Re: Is a powerPC G4 really powerful?
I am still sticking with my Dual Dual 2.7Ghz PM G5 A1117 Late '05 and my Reliable Sawtooth. I do have an intel Mac however, It has the quad-core 2.6Ghz i7. The G5 PM only beats it by 0.5%. Other than that, I always use my sawtooth to write my email. -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Is a powerPC G4 really powerful?
The G4 added AltiVec a SIMD (single instruction multiple data) as a coprocessor within the chip. It could execute 16 8 bit instructions at once. An excellent leap at the time. I fell in love with the G4 MDD, bought one new, and have been buying more systems on eBay. I maintain that if you created a metric for performance per dollar, a used G4 dual 1.25GHz at $150 is an outlier in just what you get for your money. Even going head to head with new PCs. On May 10, 1:20 am, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: > Here are the results: (My scale is this: If the Cinebench score let's say is > 2.0, I move the decimal to the right and make it a 20.) > > 1400Mhz PowerPC G4 (21.0) > 1400Mhz Intel P4 (17.0) > 900Mhz PowerPC G3 (16.5) > 1800Mhz PowerPC G5 (32.4) > 1400Mhz Intel P3 (06.7) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Is a powerPC G4 really powerful?
Hello, Which PowerPC G4? There are several flavors. MPC-7450, MPC-7441/7451, MPC-7445/7455, MPC-7447/7457, and MPC-7448. Motorola no long manufactures µP's. Freescale has now taken over the µP production of G4's. G5's were and still are manufactured by IBM. I would like to see Freescale produce a non-µController version of a dual e600 core (the MPC-7448 core). I could not run Cinebench 11.529 because it no longer supports G4's (although I can run the CPU test since it does support 32-bit G5; but, not the OpenGL). I could not find an earlier version of Cinebench to test the dual 1.73 GHz MPC-7448 in my system. Does anyone know where I can get an earlier version? The rating for Geekbench is 1398. The OpenMark rating of the ATI Radeon 9800 @ 1440 x 900 x 32 was 9331. On May 10, 2010, at 8:53 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On May 9, 2010, at 10:20 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: Believe it or not only the most powerful and most decked out of the PowerPC G5 series actually beat today's powerful i7 processors. No the i7 is actually very slightly faster, Ghz for Ghz. A 2.7 GHZ system is clocked about 8% faster than a 2.6 but the i7 score 7.79 is 99.5% of the G5s. -- Bruce Johnson "Wherever you go, there you are" B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list Frank J. R. Hanstick tro...@comcast.net -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Is a powerPC G4 really powerful?
On May 9, 2010, at 10:20 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: > > Believe it or not only the most powerful and most decked out of the > PowerPC G5 series actually beat today's powerful i7 processors. No the i7 is actually very slightly faster, Ghz for Ghz. A 2.7 GHZ system is clocked about 8% faster than a 2.6 but the i7 score 7.79 is 99.5% of the G5s. -- Bruce Johnson "Wherever you go, there you are" B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Is a powerPC G4 really powerful?
Try using Geekbench. I did the test using my laptop with a 1.6ghz Athlon64 TF-20 vs my Powerbook G4 1.67ghz and the Athlon system smoked it. Most of the benchmarking programs and software Apple uses in their demonstrations are optimized for Altivec and don't use Intel and AMD's extensions very well, if at all. On May 10, 1:20 am, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: > Hello Guys ans Gals who use PowerPC Macs. this is about that commercial that > when Apple claimed that the PowerPC G4 processor is 2x more powerful than > the G3 processor, and 3x as powerful as a pentium 3 at the same clock speed. > Well, I did some testing, and It turns out that the PowerPC G4 processor is > more powerful than you think it is. As we all know, the PowerPC G4 is > nowhere nearly as close to being as powerful as the PowerPC G5, but I did > some testing using the program Cinebench, and I converted the scores to my > scale. > Here are the results: (My scale is this: If the Cinebench score let's say is > 2.0, I move the decimal to the right and make it a 20.) > > 1400Mhz PowerPC G4 (21.0) > 1400Mhz Intel P4 (17.0) > 900Mhz PowerPC G3 (16.5) > 1800Mhz PowerPC G5 (32.4) > 1400Mhz Intel P3 (06.7) > > Accorsing to my analasys, The PowerPC G4 processor Is actually more than 3 > times more powerful than the pentium 3 processor at the same clock speed, > and it still outperforms the Pentium 4 at the same clock speed. (Nice job > Apple! Let's see you beat Microsoft at their own game!) Afterwards, I tested > a Dual Dual PowerPC G5 processor at 2.7Ghz vs an Intel i7 Quad core at > 2.6Ghz. And here are the results: > > (Technically a quad core but they called it a Dual Dual back then) PowerPC > G5 Dual Dual @2.7Ghz (7.83) > Intel i7 Quad core > @2.6Ghz.(7.79) > > Believe it or not only the most powerful and most decked out of the > PowerPC G5 series actually beat today's powerful i7 processors. Intel is 5 > years behind. What they call "Automatically boosting performance", Is what > Apple called "AltiVec Velocity engine" over 10 years ago. The PowerPC G3-G5 > series of processors are aging, and eventually will no longer be of any > competition to today's processors. Unfortionately, at Intel's rate of > development, The PowerPC G5 processor will only be able to stay above the > line of obsoleteness for another 2-3 years. For now it can compete against > the i7 processors, but eventually it won't even rise up to a challenge even > to the Intel atom processors. Unless Apple makes a swift move to start a new > contract with Motorola again and Make the newer version of the PowerPC G5 or > even the PowerPC G6 processor, the PowerPC processor history only lies in > the hands of us who still have these pieces of history. Slowly the wonderful > and successful processor arcitechture dies in those who demolish, recycle > and destroy Apple computers that use these processors. There may be millions > still left out there now, but by 2020, I estimate no more than 20,000 will > be left. By 2100, it will be nothing more than a distant memory in the very > few who still have them. I only say one thing. Preserve this history, > because although there is a possibility that maybe another company may make > the PowerPC processors again, we will never see them made by Apple again or > maybe even any that are able to run Mac OS or OS X that aren't made by > Apple. > > -- > Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette > guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Is a powerPC G4 really powerful?
hmmm... G5 Dual Dual @2.7Ghz (7.83) > Intel i7 Quad core > @2.6Ghz.(7.79) Those software is optimized for G5 and but not optimized for i7 i guess... 2010/5/10 Mark Sokolovsky : > Hello Guys ans Gals who use PowerPC Macs. this is about that commercial that > when Apple claimed that the PowerPC G4 processor is 2x more powerful than > the G3 processor, and 3x as powerful as a pentium 3 at the same clock speed. > Well, I did some testing, and It turns out that the PowerPC G4 processor is > more powerful than you think it is. As we all know, the PowerPC G4 is > nowhere nearly as close to being as powerful as the PowerPC G5, but I did > some testing using the program Cinebench, and I converted the scores to my > scale. > Here are the results: (My scale is this: If the Cinebench score let's say is > 2.0, I move the decimal to the right and make it a 20.) > > 1400Mhz PowerPC G4 (21.0) > 1400Mhz Intel P4 (17.0) > 900Mhz PowerPC G3 (16.5) > 1800Mhz PowerPC G5 (32.4) > 1400Mhz Intel P3 (06.7) > > Accorsing to my analasys, The PowerPC G4 processor Is actually more than 3 > times more powerful than the pentium 3 processor at the same clock speed, > and it still outperforms the Pentium 4 at the same clock speed. (Nice job > Apple! Let's see you beat Microsoft at their own game!) Afterwards, I tested > a Dual Dual PowerPC G5 processor at 2.7Ghz vs an Intel i7 Quad core at > 2.6Ghz. And here are the results: > > (Technically a quad core but they called it a Dual Dual back then) PowerPC > G5 Dual Dual @2.7Ghz (7.83) > Intel i7 Quad core > @2.6Ghz.(7.79) > > Believe it or not only the most powerful and most decked out of the > PowerPC G5 series actually beat today's powerful i7 processors. Intel is 5 > years behind. What they call "Automatically boosting performance", Is what > Apple called "AltiVec Velocity engine" over 10 years ago. The PowerPC G3-G5 > series of processors are aging, and eventually will no longer be of any > competition to today's processors. Unfortionately, at Intel's rate of > development, The PowerPC G5 processor will only be able to stay above the > line of obsoleteness for another 2-3 years. For now it can compete against > the i7 processors, but eventually it won't even rise up to a challenge even > to the Intel atom processors. Unless Apple makes a swift move to start a new > contract with Motorola again and Make the newer version of the PowerPC G5 or > even the PowerPC G6 processor, the PowerPC processor history only lies in > the hands of us who still have these pieces of history. Slowly the wonderful > and successful processor arcitechture dies in those who demolish, recycle > and destroy Apple computers that use these processors. There may be millions > still left out there now, but by 2020, I estimate no more than 20,000 will > be left. By 2100, it will be nothing more than a distant memory in the very > few who still have them. I only say one thing. Preserve this history, > because although there is a possibility that maybe another company may make > the PowerPC processors again, we will never see them made by Apple again or > maybe even any that are able to run Mac OS or OS X that aren't made by > Apple. > > -- > Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > -- Baha Ata -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Is a powerPC G4 really powerful?
Hello Guys ans Gals who use PowerPC Macs. this is about that commercial that when Apple claimed that the PowerPC G4 processor is 2x more powerful than the G3 processor, and 3x as powerful as a pentium 3 at the same clock speed. Well, I did some testing, and It turns out that the PowerPC G4 processor is more powerful than you think it is. As we all know, the PowerPC G4 is nowhere nearly as close to being as powerful as the PowerPC G5, but I did some testing using the program Cinebench, and I converted the scores to my scale. Here are the results: (My scale is this: If the Cinebench score let's say is 2.0, I move the decimal to the right and make it a 20.) 1400Mhz PowerPC G4 (21.0) 1400Mhz Intel P4 (17.0) 900Mhz PowerPC G3 (16.5) 1800Mhz PowerPC G5 (32.4) 1400Mhz Intel P3 (06.7) Accorsing to my analasys, The PowerPC G4 processor Is actually more than 3 times more powerful than the pentium 3 processor at the same clock speed, and it still outperforms the Pentium 4 at the same clock speed. (Nice job Apple! Let's see you beat Microsoft at their own game!) Afterwards, I tested a Dual Dual PowerPC G5 processor at 2.7Ghz vs an Intel i7 Quad core at 2.6Ghz. And here are the results: (Technically a quad core but they called it a Dual Dual back then) PowerPC G5 Dual Dual @2.7Ghz (7.83) Intel i7 Quad core @2.6Ghz.(7.79) Believe it or not only the most powerful and most decked out of the PowerPC G5 series actually beat today's powerful i7 processors. Intel is 5 years behind. What they call "Automatically boosting performance", Is what Apple called "AltiVec Velocity engine" over 10 years ago. The PowerPC G3-G5 series of processors are aging, and eventually will no longer be of any competition to today's processors. Unfortionately, at Intel's rate of development, The PowerPC G5 processor will only be able to stay above the line of obsoleteness for another 2-3 years. For now it can compete against the i7 processors, but eventually it won't even rise up to a challenge even to the Intel atom processors. Unless Apple makes a swift move to start a new contract with Motorola again and Make the newer version of the PowerPC G5 or even the PowerPC G6 processor, the PowerPC processor history only lies in the hands of us who still have these pieces of history. Slowly the wonderful and successful processor arcitechture dies in those who demolish, recycle and destroy Apple computers that use these processors. There may be millions still left out there now, but by 2020, I estimate no more than 20,000 will be left. By 2100, it will be nothing more than a distant memory in the very few who still have them. I only say one thing. Preserve this history, because although there is a possibility that maybe another company may make the PowerPC processors again, we will never see them made by Apple again or maybe even any that are able to run Mac OS or OS X that aren't made by Apple. -- Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
