MDD Dual G4 Startup woes
Dual 867 G4 MDD Machine Model: PowerMac3,6 I have a dual G4 MDD with a startup problem. It’s been “finicky” for a while, requiring holding the power button for a few seconds to start up – and not a soft touch at that; when I say “holding” I mean *holding*/*pushing* hard – so upon returning home from the long Memorial Day weekend I decided to open it up and give it a thorough cleaning of the dust and dirt and cat hair. But when I went to start it I got only a brief flicker of the power button light before…nothing. And subsequent attempts don’t even generate that much activity. Web research has pointed me all over the place: the power button itself, a CUDA reset, the PRAM battery, the power supply or the logic board. I’m no stranger to cracking open the case and tinkering, but I’d at least like to know where to start before I do. I picked up a new PRAM battery and a MDD chassis from OWC. My plan is to try the PRAM/CUDA trick first, then explore swapping the power switch itself since the one on the empty chassis seems WAY lighter to the touch than mine ever was. (I never really could understand why it took so much pressure on that switch in the first place. Perhaps that’s been the cause all along?) ANYWAY, I recall a discussion from last August or so about similar problems one of you was having, so I wonder if you can shed any light on what might work for me based on what ultimately proved to be the solution for you. Can you help? Or, as a “vintage” or “obsolete” machine (in Apple’s eyes) am I just out of luck? If worse comes to worst and it comes down to an eBay scavenger hunt and some serious DIY time, so be it. But, hopefully not. Thanks, Bill Wilson Wilson-Lewis-Wilson Design -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: The Attack of the Giant Pixels
Tom, I think this might help, as I ran into a similar display problem with my Studio Display when I finally upgraded my MDD dualie to Leopard. It's from an Apple forum some years back, I think: There is a missing extension in System/Library/Extensions/ AppleNDRV(folder). For those who have Ati Radeon 9600 PC and Mac Edition, ATI ROM Xtender is missing in Leopard causing sleep and display problems. The AppleNDVR folder contains only two extensions (AtiDriver.bundle and ATIRuntimeDriver.bundle). You need ATI ROM Xtender from Tiger to have a correct display. Just put it in the folder and restart. Perhaps your G5 has this file and your wife's doesn't? --Bill -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Troubles waking from Display Sleep on MDD G4
On Oct 18, 11:03 pm, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: I would suspect the USB device. I mentioned this because if I shut down my QS Dual 2002 under 10.5.7, having my USB/MIDI keyboard connected and turned on, and then try to Startup without the Keyboard on, I get a kernal panic. Probably due to a state change relative to USB from the previous session. Hope this may add insight into your issues. Yes, this indeed looks to be a USB state change issue. I've gone 12 days now without another incident with the display sleep, but the other day I did have an instance where the keyboard and mouse froze and it took plugging/unplugging USB devices to get them to come back. If this is what happened when the display had been sleeping before, this could well be the same problem manifesting itself. In my case, my ADC Studio Display may be another wrinkle in the mix, as I have a Radeon 9600 and an Apple DVI to ADC adapter to break out the USB, power and vid signals. The mouse is plugged into the keyboard, the keyboard is plugged into the monitor's hub, etc. And if that wasn't enough, I have an APC UPS on one of the USB ports. Living in Florida, we're prone to occasional spikes, so perhaps a recent spike which triggered the UPS momentarily screwed up the USB state? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Troubles waking from Display Sleep on MDD G4
Here's a real head-scratcher. At least for me. Out of the blue, my dual 867 MDD G4 has become impossible to wake from sleep. *Display* sleep! I've long since abandoned putting the hard drives to sleep, between previous problems with (since fixed by replacing) the power supply and fear of the PCI USB card issue, so I only sleep the displays -- in this case a 17 ADC Studio Display and a 19 Viewsonic digital flat panel, both off an ATI Radeon 9600. I typically leave the computer on overnight, and I have the display set to sleep after 45 mins. of inactivity via the Energy Saver control panel. I've never experienced any problems before, but suddenly within the past few days it's been impossible to wake it with a key press or wiggle of the (wired) Mighty Mouse. And I've had no choice but to shut it down via the APC UPS, wait a few moments, and then start it up again. I've noticed no other hiccups, anomalies, slowdowns, blackouts or other strange behavior. I'm lost. Help??? --Bill Wilson --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Troubles waking from Display Sleep on MDD G4
On Oct 18, 4:50 am, dorayme dora...@optusnet.com.au wrote: I typically leave the computer on overnight, and I have the display set to sleep after 45 mins. of inactivity Gee, that's a long time! FWIW, the screen saver (RSS Visualizer) kicks in at 15 mins.; display sleep kicks in at about 45 mins. If it matters, the G4 is networked to my wife's iMac (Tiger 10.4.11 on the G4, Leopard on the iMac). I futzed with the Energy Saver prefs on the G4, shut down the Epson printer on the iMac (shared from the G4), and killed an app or two we had open on both machines at the same time. I invoked the screen saver as normal and went to bed, and this morning it work from sleep with a touch of the mouse. It has since slept again and once more awoke without a problem by just lightly touching the mouse. Corrupted prefs, perhaps? Fussy about the USB printer being open and in the Dock of the iMac? Irritable because an app was open on both machines at the same time? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Troubles waking from Display Sleep on MDD G4
On Oct 18, 1:45 pm, Digital Bill wlwdes...@mindspring.com wrote: morning it work from sleep with a touch of the mouse. It has since Ummm... make that it AWOKE from sleep. And just to make this extra post worth it, I should point out that I mentioned the iMac on the network because, if it matters, I have Wake for Ethernet network administrator access selected in the Wake Options of Energy Saver. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Friend needs help with collection of Macs
*UPDATE 12/18/08* At 9:49 AM -0800 12/10/08, Digital Bill wrote: Afriendhas come into possession of a huge collection of machines all hooked together, mainlyMacs after the death of the owner, the father of a co-worker. He knows nothing about them and wants to see if they run and if so, if we can recover any data from them for his friend. 1. The original owner appears to have been a heavy smoker, but the 409 trick has worked wonders with the cases. My friend got the bottom off the iMac and cleaned it up, but he's hesitant about opening the top because CRTs retain voltage and he'd like to live a little longer. Though you can clearly tell that the bottom is clean and the top is not 2. Apparently at least one spider was living inside the iMac, as my friend found a weblike substance growing inside. Supposedly it took an entire can of air to blow all the crap out of the G3. 3. They have discovered at least four other candy-colored iMacs in an abandoned car on the property that has stuff growing inside it. I know Macs are tough, but are these puppies just a lost cause? (He's shown me pictures, and let's just say it's not a pretty sight.) 4. The owner's daughter has a bunch of OSX install discs. What's the best way to determine what's an OEM disc for a specific machine and what's a generic retail version usable on any machine? (Are the OEMs still gray?) Here's an example of 2 of the DVDs, one a Tiger install, the other a Leopard install... The Tiger just says Mac OS X Tiger Version 10.4Part # 2Z691-5305-A The Leopard says Mac OS X Leopard CPU Drop-in DVD Version 10.5 Part # 2Z691-6040-A and has additional verbiage This software is part of a hardware bundle - not to be sold separately... Obviously, the Leopard is OEM... but is there a database somewhere that would tell us for what machine? 5. Yeah, this is gonna be a project that keeps my friend occupied for quite some time, it appears. ;-) --Bill --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Friend needs help with collection of Macs
A friend has come into possession of a huge collection of machines all hooked together, mainly Macs after the death of the owner, the father of a co-worker. He knows nothing about them and wants to see if they run and if so, if we can recover any data from them for his friend. The machines are being removed piecemeal and he's trying to clean them up and get them running. Currently he has either an Indigo Blue or Blueberry iMac, a Power Mac G3 desktop with a Powered by Sonnet sticker on it and a G4 GigE with dual 500Mhz processors. (I haven't seen any of these machines myself, nor the others, so I'm working off his descriptions, so please bear with me.) Needless to say, most if not all of this stuff is in disarray; I don't think he even has enough power cords, mice or keyboards for these things. If he uses current day power cords, will it be safe? Secondly, what keyboards do exist need some serious cleaning up. If he plugs his aluminum Mac keyboard and mighty mouse in, will they work, or will they only work on the most recent flavor of OSX? The PM G3 has a video card in it, with DVI and VGA ports - so he can safely hook up a regular monitor to it, right? Finally, I'm concerned he may not have the original system discs for these puppies. What kind of problems might this present to him when it comes time to diagnose the hardware software and set up Admin privileges to manage the machines? And the part that scares me is, his friend did not know Macs, tried to shut them down while they were running and networked together (with apparently a ton of stuff still up and running on them), and she lost her patience and power switched them off. So... Between some pressing deadlines and the holidays and all, I probably won't get the chance to go and help him first-hand for at least another week or so. In the meantime, I promised him I'd throw this all out to the collective brain trust here to see what sticks. Needless to say, the operative word here is Help! ;-) Thanks, Bill --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Have I waited long enough to move up to Leopard?
Well, it sure looks like I stirred up a hornet's nest! Thanks to all for the input. I have the dual 867 G4 MDD maxed out at 2GB RAM and added a Radeon 9600 Pro some time back which greatly improved video performance. And I keep an eye on internal and external HD performance, so I guess I've done all I can do if I decide to give Leopard a whirl at some point. It's certainly not a priority at the moment -- never a good idea to do ANY major upgrades when on deadline -- but at least the cloned main drive (thanks to SuperDuper!) is insurance if I take it for a test drive and then decide to revert back to the tried-and-true Tiger intall. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Have I waited long enough to move up to Leopard?
The subject line pretty much says it all. I've never been an early adopter, and I've held off going beyond Tiger 10.4.11 on my MDD Dual (2x867) G4 until now mainly because it's been stable and I (mistakenly) thought I wanted to hold onto Classic. The G4 dual-boots, so any need for OS9 -- which is minimal these days -- can be met by booting directly into it. Or by accessing it on the Panther machine I have: a Power Computing clone with G4 card running XPostFacto. I routinely share files between the two machines, as well as my wife's new iMac, which runs Leopard. And I like a lot of what I've seen in Leopard, especially the simplicity of Time Machine, to say nothing of several apps and utilities I regularly use being upgraded to Leopard- only status, Plus the allure of being as up-to-date as possible, especially given that the current Leopard will probably be the last version of OSX that will run on my PPC machine. So, given all that setup, have I waited long enough? Is Leopard stable enough and reliable enough and speedy enough for my MDD Dual G4? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
