Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Ross]

Tina K. wrote:
> Today on the Price Is Wright they had a MacPro in the showcase showdown,
> it came equipped with "a 1TB hard drive…
>
>
> … and anti-virus software."
>
> I almost choked on my soda.
>
> Tina

Soap addiction is one thing, but, for dogs' sake Tina, stop trying to
devour your couch!

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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Richard Gerome]

   Oh yeah, I know this Tina I should have said that... You do need a Windows 
anti virus for it!!! 



-Original Message-
>From: "Tina K." 
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>Subject: Re: Anti-virus for Mac
>
>On 2010/11/10 23:03, Richard Gerome so eloquently wrote:
>> You need a virus software program if you run Windows on it...
>
>Since it is a brand new Apple product I think it's safe to say the 
>included A-V is for OS X. Which does you no good when you are running 
>Windoze.
>
>And it's probably Norton to boot.
>
>Tina
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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Tina K.]

On 2010/11/10 23:03, Richard Gerome so eloquently wrote:

You need a virus software program if you run Windows on it...


Since it is a brand new Apple product I think it's safe to say the 
included A-V is for OS X. Which does you no good when you are running 
Windoze.


And it's probably Norton to boot.

Tina

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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Richard Gerome]

   You need a virus software program if you run Windows on it...-Original Message-
From: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio 
Sent: Nov 11, 2010 12:02 AM
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Subject: Re: Anti-virus for Mac

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:06 AM, James Therrault <jetas...@netzero.com> wrote:


On Nov 10, 2010, at 8:12 PM, Tina K. wrote:


Today on the Price Is Wright they had a MacPro in the showcase showdown, it came equipped with "a 1TB hard drive…


… and anti-virus software."

I almost choked on my soda.



Yeah, but Drew has really slimmed down and he's a Mac guy...Well he would be a Mac guy logically. He went to college here and our campus has lots of Macs. And has had a Mac Store on  campus for a long time.

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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:06 AM, James Therrault wrote:

>
> On Nov 10, 2010, at 8:12 PM, Tina K. wrote:
>
>  Today on the Price Is Wright they had a MacPro in the showcase showdown,
>> it came equipped with "a 1TB hard drive…
>>
>>
>> … and anti-virus software."
>>
>> I almost choked on my soda.
>>
>
>
> Yeah, but Drew has really slimmed down and he's a Mac guy...
>


Well he would be a Mac guy logically. He went to college here and our campus
has lots of Macs. And has had a Mac Store on  campus for a long time.




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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[James Therrault]

On Nov 10, 2010, at 8:12 PM, Tina K. wrote:

Today on the Price Is Wright they had a MacPro in the showcase  
showdown, it came equipped with "a 1TB hard drive…



… and anti-virus software."

I almost choked on my soda.



Yeah, but Drew has really slimmed down and he's a Mac guy...

JT




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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Dan]

At 7:12 PM -0700 11/10/2010, Tina K. wrote:
Today on the Price Is Wright they had a MacPro 
in the showcase showdown, it came equipped with 
"a 1TB hard driveŠ



Š and anti-virus software."

I almost choked on my soda.


ROFL!

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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Tina K.]

Today on the Price Is Wright they had a MacPro in the showcase showdown, 
it came equipped with "a 1TB hard drive…



… and anti-virus software."

I almost choked on my soda.

Tina

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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Dan]

At 11:48 AM -0400 11/2/2010, Dan wrote:

Clam and ClamXav were just recently updated...
And now Sophos is offering a free version of their anti-virus tool


At 10:32 AM -0700 11/3/2010, Bruce Johnson wrote:

Sophos was throwing false positives like mad on Java last month


False positives are something we're going to have to watch for, I'm 
afraid.  Signature errors happen now and then.  ...But I wonder 
sometimes if the commercial$ AV companies aren't getting so desperate 
for Mac sales that they would...


At 8:41 PM -0400 11/3/2010, Yersinia wrote:

Anyhoo, is virus scanning SUPPOSED to take this long?


As mentioned later in the thread, that long / whole disk scan can 
take a while.  After all, there are thousands to hundreds of 
thousands of files there.   Your whole drive vs /Users vs just your 
desktop, for example.  ClamAV's scanner is a bit on the slow side 
too.  The good news is that a whole-system scan should only be 
necessary in very very very rare rare cases.  Mostly you just want 
the AV software to watch your downloads / desktop folder.


At 8:36 PM -0700 11/3/2010, Bruce Johnson wrote:
Both programs insert themselves into the OS so that when files are 
read or written; they scan the file before the OS can do anything.


Just to clarify - this isn't a hack.  Mac OS X (Tiger and newer) has 
a real documented service (fseventer) available that lets these 
products cleanly hook into the access path.  They can then filter the 
events, so they only "trigger" on files of interest (those in your 
user account, for example).  IOW, this isn't something that's going 
to dramatically break every time Apple blinks at the OS.


At 7:52 PM + 11/8/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:

was it not determined less than 2 months ago the no one had seen a Mac virus ?


Yea, we have discussed this before.  There are a few badly-written 
trojans but no real viruses in the wild.  But that's not the point 
here.  The point is to be *prepared* for issues with *reasonable* 
tools.  Hopefully by discussing this stuff we'll weed out the FUD. 
Try 'em out.  Then let 'em just sit there idly, for when you need 
'em.  IMO, it's better to have them available than to go into a panic 
and have to find, download, install, learn etc suddenly.


I'm still foolin around with this Sophos product, and the new 
ClamXav.  Both seem nice.  It will be interesting to see which is 
updated faster, as malware are released.


At 7:10 PM -0700 11/3/2010, Jonas Ulrich wrote:
Why would you buy antivirus for mac I've never heard of anyone 
getting a virus on a mac, and I never have before.


That would be exactly the point of us checking out the FREE options. 
My thinking is that the free ones are far less FUD prone...


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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Joshua Juran]

On Nov 3, 2010, at 7:10 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote:

Why would you buy antivirus for mac I've never heard of anyone  
getting a virus on a mac, and I never have before.


My last infection was 2002, when a client provided a CD-ROM of a ten  
year-old application which was infected, probably with an nVIR clone.   
Disinfectant took care of it.


I don't even bother to run Disinfectant anymore, since besides a few  
commercial apps, all I run (on Mac OS 9) is my own software.  :-)


Josh


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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Jonas Ulrich]

Why would you buy antivirus for mac I've never heard of anyone getting a
virus on a mac, and I never have before.

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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Tina K.]

On 2010/11/08 17:08, Bill Connelly so eloquently wrote:

Aren't all files with ".exe" reported as suspect virus files?


Not all of them, just the malicious ones. Which might be construed as 
most of them. ;-)


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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Ralph Green]

On Mon, 2010-11-08 at 23:41 +, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
> So John Thinks there are Mac viruses or has had a personal experience
> of a Mac virus and no one else does or has?
Howdy,
 There are viruses that affect the Mac.  They are pretty rare, and I
don't think there is enough risk for me to worry about.  But, it depends
on how you use your computer.  I don't use javascript and I don't browse
to suspicious websites and I am careful about the programs I download
and run.  If you use your computer differently, you may have more risk
and you need to decide for yourself whether anti-virus software is
called for.  Certainly, AV companies tell you they are needed.  That is
what I'd expect them to say.
Good day,
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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Richard Gerome]

   I must admit I think I had one in my Clamshell about 3 yrs ago but I'm not quite sure??? Here's the story: I was searching the web (on dailup) and went on this site then all of a sudden my whole screen turned red then it started what sounded like it was burning up then after that noise stopped I had a ghost of the previous webpage and my computer just died... I had a lot of spare clamshell parts so I replaced the screen and the computer booted back up and it lasted about a month and it happened again so this time I replaced the screen and did a clean and reinstall and it's been running great since!!! A virus??? Maybe??? I never heard of any Mac user having any problems, ever, and I still do not use any anti virus software... -Original Message-
From: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio 
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To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anti-virus for Mac

So John Thinks there are Mac viruses or has had a personal experience of a Mac virus and no one else does or has?( sorry John. 10 years of no one reporting a virus of thousands of LEM listers overrides anything else I have seen yet. Despite all the scare tactic bruhaha from those who write the crap to drum up business. ) 

When it comes you will see a lot of posts on LEM. 



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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Bill Connelly]

On Nov 8, 2010, at 6:41 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:

So John Thinks there are Mac viruses or has had a personal  
experience of a Mac virus and no one else does or has?


( sorry John. 10 years of no one reporting a virus of thousands of  
LEM listers overrides anything else I have seen yet. Despite all the  
scare tactic bruhaha from those who write the crap to drum up  
business. )


When it comes you will see a lot of posts on LEM.



Aren't all files with ".exe" reported as suspect virus files?

I have downloaded Windoze files thinking they were for the Mac ...  
usually Trash them shortly thereafter, when I find the Mac equivalent.


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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

So John Thinks there are Mac viruses or has had a personal experience of a
Mac virus and no one else does or has?

( sorry John. 10 years of no one reporting a virus of thousands of LEM
listers overrides anything else I have seen yet. Despite all the scare
tactic bruhaha from those who write the crap to drum up business. )

When it comes you will see a lot of posts on LEM.

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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Yersinia]

 On 11/8/10 2:52 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 1:26 AM, Ashgrove  wrote:


Nov 3, 7:41 pm, Yersinia  wrote:

Geeesh, is this what Windoze users have to do all the time?!?!?

Yes, siree, Bob. That's life on the other side.

I did the same thing out of curiosity, and downloaded Clamxav Beta 2
to my Intel iMac. It took 20 minutes to diagnose that there were zero
infections found. Meh.




On one of these lists, probably this one, was it not determined less than 2
months ago the no one had seen a Mac virus ? Nor felt a any palpable threat
by one.

I had reported that an Mac IT guy here in our mass media department who
administers a staff of techies and hundreds of Macs dismissed any such
threat.


It's true, Bruce and Dan have both repeatedly said that Macs on OS X do 
not need AV, and seeing how I wasn't having problems with my Macs which 
I thought might be on account of viruses, I wasn't running any AV 
programs at all and was perfectly comfortable. Prior to this past week, 
the last time I ran any kind of AV was circa 1999, using Disinfectant. 
It was solely for reasons of curiosity from the recent discussions here 
that I decided to pick up ClamXav Beta 2 and the Sophos AV program and 
give 'em a try to see what would happen, just for the hell of it. And, 
as it happened:


ClamXav was taking so long I decided to just quit it and I tried the 
Sophos program. Sophos was fast, took less than an hour I think (I 
didn't time it but subjectively it didn't feel like it was taking 
"forever," and it finished its scan on its own), Well, what a surprise 
(NOT!) -- according to Sophos, my Quicksilver is not infected with any 
viruses.  So I'll run Sophos on my Mini and iBook soon -- another "just 
for the hell of it" thing. I don't really believe that the Mini and 
iBook actually have any viruses, though.


~Yersinia.

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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 1:26 AM, Ashgrove  wrote:

> Nov 3, 7:41 pm, Yersinia  wrote:
> > Geeesh, is this what Windoze users have to do all the time?!?!?
>
> Yes, siree, Bob. That's life on the other side.
>
> I did the same thing out of curiosity, and downloaded Clamxav Beta 2
> to my Intel iMac. It took 20 minutes to diagnose that there were zero
> infections found. Meh.
>



On one of these lists, probably this one, was it not determined less than 2
months ago the no one had seen a Mac virus ? Nor felt a any palpable threat
by one.

I had reported that an Mac IT guy here in our mass media department who
administers a staff of techies and hundreds of Macs dismissed any such
threat.





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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Ashgrove]

Nov 3, 7:41 pm, Yersinia  wrote:
> Geeesh, is this what Windoze users have to do all the time?!?!?

Yes, siree, Bob. That's life on the other side.

I did the same thing out of curiosity, and downloaded Clamxav Beta 2
to my Intel iMac. It took 20 minutes to diagnose that there were zero
infections found. Meh.

F

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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Yersinia]

 On 11/3/10 11:36 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:


On Nov 3, 2010, at 7:10 PM, Yersinia wrote:



OK, thanks for the heads-up about a first time virus scan being like 
Spotlight/taking forever. Maybe I will try Sophos after all. But... 
what IS "Access scanning" and what do you mean by "files are only 
ever scanned if the system touches thsm"?  By "the system" do you 
mean OS X?



on access scanning means that when files are read (for the first time 
in a session) or written they're scanned. It's sort of like spotlight 
which only indexes when files are changed.


Both programs insert themselves into the OS so that when files are 
read or written; they scan the file before the OS can do anything.
Oh wow, OK! But that sounds a lot like lysogeny to me! LOL! ( is there a 
microbiologist in the house?  ;-) )


If this sounds a lot like what malware would do, you're right.  Some 
years back a Sophos update decided that a bunch of Microsoft 
application support files were viruses.  A LOT of folks suddenly ended 
up with fubared Office installs, and a lot of IT folks cursed Sophos 
that day.


ROFLMAO! ...uh-HUH, definitely seeing this lysogenic virus incorporating 
its genome into the genome of the host cell so that ITS proteins will 
code instead of those of the host cell's


...and yeah, I know I shouldn't be laughing on account of all the 
trouble and aggravation those poor IT folks had to deal with on account 
of it, but just the IDEA that any version of a Mac AV application would 
have decided that ANYTHING MicroBorg on the systems were viruses just 
tickles my funnybone!  . . .


Anyway, I ran Sophos on my Quicksilver last night and no threats were 
found -- at least not on the big 60 GB HDD. There's also a 30 GB HDD in 
this machine, and I was just trying to figure out how to tell if THAT 
drive was checked too (the "help" isn't really all that great, but 
Google is my friend and they do have a forum I noticed). Once I'm sure 
of that, think I'll also run it on the Mini and iBook since they aren't 
Internet virgins either -- the iBook in particular but on rare 
occasions, I actually have taken the Mini online.


Thanks for the help, and the laugh.

~Yersinia.

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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Bruce Johnson]

On Nov 3, 2010, at 7:10 PM, Yersinia wrote:



OK, thanks for the heads-up about a first time virus scan being like  
Spotlight/taking forever. Maybe I will try Sophos after all. But...  
what IS "Access scanning" and what do you mean by "files are only  
ever scanned if the system touches thsm"?  By "the system" do you  
mean OS X?



on access scanning means that when files are read (for the first time  
in a session) or written they're scanned. It's sort of like spotlight  
which only indexes when files are changed.


Both programs insert themselves into the OS so that when files are  
read or written; they scan the file before the OS can do anything.


If this sounds a lot like what malware would do, you're right.  Some  
years back a Sophos update decided that a bunch of Microsoft  
application support files were viruses.  A LOT of folks suddenly ended  
up with fubared Office installs, and a lot of IT folks cursed Sophos  
that day.


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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Yersinia]

 On 11/3/10 9:55 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

On Nov 3, 2010, at 5:41 PM, Yersinia wrote:


Out of curiosity, I actually downloaded both of these. Decided to start with 
the ClamXav version 2 beta first, and it's been running for pushing a couple of 
hours now! It's STILL scanning my G4 Quicksilver 867's 60 GB HDD. No infections 
are listed yet but this came up at some point:

"Starting scan…

do not upload it somewhere!
My objects .crash.log"

I don't know WHEN that appeared because I had KVM'ed over to the Mini for awhile and just 
noticed it when I came back to the Quicksilver...and I have no idea what it means, seeing 
how there's nothing in the "Infection Name" area.

Make sure there isn't a dialog window waiting patiently where you can't find 
it, or that it hasn't simply crashed...it IS a beta after all.

Anyhoo, is virus scanning SUPPOSED to take this long? I'm thinking I probably 
won't bother with Sophos because I don't want to tie up my machines for hours. 
Or maybe I'll try it on the iBook, but won't have any reference point to 
compare speeds between Sophos and ClamXav. Dunno.

It's sort of like Spotlight...the first time takes forever, but both Sophos and 
ClamXAv can be configured to do on Access scanning, which is considerably 
faster; files are only ever scanned if the system touches them.

Nope, no hidden dialog boxes...at least none behind or below the main 
window, and nothing in the Window menu anywayanyplace else I should 
be looking? ..and, hmmm...NOW it looks like it might have crashed. 
Before when I wrote my prior post, I could see filenames whizzing by, 
now it's stuck on one so that's why I think it might have crashed.


OK, thanks for the heads-up about a first time virus scan being like 
Spotlight/taking forever. Maybe I will try Sophos after all. But... what 
IS "Access scanning" and what do you mean by "files are only ever 
scanned if the system touches thsm"?  By "the system" do you mean OS X?


~Yersinia.

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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Bruce Johnson]

On Nov 3, 2010, at 5:41 PM, Yersinia wrote:

> Out of curiosity, I actually downloaded both of these. Decided to start with 
> the ClamXav version 2 beta first, and it's been running for pushing a couple 
> of hours now! It's STILL scanning my G4 Quicksilver 867's 60 GB HDD. No 
> infections are listed yet but this came up at some point:
> 
> "Starting scan…
> 
> do not upload it somewhere!
> My objects .crash.log"
> 
> I don't know WHEN that appeared because I had KVM'ed over to the Mini for 
> awhile and just noticed it when I came back to the Quicksilver...and I have 
> no idea what it means, seeing how there's nothing in the "Infection Name" 
> area.

Make sure there isn't a dialog window waiting patiently where you can't find 
it, or that it hasn't simply crashed...it IS a beta after all.
> 
> Anyhoo, is virus scanning SUPPOSED to take this long? I'm thinking I probably 
> won't bother with Sophos because I don't want to tie up my machines for 
> hours. Or maybe I'll try it on the iBook, but won't have any reference point 
> to compare speeds between Sophos and ClamXav. Dunno.

It's sort of like Spotlight...the first time takes forever, but both Sophos and 
ClamXAv can be configured to do on Access scanning, which is considerably 
faster; files are only ever scanned if the system touches them.

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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Yersinia]

 On 11/2/10 11:48 AM, Dan wrote:

Clam and ClamXav were just recently updated...
(get the version 2 beta - it's stable, not java, works well)




And now Sophos is offering a free version of their anti-virus tool

 



- Dan.
Out of curiosity, I actually downloaded both of these. Decided to start 
with the ClamXav version 2 beta first, and it's been running for pushing 
a couple of hours now! It's STILL scanning my G4 Quicksilver 867's 60 GB 
HDD. No infections are listed yet but this came up at some point:


"Starting scan…

do not upload it somewhere!
My objects .crash.log"

I don't know WHEN that appeared because I had KVM'ed over to the Mini 
for awhile and just noticed it when I came back to the Quicksilver...and 
I have no idea what it means, seeing how there's nothing in the 
"Infection Name" area.


Anyhoo, is virus scanning SUPPOSED to take this long? I'm thinking I 
probably won't bother with Sophos because I don't want to tie up my 
machines for hours. Or maybe I'll try it on the iBook, but won't have 
any reference point to compare speeds between Sophos and ClamXav. Dunno.


Geeesh, is this what Windoze users have to do all the time?!?!?

~Yersinia.

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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Bruce Johnson]

On Nov 3, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Tina K. wrote:

> 
> Downloaded both, ran Sophos first and it found two threats in some games for 
> my phone, one Java and one .exe. Don't know what (if anything) the Java file 
> would have done had I tried to run them on my Mac, but they're gone now.

Sophos was throwing false positives like mad on Java last month; we have the 
enterprise version and get email notices when stuff is found on client systems. 

Running the .exe on your mac would have done absolutely nothing. All you would 
have gotten was a dialog asking you what application you wanted to use to open 
.exe files :-)

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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Tina K.]

On 2010/11/02 09:48, Dan so eloquently wrote:

Clam and ClamXav were just recently updated...
(get the version 2 beta - it's stable, not java, works well)




And now Sophos is offering a free version of their anti-virus tool




- Dan.


Downloaded both, ran Sophos first and it found two threats in some games 
for my phone, one Java and one .exe. Don't know what (if anything) the 
Java file would have done had I tried to run them on my Mac, but they're 
gone now.


After 10 years of using OS X the score is:

Windows exploits - Two
Java exploits - One
OS X exploits - Zero

Tina

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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Ashgrove]

I keep a tiger's eye paperweight on my desk. It did cost me money, but
it works just as well --plus it does not uses any RAM, which is a nice
bonus. Looks cool, too...;-)

Felix

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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Baha Ata]

BitDefender got a Beta 2... Free for enrolment

www.bitdefender.com

i have been using them for may Macs on 10.6.4

But for intel onyl..

There is only ClamXav and Sophos for Mac that i could find while i am with
my Powerbook G4

2010/11/2 Dan 

> Clam and ClamXav were just recently updated...
> (get the version 2 beta - it's stable, not java, works well)
>
> 
>
>
> And now Sophos is offering a free version of their anti-virus tool
>
> <
> http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/2010/11/free-mac-anti-virus.html
> >
>
> - Dan.
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Anti-virus for Mac

[Dan]

Clam and ClamXav were just recently updated...
(get the version 2 beta - it's stable, not java, works well)




And now Sophos is offering a free version of their anti-virus tool



- Dan.
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