Re: Hard Drive problem with G3, 266 mhz tower
> I have tried the Seagate > drive with the jumpers set to either the "single drive" setting, or the > "cable select" setting. I have not tried the Quantum drive with an > alternative jumper setting. Apple began using Cable Select cables with the B&W G3, after it had licensed hp/Compaq's patent on cable select and the hardware in the host adapter which supports it. Cable Select involves cutting certain wires in the 40-pin/80-wire ribbon cable, and the, using three different types of connectors, each of which appears to be the same, but are internally different. With a Beige, Apple was not using Cable Select, it was using 40-pin/40-wire ribbon cables, so your best option is ... on Rev 2 or Rev 3 ROM machines (this won't work on Rev 1 ROM machines) ... to set one drive to Master and the other drive to Slave. It is customary for the farthest away drive to be Master, but this is not a real requirement as "masters" and "slaves" are really "peers". On a B&W or later, simply set both drives to Cable Select. Indeed, on a B&W and later, the Zip drive may be replaced by an additional hard drive, although the Zip drive carrier is drilled for M3 retention screws in a Zip pattern, and not for #6-32 UNC retention screws in a hard drive patterd. No matter, a hard drive may be installed in the Zip drive carrier without screws, if that suits you. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Hard Drive problem with G3, 266 mhz tower
Success! On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 3:00:38 PM UTC-4, Iamanamma wrote: > > I made some progress today, I have an old copy of DiskWarrior, and when I > started up from that CD, the new Seagate hard drive mounted (with the > jumpers set to cable select). I ran DiskWarrior and then restarted from > the OS 8.6 CD. The drive mounted again. Since the drive is a little on the > large side, I partitioned it as I have seen recommended. Right now the G3 > is chugging along, installing OS 8.6 onto 7 GB partition I made in the hard > drive. Wish me luck. > > > On Monday, April 14, 2014 4:16:58 PM UTC-4, Iamanamma wrote: >> >> I am having trouble getting this old Mac to recognize hard drives. I >> took one out because I thought it was bad. Hard drive set up was not >> recognizing the hard drive on the ATA bus. I was using an OS 8.6 install >> disk to start up so I could re-format it and re-install the OS. I had a >> new ATA hard drive, so I took the old one out and replaced it. I started up >> from the CD, and the same thing happened. Nothing was visible on the ATA >> bus. I got out another install disk, 9.2 this time, and restarted from it. >> This time I used Apple System Profiler to see if anything was there, and >> sure enough it was. I re-initialized the disk (Macintosh OS Standard), >> shut down and started up from the OS 8.6 disk again. Again, no hard drive >> on the ATA bus. Why on earth would OS 9.2 recognize the drive, but not OS >> 8.6? Could this be a simple as a jumper problem? The old drive I took out >> was a Quantum Fireball, the new one I put in is a Seagate. I really need >> this unit to be running OS 8.6 and not 9. >> > -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Hard Drive problem with G3, 266 mhz tower
I made some progress today, I have an old copy of DiskWarrior, and when I started up from that CD, the new Seagate hard drive mounted (with the jumpers set to cable select). I ran DiskWarrior and then restarted from the OS 8.6 CD. The drive mounted again. Since the drive is a little on the large side, I partitioned it as I have seen recommended. Right now the G3 is chugging along, installing OS 8.6 onto 7 GB partition I made in the hard drive. Wish me luck. On Monday, April 14, 2014 4:16:58 PM UTC-4, Iamanamma wrote: > > I am having trouble getting this old Mac to recognize hard drives. I took > one out because I thought it was bad. Hard drive set up was not > recognizing the hard drive on the ATA bus. I was using an OS 8.6 install > disk to start up so I could re-format it and re-install the OS. I had a > new ATA hard drive, so I took the old one out and replaced it. I started up > from the CD, and the same thing happened. Nothing was visible on the ATA > bus. I got out another install disk, 9.2 this time, and restarted from it. > This time I used Apple System Profiler to see if anything was there, and > sure enough it was. I re-initialized the disk (Macintosh OS Standard), > shut down and started up from the OS 8.6 disk again. Again, no hard drive > on the ATA bus. Why on earth would OS 9.2 recognize the drive, but not OS > 8.6? Could this be a simple as a jumper problem? The old drive I took out > was a Quantum Fireball, the new one I put in is a Seagate. I really need > this unit to be running OS 8.6 and not 9. > -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Hard Drive problem with G3, 266 mhz tower
I am only trying to have one hard drive installed at a time, and I want to set it up as the boot drive. I am not quite sophisticated nor interested enough to figure out how to put two hard drives on my ATA bus, especially since I really want to keep that third drive bay open to take advantage of that nice SCSI cable sitting in there. I have some even OLDER Macs I need to keep running, and they all require SCSI drives. I have tried the Seagate drive with the jumpers set to either the "single drive" setting, or the "cable select" setting. I have not tried the Quantum drive with an alternative jumper setting. On Monday, April 14, 2014 10:17:53 PM UTC-4, mhfadams wrote: > > On Apr 14, 2014, at 13:16 , Iamanamma wrote: > > > I took one out because I thought it was bad. Hard drive set up was not > recognizing the hard drive on the ATA bus. I was using > an OS 8.6 install > disk to start up so I could re-format it and re-install the OS. > > You had two drives, or just one? > If two, is it the boot drive that was suspect, or the other one? > > > Why on earth would OS 9.2 recognize the drive, but not OS 8.6? > > Newer systems are always being updated to handle improved drive > technologies, so it is quite possible that 9.2 would see something that 8.6 > didn't. > The size of the drives is also important, as every OS version and machine > have their own limits. Is the Seagate larger than the Quantum? > Is the Seagate larger that 128 GB ? > > Is it the Seagate that is only being seen by OS 9.2? or the Quantum ? > > > Could this be a simple as a jumper problem? The old drive I took out > was a Quantum Fireball, the new one I put in is a Seagate. > > Yes, it could be, but if OS 9 is seeing the drive and OS 8 is not, then > that is less likely. > > If you have two drives installed, and one is set to 'master' or 'slave' > then the other drive needs to be set to the other setting. > If one drive is 'cable select' then so should the other. > > > > Manoah F. Adams > federaladamsfamily.com/developer > > -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G-Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
