Big Hard Drives in Sawtooth and Cloning
Hello, Y'all, I have a 450 Sawtooth AGP with 2 HDs, a 5400 60 gb and a 7200 10 gb. Memory is one gig. When I upgraded from OS 9.2.2, I went up to a very stable OS 10.2.8. I put the OS X on the 60 gb. I upgraded to OS 10.2.8 about a year ago. Recently I noticed my HD(s) sounds a little off. Louder than normal. No problems yet. Also I am now down to 7.4 gb space left. on the larger drive. I do some picture and sound work. I want to replace both hard drives with bigger, faster, quieter 200 GB range HDs. Of course I want to keep what data, settings, apps I have. I have been studying about cloning my present hard drive(s). But, I am not sure if I can put the size (200 or more) into my present machine as it is now. Can I do the bigger drives with my present OS? Do I need to go up to 10.3 or higher? Is cloning a good way to go? TIA. Jim --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Big Hard Drives in Sawtooth and Cloning
On Dec 30, 7:33 am, "JIM RAPER" wrote: > Hello, Y'all, > > I have a 450 Sawtooth AGP with 2 HDs, a 5400 60 gb and a 7200 10 gb. Memory > is one gig. When I upgraded from OS 9.2.2, I went up to a very stable OS > 10.2.8. I put the OS X on the 60 gb. I upgraded to OS 10.2.8 about a year > ago. > Recently I noticed my HD(s) sounds a little off. Louder than normal. No > problems yet. Also I am now down to 7.4 gb space left. on the larger drive. > I do some picture and sound work. > > I want to replace both hard drives with bigger, faster, quieter 200 GB range > HDs. Of course I want to keep what data, settings, apps I have. I have been > studying about cloning my present hard drive(s). But, I am not sure if I can > put the size (200 or more) into my present machine as it is now. > > Can I do the bigger drives with my present OS? Do I need to go up to 10.3 or > higher? Is cloning a good way to go? > > TIA. Jim Anything bigger than 128GB is not *exactly* supported on anything older than the 2002 quicksilver (PowerMacs). There are 2 routes that would give you the full size though. either through the Hi-cap driver from intech. or a open-firmware hack that adds it from Firmware. The firmware hack has the advantage of being based in the hardware's firmware, and as such installers will see everything past the 128 mark. BUT will be lost anytime Open firmware is reset. It is also very free. This is probably safer, I Do not know if this works under 9.2 though as I Didn't have classic when I started using this method. The Hi Cap driver costs money. and is an actual driver inside the OS. This would have to be reinstalled any time you reinstall the OS. It doesn't support OS 9. but does support 10.2 and up. With EITHER of these methods, when formatting, do not make any partitions that will cross the 128GB mark. Any thing before and after is just fine as rain. This is so that if you have problems, such as if you have to reset firmware, or the driver somehow fails (remember, the driver has to be installed on the OS), You will only temporarily lose access to the partitions after the 128GB mark, Won't have any corruption issues, and can easily reinstate the driver or patch. I use the first method in my GigaE. I am very satisfied with my 200GB drive. Good luck! Bucky Using either of these methods --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Big Hard Drives in Sawtooth and Cloning
On Dec 30, 2008, at 8:07 AM, Bucky wrote: > > > > On Dec 30, 7:33 am, "JIM RAPER" wrote: >> Hello, Y'all, >> >> I have a 450 Sawtooth AGP with 2 HDs, a 5400 60 gb and a 7200 10 >> gb. Memory >> is one gig. When I upgraded from OS 9.2.2, I went up to a very >> stable OS >> 10.2.8. I put the OS X on the 60 gb. I upgraded to OS 10.2.8 >> about a year >> ago. >> Recently I noticed my HD(s) sounds a little off. Louder than >> normal. No >> problems yet. Also I am now down to 7.4 gb space left. on the >> larger drive. >> I do some picture and sound work. >> >> I want to replace both hard drives with bigger, faster, quieter >> 200 GB range >> HDs. Of course I want to keep what data, settings, apps I have. I >> have been >> studying about cloning my present hard drive(s). But, I am not >> sure if I can >> put the size (200 or more) into my present machine as it is now. >> >> Can I do the bigger drives with my present OS? Do I need to go up >> to 10.3 or >> higher? Is cloning a good way to go? Howdy, In my PCI Graphics Yikes! under Tiger 10.4.11, I use a Sonnet Tempo ATA/100 PCI Card and could have larger than 128GB PATA HDs in there "natively", but being honest, I only have an 80GB at present. To boot off the card, I'm also using Xpostfacto, since I don't have a drive off the mobo ATA channel. The Startup finds the drive without XPF, but it seems cleaner to use XPF. You wouldn't need the LA48 (name?) hack or any software, or have to worry about partitioning at 128GB ... not that those techniques would be troublesome. AFIK, In lieu of PATA PCI cards / drives, you could also buy SATA PCI cards now, and use the more modern SATA HDs as well. Then clone (CCC 3.1.3) from your off-the-mobo drives to your new drives easily. Bye now, Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Big Hard Drives in Sawtooth and Cloning
On Dec 30, 2008, at 5:07 AM, Bucky wrote: > The firmware hack has the advantage of being based in the hardware's > firmware, and as such installers will see everything past the 128 > mark. BUT will be lost anytime Open firmware is reset. It is also very > free. This is probably safer, I Do not know if this works under 9.2 > though as I Didn't have classic when I started using this method. > The LBA48 property is lost ONLY IF the "reset-nvram" O.F. command is issued. If NVRAM is not reset, then the property remains active. The LBA48 property is automatically included in all QS 2002 and later G4s. > The Hi Cap driver costs money. and is an actual driver inside the OS. > This would have to be reinstalled any time you reinstall the OS. It > doesn't support OS 9. but does support 10.2 and up. It isn't needed on OS 9, per se. However, a special initializer is needed for OS 9, which is provided by HDST. It IS needed on OS X, and it works up to 10.4.11, but it doesn't work on 10.5, which is why I abandoned it and went back to LBA48. LBA48 works on all later G4s (AGP and later, I believe, and certainly on all Gigabit through QS 2001). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Big Hard Drives in Sawtooth and Cloning
On Dec 30, 2008, at 7:33 AM, JIM RAPER wrote: > Hello, Y'all, > > I have a 450 Sawtooth AGP with 2 HDs, a 5400 60 gb and a 7200 10 > gb. Memory is one gig. When I upgraded from OS 9.2.2, I went up to > a very stable OS 10.2.8. I put the OS X on the 60 gb. I upgraded > to OS 10.2.8 about a year ago. > Recently I noticed my HD(s) sounds a little off. Louder than > normal. No problems yet. Also I am now down to 7.4 gb space left. > on the larger drive. I do some picture and sound work. > > I want to replace both hard drives with bigger, faster, quieter 200 > GB range HDs. Of course I want to keep what data, settings, apps I > have. I have been studying about cloning my present hard drive(s). > But, I am not sure if I can put the size (200 or more) into my > present machine as it is now. > > Can I do the bigger drives with my present OS? Do I need to go up > to 10.3 or higher? Is cloning a good way to go? > > TIA. Jim Hi Jim; A clone copy to an external HD would be the safest thing you could do. It should (people can sometimes screw up the simplest tasks) be 'Bootable', which will let you get back to 'square one' without problems. [I.E. --- Get an external 'FW case/200GB Drive' Clone the 60 GB drive to a 60GB partition on the 200GB drive. Get out the screw driver, and swap the 60GB & 200GB drives (200GB in system, 60GB in external case.] At that point, you SHOULD be able to boot from the internal 200GB drive and be exactly where you were. (Except for now having 200GB internally.) IF THIS doesn't work, carefully restore the 60GB to it's internal status, and tell us what you DID do, and results. Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Big Hard Drives in Sawtooth and Cloning
On Dec 30, 2008, at 12:13 PM, Charles Davis wrote: > > A clone copy to an external HD would be the safest thing you could do. > > It should (people can sometimes screw up the simplest tasks) be > 'Bootable', which will let you get back to 'square one' without > problems. > > [I.E. --- Get an external 'FW case/200GB Drive' Clone the 60 > GB drive to a 60GB partition on the 200GB drive. Get out the screw > driver, and swap the 60GB & 200GB drives (200GB in system, 60GB in > external case.] > > At that point, you SHOULD be able to boot from the internal 200GB > drive and be exactly where you were. (Except for now having 200GB > internally.) But only the first 128GB of the drive will show up ... unless you've done the Open Firmware hack mentioned earlier ... > IF THIS doesn't work, carefully restore the 60GB to it's internal > status, and tell us what you DID do, and results. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
