Re: Mac Pro Testing Suggestions

[Richard Gerome]

 If you do get a new OS weather it be Snow Leopard or better do a total 
clean of the HD by erasing it first and if it takes the new OS without a 
problem you should be good to go!!! Also I would max out the memory too. I 
think this computer is maxed at 4G??? Not sure if it will take more??? 



-Original Message-
From: Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net
Sent: Jan 10, 2013 12:58 AM
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Subject: Re: Mac Pro Testing Suggestions

On Jan 9, 2013, at 11:19 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:

 I am also getting a copy of Snow Leopard

Skip straight to Mountain Lion.

 Basically want to know everything is working correctly.


First rule: if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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Re: Throwing in the Towel

[Richard Gerome]

  I bought that 9800 for a friend's G4 466mhz Tower and never used it because I couldn't flash the rom... I maxed the ram, put in a 250G 7200rpm HD (only reads 128G) and a new DVD super drive and installed Tiger. They had this 23" monitor for it and I just left the orig video card in it. I had to boot it up 3 or 4 times till the res was all the way up to it's max..? This was about 2 yrs ago and it's still working pretty good with no problems... So this left me wondering why so many put this 9800 in them??? Maybe someone here can tell me why they even use this 9800 card? When I go back to NC to visit them I'm going to download Leopard on it for them...-Original Message-
From: Michael McMurtrey <skyking...@verizon.net>
Sent: Dec 14, 2012 9:10 AM
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Subject: Re: Throwing in the Towel

On Dec 14, 2012, at 5:49 AM, Richard Gerome wrote: I will hang on to the card and see if it works if I ever get a G5.There is a version of the 9800 that works on a G4, but they are  expensive and hard to find; I know because I have been looking for one  myself without success. The one card I did find (on ebay) had a  problem (hot, ozone smell and only 128 MB available of the 256 MB  alleged) and was returned to the seller. That's why I finally settled  on a 9600.A later version of the 9800 worked only of G5s (or so I've been told)  and I'll bet that is the one you have.Michael McMurtreyCarrollton, TX-- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs.The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtmlTo post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.comFor more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list

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Re: Throwing in the towel (was Re: MDD G4 odd start/restart behavior)

[Richard Gerome]

  I don't know if anyone talked about this or not? Is this a PC 9800? If it is it needs to have the rom flashed besides taping 3 and 11 pins...-Original Message-
From: frrob 
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Subject: Throwing in the towel (was Re: MDD G4 odd start/restart behavior)

Hello again!Well, I have given up on the 9800. I spent several hours again yesterday trying unsuccessfully to get the MDD to boot "normally". I finally removed *every* hard drive except the boot drive (OWC 115 GB SSD), and every PCI card. No joy. I replaced the PRAM battery - that didn't help either. I even remove the tape from pins 3  11. No help there either.In fact, I could only get the machine to boot without the flashing molex warning once. Out of some 20 attempts to start the machine, on all but one attempt, regardless of what I did, I got the flashing molex warning. I tested continuity on all the molex splitter leads, and all were OK. So, I'm guessing that there may be a defect in the card. Perhaps a cracked trace, or something. I will hang on to the card and see if it works if I ever get a G5. But for now I am back to the 9000. I've purchased a 9600 XT on eBay. Perhaps I will have better luck with that. Thanks again for all your suggestions. Rob J. On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:16:52 AM UTC-5, Alex Sciortino wrote: I may be wrong, but my old 9600 would work with a G4. The 9600 is from a  G5. The card is 8x but the Mac is 4x.-- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs.The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtmlTo post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.comFor more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list

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Re: MDD G4 odd start/restart behavior - new video card

[Richard Gerome]

  From my knowledge on the PC cards you need to tape the #3 and #11 pin and the rom needs to flashed for it to work... I plug one in on an old G4 and it didn't boot up at all... Now I never heard or knew of a MAC 9800??? If that is what it is does this card have a fan on it? Maybe if it does it might not be spinning or the heat sink fins are packed with dust and dirt? This was the problem with my wife's PC and I ended up putting that 9800 card in her computer with a new fan and that problem simular to what you are having went away!!! I don't know if anyone else may have posted about this because I only read a few of the posts here???  -Original Message-
From: frrob 
Sent: Dec 7, 2012 4:34 PM
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Subject: MDD G4 odd start/restart behavior - new video card

Hello!I have a MDD G4, 1.25 GHz DP, 10.5.8. Last night I installed a Radeon 9800 Pro 128M AGP (DVI) card, replacing the stock Radeon 9000 68M (ADC). My main motivation for doing this was to have a 128M card, so as to run a larger monitor at full resolution. I didn't really look for the 9800 Pro, but I found it at a good price, and the info I found indicated that it would work in the MDD. One salient point if you're not familiar with the 9800 pro - apparently the AGP bus doesn't provide enough power for it, so it requires a secondary power connection from a molex connector, using a splitter from one of the hard drive power connectors.In fact, the card does work, more or less. I get great display at 1920 x 1080. But there are two problems. If I shut down the machine and then try to power it back on, one of two things happens: (1) it won't power on at all. I press the power button, and literally nothing happens. (2) It will power up and give me the boot chime, but then show in the center of the screen a small picture/icon of the Radeon card, with a little ATI logo in the corner, and in the upper right corner of the graphic a flashing red molex connector and its wires, signifying that it's not getting power from the molex. Of course, it was working and getting said power before I shut it down, so something changed on shutdown, it would seem. The "solution" I have found to this problem is (if it powered on and gave me the flashing molex icon) is to manually power it down with the power button, and (if it didn't power up at all just do this) unplug the machine for 30 seconds to a minute, then plug it back in. Then it will start up normally. Furthermore, if I try to restart, I invariably get the flashing molex graphic. I then have to manually shut down, unplug, replug, and power on. The machine seems to sleep OK. I can put it to sleep and wake it, seemingly regardless of how long it has been asleep, with no problem. When this first happened, I thought perhaps a cable or something was physically pressing the motherboard reset button (it is pretty cramped in there). But no, the button is clear. I never had these problems with the stock Radeon 9000 ADC card.So, what is going on? Something seems to be messing with the card's ability to get power. Is something interfering somehow with the machine's power management? I'd like to use the 9800, but if I can't properly start up and restart, that's a pretty big PITA. Is the 9800 just too much card for the MDD? Is there some solution to this problem that will allow me to use the 9800? Or should I stick with the 9000 or another ADC card? Thanks!Rob J.-- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs.The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtmlTo post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.comFor more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list

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Re: PowerMac G4 Quicksilver

[Richard Gerome]

  If you have another G4 Tower try swapping everything (you swapped the video card, maybe try the hard drive next?) one at a time till it boots up then you will know what's wrong?-Original Message-
From: Buzzby 
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Subject: PowerMac G4 Quicksilver

I have a PowerMac G4 Quicksilver that I had sitting for about a year or two.  I went to see if it still works but it turns on but that is all.Do you have any suggestions on what I should check for as to why it won't work?  As far as I remember it did work before.-- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs.The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtmlTo post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.comFor more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list

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Re: PowerMac G4 Quicksilver

[Richard Gerome]

  The pram battery inside is might dead? Take out all the memory, PCI cards and anything else that you can pull out and clean them off (the pins especially) and reseat them carefully? Boot up while holding down the: ctrl/command (key with the apple on it)/ "P" and "R" This will reset the pram.  If I missed anything else, I hope others can add their input too because I'm sure there is more to check? I really don't think it major if it was running before you let it sit? It could have been somewhere where there was maybe a lot of humidity, dust or dirt? -Original Message-
From: Buzzby 
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Subject: PowerMac G4 Quicksilver

I have a PowerMac G4 Quicksilver that I had sitting for about a year or two.  I went to see if it still works but it turns on but that is all.Do you have any suggestions on what I should check for as to why it won't work?  As far as I remember it did work before.-- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs.The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtmlTo post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.comFor more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list

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Re: Has this ever happened to you?

[Richard Gerome]

 There is probably only 2 things that could have caused this: 1st the CD 
broke going in when the thing comes down to grab the disc by the hole because 
of a miss alignment or 2nd It spun up to over 10,000rpm maybe it was 20,000 
(Just like Clark said about Myth Busters figured out how much rpm would cause 
it to explode)...  Now what I think happened was the first thing? Once they 
crack it will weaken them and the spinning of the drive would cause them to 
explode..?  




-Original Message-
From: smac0031 m.smurph...@gmail.com
Sent: Aug 27, 2012 10:29 PM
To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Has this ever happened to you?

I was playing my favorite game, Master of Orion II. Then I quit the
game and ejected the CD and noticed there was a crack in the inner
ring. So I decided it might be a good time to make a backup copy of
this CD, if it were possible. I tried Disk Utility first and thought
it might be better to use Toast 9.0. I started running the program and
suddenly the plastic CD button goober shot out of the mirror door. I
got a cryptic disc has read errors message. I tried ejecting the
disc both using eject button on the keyboard and the eject button on
the front of the drive, which by the way is a Samsung from other
world.

None of this worked. The drive wouldn't open. I tried a paper clip and
that wouldn't work. I tried rebooting the machine and that didn't
help. I gave up and shut the machine down and pried the drive open.

The CD was in chunks. It literally exploded in the the drive. I have
probably 40% of it out of the drive in six pieces.

I've never heard of this happening. I loved that game. This sucks.

Now I don't have any excuses to switch over to my G5, no even lame
ones.

Mark Murphy

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Re: g3 ibook cd drive ejects

[Richard Gerome]

  If it is a slot loader and not a tray then yes these were a problem on yours I'm sure. I have a G4 Titanium PowerBook that had the same issue so I replaced it with a super drive and now I can burn anything up to a Dual Layer DVD. If you are not doing any kind of burning you can pick one up fairly cheap. I paid around $56 w/shipping on ebay for mine around 2 yrs ago.-Original Message-
From: rumble 
Sent: Aug 2, 2012 10:55 AM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: g3 ibook cd drive ejects

someone gave me a g6 600mhz ibook recently and i was going to try to spruce it up, but every time i put a cd in the drive it pops it back out.was this a common or easy problem to fix or is the drive just hosed?thanks



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Re: EIDE Interface Speed in Clamshell G3s?

[Richard Gerome]

 I put a 7200rpm HD in my 466mhz Clamshell and maxed the memory with a 
512mb which made it 576mb and it was a major improvement, it runs Tiger pretty 
good!!! I would go for the Solid State if I were you because I heard it runs 
faster then the 7200rpm?   The HD is pretty much the last thing to get to when 
taking it apart, get a repair manual for it before you do it, you can download 
one for free online just do a search for it. There are a few tricks you need to 
know when taking it apart or you could crack some parts trying without it, 
there is also a special tool you need to get for it too it's made of plastic... 




-Original Message-
From: Koralatov li...@koralatov.com
Sent: Jul 22, 2012 7:35 AM
To: GX-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: EIDE Interface Speed in Clamshell G3s?

I'm finally thinking about reviving my dead Key Lime iBook, which suffered
a hard-disk failure some time ago.  Since it'll mostly be used for mucking
around in Terminal, disk capacity isn't particularly important, but speed
is -- I've become used to a C2D MBP, so I want to give it as much nip as
possible.

I've been looking into relatively cheap PATA/IDE SSDs on eBay, but
I'm not sure whether they'll be faster than a regular spinning disk.

I'm quite interested in this one: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190705077160.

The specs are:

 Performance
  Capacity(GB)  16 GB (4C)
  Sustained Read88 MB/S
  Sustained Write   35 MB/S

How does that stack up to a spinning disk over the iBook's EIDE interface?
I've done some googling but can't seem to get a firm answer.

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Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2 - WAS::::: Re: Updates for Mac OS X?

[Richard Gerome]

 Because the 2 subjects were kind of related, the 2nd one was an answer to 
the first... I understood every one of them without any problems... 





-Original Message-
From: Charles Lenington macso...@brightok.net
Sent: Jul 19, 2012 11:56 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2 - WAS: Re: Updates for Mac OS X?

I'm confused!  Why did you reply to a completely different topic, 
changing subject






On 7/19/12 1:13 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote:
 --  Original message  --
 Subject: Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2 - WAS: Re: Updates for Mac OS X?
 Date:Friday, 13. July 2012
 From:Jerryapple.mail.lis...@oryx.cc
 To:  g3-5-list@googlegroups.com

 In April 2011, I found a legal copy of OS X Server 1.2 server on
 Amazon.com, of all places.  I tried a few things to make it work, but
 was non-successful.
 I’m just trying to install Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on my G4 AGP Graphics. I
 found that the installation disc has two bootable volumes: the first one is a
 Mac OS 9 (specifically 9.0) boot disc that has the installer on it. You can
 also use Drive Setup to initialize a volume – so you can choose one for the
 installation.

 Knowing that the Cube cannot boot Mac OS 9.0 – there is your problem.

 Later, I purchased an early G4 from the LEM list that was on the HCL and
 was still unsuccessful with 1.2.
 Which Mac did you collect, exactly? (If you’re not sure, you may want to use
 Mactracker or Onyx to find out, or, if you’re brave: System Profiler).

 Today, my Server 1.2 box is sitting on my book shelf.  I need to get
 motivated again, and come up with plan C !
 You should definitly give it another try.

 Contact me should you be interested.


 Cheers,
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Re: Updates for Mac OS X?

[Richard Gerome]

 I guess Apple wants all us before Tiger gone??? And I'm sure Tiger will be 
gone too pretty soon??? It really sucks, I am not crazy about these Intel Macs 
at all...




-Original Message-
From: Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net
Sent: Jul 11, 2012 12:56 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Updates for Mac OS X?

Hello!

I reinstalled a fresh 10.2, 10.3 and 10.4 on my Cube and naturally I started 
updating the installations soon after. 10.2 is now the most recent 10.2.8 with 
all security updates supplied by Software Update, but I had to use my 
previously downloaded and offline stored installation packages.

I checked the last three or four days for updates on Mac OS X 10.2 and today 
with 10.3 and noticed that the servers from Apple were unreachable from within 
Apple’s own Software Update application (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1338).

I then checked to see if updates from the support page 
(http://support.apple.com/downloads/) can be downloaded normally, which they 
can. So there is still a (hard) way to update a Mac OS X pre-10.4.

I also noticed that Mac OS X prior to 10.5 has been removed from Apples 
internet website (http://www.apple.com/support/mac/).

I will now also continue to update my 10.3 using the priviously downloaded 
.dmg installation images I collected and preserved for such cases.


Anyone else having problem with Software Update?


Cheers,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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Re: Updates for Mac OS X?

[Richard Gerome]

 I used to go to Apple's archives to get the combo updates... I used to 
also save them on my desktop and I might have Jaguar somewhere and I maybe 
could email it to you? I don't have Panther... I think Tiger is still available 
on Apple's website? Let me pull out my Clamshells and check? I also might have 
it on my old iPod too? 





-Original Message-
From: Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net
Sent: Jul 11, 2012 12:56 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Updates for Mac OS X?

Hello!

I reinstalled a fresh 10.2, 10.3 and 10.4 on my Cube and naturally I started 
updating the installations soon after. 10.2 is now the most recent 10.2.8 with 
all security updates supplied by Software Update, but I had to use my 
previously downloaded and offline stored installation packages.

I checked the last three or four days for updates on Mac OS X 10.2 and today 
with 10.3 and noticed that the servers from Apple were unreachable from within 
Apple’s own Software Update application (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1338).

I then checked to see if updates from the support page 
(http://support.apple.com/downloads/) can be downloaded normally, which they 
can. So there is still a (hard) way to update a Mac OS X pre-10.4.

I also noticed that Mac OS X prior to 10.5 has been removed from Apples 
internet website (http://www.apple.com/support/mac/).

I will now also continue to update my 10.3 using the priviously downloaded 
.dmg installation images I collected and preserved for such cases.


Anyone else having problem with Software Update?


Cheers,
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Re: Questions About New Spam Concerns

[Richard Gerome]

-Original Message-
From: glen glenst...@yahoo.com
Sent: Jun 21, 2012 7:12 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Questions About New Spam Concerns

 I get my share of spam -- most of it goes into the spam folder where it 
 belongs.

During the past months I found a few spams disguised with the name and email 
address of former business clients and today the name and email address of a 
close friend in my inbox.

The business clients I have known for a number of years and are not spammers. 
Furthermore, I have not done any recent business with them. I don't know if 
they are Mac or Window users so I suspected perhaps some windows malware 
snatched my email from them and sent the spam masked with their name and 
address.

Today, I  received a lose weight spam from a good friend who is a Mac user. 
Since I am the desired weight for my height I know this is not a hint to lose 
weight.  This friend also uses a smart phone (Blackberry) to exchange emails.

 I hate to tell you but it's malware infecting both PeeCee's and Mac's... 
My Macbook has been infected and I'm looking for a Leopard and Snow Leopard 
discs to do some cleaning and reinstalling very soon... 



So here's are the questions, are any of my Mac's responsible for this? Or, are 
spammers hacking into my friend and clients email devices to cause this 
disturbing disruption? Or what else could be causing this? Is it something I 
should be concerned with? 

This raises a lot of red security flags. Thanks for any answers --glen

PS all emails were sent from a either a BW G3 (now retired), G4 Sawtooth, DA, 
or MDD, OS 10.4.11.

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Re: Flash help??

[Richard Gerome]

 I am using it on my Macbook running Snow Leopard... I wanted to try it on my TiBook but the charger took a crap and i don't have enough battery power to do it... They say it is great for Tiger and I even read something about Jaguar and Panther too? As soon as I get a new charger for it I'm going to try it??? For now I can't help you, sorry... -Original Message-
From: Jonas Lopez <jonaslo...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Jun 18, 2012 12:10 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Flash help??

S glad you posted this --- I have VLC and can NOT get it to work. I dl for 10.4.11 and for 10.5.8 PPC NOT INTEL and all I get is a black screen in 10.5 and NO SCREEN in 10.4.It was always flakey and now it does not work at all.BTW: I do have the fake version 11 in place of 10.Still no VLC -- any ideasG4 OS 10.4 AND 10.5 ps others work such as Real and QT."I'm a designated FREE SPIRIT HITCHHIKING on the Information Super Highway"

===--- On Sun, 6/17/12, Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net wrote:From: Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.netSubject: Re: Flash help??To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.comDate: Sunday, June 17, 2012, 10:54 PM  Try downloading: "VLC" then download the video and open the video with that...John CarmonneYorba Linda CA



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Re: VLC (was Re: Flash help??)

[Richard Gerome]

 Are you just clicking once on the video or movie to just highlight it, then go to file and choose "Open With" then choose "VLC" ??? The video or movie should start up in and run in VLC... Also check in the Applications Folder to see if it is in there? If not you have to drag and drop the VLC icon... I think you already know this though? Other then all this I don't know what else could be wrong? -Original Message-
From: Jonas Lopez 
Sent: Jun 18, 2012 10:02 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VLC (was Re: Flash help??)

I re dl the version for ppc 0.9.19 for 10.4 it loaded just fine. I did the flash 10 likes 11 and all went well. VLC starts and you can hear the sound of *.flv file but still nothing but a black screen.G4 plays all others any ideas appreciated.jml."I'm a designated FREE SPIRIT HITCHHIKING on the Information Super Highway"

===--- On Mon, 6/18/12, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote:From: Dan dantear...@gmail.comSubject: VLC (was Re: Flash help??)To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.comDate: Monday, June 18, 2012, 10:02 AMAt 9:10 AM -0700 6/18/2012, Jonas Lopez wrote: I have VLC and can NOT get it to work. I dl for 10.4.11 and for 10.5.8 PPC NOT INTEL and all I get is a black screen in 10.5 and NO SCREEN in 10.4.But you don't mention what version of VLC you downloaded...The final version of VLC that runs on Tiger is 0.9.10. It is a universal (ppc and intel) build.For Leopard, you can run version 2.0.1. It is NOT a universal build, so you have to be careful that you grab the correct
 one.http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-macosx.html It was always flakey and now it does not work at all.YMMV, I guess. I've never had issues with VLC, and I use it daily. Heck, I'm often finding handy features that I didn't know about before... Like being able to press the 'a' key to dynamically change the aspect ratio.- Dan.-- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth.



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Re: Flash help??

[Richard Gerome]

 Try downloading: VLC then download the video and open the video with 
that...




-Original Message-
From: John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com
Sent: Jun 17, 2012 3:45 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Flash help??

On a G4 PPC 1.67 10.5.8. Every time I try to play a video on Face Book I get a 
dialog box telling me to upgrade Flash, but all that's offered for 10.5 is 
Intel only.  
Any one know how I can play these video's 


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem






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Re: G4 MDD won't connect to internet

[Richard Gerome]

 After doing everything that John has suggested (even pull oput the 
ethernet card and clean it and reseat it), I would go to System Pref then click 
on Network and change the settings to AirPort only (shut everything else 
off)... I had an iBook Clamshell do this to me many of times, once I changed it 
to AirPort only it never did it again!!! I think something happens when it goes 
to sleep that causes it (it must be confused when it wakes and doesn't remember 
where it was before it went to sleep LOL) 




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From: John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com
Sent: Jun 16, 2012 8:43 AM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: G4 MDD won't connect to internet


On Jun 16, 2012, at 5:22 AM, Alex Sciortino wrote:

 Was there any lightning? If there was the onboard Ethernet may be shot. 
 
 
  So, any ideas about what is wrong with it, and what I can do to fix it? 
 
 
 
 

I would reset the machine by disconnecting all cables then remove the RAM 
depress the CUDA switch for 15 seconds. Then replace the RAM and cables.
Restart zapping the PRAM, I don't think it's a bad Ethernet port because it 
does see the router.



John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
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Re: Internet on Mac Mini- wireless device?

[Richard Gerome]

   I have a Sprint Broadband that I use in a USB Wireless Router that I got 
from Sprint and it will work just fine for up to 5 computers!!! It acts just 
like any ISP... If you have a laptop and go on a trip you can take it with you 
too and use it on the road!!!



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From: cheryl chelyh...@gmail.com
Sent: May 8, 2012 5:00 PM
To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Internet on Mac Mini- wireless device?

I am living in a place with no internet service, and I'm wondering if
I can use one of the wireless mobile devices. I don't think my machine
has an Airport card because when I check that on the system it says
no information available. The problem is that I don't know if one of
those mobile devices will run on a USB hub, and a mac mini only has
two USB ports, which are being used for my keyboard and mouse. Is
there any way to find out if my machine will take a wireless keyboard
and mouse? I bought it from someone on the swap list so i will try to
contact him as well.

Cheryl Harris
Tehachapi, CA

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Re: G5 and lack of ipod connection

[Richard Gerome]

 I'm pretty sure the new iPods won't work on PPC'c, only Intel??? I can't 
get my brand new Ipod to work on my G4 TiBook but it works on my MacBook... 
Maybe someone on here might know a way around it to get it to work???





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Subject: G5 and lack of ipod connection

For some reason this G5 won't see or charge my iPod touch...  thoughts?

Hardware Overview:

   Machine Name:   Power Mac G5
   Machine Model:  PowerMac7,3
   CPU Type:   PowerPC G5  (2.2)
   Number Of CPUs: 2
   CPU Speed:  1.8 GHz
   L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB
   Memory: 2 GB
   Bus Speed:  900 MHz
   Boot ROM Version:   5.1.8f7

   System Version: Mac OS X 10.4.11 (8S165)
   Kernel Version: Darwin 8.11.0
   Boot Volume:G5 HD1 150G

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Re: Overclocked MDD

[Richard Gerome]

 I have used those blue ice packs to cool my computers many of times as a 
temp fix, till you can figure out a better method. I would hang it close to the 
fan so it blows the cool air in it, I also have used them to sit my Tibook on 
when the fan went bad till I fixed that too!!! 




-Original Message-
From: Jesse St.John jesselorenstj...@gmail.com
Sent: Mar 7, 2012 1:38 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Overclocked MDD

how are you effectively cooling these as my mdd runs relatively hot  
already? and i would lke to do this but i am  a  chicken and i dont  
want to ruin a good thing. i witnessed online a gentlemen who showed  
me the resistors on the cpu chip itself to adjust, but decided not to  
do it until i had one myslef to try out.
On Mar 7, 2012, at 1:30 AM, Kris Tilford wrote:

 I just realized your MDD is dual-CPU. This will likely require a  
 slightly different patch because the G4 Mini is single CPU. The line  
 in the patch dev PowerPC,G4@0 would likely need an additional CPU  
 which I'd guess would probably be identified as G4@1? I don't know  
 the nuances of Open Firmware, so it's possible the solution for dual  
 CPUs could be as simple as appending G4@1 to the dev  
 PowerPC,G4@0 like this dev PowerPC,G4@0,G4@1?

 Since I don't know the real answer for dual CPUs I think that the  
 simplest solution would be to enter the entire patch TWICE, once for  
 G4@0 and once for G4@1 in the line dev PowerPC,G4@0.

 If you want to do this in a single operation without an intermediate  
 reboot, you could enter up to step #5 nvstoreReturn for G4@0 and  
 then repeat from step #1 again for G4@1 and only after the 2nd step  
 #5 proceed to #6  #7 which tell the Mac to use these alternate  
 stored versions and reboot.

 It's possible you may need to read up on Open Firmware commands for  
 this dual CPU patch to work correctly, but it should be possible.

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Re: Studio Display Monitor Broken Hinge

[Richard Gerome]

  JB Weld epoxy, if you can drill some tiny holes around the crack so that it can seep into the holes along the crack it should hold? I usually drill a couple lines of holes spaced out and staggered and I also drill the holes at different angles too. I can't see what you have so I can't tell you exactly how to drill the holes??? Then when it is hardened up for a couple days you can sand it and paint it to match the color of it!-Original Message-
From: glen 
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To: "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Studio Display Monitor Broken Hinge

This little Apple Studio Display M2454 monitor has seen light use and has a lot of life left. It has been attached to my Mac G4's for testing purposes. In a really dumb move I broke the acrylic stand connection to the monitor. I tried to super glue it together but as you may guess that did not work.http://www.flickr.com/photos/glenstrek/6808551702It looks easy to replace the broken part but any ideas where to get one. And what is it called. If I were to post a WTB to the LEM Swap List I would not know what to ask for. Perhaps there is a third party parts dealer that won't charge more for the part than the monitor is worth. Any ideas? Thanks, --glen



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Re: Studio Display Monitor Broken Hinge

[Richard Gerome]

  After looking at the picture of where it broke my idea about JB Weld probably won't work?-Original Message-
From: Charles Lenington 
Sent: Mar 5, 2012 2:53 AM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Studio Display Monitor Broken Hinge



  

  
  
On 3/5/12 12:34 AM, Brian Fuelleman wrote:

  
You might put in an ad in your local Pennysaver or
local newspaper/want ad paper for a monitor, working or not,
then you could swap out the stand. Another option might be
going to a local art supply store and look at a Sidekick
easel. They clamp on to the edge of a table or desk, and
let you set the angle, height and size to meet your needs.
just a thought.



  
 
 From:
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To:
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Sent:
Sunday, March 4, 2012 9:00 PM
Subject:
Studio Display Monitor Broken Hinge
   


  

  This little Apple Studio Display M2454 monitor
has seen light use and has a lot of life left. It
has been attached to my Mac G4's for testing
purposes. In a really dumb move I broke the acrylic
stand connection to the monitor. I tried to super
glue it together but as you may guess that did not
work.
  
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/glenstrek/6808551702
  
  
  It looks easy to replace the broken part but any
ideas where to get one. And what is it called. If I
were to post a WTB to the LEM Swap List I would not
know what to ask for. Perhaps there is a third party
parts dealer that won't charge more for the part
than the monitor is worth. Any ideas? Thanks, --glen
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

  

  

  

tip: My kid's desk has the paper slot for printers. I took the
monitor and stuck front legs in slot and put the broken rear leg
under middle to keep monitor from going all the way through. I have
the G5 tower behind it to help adjust angle. Maybe some thought at a
temp to solution will let you use it.
  




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Re: new ibook battery bad?

[Richard Gerome]

 If it came with a warranty email them about sending it back for another 
one or get your money back but you might want to make sure they pay the 
shipping back (China is subsidized for this and the shipping could be very 
expensive), I know ebay sent China $100,000,000 to get their business... It 
probably is just a bad one? I can remember buying my first Clamshell and I had 
this problem with it brand new, but the Apple Store told me it was a display 
model reboxed that was left plugged in the whole time while on display (never 
cycled). I bought it at a Sears Store that was closing out all of their Apple 
computers. It was $1999 at 40% off so I got it for $1100... The Apple Store did 
something to it and I got back a full 5hr charge on it and it lasted 7yrs 
(still on the same battery). I asked them what they did and they wouldn't tell 
me how they did it, all they said was they reprogramed it... I still don't know 
how this is done... Today I will cycle my new batteries at least 5 times before 
I even think about leaving them plugged in and most of them I will get a good 
4hr charge out of them!!! You need to at least run them dead once a month after 
this but I do it once a week... 




-Original Message-
From: Geke gevangaste...@googlemail.com
Sent: Nov 10, 2011 7:35 AM
To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: new ibook battery bad?

I finished reviving an iBook G3 (the first white one, Dual USB) from
my nephew and it runs Tiger nicely now.
But the new battery I bought, which showed full when I received it,
now doesn’t seem to hold much charge anymore: the onscreen indicator
never goes above 10% or so and the tester button on the battery gives
only one light.
Now I confess that I bought a battery from Hongkong, which was several
euros cheaper than what the majority of the other offers cost. Did I
just buy a bad battery?


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Re: No Startup, just an endlessly repeating chime

[Richard Gerome]

 If this surge protector is the cause and your computer is bad it may have 
a warranty that might cover the repairs or replacement? Some places if it's the 
electric companies fault they may pay you too? 




-Original Message-
From: dc dbc...@verizon.net
Sent: Oct 14, 2011 9:48 AM
To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: No Startup, just an endlessly repeating chime

I have a bad feeling about this...
After a brief power outage yesterday I now cannot start up my Mac
desktop.  I get a nice chime but, a few seconds later, it chimes again
and just keeps repeating the startup chime. Holding keys- option,
shift-command-option-delete, command-option-o-f, etc.- has no effect,
it just keeps repeating the startup chime. I've had a number of
different Mac desktops over the years and I've never run across this
phenomenon. Can anyone help me figure out what the problem might be?
The computer was connected to a UPC battery backup surge protector at
the time and I was using it; as soon as I saw the UPC alert I went to
the Apple menu and shut the machine down normally.
The computer is an Intel-based MacPro (1,1) but I am wondering if
anyone ever had a similar problem, say with a G5 running Leopard?

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Re: Cleaning a PowerBook G4

[Richard Gerome]

   I think your best bet would be: Electromotive Cleaner or Electronic Tuner 
Cleaner 




-Original Message-
From: Doug McNutt dougl...@macnauchtan.com
Sent: Jul 18, 2011 4:32 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Cleaning a PowerBook G4

At 15:03 -0400 7/18/11, Dan wrote:
The owner of this PB G4 claimed he doesn't smoke - but he smells and has 
glowing yellow eyes.  The PB has that nicotine patina, and the keys are 
gummy, some unresponsive.  I opened it up... and the nicotine/tar is acting 
as a glue for some white cat hairs...

Ok, so tonight I'm going to double up on the latex gloves and try cleaning 
this beastie.  Normally I use things like rubbing or iso alcohol.  But then 
normally, I avoid tar'd computers.  Is there something better for ciggy goo?

Long long ago, when I  worked in a government laboratory, I used an acoustic 
vibrating tank filled with CCl2F2 - freon22 - for things like that.

That's probably illegal now but there are vibrating tanks big enough to handle 
a keyboard if you can get access to one.

Carbona was CCl4 - carbon tet - would be good too but there's that ozone thing 
above us.

Acetone is a a BAD idea.  It will mess up the plastic parts.

Gasoline??  Perhaps with some experimenting on the plastics first. Alcohol 
will clean up after that.

Stoddard Solvent would be like gasoline but without dissolved heavier oils.

Paint thinner is a lot like Stoddard but cheaper and available at Home Depot. 
NOT paint remover.
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Re: Bounced mail?

[Richard Gerome]

 Yep, I think I got about 120 so far -Original Message-
From: Jonas Ulrich 
Sent: Jun 11, 2011 3:43 PM
To: g3-5-list 
Subject: Bounced mail?

Anyone else getting tons of bounce mail coming back? Stuff you sent a long time ago?-- -Jonas



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Re: New Yahoo mail on clamshell?

[Richard Gerome]

   Tiger on a Clamshell is not going to be too good, unless it's a 466mhz with 
576mb (maxed out) and a 7200rpm HD will make it the best it can be, this will 
make it usable but it will be right on the line. Reading email and maybe some 
websites will be the only thing good. It will work though because I have done 
it, a 366 will probably be slower...




-Original Message-
From: Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com
Sent: May 2, 2011 1:52 AM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Yahoo mail on clamshell?

On 2011/05/01 06:28, PAR so eloquently wrote:
 Any suggestions? I don't have a copy of OSX 10.4 to upgrade with.

Find one. ;-)

Tina

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Re: G5 1.8 Single Processor Performance

[Richard Gerome]

   Check the rpm of the HD, if it's not a 7200rpm, putting in one of these 
will increase the speed of the computer a lot, if the one in there is a 5400rpm 
or slower. Better video card and max the ram. Or buy another newer computer 
with a faster processor speed like what was said here on this last post. 

  


If you didn't feel much of a difference going from 500mb to 1.5gb then
I suspect adding a little RAM more won't satisfy you. If you still
have the original hard drive then a new large hard drive should make
it feel a little faster. Otherwise nothings going to make it feel
hugely faster. If the budget allows, on craigs list at least in my
area dual 2.0  2.3 ghz G5s are available all the time at the $300
range. You might be able to score one with a vastly better video card,
more RAM and a bigger HD.

On May 2, 3:22 pm, heyjohnhay heyjohn...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,

 I'm looking for a quick way to upgrade the performance of my stock G5
 1.8 single processor powermac.  It has 1.5GB of memory in it now,
 running 10.5.  It also has the original Nvidia 64MB video card.  I've
 tried putting in another 1GB of memory in it but no real difference,
 still slow...  What's your suggestion for a quick and inexpensive way
 to upgrade the speed.  What can I expect?  I know more memory and
 faster video is an easy solution but its also expensive and I don't
 know how noticeable the effect will be.

 Thanks-

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Re: Installer for patched KeyLargoATA.kext for limited large drive support in pre-QS2002 G4 Power Macs

[Richard Gerome]

   I would be interested in this for my friends computer, the M5183 I upgraded 
for them last yr!!! It has a 7200rpm 250g (or is it a 160g?) HD and they only 
have 128g of user space...  




-Original Message-
From: Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net
Sent: Apr 16, 2011 1:21 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Installer for patched KeyLargoATA.kext for limited large drive 
support in pre-QS2002 G4 Power Macs

Hello Power Mac people!

Once again I'm happy to share what I enjoyed playing with. It is not much, but 
then: I'm not a software developer, so for my limited skills this is quite 
okay I think!

On request of Valter Prahlad I made a Mac OS X 10.4 version of the modified 
KeyLargoATA.kext, that ignores the lba-48 Open Firmware property and thus 
always enables large drive support on Power Mac G4 computers prior to the 
QS2002.

The advantage: you'll have access to the partitions past the 128 GB line 
regardless of the lba-48 property. For example, when the NVRAM has been 
zapped, or when the PRAM battery is low.

My previous KeyLargoATA.kext that I compiled for Leopard doesn't work in 
Tiger. I tested this and it breaks the system (no root device) (temporarily, 
until restored from another Mac OS X).

The source code for KeyLargoATA is the same for 10.5 and for 10.4. My guess is 
that it isn't interchangeable due to Xcode. I used 3.1.3 for Leopard, but had 
to use 2.5 for Tiger.

So, while at it I figured out how to write a very simple Installer package and 
it worked on my system.

I'll tweak it a little more and then I'll have Valter test it.

QUESTION:
Is anybody else interested in the package?

If so, are there any suggestions where to put it so that people can download 
it?

I'm planning also to make such an Installer package for the 10.5 version, or 
even one combined package (which is not soo easy BTW, at least for me, at 
least not yet) that installs the correct kext for either 10.4 or 10.5.

Maybe also a 10.3 version of the kext is of some interest?


Anyway, I'm looking for your feedback!

Cheers,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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Re: PowerBook 500MHz G4 (original Ti) does not power on?

[Richard Gerome]

   I had this problem with my 1ghz Tibook (it over heated from one of my fans 
going bad) and I found this little copper button under the keyboard in the top 
right hand corner by the power button, pressed it and the computer booted back 
up without any trouble!!! I'm not sure yours is the same as mine???




-Original Message-
From: iJohn zjboyguard-ggro...@yahoo.com
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To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: PowerBook 500MHz G4 (original Ti) does not power on?

I'm going to start by admitting I'm well out of my comfort zone on
this one so starting by asking for nudges in the right direction seems
the best way to go.

At the moment I'm looking at an Apple PowerBook 500MHz G4 (original
Ti), M7710LL/A, s/n QT1113VWJF8 for a friend.
www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powerbook_g4/stats/powerbook_g4_500.html

The above identification is made entirely by reading the label off of
the box the PowerBook came in. I believe it is accurate, but have
nothing else to compare it to since the unit won't power on and I
don't know where to look for identifying information on the PowerBook
itself.

What happens is I plug in and connect the power adapter, hit the power
key and ... nothing. This in itself is not that much of a surprise
since it's been stuck in its box in storage for a year or more.

I find it very frustrating that the design of the connector for this
adapter makes in impractical to test if the adapter is working with a
VOM. (Or so I've read. Certainly when I tried using a VOM I got no
reading, but apparently that's SOP for this adapter.)

I've tried the press and release of the reset button located on the
rear panel of the computer between the external video and modem ports,
waiting 5 seconds, then trying the power button again. Nothing.

Not sure what to try next. IIRC, one of the posts I stumbled across
(for a G3) suggested going under the keyboard and disconnecting the
PRAM battery. Pretty sure I don't want to head in that direction
without first getting a second or even third opinion.

Even if that is the way to go, if it turns out the unit needs a new
PRAM battery to function I'm not sure it is worth it to me or my
friend to pay the ~$28 to get a new battery. I just don't hear this
system calling to me in that way.

But I figure I owe it my friend to try to figure out as much as I can
about what the current usability of this PowerBook might be before
giving up on it.

-irrational john

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Re: OT OT OT need a reason ?

[Richard Gerome]

   Ah...clem, I couldn't agree with you more on that!!! I am not too happy with 
my Macbook either, that I'm still using my Tibook!!!






On Mar 22, 3:09 pm, Daniel Stewart daniel.stewart...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Not surprising that you have had hardware issues with the Intel Macs.
  I have been doing service work on PCs for years and that is pretty
 standard with intel based systems.    I have to ask though with the
 X86 Mac what on earth was Apple thinking with Intel integrated
 graphics.   Intel integrated GPUs were considered a joke on the Wintel
 side long before Apple made the switch so why got with a graphics
 platform that many consider to be an oxymoron especially given who


 Apples clients tend to be.On Mar 23, 12:44 pm, imrazor evol...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 Thanks Dan, that's a very good summary for a non-coder like myself.
 Apple claims that Altivec is twice as fast as SSE1/2/3 at 8 flops/
 cycle vs SSE's 4flops/cycle, so theoretically shouldn't a G5 be twice
 as fast as an Intel processor at SIMD operations at equivalent clock
 speeds?

thank-you.  QED.  i rest my case.  intel is junk, and the switch to
intel was a HUGE step backwards for apple.  and puhleeze, spare us
all the stories about how fast your MacPro is compared to an MDD.
that proves NOTHING.  the relevant question is, how fast would a
MacPro be if it used the latest G7 processor?

i, for one, used apples rather than PC's for ONE reason and one reason
ONLY.  by a very wide margin, they outperformed comparable PCs and
even PCs that were superior on paper.  NOW, they DON'T.
reluctantly, i bought an intelmac, hoping that the braintrust at apple
would justify my faith in them by building a better blackbox using
the same guts.  they haven't, and it looks like they won't.  you can't
make a silk purse from a sow's ear.  i know i have to live with it,
and living with it seems to me to point to abandoning apple altogether
and going with a PC running either 64-bit win7 or unix.  and i would
even go so far as to encourage all apple users to do the same.  how
else will apple and SJ ever get the message?




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Re: OT OT OT need a reason ?

[Richard Gerome]

   I would like to see AMD because I'm not crazy about my 2008 Macbook with 
2G processor and 2G memory running Snow Leopard... My old Titanium Powerbook 
A1025 runs better running Tiger!!! I guess we will see if Apple jumps ship with 
them???


I have a sentimental attachment to my PPC Macs, and was sorry to see 
Apple switch to Intel (AMD anyone?), but there's no denying that we have 
seen performance and efficiency gains that we were never going to see 
with PPC. The G5 was speed limited due to power consumption (heat 
output), and the i/Powerbooks were stuck with the G4 for the same reason.


Tina

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Re: spills wireless keyboard

[Richard Gerome]

   Try Fine Tuner Cleaner you can get this from Radio Shack!!! 



-Original Message-
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Sent: Mar 8, 2011 4:57 PM
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Subject: spills wireless keyboard

The answer to this question may be obvious to some but it's a mystery
to me: I use a wireless keyboard and mouse. If I accidentially dump my
coffee on the keyboad is there the same liklihood of shorting out or
otherwise damaging the computer as there is with a wired keyboard or
is this actually a good way to prevent damage beyond the yeyboard or
mouse? Great curiosity.

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Re: Timer

[Richard Gerome]

   How about your cell ph? Mine has 5 alarms on it...




-Original Message-
From: John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com
Sent: Feb 26, 2011 8:27 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Timer

Is there a timer I can get for my Mac that I can set to remind me audibly of 
an elapsed amount of time to help with my cooking?


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
Sent from my MBP





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Re: Browsers

[Richard Gerome]

 Hey Tina,
 Have you tried Flock ?  It works pretty good on my G3 466 Clamshell with 
576mb and a 7200rpm HD!!! It really works great on my Tibook A1025 too!!! It 
runs faster then Camino did...   




-Original Message-
From: Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com
Sent: Feb 23, 2011 3:27 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Browsers

Recently I tried using Camino as my primary browser and found it to be 
excruciatingly slow, pages that other browsers load in seconds take 
about a minute (or more) to load in Camino. Has anyone else noticed this?

The reason I tried using Camino is because I'm a little low on RAM and 
OmniWeb uses over 1GB by the end of the day. Today I'm trying Safari and 
it's already up to 718MB, is this just the nature of WebKit?

Tina

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Re: Powerbook G4 1.67ghz does not chime on startup (OSX 10.5.8)

[Richard Gerome]

   Did they work before you did a reinstall? Did you check the volume control 
up by the time in the top right hand corner, System Pref and click on the 
speaker (Sound) or the F5 key too??? It might be the sound card, bad wire to 
the speakers or even the speakers??? If they worked before the reinstall it may 
not have installed the drivers for the sound? Maybe do a clean and reinstall 
again??? 




-Original Message-
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Subject: Powerbook G4 1.67ghz does not chime on startup (OSX 10.5.8)

My powerbook has stop chiming. I recently had to move all the HD
contents to another external drive and reinstall OSX 10.5.8 and now my
with a new install the powerbook doesn't chime on start up anymore.
Also having power issues -meaning I have to hit F2 a few times to
increase the back light on the screen because it keeps dimming.
Looking for solutions. Thanks

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Re: Powerbook G4 1.67ghz does not chime on startup (OSX 10.5.8)

[Richard Gerome]

   Forgot to ask, is there any sound at all??? 



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Subject: Powerbook G4 1.67ghz does not chime on startup (OSX 10.5.8)

My powerbook has stop chiming. I recently had to move all the HD
contents to another external drive and reinstall OSX 10.5.8 and now my
with a new install the powerbook doesn't chime on start up anymore.
Also having power issues -meaning I have to hit F2 a few times to
increase the back light on the screen because it keeps dimming.
Looking for solutions. Thanks

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Re: Dual G5 Dilemma

[Richard Gerome]

   The cheapest way to do this is get a long 12gage or 14gage extension cord 
and find a different circuit (outlet) to plug into that's not on the heater 
circuit... Unless you are in a different country then the USA... Get a heavy 
duty extension cord for it...



-Original Message-
From: imrazor evol...@gmail.com
Sent: Jan 31, 2011 6:32 PM
To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Dual G5 Dilemma



On Jan 31, 7:03 am, Ross olfec...@digizip.com wrote:
 What's your so-called dilemma? Get the BIG-ASS electrical load off the
 DP G5 circuit. Try running the Intel and !!!heater!!! off of separate
 circuits. HEATER! Damn, with a DP G5, you should be looking for AC,
 not heat. Whole thing is non-sense from this observers' POV. Got power
 problems, by a nice APC UPS rated at 1.5KW for ~$150.00 to $200.00.
 Have an electrician install two separate new home run circuit to your
 computer room. and load balance the main electrical panel. This is
 cheap insurance for all systems and won't cost any more than the
 deferred maintenance you have NOT been paying for for 3-years. Clean
 up any dirty gounds, separate, don't share neutrals with disparate
 circuits, while you're at it.

 Shut down your DP G5 and open it up. RR the optical drive with
 specialized screw set from the unit. Make any minor adjustments to the
 drive itself, and to bottom legs to get the chasis level. Stand the
 system, reinstall the optical drive with the specialized screw set.
 Adjust the drive to clear the door when ejecting the tray. Preserve
 the external shimming of the upright system unit as you put it where
 it wil lbe running. While you are inside the unit, if dusty, blow it
 out you lazy housekeeper! Check your video card fan while you are at
 it.

 Lastly, just give the DP G5 away to someone who would be grateful to
 receive it, not treat it as a an excuse for drama. You well-heeled
 penurious types who create these NON-ISSUE issues slay me. I'm a
 working boy, LEM all the damn way. If my stuff quits, I fix it, I
 don't just pass, bitch, and buy another new system to neglect.

 /rant

 Ross Holland
 Menlo Park, CA 94025
Oh, boy, where to begin. First of all, the heater is in a separate
room with my SO, who can’t stand to have the temp below 76F. Secondly,
the cost of rewiring the house along with upgrading/rewiring/replacing
the breaker panel would be hundreds (perhaps thousands) of dollars,
far exceeding the value of the heater, the G5 and the quad Intel
combined (it’s a PC, not a Mac Pro.)  Money I don’t have, by the way.
Not unwilling to spend, mind you, but do not have.
Your suggestions about the DVD-RW are spot on. And perhaps if I have
some spare time and I feel like tinkering, I may give it a try.
However, the G5 sucks power like a Hoover , and as you noted, turns my
little home office into a sauna in the summer. For $100 in Xmas gift
cards and some spare parts, I built a much more efficient machine to
handle its function.  If I was as well heeled as you seem to think I
am, I would’ve bought a shiny new Mac mini to do the job.
Drama? I didn’t think so, but perhaps next time I’ll wear my cape and
Fawkes mask to drive the point home…

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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Richard Gerome]

   Oh yeah, I know this Tina I should have said that... You do need a Windows 
anti virus for it!!! 



-Original Message-
From: Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com
Sent: Nov 11, 2010 11:21 AM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anti-virus for Mac

On 2010/11/10 23:03, Richard Gerome so eloquently wrote:
 You need a virus software program if you run Windows on it...

Since it is a brand new Apple product I think it's safe to say the 
included A-V is for OS X. Which does you no good when you are running 
Windoze.

And it's probably Norton to boot.

Tina

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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Richard Gerome]

 You need a virus software program if you run Windows on it...-Original Message-
From: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio 
Sent: Nov 11, 2010 12:02 AM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anti-virus for Mac

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:06 AM, James Therrault jetas...@netzero.com wrote:


On Nov 10, 2010, at 8:12 PM, Tina K. wrote:


Today on the Price Is Wright they had a MacPro in the showcase showdown, it came equipped with "a 1TB hard drive…


… and anti-virus software."

I almost choked on my soda.



Yeah, but Drew has really slimmed down and he's a Mac guy...Well he would be a Mac guy logically. He went to college here and our campus has lots of Macs. And has had a Mac Store on campus for a long time.

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Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

[Richard Gerome]

   It most certainly sounds to me like it's the Hard Drive going bad... I've 
had, out of all the Apples I have owned and worked on only 2 Clamshells do this 
(one of them I bought brand new and Apple Care replaced it) and in both the HD 
was the issue... My Apple use goes back to 1996...



-Original Message-
From: lrbarrios lrbarr...@datastarusa.com
Sent: Nov 9, 2010 2:10 AM
To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

I just purchased a PowerMac G3 All-In-One from a flee market for $5.
I was told that it works, so what the heck.  As long as my wife
doesn't find out, I'm okay.  :)

I powered it up tonight and it's making a 'snapping/popping' sound
from under the hood -- like a bug zapper.  When this happens, the CRT
display also flashes.  At first I just thought it might be dust.  I
can actually boot an OS 9.2 CD, but shortly afterwards, the machine
will start snapping and popping and reboot itself.  Eventually, after
it gets warmed up, it's almost continually popping and interrupting
the boot process.  I know this can't be good for it, so I've turned it
off until I can get some answers.  Is it the power supply?

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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Richard Gerome]

 I must admit I think I had one in my Clamshell about 3 yrs ago but I'm not quite sure??? Here's the story: I was searching the web (on dailup) and went on this site then all of a sudden my whole screen turned red then it started what sounded like it was burning up then after that noise stopped I had a ghost of the previous webpage and my computer just died... I had a lot of spare clamshell parts so I replaced the screen and the computer booted back up and it lasted about a month and it happened again so this time I replaced the screen and did a clean and reinstall and it's been running great since!!! A virus??? Maybe??? I never heard of any Mac user having any problems, ever, and I still do not use any anti virus software... -Original Message-
From: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio 
Sent: Nov 8, 2010 6:41 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anti-virus for Mac

So John Thinks there are Mac viruses or has had a personal experience of a Mac virus and no one else does or has?( sorry John. 10 years of no one reporting a virus of thousands of LEM listers overrides anything else I have seen yet. Despite all the scare tactic bruhaha from those who write the crap to drum up business. ) 

When it comes you will see a lot of posts on LEM. 



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Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

[Richard Gerome]

   Hey Chuck,
   That wasn't fair to say that... I guess you do not know anything about 
the Clamshells HD's back in the day??? That is exactly how they sounded when a 
HD was going bad... They mentioned a G3 which is from that era... So I just 
figured that maybe the 3.5 drives may have done the same thing... There was 
talk about this issue in some older posts a couple yrs ago... 
   We are all here to help each other not criticize each other... Many more 
of the other posts referred them what is going bad... I didn't say it was for 
sure the HD, I just said it sounded to me like a bad HD...
   So please don't waste an email on these type of comments here... Thank 
You!!!  




-Original Message-
From: Chuck deadke...@gmail.com
Sent: Nov 9, 2010 10:06 AM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

anyone who points to a hard drive  about this issue  should not be allowed to
own or operate a computer.



On 11/9/10, Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net wrote:


It most certainly sounds to me like it's the Hard Drive going bad... I've
 had, out of all the Apples I have owned and worked on only 2 Clamshells do
 this (one of them I bought brand new and Apple Care replaced it) and in both
 the HD was the issue... My Apple use goes back to 1996...



 -Original Message-
From: lrbarrios lrbarr...@datastarusa.com
Sent: Nov 9, 2010 2:10 AM
To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

I just purchased a PowerMac G3 All-In-One from a flee market for $5.
I was told that it works, so what the heck.  As long as my wife
doesn't find out, I'm okay.  :)

I powered it up tonight and it's making a 'snapping/popping' sound
from under the hood -- like a bug zapper.  When this happens, the CRT
display also flashes.  At first I just thought it might be dust.  I
can actually boot an OS 9.2 CD, but shortly afterwards, the machine
will start snapping and popping and reboot itself.  Eventually, after
it gets warmed up, it's almost continually popping and interrupting
the boot process.  I know this can't be good for it, so I've turned it
off until I can get some answers.  Is it the power supply?

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Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

[Richard Gerome]

   I'm not familiar with that computer either just like Tina stated here and 
she has offered a lot of insight here too... But if there is that kind of 
energy stored in there I'm sure Apple put a Warning Label on it so no one 
would get zapped??? I hope??? Or there would have been some Law Suits for sure 
if someone died... Also before I ever tare something apart I will always look 
for a manual somewhere to see how it's done... I know a lot about capacitors, 
condensers, coils you name it all sorts of voltage devises that will store, 
increase or reduce voltage in a lot electronic devises... Went to Engineering 
School and learned about it there and also went to Automotive School and 
learned about it too, AC and DC and I'm not talking about that band either 
(which I think they suck)...   




-Original Message-
From: Chuck deadke...@gmail.com
Sent: Nov 9, 2010 4:51 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

someone wrote:

 I would assume that any prudent person who's a member of this list
would be aware of the dangers of imprudently playing around with
high-voltage devices.

that's a very bad assumption. possibly causing a human to die.

show me a thousand list member mac tinkerers,and i will show you
about  five hundred who are utterly unaware there is an issue, and
about three to five  people who can handle it correctly.

at least half of  people who earn a living fixing macs cannot handle
this issue safely, and don't try.

go ahead and spout condescending, irrational and dismissive  baloney.

you''ll get knocked across the room and a 20,000kV+ shock will pass
through your heart.
when you try to monkey around with this.

good luck with that plan. i approve.

natural selection is a good  thing.

condescension of that type was not allowed to survive in the  human
gene pool 40,000 years ago and there's no need for it to survive now.
~~

On 11/9/10, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 2010/11/09 10:50, Jim Scott so eloquently wrote:
 It's the Power Macintosh G3 All-In-One, and it is similar to the
 first-generation G3 iMac, except it has a bland beige case with a
 perforated white top that looks like a dental molar, hence the nickname
 G3 Molar. It also has a case of elephantiasis, compared to the 35-pound
 G3 iMac with similar specs. Go here to learn more (check out the 266 MHz
 version
 too):http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g3/stats/powermac_g3_233_aio.html.

 Thank you for the link, I see that it was an Education only model which
 is probably why I am not familiar with it.

 Yes, as with any cathode ray tube powered by a flyback transformer, safe
 CRT discharge practices should be observed. My point is that it is
 possible to replace just the FBT. I would assume that any prudent person
 who's a member of this list would be aware of the dangers of imprudently
 playing around with high-voltage devices.

 I agree, but better safe then sorry. Especially since LCDs have almost
 completely replaced CRTs there may be some that have forgotten about the
 risk, or have never opened a CRT before.

 Tina

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Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

[Richard Gerome]

Also Chuck,
   He never stated it was coming from the monitor??? He said it was coming from 
under the hood... Where and what is the hood here??? The only thing that I 
thought he was talking about was the panel on the tower??? The only thing that 
I know of that has a hood is a car... Oh yeah the ones from Europe call it the 
Bonnet... This is why I thought it could have been the HD...




-Original Message-
From: lrbarrios lrbarr...@datastarusa.com
Sent: Nov 9, 2010 2:10 AM
To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

I just purchased a PowerMac G3 All-In-One from a flee market for $5.
I was told that it works, so what the heck.  As long as my wife
doesn't find out, I'm okay.  :)

I powered it up tonight and it's making a 'snapping/popping' sound
from under the hood -- like a bug zapper.  When this happens, the CRT
display also flashes.  At first I just thought it might be dust.  I
can actually boot an OS 9.2 CD, but shortly afterwards, the machine
will start snapping and popping and reboot itself.  Eventually, after
it gets warmed up, it's almost continually popping and interrupting
the boot process.  I know this can't be good for it, so I've turned it
off until I can get some answers.  Is it the power supply?


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Re: Dead Drive?

[Richard Gerome]

   I would double check that you are formatting it right??? This happened to me 
once but it was with a PATA drive...




-Original Message-
From: AndersFager i...@gottick.com
Sent: Oct 31, 2010 8:04 AM
To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Dead Drive?

Folks,

Installed a brand new 500 gig hd in a G5 iMac. The old one had
issues. For reasons unknown Disc Utility has problems even formating
the damned thing. And refuses to partion it. Disc Warrior does not
even see the new drive. What can be wrong? The machine has a new
battery and from what I can make out the drive and the fans start ok,
the screen works.

Anders

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Re: IS the world about to change ?

[Richard Gerome]

   So where is the Wizard??? I would like to visit Oz!!! To see the Lion on a 
new Apple!!!

P.S. This is how they never end...




-Original Message-
From: Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net
Sent: Oct 27, 2010 10:48 AM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IS the world about to change ?


On Oct 27, 2010, at 12:33 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:


 On Oct 26, 2010, at 6:53 PM, Ashgrove wrote:

 On Oct 26, 3:03 pm, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote:
 Is this thread ever going to end?

 I have been wondering the same thing... :-)

 This is the thread that never ends

 It goes on and on and on, my friends...

 Someone started writing it not knowing what it was,

 and they'll continue writing it forever just because,

... because  because ... because ... because  be-cause ...

because of the wonderful things he does?

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Re: Max HDD size for G3 Clamshell

[Richard Gerome]

   I have an 80G in one of mine, but I think it might only be 125G??? I know 
this is the max in an old G4 Tower built around the same time period... I have 
followed them on ebay for yrs and never have seen one with higher then 120G... 




-Original Message-
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Sent: Oct 24, 2010 6:05 AM
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Subject: Max HDD size for G3 Clamshell

Does anyone know what the max internal HDD size is for a G3 Clamshell
366 mhz/FW400?   I can't seem to find an answer online.

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Re: Max HDD size for G3 Clamshell

[Richard Gerome]

   I kind of figured that was the case or someone would have put a bigger one 
in it I'm sure... 




-Original Message-
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Sent: Oct 24, 2010 3:38 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Max HDD size for G3 Clamshell


On Oct 24, 2010, at 7:06 AM, Richard Gerome wrote:

 I have followed them on ebay for yrs and never have seen one with  
 higher then 120G...

120 GB was the largest physical drive made, although the software  
supports a drive up to 131,072 MB (128 GB).


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Re: Max HDD size for G3 Clamshell

[Richard Gerome]

Hey John,
   Can it be done on a Clamshell??? 




-Original Message-
From: John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com
Sent: Oct 24, 2010 3:56 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Max HDD size for G3 Clamshell


On Oct 24, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Peter Haas wrote:

 
 On Oct 24, 2010, at 7:06 AM, Richard Gerome wrote:
 
 I have followed them on ebay for yrs and never have seen one with higher 
 then 120G...
 
 120 GB was the largest physical drive made, although the software supports a 
 drive up to 131,072 MB (128 GB).
 
I have an ATA/IDE 160 GB in a TiBook 500 I use speed tools to over come the 
128 GB limit. There are some open firmware commands that are supposed to it it 
but I was never able to make that method work for me :-)

http://www.speedtools.com/ATA6.html


John Carmonne
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Re: Interesting Vintage Website

[Richard Gerome]

 The only computer from Radio Shack that I remember was the "Tandy Apple Clone" ... Never knew they made others too???-Original Message-
From: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio 
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Subject: Re: Interesting Vintage Website

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Jeff Bequette jbeque...@tconl.com wrote:

What were the HDs for the Apple and early (Plus, SE, etc.) Macs?

The Commodore computers? The ADAM Home Computers? I wonder because I have a Commodore Plus/4 and a C=64 as well as an old ADAM Home Computer. I know the ADAM took tapes but I heard it could use an HD as well (never investigated this so maybe it was akin to Vaporware)

_Amigas at first had no HD. But expensive adapters soon emerged.They took for the most part SCSI which was later built in to some models. ISA and Zorros slots could run IDE cards. HDs were very expensive. My first used A500 bought in 1993 had a 40 MB in a big box that housed the interface also. and also had a RAM expansion in between the HD and the console. Ungainly but not bad when you got used to it. Then models with slots came. There are even USB adapters now.

A so called COmmodore 64 is reemrging. A console PC really.Tandy/Radio Shack models called CoCos ( Color Computers ) used tape drives. I think it is only in the last ten years their adherents have developed drive interfaces.

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Re: IS the world about to change ?

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Hey Wallace, Well said!!! I started out with a 1993 Performa 475 I bought used in 1996, it had a modoem you had to put your phone on to get online back then and sometimes it would take as long as 3hrs... I wasn't able to get a new one till Sears closed out their Apple Computers and sold them for 1/2 price in 2001 I bought my first and only brand new G3 366 Indigo Clamshell, paid $1100 after taxes for it and I am still using it after reworking it to get it to run Tiger now!!! I bought a used G4 1G processor and 1G memory TiBook in 2008 for $300 in a little beatup condition from craigslist and after checking ebay for parts to bring it back to new condition and tricking it out with faster HD and Super Dive and brandnew screen for another $225 I am almost ready to run Leopard on it, I just got a Disc tonight for $20 but I think I will run Tiger for as long as I can before I install it!!! The Clamshell, I use out on the road in coffee shops and such and it still atracts a lot attn from people and they can't believe I'm running Tiger in it and using my Sprint Broadband even though Sprint says I need 750 processor, it only has 466mhz with 576mb!!! Us poor people have to get creative and keep them going, I have some serious health issues and the computer has helped me out a lot with them for the past 11yrs so I will do what ever I can to surf the net!!!  Thanks to this group and other web surfing I can do a lot with my old computers now!!! One thing I have learned about the Apple people today is they are starting to use there technoligy like a drug (Tech Pushers)... My computer is not a toy like others with their iPhones, iPods, iPod Touches and iPads... How can they go online with one of them anyway??? I can't even see the screens let alone whats on them...P.S. Oh yeah my car is 22yrs old with almost 350,000 miles on it with original eng and trans!!! Still gets me all over the country pulling a 19' 1966 Avion camper!!!-Original Message-
From: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio 
Sent: Oct 22, 2010 11:22 AM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
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On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:48 PM, glen glenst...@yahoo.com wrote:





From: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com

When you have done it all your life, " make dos", work arounds, Goldberg and McGivering get very old and tiresome. PCs promise a lot and deliver headaches whether 'Nux or Winslowz. I am tired , tired, tired i say. ( and the shouting masses behind me) I want an affordable mac that will do the job and be upgradeable in increments as I can afford them. 

At one time a used 7xoo filled that need. but the old clunker hasn't the horsepower to pull the tall gears of modern software even slowly.And saying it again for the upteenth time, Apple now actively working to break the balls of even much more recent machines demoralizes troupes more well heeled than I. so what chance do I have?

Being poor does not seem to translate well even on Low End Mac pages ( If they are so poor why do they have or want computer? (TO USE AS TOOLS TO MAKE MONEY SO THEY WONT BE SO DAMNEDLY POOR ! THAT'sWHY !) [apologies to the sensitive. But one needs to shout when communications are not heard.

LOW END to me means poor.People too poor to afford new computers.People too poor to afford costly repairs.People too poor to listen to the more affluent dismiss their needs.If poor is not translatable then NEW END Mac would be a good place rather than being tortured by the rants of the relatively indigent.

Fear Apple? That is not the subject. Asking Apple for some GD slack is more like it. Asking The Steve for a crumb from the table. Appealing to his beginnings.Get it ?-- 

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Re: Where is Flash 10.1

[Richard Gerome]

   I have the same problem too, I downloaded it a few times and I can not find 
it anywhere??? 




-Original Message-
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Subject: Where is Flash 10.1

I'm running 10.4.11 on G4 Mini

Every time Firefox updates it tells me I must update Flash Player NOW.
So I download and install Flash Player 10.1
but where does it go?

I have Macromedia Flash 8 installed and in the sub folder Players
SAFlashPlayer appears and it appears again in the sub-sub-folder
Release. Who two I don't know.
This is the player that opens when I click on a .swf file. and it is
vs 8.

Spotlight turns up nothing.

I read Dan's Feb post regarding the beta 10.1 with all the
recommendations and caveats, but
I haven't noticed any significant problems with web sites etc.

So I guess I can live with vs 8 or perhaps download vs 9, but can't
help wondering where 10.1 goes when the installer seems to finish
fine.

Advise appreciated.

Cliff

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Re: IS the world about to change ?

[Richard Gerome]

 Hey Brian, I agree with you on that it is cool but: why is it we can't still run our old machines too without more trouble whenever they come out with faster and better stuff??? I don't care if it's slower I just want to do what I always did... They force us to buy the newer stuff by making our older stuff run worse... I have a friend with an old TiBook running Panther who can't use it anymore and he can not afford to upgrade it to Tiger and get few more yrs out of it... He lives in South America and I've been looking for a Tiger disc and more memory for him cheap enough for me to afford and mail it to him so we can still stay in touch by emails and Scipe (mailing him letters would prob take a week from the USA) and by then the news up here to him is too late... Not only are some of us retired and living on fixed incomes some of us had to file for bankruptcy and are not making anything at all... In his case he lost his home and business and had to move back with his relatives down there... Us poor people always have to suffer and get creative just to keep up... Today you need a computer to get a job because they are now online... They don't even hire you now because they do a credit check too ("hey I'm here for a job not a loan") I got into this credit problem because of loosing my job in the first place... WTF is this all about???-Original Message-
From: Brian Christmas 
Sent: Oct 21, 2010 5:40 AM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IS the world about to change ?

On 21/10/2010, at 7:51 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote:

Lion ?
---It looks like my one word post and simple title question have hit some nerves.

Money talks and BS does not want to pay to play ( or cannot afford to ) I would step up and buy the stuff if I could afford it Steve. But you who introduced home computers at an affordable price have lost sight of those of us with modest or even less than modest means.

And your media hype rant against Android still seems way out of character for a phone hacker who now evidently does not think consumers should buy phones they can hack themselves to their own need. Are we going back to the " you can have it in any color as long as it is what we want to sell " days? ( more on that in the LEMlist group)

But yes the world needs great computers like the Mac still. But wringing the pockets of users ? How long can that be sustained in a bad economy ? Boutique brand for elitists. Or affordable tools for everyone. What will it be Steve ?

Perhaps some control is needed to make everything work correctly. But it is looking like Apple profit is the motive rather than quality for the user when every aspect of the market has to be micromanaged.And how long will the new stuff be good for. I'm still saving for the G5 I could not afford 5 years ago. And those with G5s are crying because their machines are sitting on shelves next to 7200s albeit with much more hopeful price tags.

Can the low end consumer ( who needs a reliable machine that is not maddening more than anyone ) ever get a break from Apple ? 'That $ 500 mid tower anywhere near release date ?I think it's time to ditch the G machines and support Steve by buying iPads. It's the closest thing many here will ever get or afford of the current Apple experience. 

I sm going to hurry to do this because in six months the new OS for that will come out. And a year from then the version after that won't run on the my year old iPad.That planned obsolescence idea is really ramping up faster these days. It must be good for business.G'day AdrianUnfortunately obsolescence is a fact of life in the electronics industry, even tho it's not planned.It's basically bought about by the inquiring minds of talented people that love to invent new things; in our case, it's advances in processors, memory, communication (in it's many varied forms), programming, storage, and perhaps information control (if we let it). With these advances, the older hardware just can't cut the mustard, and the gaps seem to be constantly shrinking.My heart bleeds for those of us who can't, for one reason or another, keep up with the immediate advances, but I constantly remind myself that I'm glad the world of computers did not freeze up with the advent of my old Apple IIe. I'm lucky enough that I own an intel 24" iMac, but I'm ashamed to say I lustfully look at the new i7 27" iMacs, mainly cause some graphics I'm trying to write for an iPad app are too slow rendering on my core 2 duo. I'm lucky; I earn a small amount programming for Macs, that as a retiree keeps my family in iMacs. If I had to justify my requirements to my other halfs requirements only, I'd still own my old 1.8 G5, running 10.3, and my kids would own Windblown PC's (shudder). Pity the PC users still stuck with XP, or the graphics heavy version of it, 

Re: Camino

[Richard Gerome]

 I've been using "Flock" on my G4 Titanium Powerbook running Tiger and it is working pretty good!!! It's like a cross between Camino and FireFox (best of both)!!!-Original Message-
From: Stephen Conrad 
Sent: Oct 5, 2010 1:31 AM
To: g3-5-list 
Subject: Camino

I see it doesn't like a lot of windows openI think I had 5 and none had more than 6-7 tabs (I had each page as a group of similar tabs)It kept showing the Application Not Responding (when I right clicked the icon)
So, of the 3 browsers I still use (FF, Safari and Camino) none are without flaws*sighs* Will they ever get better?-- Steve ConradHenrietta, MO 64036"The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space."
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Re: I just bought a Powermac G4 dual 800

[Richard Gerome]

 I say Apple's stock is high enough... Soup them up instead till you can't make them faster and keep up with the times anymore!!!-Original Message-
From: Jonas Ulrich 
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Subject: Re: I just bought a Powermac G4 dual 800

Yeah those G4 towers rock. And there is a lot you can do to increase the performance.-Jonas



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Re: Digital Audio won't boot os9

[Richard Gerome]

   I've been having the same problem too... I think you can not do a dual boot 
on Panther and higher it will only work with Jaguar and back??? I have a retail 
copy of OS 9.2.2 that came with my first version of OS 10 and it won't work and 
all these machines did run them at one time before I upgraded to Tiger... 



-Original Message-
From: Timothy ducati900fe...@gmail.com
Sent: Sep 24, 2010 1:26 PM
To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Digital Audio won't boot os9

Hello list,
I have a Digital Audio DP533mhz that I want to play old games on, and
use old adobe software, pretty much use as a toy, I have a g5 and a
macbook pro so I don't need the thing, but I really want to go back to
the old days of my imac once in a while.

I cannot boot into os9.  I have a generic retail 9.2.1 cd that I have
tried to install and it almost works.  I have installed os9, didnt't
work so I replaced the System Folder with the one from the 9.2.1
install cd, and opened it to bless it, but when I restart as I press
the option key it offers the hard drive system folder as a boot option
then tries to boot, reboots and goes into Panther.

1. I have an Adaptec card that has the 2 hard drives, one on each bus,
both are cable select and format fine but
2. They are both over 200 gig.  That isn't the problem is it?  The
card allows for big drives, and is why I got it.
3. It boots from the retail cd fine.
4. I got the computer off ebay and I don't have the original install
cds, but places like
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1835
say that 9.2.1, which is written on my retail cd, is supported.
5. 10.3 works great on one of the hard drives, I want os9 solo on the
other one and thought it would make it easier.
6. Classic works fine, I tried opening the system folder on the os9
drive in classic to bless it for when it boots off the hard drive but
it didn't work.  It would change the system folder form a regular
folder to one with a smile face on it, but it would boot from the os9
drive for a second then reboot right away into osx.
7. I tried using the sudo bless -folder9 .../path... -use9 or -
setBoot  from inside osx and it didn't work.
8. I reset the pram a bunch of times.

Any ideas?

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Re: Picked up as Macbook install CDs today how do I determine what systems it will install on?

[Richard Gerome]

   There should be a date on them, this should give you an idea what was out at 
the time, what it would work in... I could only tell you about the PPC's what 
they should work on but I don't know anything about the Intel Mac's...




-Original Message-
From: Dark_Mac darkwall...@fightfor.org
Sent: Sep 18, 2010 5:00 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Picked up as Macbook install CDs today how do I determine what 
systems it will install on?

Hi All,

I was out today, I was able to pick you complete in the gray box a  
set of Macbook installs CDs.  I have tried searching on Apple's site  
using the numbers on the CDs, on the CD sleeve their in and even one  
on the box and to no avail.  Can some point me to a site that will  
let me know what all systems these will install on.  I want to post  
them for sale on the LEM SWAP list but I wanted to be able to tell  
the buyers what they work with.

# on box is 603-8520-A
# on sleeve is 2Z603-8521
# on CD disk 1 is 2Z691-5788-A

Thanks for your help in advance.

Regards,
Dark_Mac

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Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!

[Richard Gerome]

   I hooked up this G4 Power Mac M5183 that I've been working on to the HP 
w2338h Monitor with the original video card that came with the Tower when new, 
my first boot the resolution was 1440x900 @ 59 Hertz (it was calibrating on 
boot) then we shut it down and rebooted and it calibrated again, now it's up to 
1920x1080 @ 60 Hertz and that is max for this monitor and it's full screen 
too... I am wondering if this is good or could this ruin the monitor or video 
card??? 
   Another question I have is I went to install my OS 9.2.2 retail disc and it 
wouldn't work (it worked with Jaguar???) So I downloaded OS 9 Netboot but it 
only runs classic, she can't boot into OS 9 from the Startup Disc in System 
Preferences, now she has the original OS 9.1 install disc and the restore disc 
if I run these will it erase Tiger??? She is really very happy with it so far 
and thanks everyone here who help me do this!!! Right now she is switching the 
monitor cable from HP PC Tower to Power Mac Tower and we are looking for a 
switch box so she doesn't have to do this in the future...   




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Re: Graphic Cards Compatibility with M5183 Digital Audio but back of computer looks like AGP Graphics set up

[Richard Gerome]

   I got one of those video cards but mine is the 5200 and it won't work it has 
to be flashed on a PC... I have the same machine too a Power Mac G4 M5183... 
Did the one you have come out of a Mac??? If so it probably already was flashed 
so I would say it would work... 



-Original Message-
From: Aerendel jimwelling...@gmail.com
Sent: Sep 16, 2010 11:19 AM
To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Graphic Cards Compatibility with M5183 Digital Audio but back of 
computer  looks like AGP Graphics set up

Will a EVGA (brand) nVidia GeForce 6200 LE (8x AGP card work with a
M5183 (digital Audio?) (the back panel looks like AGP Graphics set
up)

Most problems are weird, but, Somebody donated an older Mac G4 to the
local museum here. I'm on the Museum Board of Directors and people
think I'm a mac genius because I kept their beige G3 alive and running
their slide show for years.

The donated Mac 4 has a toasted video card (It's at the museum and I'm
not, so I can't find the model number, but...) I put the AGP Rage 16MB
VRAM card from my work horse M5183 (with a 1.4 GHz processor) into
that computer and *it* works fine. But when I tried to use the PCI
card that is still inside the M5183 and connect to the internet, it
lasted about 5 minutes and shot half a zillion error messages across
the screen I rebooted tiwce, and this happened again, both times. I
took a photo of the error message filled screen on the final crash,
but the camera's flash went off and it's really tough reading that, I
could probably spend some time copying all the numbers for you and
post them here if that would do any good. But I think the bottom line
is it crashed due to a memory conflict with the ethernet card. (that's
my best guess)

So I decided to try to get a new AGP Video card for the M5183. There
is a store on eBay that has 8 GeForce4 TI 4600 128 MB VRAM cards left
for 89.50 U$ plus shipping each. I went into my friendly neighbourhood
computer store and the guy there can get me the 6200 LE card for
$69.00 (and no shipping charges) but it is an 8x card and further
research says it should work as long as I don't boot into OS9.2.2
which I need to do every now and then, but I can probably run a VGA
monitor off the other card, as long as I'm not connected to the
ethernet/internet.

But does anybody know if the 6200 LE is one of those magic cards that
is backward compatible with 2x/4x AGP slots (it has the three part
insertion connectors, so it will fit in place, but---)

Thanks,

-Jim (Aerendel)

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Re: Won't boot after G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades???

[Richard Gerome]

   I think you can also use a PCI Video card too??? I did this in my daughters 
Compaq Pesario when she lost her video... I took one out of a parts tower I got 
her and that one didn't work either so I figured it was the AGP slot that went 
bad??? So I bought a PCI gamers card and got it back up and running!!! So I'm 
thinking I can flash this one on her Tower if it will see it??? Even though the 
slot might be bad she still had some sort of video going just a little 
distorted??? Or maybe I can take out her PCI card and put it in the G4 Power 
Mac and flash it in there or put it in her 2006 Dell (I think this is a sever? 
It is twice the size of the average PC towers I have seen) if it has an AGP 
slot??? 
   Hey Jim, About those pictures you want to attch, I don't think you should 
send them out on this thread maybe just send them to each person who would want 
to see them, to their personal emails (you can send them to me if you want) but 
ask everyone else first... Besides I think just posting the kind of video card 
it is would be good enough... 




-Original Message-
From: Aerendel jimwelling...@gmail.com
Sent: Sep 10, 2010 1:38 PM
To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Won't boot after G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades???

I'm having a similar problem. Or I did. I tried to put in a pci
graphics card. Oooops. Looking at the back of the G4 - the
configuration is for AGP graphics. I had a spiffy AGP graphics card w/
256 MB of Video Ram. But it wouldn't fit into the AGP graphics slot.
now it boots and works, but it only has 16 MB of VRAM. I'm looking for
a card that fits. Should I take nice steady pictures with a tripod and
upload them to here somewhere?

-Jim

=

On Sep 9, 10:28 pm, Matt Rhinesmith platni...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hey Matt, I am in the process I trying to figure this out and you might be 
  right, the only thing with this link is the card they show is red and mine 
  is green... I will figure it out, and I will try to flash this on my 
  daughters old PC Tower if that needs to be done... I do love a challenge 
  though!!! Splitting the 250g HD and getting the computer to read it will 
  be the last thing I do...

 Well, first of all, the color of the card doesn't matter at all. It's purely 
 cosmetic. Second of all, I believe there is an OpenFirmware command that 
 will allow you to read/write to a 128 GB or more drive. However, I don't 
 know much about that, so I couldn't tell you how to do it. Maybe some other 
 listers could tell you.

 Matt



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Re: New install of OS 10.4 on G5 iMac

[Richard Gerome]

   Hey the Genius Bar at the Apple Store is free, it's only if they have to 
send it to back Techs will they charge you!!! I took my Clamshell once because 
I couldn't get it to work on dailup and they spent 45 mins on it and no charge 
and just a few weeks ago I took my Titanium Powerbook because it over heated 
and I couldn't find the reset button and once again no charge!!! And these were 
to different stores: one was in King of Prussia, PA and the other was in Tampa, 
FL...


Ugh.  I dread the thought of going to the Apple store.  It's a 2 hour
drive and it is ALWAYS crawling with people.  The Genius Bar is ALWAYS
behind schedule, and I just am not all that interested in losing 5-6
hours of my day AND having to pay Apple for that privilege.

CCC is Carbon Copy Cloner?  What is a TDM?  I'm not up on all these
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Re: Won't boot after G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades???

[Richard Gerome]

   Ok I got everything up and running now but I still can not get the video 
card to work, the computer won't even boot up... The video card I got for it is 
a: PNY Tech Inc GeForce FX5200 DDR 128mb I tried running the disc that came 
with it and there isn't any download for the Apple only PC's, how do I get this 
to work??? I know there is a way because so many of you told me about it and 
the guy I got it from told me it would work too but he didn't know how to do 
it... It only cost me $15 so it's not a lot of money... The booklet I got says 
something about plugging in one of those cords in the tower that are in all the 
drives but there is no place for one one the card?? I'm thinking maybe the 
FX6200 needs to be plugged in??? I am totally lost any help would be greatly 
appreciated, I'm almost done with this for my friend and she is very excited 
about it so far!!!
  Also another thing was partitioning this 250g HD into 2 125g??? It read 128g 
and when I split it, it slpit up the 128 into 2 64's so I just left it 128 and 
single for now... It is a 250g 7200rpm PATA HD... I'm sure I could save 
everything that I did and split it later??? I'm also going to plug in her orig 
30g because of the extra plugs for it as soon as I find some screws for it...





On Sep 7, 2010, at 4:40 PM, Richard Gerome wrote:

   No the only things I changed were the hard drive, DVD/CD super drive, more 
 memory, video card and an airport card... Used a 250G 7200rpm PATA hard 
 drive instead of the PCI card with a SATA drive... The CPU would be a 
 processor upgrade which I didn't do, it is still the old 466mhz, this was 
 the next thing but later down the road... I've been thinking about putting 
 all the old stuff back in and doing the hard drive last, but this doesn't 
 make sense to me because I basically did the same thing to my powerbook 
 without any trouble...

Well of all the things, the most likely to cause 'no turning on at all' would 
be the video card or the memory, or even more likely accidentally 
disconnecting some part of the power supply when doing all the aforementioned 
changes...

Double-chceck and reset all the connections, then start rolling back parts. 
Slow and tedious but debugging hardware is that way.

There was the time I discovered some really weird problems in my PM7600 were 
from *mixing* some of the RAM I had in there. That was a world-class PITA to 
find...

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University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
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Won't boot after G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades???

[Richard Gerome]

   Hey everyone!!! I got all the new stuff in this computer (a lot easier then 
laptops) and now the computer won't even boot up??? Is this machine the one 
that is known for the power button going bad??? I had this running last month 
without any problems... I am borderline of putting all the old stuff back in 
just to see if it boots up then??? But before I do that what else should I 
do??? I checked the voltage on the battery and it reads 3.556 volts (a little 
low) and I pushed the reset button by the battery too and held it for a count 
of 20 and still won't boot??? I even pushed the ones under the power button 
too... I even plugged in the old hard drive and still nothing??? Any ideas??? 
Thank you very much for all your input from before!!! 

P.S. I don't think I should have done one thing at a time and booted after each 
one??? I didn't have to do that to my G4 Titanium Powerbook and got it up and 
running without a problem after replacing the hard drive, DVD/CD and LCD 
Display...

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Re: Won't boot after G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades???

[Richard Gerome]

   No the only things I changed were the hard drive, DVD/CD super drive, more 
memory, video card and an airport card... Used a 250G 7200rpm PATA hard drive 
instead of the PCI card with a SATA drive... The CPU would be a processor 
upgrade which I didn't do, it is still the old 466mhz, this was the next thing 
but later down the road... I've been thinking about putting all the old stuff 
back in and doing the hard drive last, but this doesn't make sense to me 
because I basically did the same thing to my powerbook without any trouble...




-Original Message-
From: Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu
Sent: Sep 7, 2010 6:03 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Won't boot after G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades???


On Sep 7, 2010, at 2:46 PM, Richard Gerome wrote:

   Hey everyone!!! I got all the new stuff in this computer (a lot easier 
 then laptops) and now the computer won't even boot up??? Is this machine the 
 one that is known for the power button going bad??? I had this running last 
 month without any problems...

Sorry, I've not been keeping track of this thread, but if one of the upgrades 
was a CPU upgrade, did you make sure the firmware was up-to-date?

This one bit me when I updated the CPU on my (similar) gigabit ethernet. I had 
to put the old CPU back in (and then find a disk to install OS 9 on to boot 
from, because the updater doesn't run under OS X...)

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Re: Won't boot after G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades???

[Richard Gerome]

   Thanks Bruce, it was the video card swapped in the old one and will download 
the OS to the new HD and then download the disc that came with the video card 
then put the new one back in and hope it will boot up then... Very cool!!! 
Thanks again!!!




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Subject: Re: Won't boot after G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades???


On Sep 7, 2010, at 4:40 PM, Richard Gerome wrote:

   No the only things I changed were the hard drive, DVD/CD super drive, more 
 memory, video card and an airport card... Used a 250G 7200rpm PATA hard 
 drive instead of the PCI card with a SATA drive... The CPU would be a 
 processor upgrade which I didn't do, it is still the old 466mhz, this was 
 the next thing but later down the road... I've been thinking about putting 
 all the old stuff back in and doing the hard drive last, but this doesn't 
 make sense to me because I basically did the same thing to my powerbook 
 without any trouble...

Well of all the things, the most likely to cause 'no turning on at all' would 
be the video card or the memory, or even more likely accidentally 
disconnecting some part of the power supply when doing all the aforementioned 
changes...

Double-chceck and reset all the connections, then start rolling back parts. 
Slow and tedious but debugging hardware is that way.

There was the time I discovered some really weird problems in my PM7600 were 
from *mixing* some of the RAM I had in there. That was a world-class PITA to 
find...

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Re: G4 with no chime but instead folder with ?

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 Try holding down: the shift key and the P+R when you boot it up and see if this fixes it??? If not you might have to download the OS or do a clean and reinstall??? I used to run into this with my Clamshells once in a great while after running them for months on end, then one day that folder with ? shows up... I always did a clean and reinstall till one day I read about zapping the pram which is what the shift+P+R is about...From: John Martz zjo...@yahoo.comTo: g3-5-list@googlegroups.comSent: Thursday, 26 August, 2010 6:33:08Subject: G4 with no chime but instead folder with ?On Aug 25, 2010, at 8:33 PM, Robert Long texasche...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello group, I got a G4 and tonight I plugged it in to
 see if it will work. No chime but a screen with a folder and a ? then a happy face. Not the mac face. Any ideas. I am not too hep on this stuff. If it doesn't have a fatal problem or such I would like to get it up and running.Hopefully someone who actually knows something about G4s will respond.Are you sure that (1) there is a hard drive in your system and (2)that the drive contains a bootable install of OS X? The folder with a? I would guess might be an icon to indicate "no file system" ...perhaps?-irrational johnIrrational John is perfectly rational - and correct. That is indeed what this means. The chime tells you its initial hardware test has deemed all to be OK, and the folder with the ? means it can't find a file system from which to boot.The chime by the way, doesn't mean it's checked for the presence of a hard
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Re: Mini G4 10.4.11 ViewSonic monitor resolution

[Richard Gerome]

   I think something is wrong with this google site???



-Original Message-
From: Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net
Sent: Aug 21, 2010 11:55 AM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mini G4 10.4.11  ViewSonic monitor resolution

Why are we getting this message 5 times?




On Aug 20, 2010, at 8:16 PM, Cliff Rediger wrote:

 On Aug 18, 1:52 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu
 wrote:

 Try your wife's Acer monitor on the Mini, if you can...

 that's a good idea Bruce. I'll try that next time I'm down in Santa
 Barbara.

 On Aug 18, 5:25 pm, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote:
 Open Display Preferences, with resolution set to 1920 x 1080  click
 on the Options tab.  If it's there try clicking on the Overscan check
 box.

 Clark, I don't see an options tab in the 10.4.11 Display Preferences
 and yes I'm using DVI-DVI.

 On Aug 18, 2:33 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote:

 The problem isn't with the display, the problem is with the G4
 Mini's video card, it has a limitation that isn't common or well
 known

 Your argument is compelling Kris.
 View Sonic finally responded with a list of acceptable resolutions.
 1600 x 1200 @ 60 Hz fills the screen but looks unacceptably stretched.
 VS sent me to their online driver download site, but no mac driver was
 listed
 The setup disc asked for one's OS, so presumably loaded the available
 driver.
 VS suggested I upgrade my videocard driver.

 The ResEdit option seems beyond my skill set.

 Anyway, I can live with the front and back doors until I can upgrade
 the Mini.
 In a couple of days I won't even notice them.

 The thing that will require far more adaptation is the tiny MenuBar
 font in the Finder MenuBar and in App MenuBars.
 Wandering around Google, I find others with the same, apparently
 unresolvable complaint.

 In most apps and browsers I can enlarge the Window fonts, but not the
 MenuBar
 Wonder if there's a hack for that? Maybe I'll have to become adept
 with the SwitchResX option afterall.
 I know there are customise-your-MenuBar apps but I don't see one that
 allows for Font size modification.

 And the really big problem is Quicken 2005, which does not seem to
 allow for Window Font size enlargements.
 I wonder if later versions do?  Otherwise, I'm going to have to
 getcomputer eye glasses.
 Or it might even drive me back to my Dell 19.

 As always, everyone's kind attention and expert assistance is greatly
 appreciated.

 Cliff

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Re: Install script for fresh OS install?

[Richard Gerome]

   Hey this links are pretty cool!!! I wish I knew that when I was redoing 
those computers... I always used the user name as Apple Computer and set up 
the password as whatever OS I used like: jaguar or tiger so I could download 
all the updates and software without any trouble, then the user could just go 
in and change the password if they wanted... Thanks for that info!!! Cool!!!




-Original Message-
From: Dana Collins dlcatft...@verizon.net
Sent: Aug 3, 2010 1:11 AM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Install script for fresh OS install?

On 8/3/10 1:07 AM, Dana Collins of dlcatft...@verizon.net sent

 
 On Aug 2, 10:38 pm, DLC dlcatft...@verizon.net wrote:
 Greetings all,
 I hope my description is accurate to the point that it rings a bell. I
 do remember this being briefly chatted up on this list, but I can't
 come up with the correct syntax to register a winning query. Here
 goes:
 etc
 
 I seem to recall a little utility script that one runs to make this
 so, or a start-up preference that needs deleting.
 Does this make sense, or ring a bell with anyone? If so, let me know.
 
 Thanks in advance for any input.
 Best regards,
 Dana
 
 On 8/2/10 11:58 PM, JoeTaxpayer of joetaxpaye...@gmail.com sent
 
 That will happen on its own, with a new install. I just did some drive
 swaps, and wanted to made a new one the main OS drive, so I started
 from scratch. Big welcome screen and all.
 
 Hi Joe,
 Thanks for the response. Yes, I know that, a fresh install provides the
 welcome procedure.
 I just wanted the new user to experience the same thing after I had finished
 with the updates. Maybe not..?
 Thanks again,
 Dana
 


Ah, I think THIS was what I was thinking of:

http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=2009072008431183

And this:

http://ksbarnt.com/Clean_Install_App/Clean_Install_App.html


Regards,
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Re: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!

[Richard Gerome]

   Ok I found this hard drive on ebay for $75 with the shipping: 7200rpm 250GB 
Maxtor HARD DRIVE Apple Power Mac iMac G4|eMac... Is this a good drive for the 
money and can I split it into 2 125g partitions??? I have someone else sending 
me all the details for a simular one for $79.95... I will post that info when I 
get it... Thanks again everyone!!!




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From: Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net
Sent: Jul 28, 2010 12:27 AM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!

   
   Once again for anyone who doesn't know the computer is G4 Power Mac M5183 
 tower and keyboard she doesn't have the monitor... On the back it has 1-AGP 
 slot, 4-PCI slots, 2-USB's 2-FireWire 400's, 3 slots for memory (and I 
 already know the max is 1.5g (3-512's) ram... The computer was built around 
 July 2002 it has a 466mhz processor, 896mb (1-128mb/1-256mb/1-512mb), ATI 
 rage 128 pro video card, 30G 5400rpm IBM Deskstar HD (March 2001), Sony CD-RW 
 CRX140E, IOMEGA ZIP 250... She has a HP 23 monitor (pretty new) from the PC 
 she is using now and would like to use this (so she can switch back and forth 
 from Apple tower to PC tower) depending on what she is working on... 
   I already bought a AGP PNY Tech NIVDIA GeForce FX 5200 128mb Video card and 
 an airport card together for $34 ebay, a Pioneer DVR-118LBK DVD/CD Writer for 
 $28 from NewEgg... I'm working on now 2-512mb someone I know is working on 
 getting for me... My biggest question is for the hard drive which way should 
 I go??? She has about $160 left to spend she told me she can go as high as 
 $200 total (but if I could get the rest for less this would be great) She can 
 probably move her work off to a external devise??? This is why I was leaning 
 towards a 128g max 7200rpm HD PATA instead of a SATA... Or would it be better 
 to go with a SATA PCI card and a SATA HD that is a 128g max 7200rpm??? This 
 is where I am stuck??? Also which way would be faster and how much faster???  
  Thank You everyone very much!!!   Rich   

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Re: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!

[Richard Gerome]

   Thanks for that info Andreas!!! I was planning on getting a new one... I 
also have another question can I keep the orig hard drive in there too (is 
there 2 plugs in the ribbon for them I didn't notice if there was)??? This way 
she can save stuff on that HD too... I don't know of any Prize Search Engs??? I 
use ask.com, google.com and yahoo.com and I come up with the same types of 
websites (ebay always comes up in everyone)... I bought 2 hard rives off 
someone from ebay for my clamshells and had very good luck with them and her, 
she had me return the first one with no questions and sent me a new one!!! It 
was my fault i didn't know it had to be formatted... I am planning on buying 
this one from her as soon as she gets back to me with the specs on the one for 
$79.95...
   I think HD's may be going bad is because of leaving the computer running all 
the time??? With my experience in knowing how things are made and the way they 
build them to fail after x-#'s of yrs, I wouldn't expect a HD to last that long 
but I am suprised that most of them do last that long??? After yrs of spinning 
and collecting dust and dirt any kind of bearing would ware out... The ones I 
replaced in my clamshells were not bad they were just too slow, so I cleaned 
them and sold them on ebay!!! 



-
Ok I found this hard drive on ebay for $75 with the shipping: 7200rpm
 250GB Maxtor HARD DRIVE Apple Power Mac iMac G4|eMac... Is this a good
 drive for the money and can I split it into 2 125g partitions??? I have
 someone else sending me all the details for a simular one for $79.95... I
 will post that info when I get it... Thanks again everyone!!!

Isn't there a prize search engine in the U.S. available?

Here in Germany+Austria/Europe we have a nice search site called geizhals.at 
(.de and .eu respectively). Searching for the cheapest 500 GB PATA drive:
Hitachi Deskstar P7K500 500GB (HDP725050GLAT80)
for around 60-65 EUR – that would be around 80 to 85 USD at the current rate.


When it comes to hard disk drives I have some rules I always follow:
1) *always* buy it _new_
2) buy it from a store where you will get a replacement if the drive should 
fail (when it is returned RMA to the manufacturer)
3) HDDs _will fail_ after 5 to 10 years. NEVER BUY USED DRIVES!

These are my rules, because I want to keep my files safe – and because of 
recent personal experiences.
I had a couple of HDDs (IDE=PATA, 7 to 12 years old) which all failed one 
after the other, some completely, others while I was reformating and 
reinstalling a fresh Mac OS X. The failures ranged from sector read failures 
(the least problem) to controller hardware failures to physical failures of 
the drive itself (rare, but happend with one drive). This tells me that these 
type of storage media only lasts 5 to 10 years and is very likely to fail 
thereafter. From 10 disks (4 of my own) 9 failed, and only one is still 
working. The one is 13 years old 30 GB original Apple from a G3 BW and I have 
a strange feeling every day because I expect it to fail anytime. This 
surviving drive was used when I got it. (Exception to the rule, so it seems.)


On the other hand, a drive will fail within the first year or doesn't fail at 
all within the already mentioned 5 to 10 years.



My advice to you: why not buy a drive at a local computer store? (if the prize 
is okay…)


And one other thing. For the partitions: make one, say 80 to 120 GB (I always 
use 80 GB, has always been well enough for my applications) for the operating 
system, and the rest for your individual files. That works well if you use the 
Open Firmware patch to support LBA-48. And helps to keep things tidy. (who 
wants to work with more than 2 paritions? seriously, who?) Just remember to 
put all your files on the second partition (and not in your users folder!).

http://4thcode.blogspot.com/2007/12/using-128-gib-or-larger-ata-hard-
drives.html



Whish you good luck with your project.
Cheers,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250




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Re: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!

[Richard Gerome]

   Can you swap out just the processor without changing the mother board??? 
Maybe after I get this up and running we'll see how much faster it is and go 
from there, if it is still too slow for her I will change out the processor 
then???




-
Hi Rich,

This is a 466mhz and the Model# M5183 how this got like this is beyond 
 me, (I figured it to be a 400, 450 or 500) it comes up when I click on 
 About This Mac 466mhz and 896mb

Maybe a processor swap then? Still weird, because only the Digital
Audio and newer have 3 RAM slots like yours. Anyway... you’re doing a
good job there.



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Re: Revisited: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!

[Richard Gerome]

Hey Geke,

   This is a 466mhz and the Model# M5183 how this got like this is beyond me, 
(I figured it to be a 400, 450 or 500) it comes up when I click on About This 
Mac 466mhz and 896mb and right now running Jaguar 10.2.8 (I put Jaguar in it a 
few yrs ago) she only had OS 9.2.1... I have a Tiger DVD and plan on upgrading 
it to Tiger when I get it all together... I think I am just going to put a 
60-120g 7200rpm PATA hard drive in it and not go with the SATA card and drive 
just to keep the cost down... So all I have left to get is 2-512mb's and 2.0 
USB (if she needs it) and the Hard Drive...



Hi Rich,

Sorry to harp on this again, but I’m sure you want to use your
friend’s money as efficiently as possible, and if 120GB is enough for
her right now, then why spend more. From the other posts I’m still not
clear if a bigger-than-128GB HD will work at all, even when
partitioned.
The two main bottlenecks on the computer you’ve got will be processor
speed and maybe USB1.1 speed.
(By the way, you didn’t explain how this model can be M5183 and the
processor speed 466MHz. This combination seems impossible to me.)

To put things in perspective, have a look at what’s going on ebay:
330454119075 is a MacMini G4 with 3x the speed of her present machine,
1GB RAM and 80GB HD. It has VGA so she can use it with the HP screen,
and DVI so she can upgrade to a nicer monitor any time. This item was
sold for 150 British Pounds, and it’s not the only one like that.

Cheers!



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Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!

[Richard Gerome]

   I found this on newegg for $55.00 do you think it would be good for this 
computer??? I can't seem to find any better deals on ebay and this is a new 
one... 
 Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 
3.0Gb/s 3.5 Internal Hard Drive... 
   Also I heard some mention about a SATA PCI card, will I still need to get 
this to make better improvement to this machine and will it help the HD too??? 
Thank You!!!   Rich





 Ok the computer was built around July 2002 it has a 466mhz processor, 896mb 
 (1-128mb/1-256mb/1-512mb), ATI rage 128 pro video card, 30G 5400rpm IBM 
 Deskstar HD (March 2001), Sony CD-RW CRX140E, IOMEGA ZIP 250... I think for 
 now all she needs to do is add 2 more 512mb cards, 7200rpm HD, probably 
 that SATA PCI card, and Tiger and I think she will be good to go??? If we 
 get everything used off ebay this should keep the price under $100, I 
 already have the Tiger disc... She has a HP 23 monitor from the PC she is 
 using now but I think she will have to change the video card to run that 
 monitor??? I'm not sure if this Gateway 2000 CrystalScan 16 I found will 
 be good enough though??? This is where I'm at with this right now and it's 
 up to her, I do not think she would even have a problem with spending $200 
 because she tells me she loves this machine!!! 


  I have a friend who has this G4 Power Mac M5183 tower and keyboard she 
 doesn't have the monitor, she wants to upgrade this machine to it's full 
 capacity and run Tiger 10.4.11 so she can do her web design work and it 
 needs to be dual boot OS9.2.2 too... She can't afford a new one and she is 
 frustrated with the PC she is now using... Anyone out there have any 
 ideas??? I know we need to max the memory and I don't know what the max 
 is... How about a HD what would be the best and the biggest to make it 
 faster??? How about upgrading the processor??? I haven't opened it up yet 
 to see what it has in it yet, but she wants to do everything she can to get 
 some more yrs out of it... As far as she knows it is still stock except 
 for maybe memory... I have heard some of you talk about the BW, Sawtooth, 
 Yikes, etc etc etc do you know what this one is???  Thank You!!! Rich 




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Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!

[Richard Gerome]

   Will the SATA work with the 500g SATA HD??? 1.5tb is way too big and the 
price is higher... I will buy the card if it's a better set up then the PATA 
drive... She wants to do web design with this machine...




-Original Message-
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Sent: Jul 26, 2010 1:58 PM
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Subject: Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!

On Jul 26, 12:39 pm, Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net
wrote:
    I found this on newegg for $55.00 do you think it would be good for this 
 computer??? I can't seem to find any better deals on ebay and this is a new 
 one...
      Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 
 3.0Gb/s 3.5 Internal Hard Drive...
    Also I heard some mention about a SATA PCI card, will I still need to get 
 this to make better improvement to this machine and will it help the HD 
 too??? Thank You!!!   Rich

Nice drive, ok price, not really. But wrong for the G4. You have a
PATA ready Mac.
It depends on what you want to do. Simplest is to buy a 500GB PATA
drive.
But- If you want most expansion - get a sata card and go with 1.5TB
sata drives.

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Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!

[Richard Gerome]

   The M5183 is the Model# that is on the back of the tower, this is why 
someone on here said it was a Sawtooth... I am more up on the iBooks and 
Powerbooks this is my first experience with a Power Mac... She used to use this 
for her web designing but it got too out dated I guess, but she still loves the 
machine and doesn't want to part with it... When I told her I could probably 
upgrade it she got excited, she knows some people who still own them and they 
told her the same thing but when she went to a place that used to fix it for 
her they told her it wasn't worth the money to do it for her... I'm doing it 
for nothing if she pays for the parts... I looking into a new HD for her 
instead, the memory I know is cheap... 





You’re welcome, Rich, that’s what the list is for. But you could have
made it a little easier for people if you had posted the model
correctly the first time.
If that Mac is really a Digital Audio, I’m still wondering from where
you got that M5183 spec?

I can’t advise you on optical drives or video cards--I just don’t have
enough experience.
But about that harddisk: wouldn’t it be better to get her a new one,
considering that it’ll be her system drive?
Except for lots of WD drives, here’s an interesting ebay offer:
110562634993 (it’s ATA-133)
Maybe other listers can comment what’s the importance of a drive’s
interface: does the Digital Audio have ATA-66? Still, I guess it’s no
harm putting in an ATA-100 or ATA-133 drive?
And is my understanding correct that you can use larger-than-128MB
drives without any tricks, as long as the partitions are all smaller
than 128MB?

RAM:
I think www.lowendmac.com is a good place to find info and also links
to the stuff you need. For example, I found this page through them:
http://www.ramseeker.com/memory/Power_Mac_G4_(PC133)-512mb/




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Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!

[Richard Gerome]

   Cool Geke, Thanks for that info!!! 
 I just got AGP PNY nVidia GeForce FX 5200 128 video card and an Airport 
Card for $32.00 off ebay, I am looking at a 2005 WD 160 7200rpm IDE 3.5 HD now 
for $45.00 total with the shipping! Is this HD too old (I heard the older ones 
failed)??? Also a Pioneer CD/DVD RW Burner Drive Writer DVR-118L for $40.00 
total with the shipping too!!! Does all this sound like a good deal??? Thank 
You everyone for your input!!! I still have to find the memory yet... 




Hi Rich,
Something's weird: You say the model number is M5183 (Sawtooth), but
the other info you give fits to a Digital Audio. Here's a good page
for specs and lots of links with upgrade tips:
http://www.lowendmac.com/ppc/digital-audio-power-mac-g4.html

I think the main thing to improve is the HD. Don't worry about the
size; you can partition them in chunks smaller than 120GB if
necessary.
Then you can install the system software and start using the computer.
While working, you'll see what else is needed. If it's actually a
466MHz Digital Audio with 896MB, it's the same model I have, and I can
tell you from experience that it runs Adobe DreamWeaver (CS3) under
10.4.11, not fast, but usable. Still, it would certainly be good to
upgrade the RAM to the maximum 1.5GB.

Be careful which RAM you buy: the modules should absolutely be low-
density, and most of what is offered is high-density. I learned the
hard way: One ebay-shop offered a 512MB stick labelled as low-
density (12$) and another labelled as universal low-density (30$).
When I asked them which to buy for my Mac, they advised the more
expensive one. Somehow I was too dense to understand that they were
fooling around with the descriptions, bought the cheaper module, and
sure enough, it didn't work.
So, if you can, try the module before buying it, because you may find
working ones for about 12-15$ (I did once); if you can't try them
first, play it safe and buy the more expensive ones.

For the harddisk, I don't know if you need SATA; I'm using IDE (pATA)
and have no problems.
I don't know if it's easy to find a SATA-card for this model. But if
it's similar to USB2-cards, beware: almost no card works properly!
(After searching around for some time, I just bought a new case for my
external harddisk: a model with both Firewire and USB-2 connections,
so it's fast on my computer and on others.)

I think the ATI rage 128 pro has two connectors: ADC, which works only
with some Apple monitors, and VGA, which works with almost all PC
monitors. So for starters, you can probably connect that HP screen.
But if it has a DVI connector, you'll want to buy another graphics
card. There are convertors from ADC to DVI, but they cost almost the
same as a graphics card. I'm quite happy with the ATI Radeon 9000 Pro
which I bought on ebay for about 40$; it has both ADC and DVI
connectors.

Good luck!

I have a friend who has this G4 Power Mac M5183 tower and keyboard she 
  doesn't have the monitor, she wants to upgrade this machine to it's full 
  capacity and run Tiger 10.4.11 so she can do her web design work and it 
  needs to be dual boot OS9.2.2 too...

Ok the computer was built around July 2002 it has a 466mhz processor, 
 896mb (1-128mb/1-256mb/1-512mb)



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G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!

[Richard Gerome]

   I have a friend who has this G4 Power Mac M5183 tower and keyboard she 
doesn't have the monitor, she wants to upgrade this machine to it's full 
capacity and run Tiger 10.4.11 so she can do her web design work and it needs 
to be dual boot OS9.2.2 too... She can't afford a new one and she is frustrated 
with the PC she is now using... Anyone out there have any ideas??? I know we 
need to max the memory and I don't know what the max is... How about a HD what 
would be the best and the biggest to make it faster??? How about upgrading the 
processor??? I haven't opened it up yet to see what it has in it yet, but she 
wants to do everything she can to get some more yrs out of it... As far as she 
knows it is still stock except for maybe memory... I have heard some of you 
talk about the BW, Sawtooth, Yikes, etc etc etc do you know what this one 
is???  Thank You!!! Rich 

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Re: IBM HDD clicking

[Richard Gerome]

   Hey John, do not worry about what your friend thinks, most people like him 
are just used to PC's and will never change... I know this girl who's PC took a 
crap and I tried to talk her into buying an Apple but she bought another PC 
because she couldn't afford an Apple, her new PC went down because of a virus 
and they wont cover it under the warranty (baring in mind this all happened 
within 2yrs) 2 PC's brand new with Vista and her last one with 7 she just 
bought a new Apple... What can I say??? I know so many PC users who have done 
the same thing (but not in that short of time) are still using PC's and still 
think Apples suck??? Creatures of habit I guess??? I still use my old clamshell 
after all these yrs, like the rest of you with your old machines too!!! 




I hate it when this happens this is a drive in one of my Cubes that I  
fire up once in a while mostly for fun and to keep updated. The darn  
thing had to fail when I was showing a friend one of my prized  
machines, He's a Windbloze user so I had to take some crapola on how  
great Sony's are. He doesn't understand that they also may have thses  
drives:-)

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my TiBook 500




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Re: Hello ! !

[Richard Gerome]

   I've heard of some people partitioning the HD and install Tiger 10.4.11 on 
it too because some software programs won't run with Leopard 10.5.8... 




-Original Message-
From: Chris House chrishous...@gmail.com
Sent: Jul 3, 2010 10:45 AM
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Subject: Hello ! !

I have recently become the owner of a 4 x 2.5 Ghz PowerPC G5 Mac.
Running os 10.5.8
Could anyone help me with advice on Java, there are some applications
that won't run on this machine at present, due, it seems to out of
date software. Is there any guide to the most up to date s/ware I can
run on this machine? If anyone could help with this  info it would be
greatly appreciated.

Thanks

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Re: I need networking help

[Richard Gerome]

 I think that is the problem??? Crossing between OS 9 and OS 10 won't work... -Original Message-
From: Mark Sokolovsky 
Sent: Jun 26, 2010 4:50 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I need networking help

Btw, any computer i have that runs Mac OS X can see it, but Mac OS 9 and earlier can't.--  Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth.



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Re: battery charging problem on powerbook g4

[Richard Gerome]

   I had the same problem with my Titanium Powerbook too, it's the 3rd party 
battery doesn't fit quite the same as the original battery... I put a few 
pieces of tape on the opposite side from where the contacts and latch are or 
the side where the 2 plastic lock pins are so it would hold it in tighter, add 
one piece of tape at a time till it stops doing it... I hope this works for you 
like it did for me??? 




-Original Message-
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Sent: May 18, 2010 5:49 PM
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Subject: battery charging problem on powerbook g4

hi there, i could use some help, if anyone has any brilliant ideas...
my  17 (1.67) powerbook isn't charging battery properly, it seems to
keep start and stop charging, as the info at upper right switches from
not charging battery to calculating time to full charge... i've
only had this cpu a few months, and was using old battery that only
lasted 20 minutes, so mostly was using adapter, but the battery would
charge ok when i depleted it. then last week i got a new 3rd party
battery, did the 'condition' thing: full charge, full drain, repeat
4-5 times, but then yesterday the screen started going very very dark
suddenly and battery did not seem to go past 8% (this is from what i
could tell when i restarted and screen stays bright for a few
minutes.). hooked it up to external screen which works for a minute or
so, then that screen goes black as well. so now using old battery
which has some charge but it's draining, as it tries to chrage then
stops, etc...
any ideas? much appreciated!
~demetrius

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Re: What was the last Mac to natively run OS 9?

[Richard Gerome]

   Natively through me off??? Then I'm not sure but I think it won't run with 
Leopard or Snow Leopard but it will with Tiger so I would say any computer that 
will run Tiger??? I think it's the OS that matters not the computer??? Any help 
here with this because I'm just guessing???



-Original Message-
From: coolr...@comcast.net
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To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What was the last Mac to natively run OS 9?

I want to know which was the last Mac to be able to boot into OS9  
regardless of what it shipped with. I think someone answered that  
though.

Rick

On May 14, 2010, at 12:05 AM, Richard Gerome wrote:



Are you asking when the last computer came out with ONLY OS 9  
 without OS 10??? Or when they stopped putting OS 9 in them??? If it  
 is the last with only OS 9 I would have to say maybe the end of  
 2000, because this is when I got it for my Clamshell when it first  
 came out it was OS 10 and the disc I got didn't have a name like  
 Puma or Jaguar...



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 Subject: What was the last Mac to natively run OS 9?

 The subject pretty much asks the question. Also, which Mac last
 shipped with OS9? Wad it a G4? G3?

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Re: They're dead, Jim...

[Richard Gerome]

   This is a great tip for your wire (nest) mess: Go to a auto parts store and 
get some ignition wire looms that snap open and shut... Reorganise those wires 
with the looms to keep them all separate from one another and the wires that 
are way too long fold them up and use some twist ties or wire ties around them, 
but do not fold up the display screen cord for this may cause a inductive 
voltage problem and mess up the picture (this happens when guys with the hot 
rods get engines and the computer and wire harness out of junk yards and the 
wire harness is too long so they would roll up the wire harness and wire tie it 
together, then the engine would run really bad and they wouldn't know why) with 
all those wires running through it and all the different voltages cause it to 
act like an ignition coil and increase the voltage... Some of you probably wont 
know what I'm talking about here but for those of you who do know, great!!! 
Just thought I would add this comment because I see so many people with this 
mess behind their computer desk... Maybe this could be some of the mysteries 
for some of the problems with computers messing up??? Sorry if this is off 
topic, needed to be told...

 


Well...apparently they're not dead after all. Thank goodness! Question 
though:  why would you get rid of the KVM? Would a different make/model 
of KVM switch be better somehow? (The one I have is an Iogear Miniview 
4-port.) Maybe next time I mess around in or near the Wire Nest I ought 
to shut down my Macs totally? Or do KVMs blow up computers?



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Re: What was the last Mac to natively run OS 9?

[Richard Gerome]

   Are you asking when the last computer came out with ONLY OS 9 without OS 
10??? Or when they stopped putting OS 9 in them??? If it is the last with only 
OS 9 I would have to say maybe the end of 2000, because this is when I got it 
for my Clamshell when it first came out it was OS 10 and the disc I got didn't 
have a name like Puma or Jaguar...



-Original Message-
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Subject: What was the last Mac to natively run OS 9?

The subject pretty much asks the question. Also, which Mac last  
shipped with OS9? Wad it a G4? G3?

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Re: What was the last Mac to natively run OS 9?

[Richard Gerome]

   I made a mistake it was the end of 2001 I got that OS 10 disc... So I would 
have to say the G3 iBooks and iMacs were the last to just come with OS 9 (or 
somewhere in the middle of the G3's before the G4's) then I think they started 
to come dual boot 9 and 10 with Classic after that but I couldn't tell you what 
models???




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To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: What was the last Mac to natively run OS 9?

The subject pretty much asks the question. Also, which Mac last  
shipped with OS9? Wad it a G4? G3?

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Re: But Mini, I don't HAVE a Bluetooth Mouse!

[Richard Gerome]

Hey Yersinia,
   I'm wondering if you ran a software update right before this happened??? If 
so they always bring up those blue tooth updates and I always delete them and 
what ever I do not use or need... If something does slip through I open up the 
HD and go to applications folder and delete anything in there I do not use or 
need... If you can change the settings for software updates to never check for 
them and do it manually do it???  You may have to do a clean and reinstall 
(make sure you save any files to a USB storage device or even an iPod if you 
have one), when it's done do your software updates manually even if you have to 
go to Apples website to find the right OS update in their archives (but I think 
you said your CD is 10.4.2 and that is what you are using?) if not and you 
can't run the latest OS 10.4.11, find the one you need in the archives from 
Apple's website... I'm thinking if you didn't run any software updates maybe 
someone else did and didn't tell you??? I always delete stuff out of my machine 
that I do not use because it frees it up and runs a little faster... There is a 
program out there too and it's free monolingual 1.3.9 to delete all the 
languages out that you don't use, when you run this program it takes a very 
long time to run so it removes a whole lot of languages (I never realized there 
were that many)... Sometimes it's just easier to do a clean and reinstall 
instead of spending hrs or days trying to fix it...




-Original Message-
From: ===( )8 yersi...@verizon.net
Sent: May 10, 2010 10:04 AM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: But Mini, I don't HAVE a Bluetooth Mouse!

Kris Tilford writes,

And why haven't you updated to 10.4.11?

My Quicksilver 867 DOES run 10.4.11. I bought the Mini SPECIFICALLY 
because it had 10.4.2 on it and included 10.4.2 system CDs, ON PURPOSE 
BECAUSE I WANTED IT to be my Sims Mac! 10.4.3 and up FRICKIN BOLLOXES 
The Sims Create-a-Sim, Wardrobe and Pet Adoption graphics, OK? It was 
buy the Mini with 10.4.2 or DOWNGRADE THE QUICKSILVER (which came with 
10.4.7 on it, then I updated it to 10.4.8, 10.4.9; I skipped the 10.4.10 
update but went to 10.4.11) -- because playing Sims on it with that 
graphics bolloxing had been DRIVING ME INSANE, and it's a royal pain in 
the butt to be rebooting from the Tiger drive just to make a new sim, or 
going back and forth to the iBook to do the same thing! Yes, that's the 
original Sims, not the newer Sims 2 or Sims 3 games -- I don't like the 
new versions (got to try Sims 2 at a friend's house, didn't like it and 
don't like what I saw of Sims 3 either). And for the zillionth time -- I 
DON'T WANT TO give up the old stuff, I ENJOY IT, remember?

I apologize to newer G-Listers for blowing up like this, but there's 
been this thing going on for years around here because I run older 
Macs and older OS's and do not want to upgrade because the older 
Macs/OS's do what *I* want to do with my computers. Yeah I was an OS 9 
diehard too and got kicked to OS X at all when I got the 
aforementioned 867 Quicksilver.


Thanks,

~Yersinia.



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Re: place to sell my old G4

[Richard Gerome]

   If it is a laptop ebay is not a bad choice... But a desktop would be too 
much for shipping charges and craiglists is probably a better choice...




-Original Message-
From: InSaNeBoY s...@macomber.com
Sent: May 7, 2010 3:15 PM
To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: place to sell my old G4

ok, I'm sick of LEM Swap's moderation garbage.can't even revise
lower pice and add more to a posting, than they give no way to try to
'appeal' the moderators whims,  just gives me a bounced message when I
try to email the list managers, than when I post to the group they
yell at me and tell me to send a message to the list managers(yeah,
catch 22!)

is eBay my only route?  or are there other mac sales lists/boards I
could post it?

-sam

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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[Richard Gerome]

   Didn't make any money... But I got 2 computers (one being my Ti Powerbook) 
out of it, both my daughters each got one and a some of my friends paid me for 
a few what I had in them and the rest that I got together and running I sold on 
ebay and pretty much got back what I paid for everything... Also I am allowed 
to make $800 a month without affecting my S.S, I could take a job for up to 9 
mons without affecting my S.S. just to see if I could work again and quit 
without any probs (I know some that do just this a lot too) How about 
Walmart they have a lot of people working for them on S.S.I. and S.S.D. and 
they get subsidized by our Gov to hire them and then Walmart takes out a life 
Ins policy on them a get money for when they die... It is not a business I am 
running... Check my ebay score onecoolkat72... I only did around 75 trans 
since 2002 and it's more buying then selling... I am not a power seller nor 
would I ever want to be... Ebay is a pain in the ass... Heres one for you I 
know some doctors who collect S.S. Disability and work as doctors in a foreign 
countries... Besides this is definitely off topic and really none of your 
business... This is more like therapy for me and I'm wondering what you would 
do if you were in my shoes??? Maybe I should do what some others do who are in 
my shoes, overdose on drugs and veg out in front of the tube??? What do you do 
for a living and how much money do you make??? Do you fell up to answering that 
question or is it none of my business??? I make less then $20,000 a yr and that 
my good friend puts me in poverty... Do you think you could live on that??? 11 
yrs ago because of a bad car accident and got hurt really bad... I ended up 
loosing everything... I went through 3 major surgeries since last June... I was 
an Auto Worker on lay off and couldn't get any of the benefits from work 
because I was on layoff for so long, I would have gotten my pension 4yrs ago 
when I reached my 30th yr but now I have to wait another 9yrs for it and won't 
get my benefits like the others who retire with 30yrs do... So thank God for my 
daughters and good friends who give me place to stay!!! And you should thank 
God nothing like this ever happens to you, be lucky for what you have, and pray 
you don't loose everything like I did...  






-Original Message-
From: James Therrault jetas...@netzero.com
Sent: Apr 25, 2010 10:03 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???


On Apr 25, 2010, at 1:51 PM, Richard Gerome wrote:


I don't think Apple will care about this at all, they are old  
 OS's... If it was Leopard or Snow Leopard that would be  
 different... I'm only living on S.S. Disability, I do not own  
 anything or have any large amount of money saved and my car is  
 21yrs old... I wasn't selling the disc's I copied nor will I sell  
 the Tiger Disc's I get copied... It's not worth fixing up and  
 selling the newer Apple Computers on ebay because of all the fee's  
 between ebay and PayPal... The Clamshells aren't selling for a  
 whole either now and people aren't spending money either the way  
 they did...
The Clamshells were the best!!! I could take them all apart and  
 put them back together in about 2hrs tops even with all my motor  
 skill problems!!! Now I just want to do up my Ti Powerbook and  
 maybe think about putting Leopard on it somewhere down the road  
 when Tiger starts slowing down and becoming a problem...



The only thing that has aroused my curiosity is whether you are  
reporting the eBay income to SS...

JT



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Re: OFF-LIST: I can't format this new hard drive???

[Richard Gerome]

   I've been running this Clamshell with the new 7200rpm HD for hrs on just the 
battery, it's cooler then my other Clamshell and the battery which I clocked 
2yrs ago it ran for almost 2.5hrs (marked it on the battery) it is now lasting 
for over 2.5hrs!!! These tests I ran are just idling and not going to screen 
saver or surfing the web... I haven't shut it down since yesterday morning and 
it is only a little bit warm on the bottom where the HD is!!! I never leave my 
computers running anyway when I'm not using them I always shut all of them down 
when not in use...
   So Ben, I think you might be right??! Only time will tell???  







On Apr 26, 6:25 am, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote:
 On Apr 25, 2010, at 10:33 PM, Richard Gerome wrote:

  I have to say I got this old Clamshell running and that 7200rpm HD  
  really woke this machine up!!!

 If you've had that much improvement going from a 4,200rpm HD to a  
 7,200rpm, a solid-state HD would be even better, and conserve a little  
 of that precious battery life also. The downside of the 7,200rpm is  
 heat output, which has been known to overheat laptops, and decreased  
 battery run-time. I believe modern 5,400rpm laptop HDs offer  
 substantial improvement over the OEM Apple 4,200rpm HDs that came in  
 the clamshell.

I think you will find that newer 7200 rpm drives use less power and
run cooler than the original Apple 4200 rpm drives, I have seen people
claim an increased battery life with a newer (faster) drive.
Also while solid state sounds great I think all the current ones are
SATA so you would need to find a very slimline converter that you
could shoehorn into the Clamshell, that would probably have an impact
on the speed and would also consume power.
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RE: OFF-LIST: I can't format this new hard drive???

[Richard Gerome]

 Hey Stewie, Thanks for doing that!!! That g-book group when ever I try to post there it won't let me, it tells me I have to register and I already am... So when I try to register it tells me that user name is already taken, I say yes I know it is me??? Anyway talking about quieter, I think it does run quieter too!!! The HD I got is a: " Hitachi " Model# HTS726060M9AT00 Manufactured Jul - 08... Now someone yesterday told me they make 10,000rpm HD's for laptops too??? That sounds like something to put in my Ti Powerbook??? How would that work???


  On 25/04/10 11:25 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:  I have to say I got this old Clamshell running and that 7200rpm HD  really woke this machine up!!! It runs faster and smoother then my Ti  Powerbook which has more then 2 X's the proc speed and almost 2X's the  memory I always wonder why this is the case at times. It makes no logical  sense. And these, like yours, are real differences. I posted this in the g-books section but it is equally pertinent here.Compare 4200, 5400 and 7200 RPM drives in a Powerbookhttp://www.xlr8yourmac.com/IDE/hitachi_travelstar60GB_7200/travelstar60GB_7200rpm.htmlFrom my own experience with my powerbooks of various flavours , each time I went up from a 4200 to 5400 then to a 7200RPM drive resulted in a 15-20% increase in speed.The early 7200 RPM drives certainly ran hotter and louder with an increase in power needed to run them than previous 5400 RPM drives but the later versions (as all technology improves) are a lot better.Stewie 		 	   		  




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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[Richard Gerome]

   Thanks!!! Just for safety sake as soon as I get my Ti Powerbook fixed I'm 
going to try and make some copies of it!!! (I already have some friends trying) 
I think that's why that Jaguar disc went bad???




At 1:02 AM -0400 4/25/2010, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
Actually there is an unlimited usage on the install discs. Unlike 
Windows install discs, As long as someone purchases it, and you have 
it, you can install it on as many computers as you desire.

Wrong.

The FIRST link provided by googling apple mac os license takes you 
to a page that contains all of Apple's licenses.
http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/

The license on the basic retail kit authorizes you to install the 
software on ONE computer.

The family pack lets you do up to FIVE computers.

Apple DOES NOT and has not ever offered an unlimated license.

- Dan.
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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[Richard Gerome]

Title: Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install
Disc???
 It didn't go bad from copying it, I was using it to reload Jaguar on all those Clamshells I was rebuilding and one day it stopped working... I didn't know why but I was thinking it used up all it's licenses??? That's when I got another Jaguar Disc and made 6 copies of it...<dantear...@gmail.com>

At 12:10 PM -0400 4/25/2010, Richard Gerome wrote:
Just for safety sake as soon as I get my
Ti Powerbook fixed I'm going to try and make some copies of
it!!!

Making a backup of an installation CD/DVD is a good plan.

(I already have some friends trying) I
think that's why that Jaguar disc went bad???

"went bad"? Not sure what you mean. I guess
I could see a disc being damaged if the drive was foo, but other than
that, making a copy does not damage a disc in any way.

- Dan.
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Re: Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[Richard Gerome]

 I don't think Apple will care about this at all, they are old OS's... If it was Leopard or Snow Leopard that would be different... I'm only living on S.S. Disability, I do not own anything or have any large amount of money saved and my car is 21yrs old... I wasn't selling the disc's I copied nor will I sell the Tiger Disc's I get copied... It's not worth fixing up and selling the newer Apple Computers on ebay because of all the fee's between ebay and PayPal... The Clamshells aren't selling for a whole either now and people aren't spending money either the way they did...  The Clamshells were the best!!! I could take them all apart and put them back together in about 2hrs tops even with all my motor skill problems!!! Now I just want to do up my Ti Powerbook and maybe think about putting Leopard on it somewhere down the road when Tiger starts slowing down and becoming a problem...To get the snarky comment out of the way, How does it feel to be a pirate?Each Jaguar CD comes with a license to install on 1 Macintosh computer, unless you bought a family pack. Then it is for up to 5 installs in one household, not for computers to be given away or sold. Apple does not enforce this license in as draconian way as MS, but a license is a license. By installing it on more than 1 computer, you are pirating Apple software.That being said, there is no authorization or validation system for Mac OS installs, YET. If the CD stopped working, it was damaged in someway. A scratch, peanut butter on the surface or something similar.Len



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Re: OFF-LIST: I can't format this new hard drive???

[Richard Gerome]

 I have to say I got this old Clamshell running and that 7200rpm HD really woke this machine up!!! It runs faster and smoother then my Ti Powerbook which has more then2 X's the proc speed and almost 2X's the memory!!! I must say I'm going to get 2 more HD's one for my other Clamshell and one for my Ti Powerbook and this Clamshell I will give to my daughter!!! Really really cool!!! Thanks again for all your input here!!! Your welcome. Here's a tip. If the Mac doesn't start for a simple, fixable reason... "When in doubt, press Command+option+P+R." you will hear another "Bong" noise, and the computer should start up. The screen resolution will temporarily be at 640X480 until the logon screen. After that, even if you restart, everything will be back to normal. This works for me when i install something new and my Mac doesn't startup. Also, if you fixed so many clamshells back in the day, why didn't you know about my technique? Maybe either you got lucky that all of their hard drives worked, or maybe you forgot...
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Re: OFF-LIST: I can't format this new hard drive???

[Richard Gerome]

 Hey Mark, Thanks that worked, I never noticed that in the menu bar!!! Really Cool!!! Now I can take my Ti Powerbook apart and rebuild it and not have to worry about not having a computer to use... -Original Message-
From: Mark Sokolovsky 
Sent: Apr 23, 2010 3:56 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: OFF-LIST: I can't format this new hard drive???

Try this. In the installation, don't click on anything. just click the first continue button, and then hit the utilities menu. On that menu, find Disk utility and open that. On the panel to the left side, you should see a list of devices such as your DVD drive, CD drive, and your Hard drive. Click on your Hard Drive, and on the "Erase" tab. Then for the volume format,click Mac OS Extended (Journaled), and click erase. Once it is done erasing, exit disk utilities and then it should go back to the installer. Once the installer starts again, make your way through the license agreement and the barrage of continue buttons, you should find your HDD on the installer.
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Question about Tiger DVD Install Disc???

[Richard Gerome]

   I am wondering if these retail install disc's are licensed like Window's 
are??? Is there a limit to how many times you can use them??? I'm asking this 
question because a while back I had a Jaguar disc go bad and I wasn't sure how 
many times I used it, so when I got a new one I made about 6 copies of it just 
in case... Thanks!!!

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Re: OFF-LIST: I can't format this new hard drive???

[Richard Gerome]

Hey Mark, All the HD's were used ones out of the Clamshells I bought to fix (I just cleaned them and did reinstall) I only bought one new one but I just found out it was a reconditioned HD and it has an Apple logo down in the left corner (this one didn't have the logo)... I did forget about the "Utilities" on the menu bar after you put the install disc in and click to the first step, I didn't put 22 together about that... I got so lost looking for the HD to click on instead... Thanks for the tip on "Command+option+P+R" I will remember that for the future!!! Rich-Original Message-
From: Mark Sokolovsky 
Sent: Apr 24, 2010 8:31 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: OFF-LIST: I can't format this new hard drive???

Your welcome. Here's a tip. If the Mac doesn't start for a simple, fixable reason... "When in doubt, press Command+option+P+R." you will hear another "Bong" noise, and the computer should start up. The screen resolution will temporarily be at 640X480 until the logon screen. After that, even if you restart, everything will be back to normal. This works for me when i install something new and my Mac doesn't startup. Also, if you fixed so many clamshells back in the day, why didn't you know about my technique? Maybe either you got lucky that all of their hard drives worked, or maybe you forgot...
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Re: Open MDD DVD tray

[Richard Gerome]

   Just for curiosity try holding down the F12 key and the return/enter key at 
the same time and see if it opens that way, that's what I have to do on one of 
my Clamshells to open the CD drawer it's the only one without a DVD drive... I 
don't know why this is??? It won't open with just the F12... Figured this out 
one day by mistake... I'm thinking your button (not the paperclip button) on 
the drawer is bad??? 




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From: John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com
Sent: Apr 24, 2010 12:50 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Open MDD DVD tray


On Apr 24, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Bill Connelly wrote:

 
 On Apr 24, 2010, at 9:58 AM, John Carmonne wrote:
 
 Hi All
 
 I want to know how to open an optical drive tray to start a G4 MDD.
 
 
 If you can already start it, you can hold down the mouse button while it 
 starts up (from b4 u turn it on), and the tray will open.
 


Mine wont open with the mouse so to boot from a disk the paper clip is the way 
on this machine.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP






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Re: OFF-LIST: I can't format this new hard drive???

[Richard Gerome]

   I tried the other lists and the only one that lets me post is the Jaguar 
list and this one, the Clamshell List isn't active anymore, I am very sorry 
about this...
   I have a 466mhz with DVD drive and the ram is maxed 576!!! The Tiger install 
disc will start but the HD doesn't show up in the install window... There is 
nothing wrong with the mother board because I put the old HD back in and it 
works very good... I can not get to the desktop with the new drive to open up 
the HD and go to the applications folder to find the utilities folder to 
reformat the HD... I did hook the Clamshell up to my Powerbook with my FireWire 
cable and got to the utilities folder from there but it was in OS 9 and still 
didn't show up there??? I've done this many many times before but I never had 
to reformat any drive, one of the HD drives I bought before I thought was new 
but looking at it, it says it is a reconditioned HD so it must have been 
already formatted for my machine... I never wanted to run anything newer then 
Jaguar in these because it runs too slow with anything newer, but many people 
have told me a 7200rpm HD will speed it up also a larger HD then 10g will 
too... I used to buy stacks of these Clamshells and fix them and sell them back 
in the day!!! I also know about getting to the options part of the install to 
select a clean and reinstall or save files and reinstall, I can't even get that 
far with the install, it makes to the window after I check agree to terms and 
that is it, no HD shows up... I even sent the one HD back to where I bought it 
and they sent me a new one and the same thing happens and they told me this 
will work... All of the Clamshells I have, and had, I installed Jaguar and OS 
9.2.2 and didn't partition any of them, they all ran Classic or I could reboot 
into OS 9.2.2... Jaguar is now too old to run comfortably and Panther I just 
never liked it to begin with (I had one with Panther and down graded it to 
Jaguar)... I have been working on this for over a month now and tried so many 
different things and still can't get Tiger on this one Clamshell, if I get it 
to work and I like it I will do up the other 2 Clamshells with the same specs 
as this one I have (466mhz with 576mb and DVD drives)!!! Thank You very much 
for everyones help I really do love your input here!!! 




-Original Message-
From: Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net
Sent: Apr 23, 2010 1:50 AM
To: Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net
Subject: OFF-LIST: I can't format this new hard drive???

OFF-LIST:

1) Boot the Tiger DVD by inserting it into the DVD drive and then  
holding either the C key or the Option key at boot.

2) If the DVD boots, then select English and from the menu bar  
select Disk Utility and hopefully the drive will be shown in Disk  
Utility. If it's not shown, you have a hardware issue. If it is shown,  
highlight the HD and select the Partition tab. In Volume Scheme  
select 1 partition. In Format Scheme select Mac OS X Extended  
(Journaled) and in the Options button window select Apple Partition  
Scheme. Give it whatever name you wish and hit the Apply button.  
Once the partition format completes, install OS X by quitting Disk  
Utility and continuing the installer process.

Some Clamshell's don't have a DVD drive, they're CD only, so if this  
is the case, you'll need a CD installer.

If the HD isn't recognized at all in Disk Utility then you've got a  
hardware issue. The most likely problem is a jumper on the HD. It's  
likely the HD is supposed to be jumpered as master and you've got it  
set to cable select or slave. When the jumper setting is incorrect  
it can sometimes mess up the other device which would normally be the  
CD unit, although sometimes the CD is on a completely separate bus  
from the HD, and I'm not sure exactly how the clamshell is configured.  
If it's not a jumper problem, then the cable is the only other normal  
issue. If it's not the jumper or the cable, then you've got a  
logicboard issue.

I'd personally not install OS 9 onto this Mac, assuming you have  
enough RAM for it. If you don't have at least a 256MB stick, and  
preferably a 512MB stick, you should probably NOT install OS X, and  
instead only install OS 9. Other options might be Ubuntu Linux for  
PPC, but again, determining what version for an old G3 clamshell may  
be difficult. I own several G3 clamshells myself, and they all have  
Tiger 10.4.11 and seem to work fine. They won't play video smoothly,  
but otherwise they work fine.

Good luck!

Kris Tilford - Topeka, Kansas

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