Re: Linux Aftermath

[Amanda Ward]

Ah! Thank you sir!
I'll give that a try right now.

Amanda

On Jun 11, 2012, at 8:35 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

> 
> On Jun 11, 2012, at 8:24 PM, Amanda Ward wrote:
> 
>> I've tried just about everything I can think of. Have I fatally munged the 
>> Sawtooth somehow? Has anyone else run into this issue?
>> 
>> I would deeply appreciate any suggestions
> 
> Remove the PRAM battery.  Press the CUDA button a couple of times, let it sit 
> 30 minutes to overnight. Replace the battery, then press the CUDA once.
> 
> Will probably work after that.
> 
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Re: Linux Aftermath

[Cameron Kaiser]

> The Sawtooth =will= boot to a linux cd!?

This sounds like the Linux bootloader has altered some OpenFirmware
variables. Bruce's suggestion about a CUDA reset is a good one. You
can also try getting into OpenFirmware with Cmd-Opt-O-F and then
following these instructions at

http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1812

.

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Re: Linux Aftermath

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jun 11, 2012, at 8:24 PM, Amanda Ward wrote:

> I've tried just about everything I can think of. Have I fatally munged the 
> Sawtooth somehow? Has anyone else run into this issue?
> 
> I would deeply appreciate any suggestions

Remove the PRAM battery.  Press the CUDA button a couple of times, let it sit 
30 minutes to overnight. Replace the battery, then press the CUDA once.

Will probably work after that.

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Linux Aftermath

[Amanda Ward]

Hey All…

I've been experimenting with linux and thought I'd try installing it on a 
Sawtooth I had sitting around collecting dust. The machine was running just 
fine before I tried installing Ubuntu.

I got almost through the installation and the installer decided that my DVD was 
faulty. Several more fruitless attempts and I decided to reinstall OS X 10.5.

The problem… Now I can't boot the Sawtooth from =any= Mac OS media. 
OS 9.2.2 and OS X 10.0 go to a empty grey screen and nothing further happens. 
(Optical drive activity stops, as well)
OS X 10.4 and 10.5 go to the Apple on a grey screen with the spinning cog and 
nothing further happens. (The optical drive activity led stays lighted (with an 
occasional flicker).

I've let the machine churn for a couple of hours and no joy!

I've tried zapping the pram and resetting the Nvram. Trying to start in target 
disk mode ends with the machine shutting down.

The Sawtooth =will= boot to a linux cd!?

I've used three optical drives and tried three different hard drives. Next step 
is to pull my DA out of the closet and see if I can install an OS on one of the 
drives from the AGP.

I've tried just about everything I can think of. Have I fatally munged the 
Sawtooth somehow? Has anyone else run into this issue?

I would deeply appreciate any suggestions

Thanks,

Amanda 

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Re: Bringing G3 back into use

[glen]

- Original Message -
> From: AppleMac Revisited 

> 
> Specification:
> Beige G3
> Power PC G3 266MHz 1MB Cache
> 64MB/4GB HD/24x CD/MSO

> Machine has been out of use for a couple of years. Rebooted it this
> morning, screen message came up:
> 
> “Your computer crashed or was not shut down properly the last time it
> was used. Your startup disk is being checked by Disk First Aid, and
> any problems will be repaired.”
> 
> Mouse arrow appeared on screen alongside this message but arrow would
> not respond when I moved mouse control to click the proceed box. I
> remembered during regular use before that this would normally clear
> message and boot up machine.


Just a long shot. If you are using the original ADB mouse check the connection. 
I have had a similar problem when an ADB mouse connection was not fully seated 
or dirty.  --glen

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Re: Bringing G3 back into use

[Todd -]

>
> I have a USB card in my Beige G3 and use a USB mouse which doesn't work
> until the extensions have loaded for it as Valter mentioned so if I get
> that message I have to hit Return key for it to clear and continue.
>
>
>
 Todd M

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Re: Bringing G3 back into use

[Valter Prahlad]

Il giorno 11-06-2012 16:24, AppleMac Revisited ha scritto:

> Can anybody help me revive my quite old G3?
> 
> Specification:
> Beige G3
> Power PC G3 266MHz 1MB Cache
I'd be happy to help you (although I have no idea, at the moment, about your
particular issue).
I had the very same Mac years ago, and I loved it dearly. :-)

> 64MB/4GB HD/24x CD/MSO
After you solve the issue, I'd suggest you to add some more ram: 64MB is
pretty tight. 256 or, better, 512MB, and OS8 should fly.

You can use common PC Ram sticks, SDRam Dimm, PC66, PC100 or PC133 (that's
the Ram's max clock: for your G3 PC66 is advised, but I used PC133 for years
with no problem).
You can usually find them for cheap or even for free, from dismissed old PCs
(if you can roam at a local recycling/scrap area, you'll find plenty).
You could find there bigger HDs as well; easy to install and reformat as Mac
disks.

PS: What's "MSO"?

> OS 8.5
Another easy and useful update, go to MacOS 8.6.
It was more stable and complete than 8.5 (and really fast; faster than OS
9.2.2).

> Machine has been out of use for a couple of years. Rebooted it this
> morning, screen message came up:
> 
> ³Your computer crashed or was not shut down properly the last time it
> was used. Your startup disk is being checked by Disk First Aid, and
> any problems will be repaired.²
This is normal: usually, DFA does its job and then booting resumes.

> Mouse arrow appeared on screen alongside this message but arrow would
> not respond when I moved mouse control to click the proceed box. I
> remembered during regular use before that this would normally clear
> message and boot up machine.
Pressing "Enter" or "Return" on the keyboard should also "press" the
selected on-screen button (you can also try "Esc", if they do not).

Regarding the not moving mouse pointer:
- Is the mouse a regular Apple mouse, or a third-party one?
(third-party might require a loaded extension to work)
- AFAIK, this should not happen on your G3, but on some Macs a dead PRam
battery would create problems on boot. Yours is likely dead (they last
approx 5 years), so you might replace it just in case.
---> 3.6v Lithium 1/2 AA PRAM Battery, usually at around 5$.

HTH. Let us know how is going.
Valter

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Re: Leopard won't install on G5 1.8ghz dual power mac.

[Kris Tilford]

On Jun 10, 2012, at 10:28 PM, TFH wrote:


I'm rehabbing this 2004 model (Dual G5 1.8, 2GB ram, 250GB HD) which
does not have a dual layer dvd drive.


AFAIK all DVD drives can read dual-layer media. The only difference is  
whether or not they can burn or create dual-layer media. Since all  
G5's came with an optical drive that can read DVDs, the optical drive  
in your G5 should be able to read and boot any Leopard dual-layer disc.



I've installed Tiger 4.11, and
it is stable and fast. I've tried putting the Leopard dvd onto my
external HD in it's own partition, (had outside help with this) but it
won't install.


Is your external HD partitioned with the correct partition format?  
External HDs always come formatted as "Master Boot Record" with MS FAT  
file system. You'd need to repartition this HD as "Apple Partition  
Map" and "HFS+ (journaled)" file system.



I've made a disk image from this drive, and that gets
me to "Restart" in the Leopard installer, but it won't boot- just blue
screen.


If you've installed then all the files installed should be visible  
from within your 10.4.11 system. I'd try booting with the "Option" key  
to see if the newly installed System is visible to the firmware. If  
it's visible and shown as a boot option, select it, and then use the  
Cmd-v keys to get the verbose boot dialog to see why it's not booting.



Selecting the HD partition as the boot drive via firewire
results in the cooling fans redlining!


Not good. You may need to reset the PMU. . Also, make sure you have the final firmware update, it should be v. 
5.1.8f7 


Do I really have to get an external dual-layer dvd drive, and would  
this even work?


As I said, all DVD capable optical drives can normally read dual-layer  
media. Many optical drives are sometimes flakey, so perhaps a new  
drive can help. If you installed up to the "Restart" then you've  
theoretically you've already completed the installation and you're  
troubleshooting a boot issue, not an install issue.


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Re: Leopard won't install on G5 1.8ghz dual power mac.

[John Carmonne]

On Jun 10, 2012, at 8:28 PM, TFH wrote:

> I'm rehabbing this 2004 model (Dual G5 1.8, 2GB ram, 250GB HD) which
> does not have a dual layer dvd drive. I've installed Tiger 4.11, and
> it is stable and fast. I've tried putting the Leopard dvd onto my
> external HD in it's own partition, (had outside help with this) but it
> won't install. I've made a disk image from this drive, and that gets
> me to "Restart" in the Leopard installer, but it won't boot- just blue
> screen. Selecting the HD partition as the boot drive via firewire
> results in the cooling fans redlining! Do I really have to get an
> external dual-layer dvd drive, and would this even work?
> Thank you.
> 

I do this by making a boot image from an install DVD using the restore function 
in disk utility. You need a partition and when you start up use the option key 
to select the start up volume. It will boot as it was a DVD.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
MacBook Pro i7






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Leopard won't install on G5 1.8ghz dual power mac.

[TFH]

I'm rehabbing this 2004 model (Dual G5 1.8, 2GB ram, 250GB HD) which
does not have a dual layer dvd drive. I've installed Tiger 4.11, and
it is stable and fast. I've tried putting the Leopard dvd onto my
external HD in it's own partition, (had outside help with this) but it
won't install. I've made a disk image from this drive, and that gets
me to "Restart" in the Leopard installer, but it won't boot- just blue
screen. Selecting the HD partition as the boot drive via firewire
results in the cooling fans redlining! Do I really have to get an
external dual-layer dvd drive, and would this even work?
Thank you.

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Bringing G3 back into use

[AppleMac Revisited]

Can anybody help me revive my quite old G3?

Specification:
Beige G3
Power PC G3 266MHz 1MB Cache
64MB/4GB HD/24x CD/MSO

24 Nov 1998 06:53:13
Serial No. CK8480X3DZ5

OS 8.5

Machine has been out of use for a couple of years. Rebooted it this
morning, screen message came up:

“Your computer crashed or was not shut down properly the last time it
was used. Your startup disk is being checked by Disk First Aid, and
any problems will be repaired.”

Mouse arrow appeared on screen alongside this message but arrow would
not respond when I moved mouse control to click the proceed box. I
remembered during regular use before that this would normally clear
message and boot up machine.

Any advice will be appreciated.

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Re: Mailplane and Google.com kaput

[Geke]

Glad you got it working. TenFourFox is not just an escape; I think
it's the best browser, as long as you don't need Flash video (which
may not work properly anyway with a G4).

Just one thing that comes to mind: maybe there's a problem with
cookies and that's why it's limited to those few sites?
See what happens when you delete cookies in Safari and Firefox, either
all or just for the problem-sites.

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Re: Mailplane and Google.com kaput

[tina]

Den Fredag, 8/6 2012, 01:09, dan auerbach skrev:

> As I said in  my post, I was using Safari (5.0.6) and Firefox
> (3.6.28). Sea Monkey 2.0 worked to go to gmail website but very
> slowly. Any other website that I go to gives no problem in any and all
> of the above browsers. I created a new user as suggested and Safari
> still did not go to google, gmail but did work for other sites. The
> other suggestion, download TenFourFox latest version did work! I can
> navagate to gmail and search with google, this in my regular user
> file. I did a safe restart and also used DiskWarrior. No help for
> Safari or Firefox so I made TenFourFox my default browser. I think
> that it must be something with Google because 3 different apps are
> affected: Mailplane, Safari and Firefox. Thanks for the help, it is
> much appreciated. If there are any other thoughts on this...

no thoughts really, sorry

but google.com also works fine with safari on this pb g4

search, google+ and google mail all seems to function as normal, only
thing is that sometimes it seems to take like forever to load the pages
the first time

seen that on many other pages with safari - which is why I don't use it

/tina



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