Guidance on Webcam - better list to keep the piece here
Guidance on Webcam - better list to keep the piece here Dear Listers, I am very sorry that you all decided to blast my earnest request for assistance on webcams and then proceeded to hijack the subject to the point that it apparently has no moderation to morphing into an entirely different subject. BTW: Thanks for confirming that it is indeed ON TOPIC for this G List! I do not intend to leave the list, but now I ask the collective for a good place to discuss webcam issues in fairness and on a leveler playing field. This is the coming future of communications: WEBCAMS AND VOICE COMMANDS and we are on the brink of the precipice of it, but others want to drag us backward. So be it, please help me find a better place. Thank you all, JML "I'm a designated FREE SPIRIT HITCHHIKING on the Information Super Highway" (used without permit) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Guidance on Webcam - better list to keep the piece here
On Feb 23, 2010, at 2:09 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote: Guidance on Webcam - better list to keep the piece here Dear Listers, I am very sorry that you all decided to blast my earnest request for assistance on webcams and then proceeded to hijack the subject to the point that it apparently has no moderation to morphing into an entirely different subject. IIRC, you were asking about security and the referenced security hole was software knowingly installed on a computer by an administrator who had physical access. There is no protection from that short of reformatting the disk, or destroying it. Hence, the morphing of the thread to disk destruction. BTW: Thanks for confirming that it is indeed ON TOPIC for this G List! I do not intend to leave the list, but now I ask the collective for a good place to discuss webcam issues in fairness and on a leveler playing field. As long as you are using it on a G Mac, ask away here This is the coming future of communications: WEBCAMS AND VOICE COMMANDS and we are on the brink of the precipice of it, but others want to drag us backward. So be it, please help me find a better place. Webcams-fine. The promise of videophones from when I was a kid has finally started arriving. I used one in 1967 at the Expo '67 Worlds Fair in Montreal to speak with some other kids in Disneyland in California. Impressive stuff to a 8 yo kid. As to voice commands, with the exception of differently abled people who need it, please, Lord, N. It is one thing if you live alone and have no one else around, but voice commands in an open office environment? Or any office environment where doors are open? At night at home when the kids are asleep? I'll stick with my KB and mouse, thank you very much. Now, if they ever get the alpha wave (or whatever works) scanners working at a reasonable price and accuracy, then we can talk. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Guidance on Webcam - better list to keep the piece here
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote: > Guidance on Webcam - better list to keep the piece here > > Dear Listers, > > I am very sorry that you all decided to blast my earnest request for > assistance on webcams and then proceeded to hijack the subject to the point > that it apparently has no moderation to morphing into an entirely different > subject. > > BTW: Thanks for confirming that it is indeed ON TOPIC for this G List! > > I do not intend to leave the list, but now I ask the collective for a good > place to discuss webcam issues in fairness and on a leveler playing field. > > This is the coming future of communications: WEBCAMS AND VOICE COMMANDS > and we are on the brink of the precipice of it, but others want to drag us > backward. So be it, please help me find a better place. > > Thank you all, > > JML > Where have you been? Webcams and voice command is around for many years and the technology is pretty old. It sure is not "the future of communication". In your previous post you said something about watching your house over the Internet. The best solution would be using an IP based camera (or network camera), means a camera that does not use your computer. You just set it up and plug it in to your router. D-Link makes some decent one, the best ones I have worked with are from AXIS. Peter M. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Guidance on Webcam - better list to keep the piece here
Jonas has been asking about webcams for years now. I think it started with setting up streaming video for his church so that shut-ins could see and hear the services. I looked at his thread. With the current story in the news who is to say he does not have a credible concern regarding computers he may fix and give to needy students? Why deride him for simply asking? Is that the spirit that LEM has fostered over the years? So far he has rather little discussion of webcam issues. And when he said something about the thread not leading to cogent information he was attacked and chastised for not putting his concern on a list where it belongs ( according to some. A LIST WITH NO READERS ! Then another lister, unheard from until now, an unknown participant( which is OK) makes a SNIDE innuendo which is extremely unfair to Jonas. I know it is Winter and we always have these cabin fever breakouts of incivility, but come on people. This list is here to help. Not judge those asking for help. if it's ego gratification you need go to the nearest Starbucks or other coffee shop, swill some high test and start a conversation there. That's what I do ! Or is it easier to be mean when you can't see their faces or there expressions? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Guidance on Webcam - better list to keep the piece here
On Feb 23, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: I looked at his thread. With the current story in the news who is to say he does not have a credible concern regarding computers he may fix and give to needy students? Why deride him for simply asking? Is that the spirit that LEM has fostered over the years? So far he has rather little discussion of webcam issues. And when he said something about the thread not leading to cogent information he was attacked and chastised for not putting his concern on a list where it belongs ( according to some. A LIST WITH NO READERS ! The thread did have cogent answers. They were provided clearly and early in the thread. The story in the news is about someone who has physical access to the computers, root level admin privileges and permission from higher ups to install the monitoring software. The only way to make sure that similar software is not on donated computers is to either nuke and pave the HD (write zeros to every sector and do a clean install) or to remove the old drive and install a new one. Both options were discussed in the early parts of the thread. The latter option is what led the thread to HD destruction. It is not an exploit that can be installed remotely without explicit permission of an administrator level user, at least on Macs. Therefore, there is very little to worry about if you follow one of the two above options. The chastisement was to take a discussion to the LEMlists list, which was specifically set up to discuss the policies and practices on the LEM lists. It is not an active list, but many of the LEM nannies and Dan do monitor it closely. That being said, as I posted before, we do allow civil discussion of list issues on the list. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
