Re: Oh No, I Should Switch Emailers Too! (was Re: Mail, Eudora T-bird)

[Bucky]

n an
> overnight, and as I mentioned, my CE mail is quite extensive), maybe
> Mail.app will suck it all in correctly and not "hang up" on me like it
> was doing. It seemed to be doing OK until I got to a particular mailbox
> (which has 20,000+ emails in it) at about 8 PM last night. I left it to
> run overnight when I got tired and noted it wasn't finished yet, but this
> morning when it was "finished," only 14,000-something of the emails had
> imported. :-O
>
> In the meantime, yesterday afternoon while proceeding with the Mail.app
> imports, I also discovered the disturbing fact that no, Thunderbird will
> not import from my Mail.app, and some Googling revealed the fact that
> Mail.app under Tiger has a different "mbox" structure as compared to
> pre-Tiger, and I'll have to convert the Mail.app imported email to make
> Thunderbird take it. It seemed so overwhelmingly complicated (the more I
> read, the more confused I got, and I was reading for a couple of hours
> while I proceeded with Mail.app imports) -- I decided to nix
> Thunderbird.I continued with my one-emailbox-at-a-time imports, and
> decided to read up on Mail.app in my Tiger: The Missing Manual book.
>
> Most of the stuff I'm reading about it, I find I actually like -- in
> spite of the Outlook taste it had when I first tried it, Mail.app does
> all the stuff CE does (CE was just "ahead of its time"), and most of it
> in the same or similar ways. So I think, once I get my CE mails all
> imported, I'll start using Mail.app. I'm a little bummed I won't break
> out of the Proprietary box on email, but I remind myself, I've been in
> that very same box with CE for the past 13 years anyway. And Mail.app is
> right here "for free" since it came with Tiger, and because it's newer
> than CE and Tiger-native, I won't run aground with it in the same ways
> I'm running aground with CE now. But I've seen plenty of people having
> Mail.app problems on this list over the years, and now I myself just had
> a problem with one of my most important (if not THE most important!) CE
> mailboxes not importing in full (the one I mentioned with
> 20,000-something emails), so I'm feeling apprehensive at best.
>
> So I ask you G-Listers:
>
> 1. Is Mail.app REALLY actually any good for an Email Pack Rat like me?
>
> 2. If I try to import that Big Email Box again, what can I do to make
> sure the whole thing takes?
>
> 3. Curiously, have any of you imported from Mail.app to Thunderbird with
> that conversion thing? If so, did you have an easy time with it and are
> you happy with Thunderbird?
>
> 4. Are there other open source email clients into which I can import
> directly from CE?
>
> Thank you in advance for your insight and suggestions.
>
> ~Yersinia.
>
> 
> "It's only premarital sex if you're going to get married."

Wow, that's, Wow.  I have only just hit 1500 myself.

I have been using Eudora for a long time, and I am excited about the
release of Eudora 8 (Penelope). There are betas of it available.

I have never seen claris emailer. and have never used it. Although
thunderbird doesn't import Claris directly and as a result neither
does Penelope. Eudora 6 does.  and Penelope, will of course import
older Eudora.

You can have Eudora 8 and Thunderbird installed on the same machine.
but they use the same profile. So when you import into Penelope, You
are also importing into Thunderbird.

On second thought. You might want to stay in Eudora land.  When I was
researching for this message I cam across a picture of Emailer. I
almost thought it was a much older eudora at first. With some
adjustments to the settings of Eudora 6 AND 8. you can make it feel
very similar.

Food for thought.


Bucky,
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Re: Safari 4 Public Beta available today

[Bucky]

On Feb 24, 1:42 pm, Kris Tilford  wrote:
> Safari 4 Public Beta is available today:
>
> <http://www.apple.com/safari/>
>
> It requires 10.5.6 or 10.4.11 and comes in separate versions for  
> Leopard & Tiger.
>
> My first impressions are bad. As usual, new eye candy, a fancy "Top  
> Spots" page that curves a miniature wallpaper of your most visited  
> webpages across a window, but the elimination of the Stop/Reload  
> button from the toolbar is crazy. You're stuck watching a spinning  
> thingy with no option except closing the tab. It did score 100 on  
> Acid3, but initially stalled on several tests so that the progress was  
> very uneven and REALLY slow. Upon subsequent tests it loaded almost  
> instantly, as if it were using a cache rather than rerunning the test?  
> (The cache is set to zero).

I already saw Bruce's comment on the spinning thingy. so I wont go
there.

My first question is what is the real name for that anyways? Though
"spinning thingy" works quite nicely.


I have been fairly pleased with so far. I would like to see the blue
loading bar come back, though keeping the other loading indicators the
same. Past that I like how it is setup by default. but I do think it
would be beneficial to at least have separate address bar/add
bookmarks/stop-reload buttons in addition to the default much like
what is already seen in Mail. Like the Reply/Reply All/Forward
button set for example. Performance according to my experience is
quite nice, I have it running on an intel iMac and a  500Mhz Pismo.
The extras are removed on the Pismo, but the extras are by no means
the defining factor.

   And as an extra, I have been able to get much better adoption from
the Winders users in the family from IE. Something which Firefox did
not in its default form. To quote one "Firefox is really not any
different from the Big Blue E so what's the point".  windowsSafari 4
drops the previous pseudo Aqua and uses the native UI for the
respective OS. Doesn't effect OS X users but makes windows users happy
(ier).

Top Sites needs a lot more work, there needs to be some better
controls for customization, and there needs to be a better way of
adding sites than pulling up the desired website in a separate window
and dragging the address icon into Top Sites in edit mode.  I'd of
NEVER figured that out on my own.

Bucky.

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Re: Reasonable Pricing for Selling a PowerMac G4

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On Jan 3, 2:55 am, Paul  wrote:
> I think you'll get more for the parts. For instance, the power supply
> in good used condition tends to go for about $60 on eBay, much more
> than a Sawtooth PS. This is despite my being able to get a complete
> working Gigabit or Digital Audio machine on Craigslist for not much
> more than that.

That might very well work out. I would be able to restore my machine
to the original Sawtooth, including the original video card, memory,HD
and original 400MHz. and sell the GigaE parts. Only thing missing
would be a case of course.


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Re: Reasonable Pricing for Selling a PowerMac G4

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On Jan 2, 7:19 am, insightinmind  wrote:
> I've always thought this was cruel, but have you considered "parting  
> it out"?
>
> Recently, someone gave me a Yikes! for around $20, and shipped it to  
> me for $30 via USPS (took forever). Its added value to me and maybe  
> to him, was that it was being used/recycled in a musician's  
> environment, to improve his (my) study setting. Needed new HDs, and  
> some more RAM, a good cleaning and oc'd to 450MHz.
>
> Used his own shipping materials, to include padding using egg  
> cartons: hey ... if they can protect eggs, they can protect Apples!
>
> Bill Connelly
> artsite:http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio

Yes, I hadn't wanted to do part it but I may indeed do that
particularly if I can't resolve the previously mentioned boot issue at
all.

I have used egg crate foam before (beds, storage). Packaging or
shipping would not be a problem.

Thanks,
Bucky
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Re: Reasonable Pricing for Selling a PowerMac G4

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On Jan 1, 8:22 pm, "MIKO .."  wrote:
> On Jan 1, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Bucky wrote (see reply below as required):
>
>
>
> > This is a Dual 500MHz Gigabit Ethernet motherboard(plus processor) and
> > PSU plugged into the case of a rev 1 Sawtooth case.
> > What I have installed:
> > 2GB of memory
> > nVidia Geforce4 MX with ADC and VGA and 64MB of vram.
> > Memorex 8x DVD R / RW burner.
> > Belkin 3 port (two external, one internal) USB 2.0 card.
> > 200GB Western Digital using the Open Firmware patch.
>
> > And would include:
> > 17 inch Apple Studio CRT (ADC). Works great, the acrylic stand is in
> > very good condition.  I love the screen, but obviously It can never be
> > used with a DVI to ADC adapter.
>
> > Retail Tiger DVD, no box(would have unadorned jewel case instead)-
> > This was bought when Tiger was first released.
>
> > Power button doesn't light up. The light worked for the Sawtooth
> > motherboard but not the GigaE. Buttons still work.
>
> > Trouble with the system occasionally not seeing the drive when
> > restarting. The drive is always seen from a cold boot. This may in
> > fact be the hard drive which I have had for several years.
> > Reformatting or a newer drive may fix this issue.
>
> > I have a price in my head, but I have had the PowerMac for quite a
> > while and am likely very biased.
>
> The monitor is a bit small, and also bulky for the modern world.  The  
> hard drive issue is a SERIOUS drawback.  500 MHz and not even close to  
> Intel.
>
> See very similar for $180 on eBay and it has not sold yet:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-PowerMac-Dual-500-MHz-G4-DVD-256-MB-40-GB-H...
>
> AND the rive is solid in that one so you have to subtract $40-$50 for  
> new drive.  You can only add about $30 for the RAM  at this time since  
> the rates fell dramatically on Crucial.com
>
> So $180 - $50 + $30 = $160.  At $15 for the monitor since I've seen  
> these on the street.  So $175.  People will love the Tiger DVD but  
> probably won't expect to pay extra for it, even if it's worth $130!  
> Maybe   return to the original system then offer to sell the Tiger DVD  
> with it for $40-$50?  As long as you're not using the license on any  
> other machine.

Thank you for your reply.  Suppose I could eliminate the drive issue
( I need the iMac so i can backup and reformat anyways). How would the
equation change? I do have a retail OS 9.04 CD that I could use. The
OS 9.04 CD has only been used on a 9500 which has been recently wiped.
and the Tiger DVD was used on a now dead iBook.

I definitely was biased because I was shooting the price in my head up
to around $500. So the price that I wanted/wished/hoped clashed with
what was reasonable.

I really do appreciate your help, I'm just slightly disappointed in
what I can expect to get.

Thanks,
Bucky
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Reasonable Pricing for Selling a PowerMac G4

[Bucky]

I'm going to be getting a reasonably new iMac very soon. And decided I
would want to sell my system, I have been trying to find listings on
ebay or the swaplist but I haven't found any that matched my
configuration very well. I wanted to come through here and hear from
much more experienced users their opinion of the value of my machine.

This is a Dual 500MHz Gigabit Ethernet motherboard(plus processor) and
PSU plugged into the case of a rev 1 Sawtooth case.
What I have installed:
2GB of memory
nVidia Geforce4 MX with ADC and VGA and 64MB of vram.
Memorex 8x DVD R / RW burner.
Belkin 3 port (two external, one internal) USB 2.0 card.
200GB Western Digital using the Open Firmware patch.

And would include:
17 inch Apple Studio CRT (ADC). Works great, the acrylic stand is in
very good condition.  I love the screen, but obviously It can never be
used with a DVI to ADC adapter.

Retail Tiger DVD, no box(would have unadorned jewel case instead)-
This was bought when Tiger was first released.

Known issues:
Power button doesn't light up. The light worked for the Sawtooth
motherboard but not the GigaE. Buttons still work.

Trouble with the system occasionally not seeing the drive when
restarting. The drive is always seen from a cold boot. This may in
fact be the hard drive which I have had for several years.
Reformatting or a newer drive may fix this issue.

Cosmetics:
There is some scuffing and knicks (outer edge of screen bezel) here
and there but absolutely no damage past that.

Location: middle of the North Carolina Piedmont Triad, middle of
Greensboro, Winston-Salem and High Point.

I have a price in my head, but I have had the PowerMac for quite a
while and am likely very biased.


Thank you for reading, and hope ya'll have had a very happy new year.
Bucky.
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Re: Big Hard Drives in Sawtooth and Cloning

[Bucky]

On Dec 30, 7:33 am, "JIM RAPER"  wrote:
> Hello, Y'all,
>
> I have a 450 Sawtooth AGP with 2 HDs, a 5400 60 gb and a 7200 10 gb. Memory
> is one gig. When I upgraded from OS 9.2.2, I went up to a very stable OS
> 10.2.8. I put the OS X on the 60 gb.  I upgraded to OS 10.2.8 about a year
> ago.
> Recently I noticed my HD(s) sounds a little off. Louder than normal. No
> problems yet. Also I am now down to 7.4 gb  space left. on the larger drive.
> I do some picture and sound work.
>
> I want to replace both hard drives with bigger, faster, quieter 200 GB range
> HDs. Of course I want to keep what data, settings, apps I have. I have been
> studying about cloning my present hard drive(s). But, I am not sure if I can
> put the size (200 or more) into my present machine as it is now.
>
> Can I do the bigger drives with my present OS? Do I need to go up to 10.3 or
> higher? Is cloning a good way to go?
>
> TIA.  Jim

Anything bigger than 128GB is not *exactly* supported on anything
older than the 2002 quicksilver (PowerMacs).

There are 2 routes that would give you the full size though. either
through the Hi-cap driver from intech.  or a open-firmware hack that
adds it from Firmware.

The firmware hack has the advantage of being based in the hardware's
firmware, and as such installers will see everything past the 128
mark. BUT will be lost anytime Open firmware is reset. It is also very
free.  This is probably safer, I Do not know if this works under 9.2
though as I Didn't have classic when I started using this method.

The Hi Cap driver costs money. and is an actual driver inside the OS.
This would have to be reinstalled any time you reinstall the OS. It
doesn't support OS 9. but does support 10.2 and up.


With EITHER of these methods, when formatting, do not make any
partitions that will cross the 128GB mark. Any thing before and after
is just fine as rain.  This is so that if you have problems, such as
if you have to reset firmware, or the driver somehow fails (remember,
the driver has to be installed on the OS),

You will only temporarily lose access to the partitions after the
128GB mark, Won't have any corruption issues, and can easily reinstate
the driver or patch.

I use the first method in my GigaE. I am very satisfied with my 200GB
drive.

Good luck!

Bucky



Using either of these methods
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Re: Which printer do you like?

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On Dec 24, 9:58 am, Jeff Bequette  wrote:
> As a johnny-come-lately to this discussion, I come down on the HP  
> side with caveats.  I currently run two printers, a HP Photosmart  
> 2610 5-in-1 (print/fax/scan/copy/photo and a Canon i860 which was  
> purchased first, to go along with a new digital camera in 04.  The HP  
> came home when the better half wanted some copying and fax  
> capability.  Little did we know what a journey we embarked on.  the  
> Canon is now hooked up to the airport and works flawlessly, as long  
> as it is fed.  The HP is now hooked up straight to main computer,  
> dual G5 1.8 (june '04, running 10.4.11).  What took almost 6 months  
> to discover was the inability of the 2610 to work its multiple  
> functions on a family computer set up for fast user switching.  That  
> is when it came off the Airport and was plugged in directly.  Then  
> last time I tried to scan/OCR some data in, hp wanted me to  
> deinstall, reload and reinstall the drivers-EACH & EVERY time someone  
> else used the computer.(on the 4 users who wasn't the main guy)  That  
> was about 6 months ago and I haven't seen lately if they have  
> upgraded the support/driver.  It boils down to failure of my  
> researching the product and the salesman's level of knowledge when I  
> described what I wanted to do.
>
> I realize both my printers are aged things now, but until I know  
> things will change for the better that is where I am stuck.  Enjoy  
> the quality of both and the ability to print to photo paper.
>
> Jeff Bequette
> jbeque...@tconl.com
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My parents use a PSC 1315 at their house on windows. It is indeed a
pita. They've had constant trouble with it's drivers not loading for
everybody. I've had no trouble with it when I used it on my iBook, but
then I only had one user account.

IF ... and only IF you can get the drivers installed and you only have
yourself, the PCS works very well.


However the printers I've had myself I never had any problems. My
first printer was a Deskjet 550. then up to 613C. then to 850c.

I now have a Deskjet 990cxi and a Deskjet 5650. The only real problem
that I have is the 990 leaks. Otherwise the 990 works wonders from an
airport express.  The 5650 I keep connected directly to my main
computer. I have a doublesided printing module installed, and I keep a
photo ink cartridge so that I can print off scans from my flatbed
scanner.

Obviously there can be chances that you could get an equally bad HP as
with a Canon or Epson.  I have a Stylewriter 1200 that is still
chugging along.

Really depends on the quality of the materials used to make the
printer and how well they develop the driver. As with the previous
posters  Photosmart and my parents PSC, HP's all-in-one software for
these two models is nothing to write home about.

Curious question: How does Epsons or Canons AIO software and drivers
compare to HP's?


Bucky


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Re: Best G4 Desktop

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On Dec 19, 11:25 am, Vic  wrote:
> On Dec 18, 12:25 pm, nestamicky  wrote:
>
> > And by best I mean, which of these G4 Desktop-Sawtooth, DA, etc is best
> > to get for optimum upgrade? I have a Sawtooth now, but feel as though I
> > could put some money on and upgrade a better machine in this line. So,
> > which one is best for money, upgrade, etc.
>
> > I think after the G3, the G4s-desktops-have been the best machines.
> > Seconder?
>
> I've been thrilled with the quality and longevity of both my Sawteeth
> - still in service after all these years, but Dan's comprehensive
> article yesterday suggests other upgrade 
> paths:http://lowendmac.com/musings/08mm/used-power-mac-value.html
>
> V Mabus

Ah. It really depends on what you can get your hands on.

If you're in an area that has a very wide selection of colleges (Wake
Forest, WSSU, Elon, ECU, WCU, Duke, UNC .. etc)
You can get some nice machines for not very much. I only payed maybe
$65 overall for a dual 500MHz Mystic, maxed ram, 64MB video and
various other sweet trimmings. given the price I could very well
justify an upgrade on the processor or video.

There's a couple flea markets and thrift stores that will get some of
these machines and they have no idea what to do with them. They'll
then sell it for the same price as say an old packard bell and sell
the well known(Dell, Gateway, HP) for a couple hundred.

I have not seen ANY newer stuff though, I think around 2003 the NC
school system stopped buying macs altogether.


What was the question??

Ah, best G4. I would suggest getting a Mystic motherboard and
power supply. It will fit perfectly in your sawtooth case. and then
you have the option of using any ADC monitors with the right video
card. and then you can upgrade the processor later on.

You will loose the internal Firewire port though.

I apologize for the ranting, shopping in crowded malls and too much
coffee has taken it's toll.


Proud owner of a Mystic Tooth!!   I like Sawteeth!
Bucky.
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Re: Inexpensive CPU upgrade for G4 Tower (Gigabit Ethernet)

[Bucky]

On Oct 13, 7:05 pm, Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Someone gave me a G4 tower, because it occasionally does not start up
> at all. (The next time it does that, I'll be ready with my voltmeter
> to test the power supply, since that seems to be a likely cause).
>
> Since otherwise it seems to be working pretty well, I'm thinking about
> upgrading it from its original 400 MHz CPU. However, I don't think
> it's worth spending anything close to $100, and even OWC doesn't have
> anything for anywhere near $50. They do seem to buy old processors, so
> I figure someone somewhere must be selling (for instance) old CPU's
> for cheap.
>
> Which CPU's would work, and would I need to make any modifications? If
> I understand my Mac right, it has a 100 MHz bus.

CPU manufactures will make their card specific to the machine. so you
get the CPU that is specific to the machine. No modification is
needed. just plug and play basicly. The Sawtooth and Gigabit Ethernet
both take the same CPU.

I got a Dual 500Mhz processor for  around $35. I was able to use it on
my Sawtooth and kept it when I converted my Sawtooth to a Gigabit
Ethernet(replaced motheboard and power supply).

I have had some problems with it not starting up. The cause was
actually a loose CPU. Make sure that's seated well.

Good Luck!
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Re: G3-5 posting delay issues

[Bucky]

On Sep 26, 7:25 am, Steve R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 4:08 AM -0700 9/26/08, Bucky posted:
>
> >  Interesting thing is that I don't use any of the mailing lists. I read
> >  and answer the lists directly from google groups.
>
> If you are reading the list via the web interface and seeing a delay
> in the messages being posted to the web interface, then surely that
> delay is within google itself, yes?
>
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Indeed. And doesn't appear to be part of their email system.
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Re: G3-5 posting delay issues

[Bucky]

On Sep 25, 11:59 am, Steve R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 11:38 AM -0400 9/25/08, Len Gerstel posted:
>
> >  As far as delays, the original poster is not on moderated status,
> >  therefore, the "fault" is most likely in gmail's or the original
> >  poster's servers (cox.net). Remember, gmail is still considered
> >  "beta" by Google, even though Google's definition of Beta is their
> >  own and not what most people consider the meaning to be.
>
> Folks need to expand the headers of incoming messages to see where
> the delay was. In Eudora, and perhaps other email apps as well, once
> the headers are expanded (Eudora's Blah Blah button in the upper left
> of a message opened in its own window), start reading the routing
> information from the _bottom_ upwards. With gmail delays, I have
> found 99.999% of the delays are within the google system itself
> and not out on the net relays or at the receiving ISP.
>
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Interesting thing is that I don't use any of the mailing lists. I read
and answer the lists directly from google groups.
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Re: G3-5 posting delay issues

[Bucky]

On Sep 25, 1:29 am, Kris Tilford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I sent a response tonight to the thread "Recent Finder Problem" at  
> 7:50 PM and received my own response at 11:55 PM, a 4 hour 5 minute  
> delay. In between, I sent a response to "Another RAM Question" at 9:10  
> PM & 9:39 PM and received both my replies in the exact same minute I  
> sent them. What's the deal? I've noticed if I read G3-5 on the web-
> based Google Groups site I see quite a few postings from others that  
> I've not received yet, some arriving hours later?

I noticed the same problem on Maxlist too. A message showed up on the
23rd that I answered. then only today did it update along with a reply
from tortoise on the 24th.

It's very strange.

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