Re: Leave Runnin? Or Not?
> > >B&W G3s (Smurfs) do not sleep. They do sleep the monitor but the >computer doesn't sleep so it keeps using the same amount of power. The >monitor does account for about half the power so sleeping it does save a >fair amount. My Smurf slept soundly. Larry --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leave Runnin? Or Not?
On 10/14/09 12:18 PM, "Lawrence David Eden" wrote: > > I used to turn my Mac off whenever I was not using it. My intention > was to save electricity. However, a few months ago, I had some > startup issues with my old Smurf and I began leaving the computer on > because re-starts were traumatic. > Those issues have all been resolved now (Thanks, DC), but I found > that the convenience of having my Mac on all the time was worth the > electricity I was burning. I use sleep mode and my monitor sleeps > too. I have not seen any difference in my electric bill. > > > Larry I leave my machines on all the time (5 Macs an' 3 peecees). Most of them are running s...@home and while the iMac does boot up quickly, I just don't want to wait! ;-) Electric bill is only 'bout $67 a month, so I don't worry. amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leave Runnin? Or Not?
At 2:31 PM -0700 10/14/2009, Clark Martin wrote: >Lawrence David Eden wrote: >> I used to turn my Mac off whenever I was not using it. My intention >> was to save electricity. However, a few months ago, I had some >> startup issues with my old Smurf and I began leaving the computer on >> because re-starts were traumatic. >> Those issues have all been resolved now (Thanks, DC), but I found >> that the convenience of having my Mac on all the time was worth the >> electricity I was burning. I use sleep mode and my monitor sleeps >> too. I have not seen any difference in my electric bill. > >B&W G3s (Smurfs) do not sleep. They do sleep the monitor but the >computer doesn't sleep so it keeps using the same amount of power. wuh? When I select Sleep on me Smurf... The monitor sleeps, the HD spins down, the external interfaces all go down. Then about 15 seconds later, the fan stops running. When I wake, Activity Monitor shows dead time, not active cpu. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leave Runnin? Or Not?
Lawrence David Eden wrote: > I used to turn my Mac off whenever I was not using it. My intention > was to save electricity. However, a few months ago, I had some > startup issues with my old Smurf and I began leaving the computer on > because re-starts were traumatic. > Those issues have all been resolved now (Thanks, DC), but I found > that the convenience of having my Mac on all the time was worth the > electricity I was burning. I use sleep mode and my monitor sleeps > too. I have not seen any difference in my electric bill. B&W G3s (Smurfs) do not sleep. They do sleep the monitor but the computer doesn't sleep so it keeps using the same amount of power. The monitor does account for about half the power so sleeping it does save a fair amount. Note that G3 iMacs and G4 Towers in sleep still draw a fair amount of power, about 1/4 that of when awake. Intel iMacs draw as much power (around 1W) whether asleep or off. This is based on actual measurements of power drawn. None of this is going to be noticeable on your electric bill, the computer being on or not gets lost in the noise. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway" --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leave Runnin? Or Not?
I used to turn my Mac off whenever I was not using it. My intention was to save electricity. However, a few months ago, I had some startup issues with my old Smurf and I began leaving the computer on because re-starts were traumatic. Those issues have all been resolved now (Thanks, DC), but I found that the convenience of having my Mac on all the time was worth the electricity I was burning. I use sleep mode and my monitor sleeps too. I have not seen any difference in my electric bill. Larry --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leave Runnin? Or Not?
On Oct 14, 2009, at 6:25 AM, norm46 wrote: > Dan > Do not forget that sometime during the night if left on the mac does > certain system checks etc. I leave my mac on 24/7 with no discernible > damage and set to sleep. Power consumption is minimal. > Norm In 10.5, if the periodic scripts have not been run on time, I believe they run at the next startup. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leave Runnin? Or Not?
Dan Do not forget that sometime during the night if left on the mac does certain system checks etc. I leave my mac on 24/7 with no discernible damage and set to sleep. Power consumption is minimal. Norm On Oct 13, 10:54 am, Dan wrote: > At 10:45 PM -0400 10/12/2009, Richard Gerome wrote: > > -- > - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leave Runnin? Or Not?
FWIW I always shut my Macs down when I won't be using them for awhile ... QS 2002 Dual 1GHz (with a replaced mobo, due to electrical shock treatment) DA Dual 533 (cpu upgrade by seller) Yikes! oc'd to 450 PowerMac 8500 w.Sonnet G4/450 or G3/500 (can't remember since its been off several months) Compaq Presario (gutted, so it may never run again ...) My rationale is they are more vulnerable to power shifts when on, so I control their shifts by turning them off daily. I only use one daily (my DA 533, so it gets the most shutdown/power up abuse. Also try to disconnect the phone line to DSL whenever an electrical storm passes ... they're vulnerable if hard wired ethernet-ted. Also disconnect the ethernet cables when I'm feeling especially sensitive. And unplug everything from the walls, if a passing storm is particularly threatening. And ... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leave Runnin? Or Not?
At 11:53 AM -0700 10/13/2009, Jonas Ulrich wrote: >Interesting that someone should bring up this question. I have a >dual 1GHZ MDD and have been wondering the exact same thing. I never >shut mine down. It has been running for 9 days straight without >sleep. And before the power outage it was up for 29 days straight >without sleep, and before that 31 days straight without sleep, but >had to shut it down to replace the modem. My main machine here runs 24/7, no sleep. It checks email, is connected to irc, im's, and providing some private file sharing services. Ditto for my server. Only had one problemo in recent memory -- I left open a Safari window running a flash game. When it lost its network connection (donno why) it went nutz trying to regain it. Started sucking up 100% of my cpu etc. No real harm done; just annoying. It made the evening incremental backup take an extra two hours. :\ If you don't have 'net connections running, then Sleep, Data, Sleep. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leave Runnin? Or Not?
Interesting that someone should bring up this question. I have a dual 1GHZ MDD and have been wondering the exact same thing. I never shut mine down. It has been running for 9 days straight without sleep. And before the power outage it was up for 29 days straight without sleep, and before that 31 days straight without sleep, but had to shut it down to replace the modem. -Jonas On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Dan wrote: > > At 10:45 PM -0400 10/12/2009, Richard Gerome wrote: > >I had some friends in the past leave their computer on and online on > >a website they were checking out all night and they all had to clean > >the drive and reinstall but they all had PC's > > Their error was using Windoze in the first place. And keep in mind > that the basic troubleshooting step for Windoze is to reinstall. > > But you're smarter than that. You use a Mac. And Apple is smart > enough to have designed an operating system that doesn't corrupt > itself! > > >Another thing that isn't good to do is download your e-mail to your > >computer via Outlook etc etc etc... I always check my e-mail in > >webmail (on earthlink's website in my case)... I'm not sure how > >all this works (hackers spyware phishing) so I don't take any > >chances... > > There is NO added safety provided by using webmail. I think you need > to learn exactly what malware is and how it works. > > - Dan. > -- > - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leave Runnin? Or Not?
At 10:45 PM -0400 10/12/2009, Richard Gerome wrote: >I had some friends in the past leave their computer on and online on >a website they were checking out all night and they all had to clean >the drive and reinstall but they all had PC's Their error was using Windoze in the first place. And keep in mind that the basic troubleshooting step for Windoze is to reinstall. But you're smarter than that. You use a Mac. And Apple is smart enough to have designed an operating system that doesn't corrupt itself! >Another thing that isn't good to do is download your e-mail to your >computer via Outlook etc etc etc... I always check my e-mail in >webmail (on earthlink's website in my case)... I'm not sure how >all this works (hackers spyware phishing) so I don't take any >chances... There is NO added safety provided by using webmail. I think you need to learn exactly what malware is and how it works. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leave Runnin? Or Not?
At 10:22 PM -0400 10/12/2009, Richard Gerome wrote: >I always shut mine down when I'm not using it You mean overnight or repeatedly, each day? Overnight - ok. Repeatedly - bad. That full power-up is the worst wear'n'tear you can hit a machine with - especially an older one. >for these reasons: Save on electric bill, I think the computer will >last longer including the battery If the machine is unpowered (unplugged) the battery is used to maintain the PMU and clock, which would of course shorten its life. As for saving on the electric bill... heh. Assumin the display is off/sleeping... I doubt any Mac uses significant power while sleeping. They always use a "trickle" of a few watts (when plugged in), to keep the PMU, buses, USB, and keyboard running. In sleep mode, add just a few more watts. The Mac Pro, eg, trickles about 4.5 watts and sleeps about 7.8 watts. About screensavers... If you're leaving your Mac for a few mins, screensavers are fine. But for longer periods, they're not so smart. They keep the display going, using max power. And depending on the complexity of the screensaver, they can even use a lot of cpu and other resources, including generate enough heat to require the fans... >and if you leave it on and online there is less chance for hackers >to get into the computer with spyware or phish and get any of your >info you may have saved on your computer, even though Apples are a >lot less prone to viruses they can still get your info out of them... Leaving it online creates *less chance"? um The ONLY way your Mac can become infected with something is for you to ACTIVELY fetch the malware onto your machine then MANUALLY execute it and MANUALLY give it your admin password. Of course, that requires that there be "something" out in the wild that can actually infect your Mac. Right now, those types of malware only exist in Bill Gate's dreams. >How many e-mails do you get from spammers that you have no idea how >they got your e-mail address??? The ability of a spammer to purchase a mailing list, or use a dictionary attack, has nothing to do with things your Mac might be doing while you're afk. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leave Runnin? Or Not?
At 9:54 PM -0400 10/12/2009, James Morgan wrote: >Is it a good idea to leave my mirror door G4's running all the time? >Or is it better to shut them down at night? Macs and OS X are designed for sleep / wake cycles. As long as you don't have some hardware installed that prevents it, the best thing to do is to just sleep the machine. Or at least sleep the display(s). That reduces the power usage to a minimum, etc. A final shutdown at night and a boot the next day is no big deal tho, wrt wear'n'tear on the hardware. FWIW, all our Macs here sleep, except my Smurf and the ones I'm using as servers. Those stay awake, so as to keep their network connections live. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leave Runnin? Or Not?
At 10:45 PM -0400 10/12/09, Richard Gerome wrote: > I had some friends in the past leave their computer on and >online on a website they were checking out all night and they all >had to clean the drive and reinstall but they all had PC's and this >was happening about 4-5 yrs ago when everyone was getting cable >internet... Another thing that isn't good to do is download your >e-mail to your computer via Outlook etc etc etc... I always check my >e-mail in webmail (on earthlink's website in my case)... I'm not >sure how all this works (hackers spyware phishing) so I don't take >any chances... I never had any problems in the 17yrs I've been using >computers and surfing the internet, my first computer 1993 Mac >Performa 475 with that old time ph modem your had to lay your ph on >and it would take around 2 hrs to get online... CoolKat My first Mac was a 1987 SE, I ALWAYS download my email to the machine (why trust someone else's server to archive your email, and besides, webmail is SO slow compared to it being on the machine itself). Interesting comment on your modem, I had (and I think it's still in the closet if anyone wants to buy a vintage modem) the 300 baud modem, I don't remember any Apple ones from that era being ones you had to put the phone in. I did see one in War Games though. For years I'd shut my machine down at night as I was able to collect my email at work. Once I couldn't do that anymore I kept it on for days especially in the winter. Once it got hot I'd shut it down again when I wasn't using it. I think what you have misunderstood is that it's not good to preview messages you've downloaded. This was an issue when there were macro viruses floating around. Macs are just not as susceptible to viruses as PCs are but being careful is always a good thing. My desktop is a G4 FW800, also with Mirrored Drive Doors. Diane --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leave Runnin? Or Not?
I had some friends in the past leave their computer on and online on a website they were checking out all night and they all had to clean the drive and reinstall but they all had PC's and this was happening about 4-5 yrs ago when everyone was getting cable internet... Another thing that isn't good to do is download your e-mail to your computer via Outlook etc etc etc... I always check my e-mail in webmail (on earthlink's website in my case)... I'm not sure how all this works (hackers spyware phishing) so I don't take any chances... I never had any problems in the 17yrs I've been using computers and surfing the internet, my first computer 1993 Mac Performa 475 with that old time ph modem your had to lay your ph on and it would take around 2 hrs to get online... CoolKat -Original Message- >From: Chance Reecher >Sent: Oct 12, 2009 10:24 PM >To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com >Subject: Re: Leave Runnin? Or Not? > > >Umm, phishing requires user interaction with some level of stupidity, >which doesn't occur when leaving a computer on overnight. Just a thought... > >Richard Gerome wrote: >> or phish and get any of your info you may have saved on your computer >> >> >> >> > >> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leave Runnin? Or Not?
Umm, phishing requires user interaction with some level of stupidity, which doesn't occur when leaving a computer on overnight. Just a thought... Richard Gerome wrote: > or phish and get any of your info you may have saved on your computer > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leave Runnin? Or Not?
I always shut mine down when I'm not using it, for these reasons: Save on electric bill, I think the computer will last longer including the battery and if you leave it on and online there is less chance for hackers to get into the computer with spyware or phish and get any of your info you may have saved on your computer, even though Apples are a lot less prone to viruses they can still get your info out of them... How many e-mails do you get from spammers that you have no idea how they got your e-mail address??? CoolKat-Original Message- From: James Morgan Sent: Oct 12, 2009 9:54 PM To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Leave Runnin? Or Not? Is it a good idea to leave my mirror door G4's running all the time? Or is it better to shut them down at night? I''ve been shutting them down at night for seven years. Guess I should have asked this question sooner. James Morgan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Leave Runnin? Or Not?
Is it a good idea to leave my mirror door G4's running all the time? Or is it better to shut them down at night? I''ve been shutting them down at night for seven years. Guess I should have asked this question sooner. James Morgan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
