Re: Groups Archives disapppear

2009-09-16 Thread Al Poulin

On Sep 15, 8:44 am, diane di...@mathermotorsports.com wrote:
 At 11:52 PM -0500 9/14/09, Charles Lenington wrote:

 Kris Tilford wrote:

   Google started their Groups by purchasing the USENET newsgroups
   archives from Deja News in 2001. At that time, if I searched for
   posting in All Groups using my brother's name, I'd find search
   results going clear back into the early mid-1980's. Now, results
   barely reach back a couple years, and there seems to be no access to
   an advanced search that would give access to all the old archives,
    assuming they still exist?

 I just discovered that last week. I had the same experience, my old
 dejanews postings from the early 1990's where out there. Had I any
 idea they'd go away, I would have archived them myself.

We cannot assume that remote services are forever.  Anything that I
may possibly want access to in the future, I archive locally.  I back
up with both CCC and Time Machine.  This includes all lowendmac lists
one other forum to which I subscribe.  It includes selected content
from genealogy forums.  It includes most email messages with previous
ISPs and currently with Gmail.  Anybody who depends on an ISP's
archives while using IMAP may one day lose access.

Al Poulin
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Re: Groups Archives disapppear

2009-09-15 Thread diane

At 11:52 PM -0500 9/14/09, Charles Lenington wrote:
Kris Tilford wrote:
  
  Google started their Groups by purchasing the USENET newsgroups 
  archives from Deja News in 2001. At that time, if I searched for 
  posting in All Groups using my brother's name, I'd find search 
  results going clear back into the early mid-1980's. Now, results 
  barely reach back a couple years, and there seems to be no access to 
  an advanced search that would give access to all the old archives,
   assuming they still exist?


I just discovered that last week. I had the same experience, my old 
dejanews postings from the early 1990's where out there. Had I any 
idea they'd go away, I would have archived them myself.

I was able to find some from 2000, but it was only searching the 
group itself, not googling my email like I used to be able to.


Diane

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Groups Archives disapppear

2009-09-14 Thread Kris Tilford

I've been trying to help someone with a problem, and needed to access  
the archives of the group, and it appears Google has dumped most of  
the archives for ALL groups except for recent postings within the past  
few years? This seems crazy. There is detailed information in the  
archives that is nearly impossible to recreate.

Google started their Groups by purchasing the USENET newsgroups  
archives from Deja News in 2001. At that time, if I searched for  
posting in All Groups using my brother's name, I'd find search  
results going clear back into the early mid-1980's. Now, results  
barely reach back a couple years, and there seems to be no access to  
an advanced search that would give access to all the old archives,  
assuming they still exist?

It appears to me that this move to Google Groups isn't the wisest  
choice. Our archives have be split into disjoint sets and now are  
completely gone forever for older postings. I don't know how much  
space these old text postings take, but it must be miniscule compared  
to modern sites like Flicker. Google has really let us down.

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