MacMini G4 Cannot get out of SAFE mode
My MacMini suddenly started to boot only into SAFE mode. 1) Computer: Mac Mini - Processor: 1.33 Ghz (PowerPC G4) 2) Operating System: OS X 10.5.8 3) Memory: 1GB DDR SDRAM 4) 3rd party Peripherals have been working fine for over a year: Logitech Optical Mouse, MyBook 1 Terabyte. HP Officejet Pro L7680 working find since July 2009, 5) Recently I added a USB sound card for audio and video to plug in mike and headphones which I used once to try out Skype. It worked but I haven't used it since. 6) 26.8 GB available on Boot Drive. 7) no screenshots applicable 8) The only thing I've tried is rebooting several times, unplugged the usb sound card. 9) The only change was the plugging in of the usb sound card to try out Skype, which worked. It was shortly after this (probably the next day) that I noticed that there was no sound which was about the same time I noticed that the system booted into SAFE mode. About a month ago - well before the sound stopped and SAFE mode booting started (which was about three days ago), I lost internet access and couldn't get it back until I unplugged the router and have been online since using only my modem. I know Mac is not vulnerable to viruses however I've been concerned about some odd activity. Frequently I return to the computer and it appears as though specific functions have occurred in my absence as though there's been an attempt to access resources. For example: Windows are open that weren't open when I left. (This is particularly worrisome because the security kicks in after 15 minutes of inactivity and requires the password to permit use. How could these windows be opened while access was blocked?) Or while away from the computer I hear a sound which normally only happens if I press enter before typing in my password. This indicates to me that something (or someone) has gained access to my computer because I'm not using the router. The problem with the router was very wierd because it was from one minute to the next. Everything was working fine and then suddenly I had no access and could no longer get access using the router. MORE BACKGROUND INFORMATION I'm wondering if it could be something from my ISP (Bell Internet - formerly called Sympatico) causing this. Internet access has been interrupted by faulty Bell Telephone hardware in the basement of the apt building several times over the past couple of years. Once I was told it was because I didn't have high speed internet (I had medium speed which was less expensive), so I upgraded to the more expensive package - and haven't noticed a big difference in spite of the higher cost, and in that case as in every other situation so far, the cause of the access interruption had nothing to do with the speed but was caused by faulty Bell hardware external to my apartment. On the next occasion I was told it was because my (old D-link) router was defective, however, that turned out to be incorrect, because after purchasing and installing a new D-link router the problem remained and was only fixed when a Bell technician found the actual problem in the basement in their equipment. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HELP!!! Beige PowerMac G3
Thanks for all that information. Now I know that it was just as well I didn't get the keyboard plugged in yet. If I'd gone through all that I would have definitely given up by now and junked it. All the Configuration frustrations I went through with PCs and Microsoft baloney burnt out that part of me that used to be capable of enduring megahours of configuration hell. Just can't do that anymore. You've given me some food for thought. On Oct 25, 7:27 am, Kris Tilford wrote: > On Oct 25, 2009, at 4:29 AM, Joss wrote: > > > Please HELP!!! > > The Beige PowerMac G3 is still useable, but probably a little too slow > and too expensive to upgrade to make the effort worthwhile. It's one > of the toughest, with a lot of small quirks related to power supply, > voltage regulator, personality cards, video, ROMs, motherboard > revisions, and all combinations thereof. > > Then, on top of this, there is the 1st 8GB partition limitation; the > need to use XPostFacto to advance the OS beyond 10.2.8 to a more > useable 10.4.11 or even 10.5.8; the cost of an upgraded CPU, video > card, HD, and RAM to make this fast enough to a least play video > smoothly. > > All in all, it's a great "project" Mac, but not a great "everyday" > Mac. Any AGP PowerMac G4 will run circles around this old Mac. The > cost of upgrading this will give you an expensive and slow Mac in > comparison the what you might get in a newer model for the same money. > I'm not sure where the "sweet spot" is right now for power & speed vs. > cost, but I suspect it may be up at the MDD (mirror drive door) G4 or > even the Mini G4 or early G5? The other sweet spot is the Intel > hackintosh Mac made from cheap PC components. > > I'd think a Beige would need a pretty good size HD, at least 512MB > RAM, a Radeon PCI card, and some other various hardware upgrades (USB > 2, Firewire, CPU upgrade?) to work passably well. > > Your big problem is the keyboard. You MUST have an ADB keyboard to use > this Mac because USB initializes too late for any keyboard commands to > work, so this means as a USB keyboard only setup you'd have NO startup > keyboard commands available, which means pretty much a disaster. ABD > keyboards should be cheap or free, GET ONE before doing anything or > else you'll be stuck in a terrible bind. If you have 256MB you may be > able to proceed with installing OS X, but like all OS X, more RAM is > better, more HD space is better, faster video card and CPU is better. > If you don't have these things, they cost money, and I think this > money is better spent on a newer used Mac at this point in time. > > Good luck! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: WAS; HELP!!! Beige PowerMac G3 now: "freecycle"
This is very interesting to learn about. I'll definitely check it out. On Oct 25, 10:09 am, "Wallace Adrian D'Alessio" wrote: > There is nothing wrong with the LEM swap list. In fact I think it is a great > resource and has served most of us well. > > Many of us also know about Goodwill stores and the opportunities there to > help your communities by buying there or donating items. And many times old > Macs can be found there for a song. > > But how many of you know of the Yahoo group " Freecycle" ? In fact here > locally, a box containing an old Mac was given away there. 3 years ago I was > given a huge Quadra server in working order from another freecycler. It was > then passed on to a local collector who has his own Mac Museum. That > magnificent beast would have otherwise been landfill ( quite as solid and > load bearing as concrete rubble too !) but it has a proud home today because > of freecycle. > > Freecycle is easy to find in Yahoo groups. You join a local group in your > own area. Although adjacent areas may be joined also. But the group I am in > covers a bigger metropolitan area so in posts I must narrow down the search > as I don't normally want to travel 50 miles unless the item is really > needed. > > Other peripherals are found on freecycle also which keeps them from the > trash too. Rules state that givers assure that the item is worth being > picked up. and that it is in working OR REPAIRABLE condition. Wifi " G " > cards are frequently seen there as well as printers and CRT monitors. > > Just a suggestion. > > Adrian --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: HELP!!! Beige PowerMac G3
Sorry I'm not sure if I replied to you correctly. It is not 2.33 - It's 1.33 and that's the Mini. The G3 is a different computer. My post was extremely long and probably confusing. I got the G3 years ago and have never had it running and I got a Mac Mini 1.33 last January and am very happy with it. My problem is that the G3 takes up quite a bit of space and I've been thinking of junking it but something in me keeps wondering if there might be something worthwhile I can do with it. And I still am curious to see if I can actually get it running. The people I got it from told me there was all sorts of great software on it but I can't remember what they said. For instance there might be something on it I can use for editing our old home movies. Just because it isn't up to 2009 Mac standards doesn't mean it's worthless and if there is ultra sophisticated and expensive (back then) software on it I might be able to get some good use out of it using software I can't afford for my newer Mac which is great for surfing and music and all the newer internet stuff the G3 probably won't be good for. On Oct 25, 10:26 pm, Richard Gerome wrote: > Keep it and get it going!!! I would take an old Apple over a brand new PC > running any Windows OS... Am I reading this right? It's 2.33ghz processer??? > Or is this the ram (mb)??? What does it stand for??? I don't know anything > about the Mini??? What version of OS10 is it running??? In today's world > Tiger would be the way to go, but you could get by with Panther or Jaguar > with the right web browser and maxing out the memory!!! CoolKat > > -Original Message- > >From: Joss > >Sent: Oct 25, 2009 5:29 AM > >To: G-Group > >Subject: HELP!!! Beige PowerMac G3 > > >I've had this PowerMac G3 for several years unused because first I > >couldn't plug in the monitor and it was very difficult to find an > >adapter. Finally I succeeded and then discovered that the keyboard I > >had needed USB and the PowerMac had none, so I eventually got a card > >(which I still haven't installed). The unit has been basically stored > >through all these years because I was very busy working insane hours - > >and had being driven crazy by the nightmare of dealing with microsoft > >viruses on my pc - until I'd reconfigured it so many times that stress > >erased the part of my brain that permits me the choice of doing > >another microsoft reconfiguration. What a relief! Then I converted > >to LInux Ubuntu which helped tremendously to reduce the trauma of 24 > >years of coping with microsoft software... (after buying and playing > >with the first Sinclair, my first true computer world love affair was > >the Atari 1040 and then I switched to the Mac 512 etc but my business > >involvements required me to work in the PC environment which removed > >me from the human race for quite awhile - I became a robot manipulated > >by the machinations and mind control of microsoft. I'm ashamed and > >penitent but I admit it . I am a fugitive from the microsoft robot > >gang. (Movie soon to be released ...) > > >Anyway in 2004 this orphaned G3 psychically reached into my heart (at > >a garage sale) and reset my robot heart into a human one which been in > >a "pining for Macintosh" coma since 1982. The paradigm shifting earth > >shattering experience that broke the hopelessness spell which had > >bound my spirit to the lord of the microsoft underworld which had > >instigated this miraculous turnaround was the sudden explosion of > >neurons in my brain by its invasion by the lightning bolt sentence "it > >still works perfectly and is running OS10 server and also functions > >well as a desktop" and "the only reason we are parting with it is > >because we have upgraded to a newer model". I was in apple-mac love > >again. And so even though I couldn't plug it in and really get it > >running etc etc it kept the dream of reentering the World According > >To Apple alive in my abused psyche for another 5 years. Scene Change > >to the year 2009... my son got me a Mac Mini 2.33 and my life began > >again - 10 months ago. "It was 7pm on a Sunday and outside my window > >delicate snowflakes gently floated and swirled magically with the odd > >gust of wind when... " Well, you get the gist of it (it's all iln > >the movie) > > >Reborn into the reNEWed Age of Mac with the arrival of my new (OLD > >mini Mac) my life has taken on new meaning and direction... > > >I was too embarassed at having had this brick taking up space and > >gathering dust for fi
Re: HELP!!! Beige PowerMac G3
It's interesting you say that about OS X because I can remember when I first got the (still unused G3) diehard Mac users who had done everything anyone can imagine with their G3 running OS9 absolutely did not want anything to do with OS10 and I actually thought I'd be much better off with OS9 thant OSX. Anyway that was many moons ago and it is another eon now in computer lifetimes. I can relate to those who want to drag MS with them - for two reasons. Word and Excel. The sophistication of MS Office - doesn't seem to have any true peer yet - at least not that I've found. Microsoft Office for Mac seemed (mind you I was only using it rarely back then on the Mac) to be the same as the version for PC back in the 90s but now it seems like each new incarnation of the MS Office version for Mac - seems to get worse rather than better. Of course I still am having a lot of difficulty getting used to Vista. But generally I can do a much better and faster job of formatting with Excel and Word than with Excel and Word on Mac and the Mac office versions (Pages and Numbers) are OK but nowhere near as easy to use as Excel and Word on PC. I'm using them but I'm finding them kind of "sticky" like OpenOffice which I used for awhile after I stopped using Microsoft on my home PC because of losing all my time with virus recovery sessions. Actually using Excel and Word for Mac I started to wonder if these versions actually are really Open Office. Almost as though MS is deliberately creating inferior versions of Excel and Word for their Mac versions. I haven't tried Powerpoint or Access for Mac - but I wonder. Fact is that if I get any contracts for clients needing work done in any of the MS software I'll have to revert to PC for those contracts because doing it on Mac is too slow because of the factors I mentioned above. It's too bad but it's what it is. Maybe there's something I just haven't figured out about Mac software - maybe I'm just "missing" something. I'm have very sophisticated formatting skills on PC and can do things that most people wouldn't even dream of trying - because of my path which started with the wordprocessors of the 70s and 80s - learned how to control the appearance of a page practically at the pixel level and those skills kept me focused differently on formatting than most people. I can't do on Mac what I can do on PC as a result. Which bothers me because generallly I prefer Mac on almost every level. I wish I could find a way to change that. On Oct 25, 9:51 am, "Wallace Adrian D'Alessio" wrote: > On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Joss wrote: > > > I've had this PowerMac G3 for several years unused because first I > > couldn't plug in the monitor and it was very difficult to find an > > adapter. Finally I succeeded and then discovered that the keyboard I > > had needed USB and the PowerMac had none, so I eventually got a card > > (which I still haven't installed). The unit has been basically stored > > through all these years because I was very busy working insane hours - > > and had being driven crazy by the nightmare of dealing with microsoft > > viruses on my pc - until I'd reconfigured it so many times that stress > > erased the part of my brain that permits me the choice of doing > > another microsoft reconfiguration. What a relief! Then I converted > > to LInux Ubuntu which helped tremendously to reduce the trauma of 24 > > years of coping with microsoft software... (after buying and playing > > with the first Sinclair, my first true computer world love affair was > > the Atari 1040 and then I switched to the Mac 512 etc but my business > > involvements required me to work in the PC environment which removed > > me from the human race for quite awhile - I became a robot manipulated > > by the machinations and mind control of microsoft. I'm ashamed and > > penitent but I admit it . I am a fugitive from the microsoft robot > > gang. (Movie soon to be released ...) > > > Wow, it has been a long time since I heard of one of those conversions. > > Mostly I heard them with users who started on Amigas. I suggest you troll > your local Goodwill or Yahoo freecycle group or the swap list here on LEM. > Look for a Mac ADB keyboard and mouse. These come in handy for setup and > when or if the USB goes down. > (explanation of ADB at;http://guides.macrumors.com/ADB) > > Setting up the USB should be a no brainer. More or less plug and play. > > Anyway in 2004 this orphaned G3 psychically reached into my heart (at > > > a garage sale) and reset my robot heart into a human one which been in > > a "pining for Macintosh" coma since 1982. The paradigm shifti
Re: HELP!!! Beige PowerMac G3
No No - I don't actually know what's in the G3 box because I still haven't had it running - which is why I decided to ask questions here. I finally got going on Mac last January with a 1.33 Mac Mini which freed me from the misery of Microsoft Virus Land. The G3 would be whatever the normal configuration was. My Mini is running OSX version 10.5.8 with 1GB DDR and sorry I made a mistake - it isn't 2.33 it's 1.33. Hardware Overview: Model Name: Mac mini Model Identifier: PowerMac10,2 Processor Name: PowerPC G4 (1.5) Processor Speed: 1.33 GHz Number Of CPUs: 1 L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB Memory: 1 GB Bus Speed:167 MHz Boot ROM Version: 4.9.4f1 Serial Number (system): YM5461GUTA8 Hardware UUID:--1000-8 On Oct 25, 10:26 pm, Richard Gerome wrote: > Keep it and get it going!!! I would take an old Apple over a brand new PC > running any Windows OS... Am I reading this right? It's 2.33ghz processer??? > Or is this the ram (mb)??? What does it stand for??? I don't know anything > about the Mini??? What version of OS10 is it running??? In today's world > Tiger would be the way to go, but you could get by with Panther or Jaguar > with the right web browser and maxing out the memory!!! CoolKat > > -Original Message- > >From: Joss > >Sent: Oct 25, 2009 5:29 AM > >To: G-Group > >Subject: HELP!!! Beige PowerMac G3 > > >I've had this PowerMac G3 for several years unused because first I > >couldn't plug in the monitor and it was very difficult to find an > >adapter. Finally I succeeded and then discovered that the keyboard I > >had needed USB and the PowerMac had none, so I eventually got a card > >(which I still haven't installed). The unit has been basically stored > >through all these years because I was very busy working insane hours - > >and had being driven crazy by the nightmare of dealing with microsoft > >viruses on my pc - until I'd reconfigured it so many times that stress > >erased the part of my brain that permits me the choice of doing > >another microsoft reconfiguration. What a relief! Then I converted > >to LInux Ubuntu which helped tremendously to reduce the trauma of 24 > >years of coping with microsoft software... (after buying and playing > >with the first Sinclair, my first true computer world love affair was > >the Atari 1040 and then I switched to the Mac 512 etc but my business > >involvements required me to work in the PC environment which removed > >me from the human race for quite awhile - I became a robot manipulated > >by the machinations and mind control of microsoft. I'm ashamed and > >penitent but I admit it . I am a fugitive from the microsoft robot > >gang. (Movie soon to be released ...) > > >Anyway in 2004 this orphaned G3 psychically reached into my heart (at > >a garage sale) and reset my robot heart into a human one which been in > >a "pining for Macintosh" coma since 1982. The paradigm shifting earth > >shattering experience that broke the hopelessness spell which had > >bound my spirit to the lord of the microsoft underworld which had > >instigated this miraculous turnaround was the sudden explosion of > >neurons in my brain by its invasion by the lightning bolt sentence "it > >still works perfectly and is running OS10 server and also functions > >well as a desktop" and "the only reason we are parting with it is > >because we have upgraded to a newer model". I was in apple-mac love > >again. And so even though I couldn't plug it in and really get it > >running etc etc it kept the dream of reentering the World According > >To Apple alive in my abused psyche for another 5 years. Scene Change > >to the year 2009... my son got me a Mac Mini 2.33 and my life began > >again - 10 months ago. "It was 7pm on a Sunday and outside my window > >delicate snowflakes gently floated and swirled magically with the odd > >gust of wind when... " Well, you get the gist of it (it's all iln > >the movie) > > >Reborn into the reNEWed Age of Mac with the arrival of my new (OLD > >mini Mac) my life has taken on new meaning and direction... > > >I was too embarassed at having had this brick taking up space and > >gathering dust for five years to be able to just say: > > >I'm trying to figure out if I should plug in the USB card and see if I > >can actually get this giant computer running. Can anyone tell me if > >there's anything worthwhile that can still be done with a G3 PowerMac > >that warrants my exerting any more brain c
HELP!!! Beige PowerMac G3
I've had this PowerMac G3 for several years unused because first I couldn't plug in the monitor and it was very difficult to find an adapter. Finally I succeeded and then discovered that the keyboard I had needed USB and the PowerMac had none, so I eventually got a card (which I still haven't installed). The unit has been basically stored through all these years because I was very busy working insane hours - and had being driven crazy by the nightmare of dealing with microsoft viruses on my pc - until I'd reconfigured it so many times that stress erased the part of my brain that permits me the choice of doing another microsoft reconfiguration. What a relief! Then I converted to LInux Ubuntu which helped tremendously to reduce the trauma of 24 years of coping with microsoft software... (after buying and playing with the first Sinclair, my first true computer world love affair was the Atari 1040 and then I switched to the Mac 512 etc but my business involvements required me to work in the PC environment which removed me from the human race for quite awhile - I became a robot manipulated by the machinations and mind control of microsoft. I'm ashamed and penitent but I admit it . I am a fugitive from the microsoft robot gang. (Movie soon to be released ...) Anyway in 2004 this orphaned G3 psychically reached into my heart (at a garage sale) and reset my robot heart into a human one which been in a "pining for Macintosh" coma since 1982. The paradigm shifting earth shattering experience that broke the hopelessness spell which had bound my spirit to the lord of the microsoft underworld which had instigated this miraculous turnaround was the sudden explosion of neurons in my brain by its invasion by the lightning bolt sentence "it still works perfectly and is running OS10 server and also functions well as a desktop" and "the only reason we are parting with it is because we have upgraded to a newer model". I was in apple-mac love again. And so even though I couldn't plug it in and really get it running etc etc it kept the dream of reentering the World According To Apple alive in my abused psyche for another 5 years. Scene Change to the year 2009... my son got me a Mac Mini 2.33 and my life began again - 10 months ago. "It was 7pm on a Sunday and outside my window delicate snowflakes gently floated and swirled magically with the odd gust of wind when... " Well, you get the gist of it (it's all iln the movie) Reborn into the reNEWed Age of Mac with the arrival of my new (OLD mini Mac) my life has taken on new meaning and direction... I was too embarassed at having had this brick taking up space and gathering dust for five years to be able to just say: I'm trying to figure out if I should plug in the USB card and see if I can actually get this giant computer running. Can anyone tell me if there's anything worthwhile that can still be done with a G3 PowerMac that warrants my exerting any more brain cells and physical work to see if this machine actually runs, or whether I should just junk it. I'd really appreciate some clear understanding because each time I'm just about ready to let this dinosaur pass on to its well deserved reward... I hear "something"... that makes me think that maybe I can still do something with it. Please HELP!!! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
