Re: CLOSING THREAD [Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4]

[David Stoltz]

THANK YOU!


On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Fabian Fang  wrote:

>
> On May 12, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Dennis Myhand wrote:
>
> > DEAR GOD SOMEONE PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD!  THIS DEAD HORSE HAS
> > BEEN
> > FLOGGED ENOUGH!
> >
> > Baha Ata wrote and wrote and wrote:
>
>
> This thread has run with over 70 messages, with one person accounting
> for almost one-third of the messages, mostly arguing, disagreeing, and
> even quoting his own previous posts.
>
> The original poster has long since decided to acquire a Tiger disc,
> and has posted a WTB message on the LEM Swap List.  It is not for the
> rest of us to tell him that he should not get it, or should go to
> RapidShare, or whatever.
>
> The thread is hereby declared CLOSED.  Any further comments should be
> sent to me or another List Nanny, and ONLY by private messages.
>
> Fabian Fang
> G3-5 List Nanny
>
> >
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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[James E. Therrault]

I believe that you are correct.  Additionally, the OEM license alows 
free upgrades for that major version and that is why when a machine is 
sold, it should include the original disks.

JT


Baha Ata wrote:
> Totally misleading factor. OEM licenses belong the machines not people
> :) So if you got the machine you got the license of it. If it is OEM
> licensed machine... All apple's comes with eproms and Systems... No
> single Apple produced without system. So... Do u really catch the
> point?
> 
> Anyway i cut it.. Whatever you may thing out there, but belive me i am
> shocked that i have never been in USA and probably know more than
> general of you about rules and obligations about your country.
> 
> Thanks again. I am hussed.
> 
> 2009/5/12 joe :
> 
>>
>>On May 11, 2009, at 7:39 PM, Baha Ata wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Yes above one of my post i state that they may use OEM license... for
>>>one install..
>>
>>And it's already been pointed out to you that the license for the Mac
>>OS that comes installed on a new Mac only goes to the original
>>purchaser and is not transferable.
>>
>>Joe
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 


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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[joe]

On May 12, 2009, at 3:01 PM, Baha Ata wrote:

>
> As moderator said topic closed. We will continue if you like with
> personal emails.
I have not seen a moderator declare this topic closed.  Dennis asked  
that someone please close it (because apparently he is obliged to  
read this thread against his will).


>
> Ask Apple:
>
> For example i bought two computer :)
>
> With system 10.5
>
> One of them system disc lost?
>
> What will i do?
>
> Ask Apple:
>
> My neighbour got new G5 , i have a new G5, same model, same  
> production number...
>
> " i lost my installation disc?
>
> can i barrow from my neighbour :)"
No, you cannot legally borrow it from your neighbor.  Your neighbor  
would be violating his Software License Agreement (assuming he still  
has the OS on his machine).

If you bought the computer new, there's a document that has the OS  
information on it.   I have used that to replace a lost or damaged  
install disk (not the retail OS, but the install disk that I, the  
original purchaser, received with the new computer).  Apple did that  
for me once upon a time.  (It was 9.1, I believe, on my G4.)

But that's not the situation described by the OP in this thread.

You can get the software license agreements (in nearly any language)  
from this page: http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/

Here's the appropriate excerpt of the SLA for Tiger (from  http:// 
images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macosx1044.pdf ):

 From 2.A: "This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist  
on more than one computer at a time, and you may not make the Apple  
Software available over a network where it could be used by multiple  
computers at the same time. If you use Setup Assistant to transfer  
software from one Apple-labeled computer to another Apple-labeled  
computer, please remember that continued use of the original copy of  
the software may be prohibited once a copy has been transferred to  
another computer, unless you already have a licensed copy of such  
software on both computers. You should check the relevant software  
license agreements for applicable terms and conditions. You may make  
one copy of the Apple Software (excluding the Boot ROM code) in  
machine-readable form for backup purposes only; provided that the  
backup copy must include all copyright or other proprietary notices  
contained on the original."

A couple of key clauses: "This License does not allow the Apple  
Software to exist on more than one computer at a time"
"You may make one copy of the Apple Software... for backup purposes  
only".

Note, the OP of this thread does not have a license to the software.

Further, this is from the rules page of the lemswap list:   
"Trafficking in wares and pirated software is illegal, violates the  
rules of the list, and disrespects the buyer. Only original copies of  
software may be sold on this list. This also applies to software  
'left on' hard drives or installed on computers. Original software  
disks (not copies) must be included with the sale, along with  
manuals, serial numbers, etc."
http://lowendmac.com/lists/swap.html


Joe

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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Baha Ata]

it is ended. but... i cannot belive myself that i cannot explain what
i am in... i must live in there i guess to understand or describe
myself...

Iam glad to have this conversasition, and taking pleasure. I am mean
on it. Thanks.

As moderator said topic closed. We will continue if you like with
personal emails.

BUT

Please consider these:::

Ask Apple:

For example i bought two computer :)

With system 10.5

One of them system disc lost?

What will i do?

Ask Apple:

My neighbour got new G5 , i have a new G5, same model, same production number...

" i lost my installation disc?

can i barrow from my neighbour :)"

Please ask these question to Apple

Ask that could you use internet to get the copy of it? Not public server?

That is the end. I guess.

2009/5/12 joe :
>
>
> On May 12, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Baha Ata wrote:
>>  So... Do u really catch the
>> point?
>
>
> Look, Baha, don't be snarky.  I understand what you're saying.  The
> thing is, what you're saying is wrong.
>
>> OEM licenses belong the machines not people
>
> Software licenses do not belong to machines.
>
>>  All apple's comes with eproms and Systems... No
>> single Apple produced without system.
>
> Aside from a few Macs (like the Mac SE) that had OS's on their ROM
> chips, all Apples are produced without an OS.  They're all sold
> *with* an OS (and install disks).  If you sell a machine with an OS
> installed on it, you're supposed to include the install disks.  (In
> other words, you can't use 1 license to install the OS on multiple
> machines--you're supposed to buy that OS for each machine.)
>
> The OP of this thread described a situation where the person did not
> own the OS.  He is not entitled to download it from some sharing site
> as you advised him to do.  I still think his first recourse should be
> to contact the seller who should have included disks.  If the OS
> wasn't part of the purchase price, then it's up to him to purchase
> the OS.
>
> I catch your point, but you're wrong.
>
> Joe
>
>
> >
>



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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[joe]

On May 12, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Baha Ata wrote:
>  So... Do u really catch the
> point?


Look, Baha, don't be snarky.  I understand what you're saying.  The  
thing is, what you're saying is wrong.

> OEM licenses belong the machines not people

Software licenses do not belong to machines.

>  All apple's comes with eproms and Systems... No
> single Apple produced without system.

Aside from a few Macs (like the Mac SE) that had OS's on their ROM  
chips, all Apples are produced without an OS.  They're all sold  
*with* an OS (and install disks).  If you sell a machine with an OS  
installed on it, you're supposed to include the install disks.  (In  
other words, you can't use 1 license to install the OS on multiple  
machines--you're supposed to buy that OS for each machine.)

The OP of this thread described a situation where the person did not  
own the OS.  He is not entitled to download it from some sharing site  
as you advised him to do.  I still think his first recourse should be  
to contact the seller who should have included disks.  If the OS  
wasn't part of the purchase price, then it's up to him to purchase  
the OS.

I catch your point, but you're wrong.

Joe


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CLOSING THREAD [Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4]

[Fabian Fang]

On May 12, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Dennis Myhand wrote:

> DEAR GOD SOMEONE PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD!  THIS DEAD HORSE HAS  
> BEEN
> FLOGGED ENOUGH!
>
> Baha Ata wrote and wrote and wrote:


This thread has run with over 70 messages, with one person accounting  
for almost one-third of the messages, mostly arguing, disagreeing, and  
even quoting his own previous posts.

The original poster has long since decided to acquire a Tiger disc,  
and has posted a WTB message on the LEM Swap List.  It is not for the  
rest of us to tell him that he should not get it, or should go to  
RapidShare, or whatever.

The thread is hereby declared CLOSED.  Any further comments should be  
sent to me or another List Nanny, and ONLY by private messages.

Fabian Fang
G3-5 List Nanny

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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Dennis Myhand]

DEAR GOD SOMEONE PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD!  THIS DEAD HORSE HAS BEEN 
FLOGGED ENOUGH!

Baha Ata wrote:
> distribute:
> to promote, sell, and ship or deliver (an item or line of merchandise)
> to individual customers, esp. in a specified region or area.
> 
> lend:
> to give (money) on condition that it is returned and that interest is
> paid for its temporary use.
> 
> share:
> the full or proper portion or part allotted or belonging to or
> contributed or owed by an individual or group.
> 
> 
> 2009/5/12 Baha Ata :
>> please look meanings of LEND or redistribute. It is not same meaning
>> giving the install cd to  someone that has the right using that cd...
>> It is not meaning giving that cd to someone that has no right using...
>> Do u remember that how many copy you may make from orginal DVD when
>> first DVD released out in USA.
>>
>> Please do not confuse LEND OR REDISTRIBUTE with optaining your legal
>> copy You may copy your DVD and lost them, you may barrow someone's
>> copied DVD or CD and recopy from it. As long as you right to do it.
>>
>> It is the logic why all share or backup sites alive... You cannot stop
>> it. Admit it or not admit it. As long as you use it like that IT IS
>> LEGAL.
>>
>> 2009/5/12 Dan :
>>> At 5:50 PM +0300 5/12/09, Baha Ata wrote:
 You have the right to have the orginal manufactured disc of that computer.
>>> Correct.
>>>
>>> An *original physical disc*.  Not a copy.  Not something you download
>>> from an illegal source.
>>>
 You may barrow or you may ask to your friend put a ftp server just
 for you (not public open area), it is not problem.
>>> Incorrect.
>>>
>>>  From your friend's POV, it is a violation of the license to LEND or
>>> redistribute.
>>>
>>>  From your POV, it is a violation of the license to obtain the
>>> software from any source that is not licensed to redistribute.
>>>
>>> Depending on the country, the violation carries criminal and/or civil
>>> penalties.
>>>
>>> - Dan.
>>> --
>>> - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Baha Ata
>>
> 
> 
> 



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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Baha Ata]

distribute:
to promote, sell, and ship or deliver (an item or line of merchandise)
to individual customers, esp. in a specified region or area.

lend:
to give (money) on condition that it is returned and that interest is
paid for its temporary use.

share:
the full or proper portion or part allotted or belonging to or
contributed or owed by an individual or group.


2009/5/12 Baha Ata :
> please look meanings of LEND or redistribute. It is not same meaning
> giving the install cd to  someone that has the right using that cd...
> It is not meaning giving that cd to someone that has no right using...
> Do u remember that how many copy you may make from orginal DVD when
> first DVD released out in USA.
>
> Please do not confuse LEND OR REDISTRIBUTE with optaining your legal
> copy You may copy your DVD and lost them, you may barrow someone's
> copied DVD or CD and recopy from it. As long as you right to do it.
>
> It is the logic why all share or backup sites alive... You cannot stop
> it. Admit it or not admit it. As long as you use it like that IT IS
> LEGAL.
>
> 2009/5/12 Dan :
>>
>> At 5:50 PM +0300 5/12/09, Baha Ata wrote:
>>>
>>>You have the right to have the orginal manufactured disc of that computer.
>>
>> Correct.
>>
>> An *original physical disc*.  Not a copy.  Not something you download
>> from an illegal source.
>>
>>>You may barrow or you may ask to your friend put a ftp server just
>>>for you (not public open area), it is not problem.
>>
>> Incorrect.
>>
>>  From your friend's POV, it is a violation of the license to LEND or
>> redistribute.
>>
>>  From your POV, it is a violation of the license to obtain the
>> software from any source that is not licensed to redistribute.
>>
>> Depending on the country, the violation carries criminal and/or civil
>> penalties.
>>
>> - Dan.
>> --
>> - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth
>>
>> >>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Baha Ata
>



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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Baha Ata]

please look meanings of LEND or redistribute. It is not same meaning
giving the install cd to  someone that has the right using that cd...
It is not meaning giving that cd to someone that has no right using...
Do u remember that how many copy you may make from orginal DVD when
first DVD released out in USA.

Please do not confuse LEND OR REDISTRIBUTE with optaining your legal
copy You may copy your DVD and lost them, you may barrow someone's
copied DVD or CD and recopy from it. As long as you right to do it.

It is the logic why all share or backup sites alive... You cannot stop
it. Admit it or not admit it. As long as you use it like that IT IS
LEGAL.

2009/5/12 Dan :
>
> At 5:50 PM +0300 5/12/09, Baha Ata wrote:
>>
>>You have the right to have the orginal manufactured disc of that computer.
>
> Correct.
>
> An *original physical disc*.  Not a copy.  Not something you download
> from an illegal source.
>
>>You may barrow or you may ask to your friend put a ftp server just
>>for you (not public open area), it is not problem.
>
> Incorrect.
>
>  From your friend's POV, it is a violation of the license to LEND or
> redistribute.
>
>  From your POV, it is a violation of the license to obtain the
> software from any source that is not licensed to redistribute.
>
> Depending on the country, the violation carries criminal and/or civil
> penalties.
>
> - Dan.
> --
> - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth
>
> >
>



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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Dan]

At 5:50 PM +0300 5/12/09, Baha Ata wrote:
>
>You have the right to have the orginal manufactured disc of that computer.

Correct.

An *original physical disc*.  Not a copy.  Not something you download 
from an illegal source.

>You may barrow or you may ask to your friend put a ftp server just 
>for you (not public open area), it is not problem.

Incorrect.

 From your friend's POV, it is a violation of the license to LEND or 
redistribute.

 From your POV, it is a violation of the license to obtain the 
software from any source that is not licensed to redistribute.

Depending on the country, the violation carries criminal and/or civil 
penalties.

- Dan.
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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Baha Ata]

Totally misleading factor. OEM licenses belong the machines not people
:) So if you got the machine you got the license of it. If it is OEM
licensed machine... All apple's comes with eproms and Systems... No
single Apple produced without system. So... Do u really catch the
point?

Anyway i cut it.. Whatever you may thing out there, but belive me i am
shocked that i have never been in USA and probably know more than
general of you about rules and obligations about your country.

Thanks again. I am hussed.

2009/5/12 joe :
>
>
> On May 11, 2009, at 7:39 PM, Baha Ata wrote:
>
>> Yes above one of my post i state that they may use OEM license... for
>> one install..
>
> And it's already been pointed out to you that the license for the Mac
> OS that comes installed on a new Mac only goes to the original
> purchaser and is not transferable.
>
> Joe
>
>
> >
>



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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Baha Ata]

Thanks anway. I am sorry that i misguide the topic another point.
Thanks everyone.

2009/5/12 joe :
>
>
> On May 11, 2009, at 7:39 PM, Baha Ata wrote:
>
>> Yes above one of my post i state that they may use OEM license... for
>> one install..
>
> And it's already been pointed out to you that the license for the Mac
> OS that comes installed on a new Mac only goes to the original
> purchaser and is not transferable.
>
> Joe
>
>
> >
>



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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Baha Ata]

No... it is %100 legal. You have the right to have the orginal
manufactured disc of that computer. As long as you do not change the
version. You may just call Apple and ask them. They will say what i
said to you. You may barrow or you may ask to your friend put a ftp
server just for you (not public open area), it is not problem. Because
you lost your computer disc. IT IS LEGAL.

Please read rules and laws before belaming legal things in to illegal.
You see every one potentional illegal that use internet?

2009/5/12 joe :
>
>
> On May 12, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Baha Ata wrote:
>
>>
>> please do not add what i have never said...
>>
>
> Please review the thread.  Someone who bought a second hand G4 that
> had Mac OS X installed on it but no disks was looking for a place to
> purchase the disks.  You advised him to download it from rapidshare
> reasoning that owning a Mac entitles you to Mac OS X.
>
> What you advised was actually illegal.
>
> Debating whether or not a jury would convict someone (the people who
> own or run rapidshare, for example) is completely irrelevant.
>
> Joe
>
>
> >
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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[joe]

On May 11, 2009, at 7:39 PM, Baha Ata wrote:

> Yes above one of my post i state that they may use OEM license... for
> one install..

And it's already been pointed out to you that the license for the Mac  
OS that comes installed on a new Mac only goes to the original  
purchaser and is not transferable.

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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[joe]

On May 12, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Baha Ata wrote:

>
> please do not add what i have never said...
>

Please review the thread.  Someone who bought a second hand G4 that  
had Mac OS X installed on it but no disks was looking for a place to  
purchase the disks.  You advised him to download it from rapidshare  
reasoning that owning a Mac entitles you to Mac OS X.

What you advised was actually illegal.

Debating whether or not a jury would convict someone (the people who  
own or run rapidshare, for example) is completely irrelevant.

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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Baha Ata]

You can whatever copy you may use for copy it...

Whatever... It is supreme or whatever court you have there... given
that decision. You may copy for your belongings... whatever they
protected them you may decode it and copy it. As long as it is
personal use there no illegality. Read your laws please

2009/5/12 Dan :
>
> At 11:46 PM +0300 5/11/09, Baha Ata wrote:
>>Uploader putting his disc on backup purposes for futere downloading
>>his backup copy. Do you catch the idea?
>>
>>Thats the logic. They legitimize. For example you bought a Lord of the
>>Rings DVD box set for $40. You have to right to have a CD copy or DVD
>>for backup purposes.
>
> A copy, not a decoded rip.
>
>>You have the cover and orginal CD... You somehow
>>scratch it, you may use your backups. It is legal.
>
> Yes.
>
>>You may download same version of it and use it... It is legal.
>
> IF the downloaded copy comes from a legit source who is licensed to
> re-distribute the data, then yes, that's legal.  But if you're
> talking about downloading it from any other source - that's illegal.
>
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>
> >
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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Baha Ata]

please do not add what i have never said...

as i mentioned... share? what u share? share legal backuop :)

if any file you find there illegal, you warn them they erase... :)

2009/5/12 Dan :
>
> At 11:46 PM +0300 5/11/09, Baha Ata wrote:
>>Uploader putting his disc on backup purposes for futere downloading
>>his backup copy. Do you catch the idea?
>>
>>Thats the logic. They legitimize. For example you bought a Lord of the
>>Rings DVD box set for $40. You have to right to have a CD copy or DVD
>>for backup purposes.
>
> A copy, not a decoded rip.
>
>>You have the cover and orginal CD... You somehow
>>scratch it, you may use your backups. It is legal.
>
> Yes.
>
>>You may download same version of it and use it... It is legal.
>
> IF the downloaded copy comes from a legit source who is licensed to
> re-distribute the data, then yes, that's legal.  But if you're
> talking about downloading it from any other source - that's illegal.
>
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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Dan]

At 11:46 PM +0300 5/11/09, Baha Ata wrote:
>Uploader putting his disc on backup purposes for futere downloading
>his backup copy. Do you catch the idea?
>
>Thats the logic. They legitimize. For example you bought a Lord of the
>Rings DVD box set for $40. You have to right to have a CD copy or DVD
>for backup purposes.

A copy, not a decoded rip.

>You have the cover and orginal CD... You somehow
>scratch it, you may use your backups. It is legal.

Yes.

>You may download same version of it and use it... It is legal.

IF the downloaded copy comes from a legit source who is licensed to 
re-distribute the data, then yes, that's legal.  But if you're 
talking about downloading it from any other source - that's illegal.

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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Dan]

Title: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used
G4



At 6:38 PM -0500 5/11/09, joe wrote:
On May 11, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Baha Ata
wrote:
> Uploader putting his disc on backup
purposes for futere downloading
> his backup copy. Do you catch the idea?

No.

Uploading and storing a copy of software
that you legitimately own as 
a backup copy is NOT what you described to the guy asking
about 
getting this software.  He does not own the software. 
That's exactly 
the problem.
And I don't think you can make the case
that rapidSHARE's motivation 
is to make a backup of legally owned
software.  (If so, why do they 
have "share" as part of their
name?)

Exactly.

Their own site says it's purpose is:

"With one-click
hosting, our users can upload big files in one step and subsequently
make them available to friends and family via the download
link."

IOW, RapidShare's purpose is SHARING.  It is NOT
backup.

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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Baha Ata]

opposite... you must prove their guilt... belive me if you can prove
it... you can close them down, but in reality only users commited
crime... it is like being gun manufacturing or weapon wholeselling...
i admit that i am with you in thinking of weapon wholeselling but...
laws.

2009/5/12 joe :
>
>
> On May 11, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Baha Ata wrote:
>
>> Joe... infact you are right in point of view... but rapidshare and
>> magaupload like sites use that... It is like that you may copy your
>> version on a backup and put somewhere for backup purposes. As long as
>> you do not use illegal way, it is legal. You make some bad statement,
>> you have ability to make illegal means not being illegal, or we are
>> all illegal... I wish my English is enough for clear out. But not
>> rapdishare or any other share services are illegal if you do not use
>> them illegal way. Thats the idea!
>
>
>
> I understand what you're saying.  At best, you're making an argument
> that rapidshare or whatever upload service isn't violating the Apple
> copyright or EULA, but what you described (someone who doesn't
> legally own the software obtaining it from that source) is most
> definitely illegal.   The fact that you can find a legal use of
> rapidshare, however, doesn't prove that they aren't violating laws.
> (It would be like a bank robber pointing to the thousands of times he
> walked into a bank and didn't rob it as a defense.)
>
> The context of your advice was NOT someone who owns the software
> making a backup copy and storing it on rapidshare for their own use
> within the license agreement.
>
> Joe
>
>
> >
>



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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Baha Ata]

As long as you have the machine (For Apple or any OEM Licensed
Computer) you may download and install... You do not commiting
crime... Upload may... :)

2009/5/12 joe :
>
>
> On May 11, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Baha Ata wrote:
>
>> Joe... infact you are right in point of view... but rapidshare and
>> magaupload like sites use that... It is like that you may copy your
>> version on a backup and put somewhere for backup purposes. As long as
>> you do not use illegal way, it is legal. You make some bad statement,
>> you have ability to make illegal means not being illegal, or we are
>> all illegal... I wish my English is enough for clear out. But not
>> rapdishare or any other share services are illegal if you do not use
>> them illegal way. Thats the idea!
>
>
>
> I understand what you're saying.  At best, you're making an argument
> that rapidshare or whatever upload service isn't violating the Apple
> copyright or EULA, but what you described (someone who doesn't
> legally own the software obtaining it from that source) is most
> definitely illegal.   The fact that you can find a legal use of
> rapidshare, however, doesn't prove that they aren't violating laws.
> (It would be like a bank robber pointing to the thousands of times he
> walked into a bank and didn't rob it as a defense.)
>
> The context of your advice was NOT someone who owns the software
> making a backup copy and storing it on rapidshare for their own use
> within the license agreement.
>
> Joe
>
>
> >
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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[joe]

On May 11, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Baha Ata wrote:

> Joe... infact you are right in point of view... but rapidshare and
> magaupload like sites use that... It is like that you may copy your
> version on a backup and put somewhere for backup purposes. As long as
> you do not use illegal way, it is legal. You make some bad statement,
> you have ability to make illegal means not being illegal, or we are
> all illegal... I wish my English is enough for clear out. But not
> rapdishare or any other share services are illegal if you do not use
> them illegal way. Thats the idea!



I understand what you're saying.  At best, you're making an argument  
that rapidshare or whatever upload service isn't violating the Apple  
copyright or EULA, but what you described (someone who doesn't  
legally own the software obtaining it from that source) is most  
definitely illegal.   The fact that you can find a legal use of  
rapidshare, however, doesn't prove that they aren't violating laws.   
(It would be like a bank robber pointing to the thousands of times he  
walked into a bank and didn't rob it as a defense.)

The context of your advice was NOT someone who owns the software  
making a backup copy and storing it on rapidshare for their own use  
within the license agreement.

Joe


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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[joe]

On May 11, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Mac G4 wrote:

> Secondly I asked Mac of All Trades and PowerMax how they are  
> allowed to sell used machines with no discs.  According to them as  
> a Apple Authorized Reseller they are able to do this within certain  
> rights.  Of course they didn't tell me all the legalities other  
> than if i wanted to to call Apple to check.

I suspect they have to say the software is on there for demonstration  
purposes only, and is to be deleted (or reinstalled from a legal  
disk) by the purchaser.

I don't think they can legally advertise these machines as being sold  
"with Mac OS X" if the disks aren't included.


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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Baha Ata]

Yes above one of my post i state that they may use OEM license... for
one install..

2009/5/12 Mac G4 :
> well the question that I asked them was if it is illegal to sell a used Mac
> without the discs.
>
>> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 03:09:23 +0300
>> Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
>> From: baha...@gmail.com
>> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>> Please phone them again and ask that whetever you can use your
>> manufactured OS 10.2 with barrowing someone the discs... I can phone
>> them if you like if you give me the number... via Skype. :)
>>
>> 2009/5/12 Mac G4 :
>> > Hi All,
>> > I am the originator of this thread.  Joe is correct below.  I do not own
>> > the
>> > software, however it is on a used machine I purchased from Mac of All
>> > Trades.
>> >
>> > For the record I do plan on purchasing it sometime in the future -
>> > hopefully
>> > for a 50 - 60 price not the inflated ebay prices.
>> >
>> > Secondly I asked Mac of All Trades and PowerMax how they are allowed to
>> > sell
>> > used machines with no discs.  According to them as a Apple Authorized
>> > Reseller they are able to do this within certain rights.  Of course they
>> > didn't tell me all the legalities other than if i wanted to
>> > to call Apple to
>> > check.
>> >
>> > Third - I appreciate all the responses!
>> >
>> > Jeff
>> >
>> >> From: j...@joethejuggler.com
>> >> Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
>> >> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:38:50 -0500
>> >> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On May 11, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Baha Ata wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Uploader putting his disc on backup purposes for futere downloading
>> >> > his backup copy. Do you catch the idea?
>> >>
>> >> Uploading and storing a copy of software that you legitimately own as
>> >> a backup copy is NOT what you described to the guy asking about
>> >> getting this software. He does not own the software. That's exactly
>> >> the problem.
>> >>
>> >> And I don't think you can make the case that rapidSHARE's motivation
>> >> is to make a backup of legally owned software. (If so, why do they
>> >> have "share" as part of their name?)
>> >>
>> >> Joe
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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RE: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Mac G4]

well the question that I asked them was if it is illegal to sell a used Mac 
without the discs.
 
> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 03:09:23 +0300
> Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
> From: baha...@gmail.com
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> 
> 
> Please phone them again and ask that whetever you can use your
> manufactured OS 10.2 with barrowing someone the discs... I can phone
> them if you like if you give me the number... via Skype. :)
> 
> 2009/5/12 Mac G4 :
> > Hi All,
> > I am the originator of this thread.  Joe is correct below.  I do not own the
> > software, however it is on a used machine I purchased from Mac of All
> > Trades.
> >
> > For the record I do plan on purchasing it sometime in the future - hopefully
> > for a 50 - 60 price not the inflated ebay prices.
> >
> > Secondly I asked Mac of All Trades and PowerMax how they are allowed to sell
> > used machines with no discs.  According to them as a Apple Authorized
> > Reseller they are able to do this within certain rights.  Of course they
> > didn't tell me all the legalities other than if i wanted to to call Apple to
> > check.
> >
> > Third - I appreciate all the responses!
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >> From: j...@joethejuggler.com
> >> Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
> >> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:38:50 -0500
> >> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On May 11, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Baha Ata wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Uploader putting his disc on backup purposes for futere downloading
> >> > his backup copy. Do you catch the idea?
> >>
> >> Uploading and storing a copy of software that you legitimately own as
> >> a backup copy is NOT what you described to the guy asking about
> >> getting this software. He does not own the software. That's exactly
> >> the problem.
> >>
> >> And I don't think you can make the case that rapidSHARE's motivation
> >> is to make a backup of legally owned software. (If so, why do they
> >> have "share" as part of their name?)
> >>
> >> Joe
> >>
> >> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> > 

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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Baha Ata]

Please phone them again and ask that whetever you can use your
manufactured OS 10.2 with barrowing someone the discs... I can phone
them if you like if you give me the number... via Skype.  :)

2009/5/12 Mac G4 :
> Hi All,
> I am the originator of this thread.  Joe is correct below.  I do not own the
> software, however it is on a used machine I purchased from Mac of All
> Trades.
>
> For the record I do plan on purchasing it sometime in the future - hopefully
> for a 50 - 60 price not the inflated ebay prices.
>
> Secondly I asked Mac of All Trades and PowerMax how they are allowed to sell
> used machines with no discs.  According to them as a Apple Authorized
> Reseller they are able to do this within certain rights.  Of course they
> didn't tell me all the legalities other than if i wanted to to call Apple to
> check.
>
> Third - I appreciate all the responses!
>
> Jeff
>
>> From: j...@joethejuggler.com
>> Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
>> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:38:50 -0500
>> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 11, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Baha Ata wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Uploader putting his disc on backup purposes for futere downloading
>> > his backup copy. Do you catch the idea?
>>
>> Uploading and storing a copy of software that you legitimately own as
>> a backup copy is NOT what you described to the guy asking about
>> getting this software. He does not own the software. That's exactly
>> the problem.
>>
>> And I don't think you can make the case that rapidSHARE's motivation
>> is to make a backup of legally owned software. (If so, why do they
>> have "share" as part of their name?)
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> >
>



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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Baha Ata]

And belive me i bet on it powermax is more illegal... i do not think
they use if exist any Apple OEM license for installing Mac OS X 10.4
on that machine :) So clear out this, if someone buy a machine that
installed 10.4 but it is not licensed what he will do? :)
2009/5/12 joe :
>
>
> On May 11, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Dan wrote:
>
>>
>> Slippery slope.  Just because the cop lets that other guy go speeding
>> by is NOT justification for you to speed.
>
> I very specifically said that my observation that Apple is (or was)
> not interested in enforcing their copyright is no justification for
> piracy.  It was the sentence right after the text you quoted me saying.
>
>
> On May 11, 2009, at 3:39 PM, Ralph Green wrote:
>
>>  The funny part to me is that everyone here is saying the same thing,
>> and then saying Baha is all wrong.  Everyone says you can reinstall
>> the
>> same version of OSX that came with your machine and you don't need to
>> buy a new license to do that.  That is all I ever took Baha to be
>> saying.
> No. Baha is saying that it's okay to get that software from
> rapidshare.com, and that it's okay for someone to duplicate and
> upload the OS for distribution that way.
>
> I think the best solution is to ask for disks from the people who
> sold him a G4 with that OS installed on it--powermax.com.  I think
> they either have to provide him with those disks or stop selling
> machines with that OS installed on it.  I'll bet in their
> descriptions of the computer they are selling them with OS whatever.
> If that's the case, they're breaking the license agreement if they
> don't provide a set of disks with each one.
>
>
> Joe
>
> >
>



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RE: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Mac G4]

Hi All,

I am the originator of this thread.  Joe is correct below.  I do not own the 
software, however it is on a used machine I purchased from Mac of All Trades.

 

For the record I do plan on purchasing it sometime in the future - hopefully 
for a 50 - 60 price not the inflated ebay prices.

 

Secondly I asked Mac of All Trades and PowerMax how they are allowed to sell 
used machines with no discs.  According to them as a Apple Authorized Reseller 
they are able to do this within certain rights.  Of course they didn't tell me 
all the legalities other than if i wanted to to call Apple to check.

 

Third - I appreciate all the responses!

 

Jeff
 
> From: j...@joethejuggler.com
> Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:38:50 -0500
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> 
> 
> 
> On May 11, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Baha Ata wrote:
> 
> >
> > Uploader putting his disc on backup purposes for futere downloading
> > his backup copy. Do you catch the idea?
> 
> Uploading and storing a copy of software that you legitimately own as 
> a backup copy is NOT what you described to the guy asking about 
> getting this software. He does not own the software. That's exactly 
> the problem.
> 
> And I don't think you can make the case that rapidSHARE's motivation 
> is to make a backup of legally owned software. (If so, why do they 
> have "share" as part of their name?)
> 
> Joe
> 
> > 

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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Baha Ata]

Joe... infact you are right in point of view... but rapidshare and
magaupload like sites use that... It is like that you may copy your
version on a backup and put somewhere for backup purposes. As long as
you do not use illegal way, it is legal. You make some bad statement,
you have ability to make illegal means not being illegal, or we are
all illegal... I wish my English is enough for clear out. But not
rapdishare or any other share services are illegal if you do not use
them illegal way. Thats the idea!

2009/5/12 joe :
>
>
> On May 11, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Baha Ata wrote:
>
>>
>> Uploader putting his disc on backup purposes for futere downloading
>> his backup copy. Do you catch the idea?
>
> Uploading and storing a copy of software that you legitimately own as
> a backup copy is NOT what you described to the guy asking about
> getting this software.  He does not own the software.  That's exactly
> the problem.
>
> And I don't think you can make the case that rapidSHARE's motivation
> is to make a backup of legally owned software.  (If so, why do they
> have "share" as part of their name?)
>
> Joe
>
> >
>



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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[joe]

On May 11, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Baha Ata wrote:

>
> Uploader putting his disc on backup purposes for futere downloading
> his backup copy. Do you catch the idea?

Uploading and storing a copy of software that you legitimately own as  
a backup copy is NOT what you described to the guy asking about  
getting this software.  He does not own the software.  That's exactly  
the problem.

And I don't think you can make the case that rapidSHARE's motivation  
is to make a backup of legally owned software.  (If so, why do they  
have "share" as part of their name?)

Joe

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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[joe]

On May 11, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Dan wrote:

>
> Slippery slope.  Just because the cop lets that other guy go speeding
> by is NOT justification for you to speed.

I very specifically said that my observation that Apple is (or was)  
not interested in enforcing their copyright is no justification for  
piracy.  It was the sentence right after the text you quoted me saying.


On May 11, 2009, at 3:39 PM, Ralph Green wrote:

>  The funny part to me is that everyone here is saying the same thing,
> and then saying Baha is all wrong.  Everyone says you can reinstall  
> the
> same version of OSX that came with your machine and you don't need to
> buy a new license to do that.  That is all I ever took Baha to be
> saying.
No. Baha is saying that it's okay to get that software from  
rapidshare.com, and that it's okay for someone to duplicate and  
upload the OS for distribution that way.

I think the best solution is to ask for disks from the people who  
sold him a G4 with that OS installed on it--powermax.com.  I think  
they either have to provide him with those disks or stop selling  
machines with that OS installed on it.  I'll bet in their  
descriptions of the computer they are selling them with OS whatever.   
If that's the case, they're breaking the license agreement if they  
don't provide a set of disks with each one.


Joe

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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Mel]

"Add to that the fact the guv'ment will spend $10,000 to bust a $100 crime..."

"Laws are like cobwebs, which may catch small flies, but let wasps and hornets 
break through." Jonathon Swift (1667 to 1745)

Mel

--- On Mon, 5/11/09, James E. Therrault  wrote:

From: James E. Therrault 
Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 3:07 PM


Dan wrote:
> At 2:43 PM -0500 5/11/09, joe wrote:
> 
>>On May 11, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Dan wrote:
>> > Let's be clear here.  Apple's licensing is VERY specific.
>>
>>> <http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/>
>>
>>Some years ago, I bought Jaguar install disks via e-bay.  As it turns 
>>out, they were home-made copies with paper labels on them.  I 
>>complained to the seller first, who said he thought they were 
>>legitimate since he didn't make them himself, but bought 100 sets of 
>>them from someone else.    I complained to e-bay and Apple.  Neither 
>>one responded to any of my e-mails, and the guy was still selling 
>>software on e-bay at least a year later.
> 
> 
> For the most part, Apple doesn't seem to be into the whole 
> RIAA/MPAA-style customer hatred power trip.  eg: They seem to ignore 
> the small guys, who do the gray market stuff such as selling pulled 
> media on venues like eBay and LEM Swap.  But the anti-piracy climate 
> of today is a far cry from yesterday's.  Betcha if they were shown 
> someone like that today, producing 100+ copies of the shipping OS, 
> they'd nail 'em.

Add to that the fact the guv'ment will spend $10,000 to bust a $100 crime...


>>So. .  . Apple doesn't seem at all interested in protecting their 
>>license.  (Oh yeah, this was when Jaguar was still being sold in the 
>>stores, I should have mentioned.)  After all, they let such a 
>>flagrant violator (not even an anonymous pirate, but an e-bay seller) 
>>get away with it.
> 
> 
> Slippery slope.  Just because the cop lets that other guy go speeding 
> by is NOT justification for you to speed.

...and you never know what other "eyes" might be tracking the 
transaction(s).

JT





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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[James E. Therrault]

Dan wrote:
> At 2:43 PM -0500 5/11/09, joe wrote:
> 
>>On May 11, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Dan wrote:
>> > Let's be clear here.  Apple's licensing is VERY specific.
>>
>>> 
>>
>>Some years ago, I bought Jaguar install disks via e-bay.  As it turns 
>>out, they were home-made copies with paper labels on them.  I 
>>complained to the seller first, who said he thought they were 
>>legitimate since he didn't make them himself, but bought 100 sets of 
>>them from someone else.I complained to e-bay and Apple.  Neither 
>>one responded to any of my e-mails, and the guy was still selling 
>>software on e-bay at least a year later.
> 
> 
> For the most part, Apple doesn't seem to be into the whole 
> RIAA/MPAA-style customer hatred power trip.  eg: They seem to ignore 
> the small guys, who do the gray market stuff such as selling pulled 
> media on venues like eBay and LEM Swap.  But the anti-piracy climate 
> of today is a far cry from yesterday's.  Betcha if they were shown 
> someone like that today, producing 100+ copies of the shipping OS, 
> they'd nail 'em.

Add to that the fact the guv'ment will spend $10,000 to bust a $100 crime...


>>So. .  . Apple doesn't seem at all interested in protecting their 
>>license.  (Oh yeah, this was when Jaguar was still being sold in the 
>>stores, I should have mentioned.)  After all, they let such a 
>>flagrant violator (not even an anonymous pirate, but an e-bay seller) 
>>get away with it.
> 
> 
> Slippery slope.  Just because the cop lets that other guy go speeding 
> by is NOT justification for you to speed.

...and you never know what other "eyes" might be tracking the 
transaction(s).

JT



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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Baha Ata]

Million thanks. Sorry about my English or American English, it is not
mother tongue and i have never been lived in any English speaking
country. You clearly make my statement easy understand, but as you may
said some license papers writings closer to my English than yours...
:) It is hard to understand them. :)

2009/5/11 Ralph Green :
>
> Howdy,
>  I don't think Baha is a native English speaker.  Cut him a little
> slack on the grammer.  He is probably much better in English than we are
> in his language.
>  The funny part to me is that everyone here is saying the same thing,
> and then saying Baha is all wrong.  Everyone says you can reinstall the
> same version of OSX that came with your machine and you don't need to
> buy a new license to do that.  That is all I ever took Baha to be
> saying.
> Good day,
> Ralph
>
> On Mon, 2009-05-11 at 15:59 -0400, Dan wrote:
>> At 2:43 PM -0500 5/11/09, joe wrote:
>> >On May 11, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Dan wrote:
>> >  > Let's be clear here.  Apple's licensing is VERY specific.
>> >>  
>> >
>
>
>
> >
>



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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Baha Ata]

Uploader putting his disc on backup purposes for futere downloading
his backup copy. Do you catch the idea?

Thats the logic. They legitimize. For example you bought a Lord of the
Rings DVD box set for $40. You have to right to have a CD copy or DVD
for backup purposes. You have the cover and orginal CD... You somehow
scratch it, you may use your backups. It is legal. You may download
same version of it and use it... It is legal. As soon as you may show
you are the buyer of it. Remember the stickers, cartoons that is said
is legal copy ?

So downloading same version of Mac OS that Apple manufactured with is
legal from whatever source, because that Apple is always comes with
system, without system you cannot buy it. You may use whatever source
for install same system (not higher or lower version, exactly same
manufactured system) and it is %100 legal.

2009/5/11 Dan :
>
> This thread is  bugging me.
>
> Let's be clear here.  Apple's licensing is VERY specific.
> <http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/>
>
> At 12:03 PM -0400 5/11/09, Mac G4 wrote:
>>then how do places like powermax.com and the like sell all these
>>used machines with no discs?
>
> The physical media is just a part, like any other component in the
> system.  There is no legal requirement that anyone ever sell you any
> used product that's 100% complete.  It would be nice if resellers
> included it.  And they could easily - as they're available from
> Apple.  But *shrug*.
>
>>  > Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:58:35 +0300
>>  > Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
>>  > From: baha...@gmail.com
>>  >
>>>  You may barrow and install 10.2 and 9.2.2 without any license issue
>>>  from a friend or a copy CD.
>
> NO.  You may NOT borrow.
>
> The license says:
> 3. Transfer. You may not rent, lease, lend, redistribute or
> sublicense the Apple Software.
>
> Operative words there:  NOT and LEND.
>
>>  > 2009/5/11 Baha Ata :
>>>  > I mean, what the computer had when its produced as system is legal for
>>  > > Apple. Some folks misunderstood it. Other versions need license.
>
> Poor english aside, correct.  Every Mac includes a NON-TRANSFERRABLE
> license for its ORIGINAL software.  When you upgrade the software,
> you are buying a NEW license that IS transferrable.  But still, the
> ORIGINAL license stays with the hardware.
>
>>  > >>> On May 8, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Baha Ata wrote:
>>  > >>>> rapdishare.com :) license look up apple retail stores... you may
>>>  >>>> declare your copy of orjinal system.. what is the production system
>>>  >>>> from Apple too... but rapidshare is ok...
>
> NO.  The uploader violated the license - remember that whole NOT and
> LEND thing?  Add to that NOT and REDISTRIBUTE.  I would also make the
> case that RapidShare should be held liable, since they're making
> money thru ad revenue.
>
> Bruce said, about Baha Ata's text:
>>  > >>> The above is a complete load of codswallop. Do NOT rely on this
>>  > >>> person's advice.
>
> Exactly.
>
>>  > >>> Purchasing a used copy of software is legal, and is the way to get
>>>  >>> older Mac OSes.
>
> AS LONG as it's not the media that came WITH the Mac.  That's the
> copy that's NON-TRANSFERRABLE.  It has to stay with the hardware.
>
> - Dan.
> --
> - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth
>
> >
>



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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Baha Ata]

Dan sorry, but you may ask a lawyer about this... If you have the
computer that is bluemarked as a system as Apple Computers, you may
barrow... you may download because you have the right the copy of
orginal cd as backup for yourself... In this case you would use your
backup. As long as you use same version of installation it is legal
because as i said Apple Computers come with license of Mac Os but only
manufactured Mac Os not other. The share ports use this backup issues
and legitimite their selfs. So what you are doing is legal or illegal
according what you are doing. If you do not use the orginal system,
and barrow a cd or carbon copy it is illegal. But as mentioned other
posts, really Apple is not care too much single user acts. But i
recommend to install orginal Mac Os version that the machine comes
orginally with or Buy new license... For installing orginal Mac OS
version that themachine comes with he/she can use whatever source
avaible as long as source is the same version.

NO.  You may NOT borrow.

The license says:
3. Transfer. You may not rent, lease, lend, redistribute or
sublicense the Apple Software.

Operative words there:  NOT and LEND.

2009/5/11 Dan :
>
> This thread is  bugging me.
>
> Let's be clear here.  Apple's licensing is VERY specific.
> <http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/>
>
> At 12:03 PM -0400 5/11/09, Mac G4 wrote:
>>then how do places like powermax.com and the like sell all these
>>used machines with no discs?
>
> The physical media is just a part, like any other component in the
> system.  There is no legal requirement that anyone ever sell you any
> used product that's 100% complete.  It would be nice if resellers
> included it.  And they could easily - as they're available from
> Apple.  But *shrug*.
>
>>  > Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:58:35 +0300
>>  > Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
>>  > From: baha...@gmail.com
>>  >
>>>  You may barrow and install 10.2 and 9.2.2 without any license issue
>>>  from a friend or a copy CD.
>
> NO.  You may NOT borrow.
>
> The license says:
> 3. Transfer. You may not rent, lease, lend, redistribute or
> sublicense the Apple Software.
>
> Operative words there:  NOT and LEND.
>
>>  > 2009/5/11 Baha Ata :
>>>  > I mean, what the computer had when its produced as system is legal for
>>  > > Apple. Some folks misunderstood it. Other versions need license.
>
> Poor english aside, correct.  Every Mac includes a NON-TRANSFERRABLE
> license for its ORIGINAL software.  When you upgrade the software,
> you are buying a NEW license that IS transferrable.  But still, the
> ORIGINAL license stays with the hardware.
>
>>  > >>> On May 8, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Baha Ata wrote:
>>  > >>>> rapdishare.com :) license look up apple retail stores... you may
>>>  >>>> declare your copy of orjinal system.. what is the production system
>>>  >>>> from Apple too... but rapidshare is ok...
>
> NO.  The uploader violated the license - remember that whole NOT and
> LEND thing?  Add to that NOT and REDISTRIBUTE.  I would also make the
> case that RapidShare should be held liable, since they're making
> money thru ad revenue.
>
> Bruce said, about Baha Ata's text:
>>  > >>> The above is a complete load of codswallop. Do NOT rely on this
>>  > >>> person's advice.
>
> Exactly.
>
>>  > >>> Purchasing a used copy of software is legal, and is the way to get
>>>  >>> older Mac OSes.
>
> AS LONG as it's not the media that came WITH the Mac.  That's the
> copy that's NON-TRANSFERRABLE.  It has to stay with the hardware.
>
> - Dan.
> --
> - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth
>
> >
>



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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Ralph Green]

Howdy,
  I don't think Baha is a native English speaker.  Cut him a little
slack on the grammer.  He is probably much better in English than we are
in his language.
 The funny part to me is that everyone here is saying the same thing,
and then saying Baha is all wrong.  Everyone says you can reinstall the
same version of OSX that came with your machine and you don't need to
buy a new license to do that.  That is all I ever took Baha to be
saying.
Good day,
Ralph

On Mon, 2009-05-11 at 15:59 -0400, Dan wrote:
> At 2:43 PM -0500 5/11/09, joe wrote:
> >On May 11, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Dan wrote:
> >  > Let's be clear here.  Apple's licensing is VERY specific.
> >>  
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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Dan]

At 2:43 PM -0500 5/11/09, joe wrote:
>On May 11, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Dan wrote:
>  > Let's be clear here.  Apple's licensing is VERY specific.
>>  
>
>Some years ago, I bought Jaguar install disks via e-bay.  As it turns 
>out, they were home-made copies with paper labels on them.  I 
>complained to the seller first, who said he thought they were 
>legitimate since he didn't make them himself, but bought 100 sets of 
>them from someone else.I complained to e-bay and Apple.  Neither 
>one responded to any of my e-mails, and the guy was still selling 
>software on e-bay at least a year later.

For the most part, Apple doesn't seem to be into the whole 
RIAA/MPAA-style customer hatred power trip.  eg: They seem to ignore 
the small guys, who do the gray market stuff such as selling pulled 
media on venues like eBay and LEM Swap.  But the anti-piracy climate 
of today is a far cry from yesterday's.  Betcha if they were shown 
someone like that today, producing 100+ copies of the shipping OS, 
they'd nail 'em.

>So. .  . Apple doesn't seem at all interested in protecting their 
>license.  (Oh yeah, this was when Jaguar was still being sold in the 
>stores, I should have mentioned.)  After all, they let such a 
>flagrant violator (not even an anonymous pirate, but an e-bay seller) 
>get away with it.

Slippery slope.  Just because the cop lets that other guy go speeding 
by is NOT justification for you to speed.

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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[joe]

On May 11, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Dan wrote:

>
> This thread is  bugging me.
>
> Let's be clear here.  Apple's licensing is VERY specific.
> 


My comment is a bit of a tangent, but still pertinent, I think.

Some years ago, I bought Jaguar install disks via e-bay.  As it turns  
out, they were home-made copies with paper labels on them.  I  
complained to the seller first, who said he thought they were  
legitimate since he didn't make them himself, but bought 100 sets of  
them from someone else.I complained to e-bay and Apple.  Neither  
one responded to any of my e-mails, and the guy was still selling  
software on e-bay at least a year later.

So. .  . Apple doesn't seem at all interested in protecting their  
license.  (Oh yeah, this was when Jaguar was still being sold in the  
stores, I should have mentioned.)  After all, they let such a  
flagrant violator (not even an anonymous pirate, but an e-bay seller)  
get away with it.

This certainly doesn't justify what Baha Ata has been saying.

Joe




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RE: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Dan]

This thread is  bugging me.

Let's be clear here.  Apple's licensing is VERY specific.
<http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/>

At 12:03 PM -0400 5/11/09, Mac G4 wrote:
>then how do places like powermax.com and the like sell all these 
>used machines with no discs?

The physical media is just a part, like any other component in the 
system.  There is no legal requirement that anyone ever sell you any 
used product that's 100% complete.  It would be nice if resellers 
included it.  And they could easily - as they're available from 
Apple.  But *shrug*.

>  > Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:58:35 +0300
>  > Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
>  > From: baha...@gmail.com
>  >
>>  You may barrow and install 10.2 and 9.2.2 without any license issue
>>  from a friend or a copy CD.

NO.  You may NOT borrow.

The license says:
3. Transfer. You may not rent, lease, lend, redistribute or 
sublicense the Apple Software.

Operative words there:  NOT and LEND.

>  > 2009/5/11 Baha Ata :
>>  > I mean, what the computer had when its produced as system is legal for
>  > > Apple. Some folks misunderstood it. Other versions need license.

Poor english aside, correct.  Every Mac includes a NON-TRANSFERRABLE 
license for its ORIGINAL software.  When you upgrade the software, 
you are buying a NEW license that IS transferrable.  But still, the 
ORIGINAL license stays with the hardware.

>  > >>> On May 8, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Baha Ata wrote:
>  > >>>> rapdishare.com :) license look up apple retail stores... you may
>>  >>>> declare your copy of orjinal system.. what is the production system
>>  >>>> from Apple too... but rapidshare is ok...

NO.  The uploader violated the license - remember that whole NOT and 
LEND thing?  Add to that NOT and REDISTRIBUTE.  I would also make the 
case that RapidShare should be held liable, since they're making 
money thru ad revenue.

Bruce said, about Baha Ata's text:
>  > >>> The above is a complete load of codswallop. Do NOT rely on this
>  > >>> person's advice.

Exactly.

>  > >>> Purchasing a used copy of software is legal, and is the way to get
>>  >>> older Mac OSes.

AS LONG as it's not the media that came WITH the Mac.  That's the 
copy that's NON-TRANSFERRABLE.  It has to stay with the hardware.

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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Baha Ata]

it maybe OEM licensed Apple Software... I am not sure on it because i
have not seen any OEM license for Mac OS since today. But in Windows
world it can be like that. You can install from OEM license and do not
give or "not obligated to give" license or CD as seller.

2009/5/11 Mac G4 :
> then how do places like powermax.com and the like sell all these used
> machines with no discs?
>
>> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:58:35 +0300
>> Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
>> From: baha...@gmail.com
>> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>> this must be useful for your spec.
>>
>>
>> http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/stats/powermac_g4_867_dp_mdd.html
>>
>> Pre-Installed MacOS: 9.2.2, X 10.2
>>
>> You may barrow and install 10.2 and 9.2.2 without any license issue
>> from a friend or a copy CD.
>>
>> Above it, you must have license or orginal CD.
>>
>> 2009/5/11 Baha Ata :
>> > I mean, what the computer had when its produced as system is legal for
>> > Apple. Some folks misunderstood it. Other versions need license. I
>> > think dual 866 machines using orginally 10.3
>> >
>> > 2009/5/11 Baha Ata :
>> >> Sorry but it is not codswallop.
>> >>
>> >> Simple, if you have a Apple computer orginal manufactured system is
>> >> yours. Your apple machine is enough to show it. Orginal manufactured
>> >> system you may have from your friend or avaible download... as
>> >> Microsoft licences... If you have license and lost your cd... You may
>> >> use same kind installation cd or DVD from your friend or other sources
>> >> even you can download it. It is legal. But if you cannot find it or
>> >> wish to upgrade, as you say you will buy it. Have look in Ebay or
>> >> somewhere as you mentioned retail store... Before buy please consider
>> >> your CPU and compatibility... Ram, Mhz, Model...
>> >>
>> >> 2009/5/9 Bruce Johnson :
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On May 8, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Baha Ata wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> rapdishare.com :) license look up apple retail stores... you may
>> >>>> declare your copy of orjinal system.. what is the production system
>> >>>> from Apple too... but rapidshare is ok... if you install your orginal
>> >>>> system.. license is your eprom... so it is not license issue for
>> >>>> mac install mac system on orginal manufactured system is ok
>> >>>> so
>> >>>> you may look any where as site as long as you install orginal
>> >>>> manufactured system :)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> The above is a complete load of codswallop. Do NOT rely on this
>> >>> person's advice.
>> >>>
>> >>> No your license is NOT your eprom, and if you go to the Apple store
>> >>> they will gladly sell you a copy of OS X 10.5, and I'm 99% sure that's
>> >>> ALL they'll sell you.  You won't be able to get a copy of 10.4 from
>> >>> them.
>> >>>
>> >>> As with most computer software the license is either the installer
>> >>> disk or official paperwork that states you are in legal possession of
>> >>> one license to use this software, and outside of a corporate
>> >>> environment, you're not going to see the latter.
>> >>>
>> >>> Purchasing a used copy of software is legal, and is the way to get
>> >>> older Mac OSes.
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Bruce Johnson
>> >>>
>> >>> "Wherever you go, there you are" B. Banzai,  PhD
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Baha Ata
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Baha Ata]

it is not software piracy. As long as you have your backup cd. .That
machine has its 10.2 as orginal manufactured system. You may install
it whatever source you found. It is not needed licence as long as you
use 10.2. Rapidshare or other way of sharing networks is not illegal,
if they illegal all of them are closed down already. How you use them
is legal or illegal! Thats the important difference. You may call
Apple or Microsoft. If you have a OEM licensed computer you may use
same software version for reinstallation from whatever source you can
find.

2009/5/9 J Beaver :
> rapdishare.com :) license look up apple retail stores... you may
> declare your copy of orjinal system.. what is the production system
> from Apple too... but rapidshare is ok... if you install your orginal
> system.. license is your eprom... so it is not license issue for
> mac install mac system on orginal manufactured system is ok so
> you may look any where as site as long as you install orginal
> manufactured system :)
>
> Horrible advice. Either monitor ebay and find restore cd's that shipped with
> your computer or go and buy 10.5. Why would you condone software piracy.
>
> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Stephen Weber  wrote:
>>
>> Bruce, a respocible computer maker will provide the system restore cds
>> if the customer lost them.  At least its a option he can do.
>>
>> On 5/8/09, Bruce Johnson  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On May 8, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Baha Ata wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> rapdishare.com :) license look up apple retail stores... you may
>> >> declare your copy of orjinal system.. what is the production system
>> >> from Apple too... but rapidshare is ok... if you install your orginal
>> >> system.. license is your eprom... so it is not license issue for
>> >> mac install mac system on orginal manufactured system is ok so
>> >> you may look any where as site as long as you install orginal
>> >> manufactured system :)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The above is a complete load of codswallop. Do NOT rely on this
>> > person's advice.
>> >
>> > No your license is NOT your eprom, and if you go to the Apple store
>> > they will gladly sell you a copy of OS X 10.5, and I'm 99% sure that's
>> > ALL they'll sell you.  You won't be able to get a copy of 10.4 from
>> > them.
>> >
>> > As with most computer software the license is either the installer
>> > disk or official paperwork that states you are in legal possession of
>> > one license to use this software, and outside of a corporate
>> > environment, you're not going to see the latter.
>> >
>> > Purchasing a used copy of software is legal, and is the way to get
>> > older Mac OSes.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Bruce Johnson
>> >
>> > "Wherever you go, there you are" B. Banzai,  PhD
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>>
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>
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RE: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Mac G4]

then how do places like powermax.com and the like sell all these used machines 
with no discs?

> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:58:35 +0300
> Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
> From: baha...@gmail.com
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> 
> 
> this must be useful for your spec.
> 
> http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/stats/powermac_g4_867_dp_mdd.html
> 
> Pre-Installed MacOS:  9.2.2, X 10.2
> 
> You may barrow and install 10.2 and 9.2.2 without any license issue
> from a friend or a copy CD.
> 
> Above it, you must have license or orginal CD.
> 
> 2009/5/11 Baha Ata :
> > I mean, what the computer had when its produced as system is legal for
> > Apple. Some folks misunderstood it. Other versions need license. I
> > think dual 866 machines using orginally 10.3
> >
> > 2009/5/11 Baha Ata :
> >> Sorry but it is not codswallop.
> >>
> >> Simple, if you have a Apple computer orginal manufactured system is
> >> yours. Your apple machine is enough to show it. Orginal manufactured
> >> system you may have from your friend or avaible download... as
> >> Microsoft licences... If you have license and lost your cd... You may
> >> use same kind installation cd or DVD from your friend or other sources
> >> even you can download it. It is legal. But if you cannot find it or
> >> wish to upgrade, as you say you will buy it. Have look in Ebay or
> >> somewhere as you mentioned retail store... Before buy please consider
> >> your CPU and compatibility... Ram, Mhz, Model...
> >>
> >> 2009/5/9 Bruce Johnson :
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On May 8, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Baha Ata wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> rapdishare.com :) license look up apple retail stores... you may
> >>>> declare your copy of orjinal system.. what is the production system
> >>>> from Apple too... but rapidshare is ok... if you install your orginal
> >>>> system.. license is your eprom... so it is not license issue for
> >>>> mac install mac system on orginal manufactured system is ok so
> >>>> you may look any where as site as long as you install orginal
> >>>> manufactured system :)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The above is a complete load of codswallop. Do NOT rely on this
> >>> person's advice.
> >>>
> >>> No your license is NOT your eprom, and if you go to the Apple store
> >>> they will gladly sell you a copy of OS X 10.5, and I'm 99% sure that's
> >>> ALL they'll sell you.  You won't be able to get a copy of 10.4 from
> >>> them.
> >>>
> >>> As with most computer software the license is either the installer
> >>> disk or official paperwork that states you are in legal possession of
> >>> one license to use this software, and outside of a corporate
> >>> environment, you're not going to see the latter.
> >>>
> >>> Purchasing a used copy of software is legal, and is the way to get
> >>> older Mac OSes.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Bruce Johnson
> >>>
> >>> "Wherever you go, there you are" B. Banzai,  PhD
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Baha Ata
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Baha Ata
> >
> 
> 
> 
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> Baha Ata
> 
> > 

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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Baha Ata]

this must be useful for your spec.

http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/stats/powermac_g4_867_dp_mdd.html

Pre-Installed MacOS:9.2.2, X 10.2

You may barrow and install 10.2 and 9.2.2 without any license issue
from a friend or a copy CD.

Above it, you must have license or orginal CD.

2009/5/11 Baha Ata :
> I mean, what the computer had when its produced as system is legal for
> Apple. Some folks misunderstood it. Other versions need license. I
> think dual 866 machines using orginally 10.3
>
> 2009/5/11 Baha Ata :
>> Sorry but it is not codswallop.
>>
>> Simple, if you have a Apple computer orginal manufactured system is
>> yours. Your apple machine is enough to show it. Orginal manufactured
>> system you may have from your friend or avaible download... as
>> Microsoft licences... If you have license and lost your cd... You may
>> use same kind installation cd or DVD from your friend or other sources
>> even you can download it. It is legal. But if you cannot find it or
>> wish to upgrade, as you say you will buy it. Have look in Ebay or
>> somewhere as you mentioned retail store... Before buy please consider
>> your CPU and compatibility... Ram, Mhz, Model...
>>
>> 2009/5/9 Bruce Johnson :
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 8, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Baha Ata wrote:
>>>

 rapdishare.com :) license look up apple retail stores... you may
 declare your copy of orjinal system.. what is the production system
 from Apple too... but rapidshare is ok... if you install your orginal
 system.. license is your eprom... so it is not license issue for
 mac install mac system on orginal manufactured system is ok so
 you may look any where as site as long as you install orginal
 manufactured system :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The above is a complete load of codswallop. Do NOT rely on this
>>> person's advice.
>>>
>>> No your license is NOT your eprom, and if you go to the Apple store
>>> they will gladly sell you a copy of OS X 10.5, and I'm 99% sure that's
>>> ALL they'll sell you.  You won't be able to get a copy of 10.4 from
>>> them.
>>>
>>> As with most computer software the license is either the installer
>>> disk or official paperwork that states you are in legal possession of
>>> one license to use this software, and outside of a corporate
>>> environment, you're not going to see the latter.
>>>
>>> Purchasing a used copy of software is legal, and is the way to get
>>> older Mac OSes.
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Baha Ata]

Without license document or orginal cd in that machine... 10.4 is not legal.

2009/5/11 Mac G4 :
> The Mac already has 10.4 on it.  Just that I dont have the disc in the case
> i need it.
>
>> From: ktilfo...@cox.net
>> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
>> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:49:02 -0500
>>
>>
>> On May 10, 2009, at 6:34 PM, Mac G4 wrote:
>>
>> > I will ask the retailers around me - unfortunatly there aren't that
>> > many!
>>
>> In the meantime you could download and install Ubuntu just to get this
>> old Mac going. Ubuntu (or some Linux flavor), will likely be
>> ubiquitous in the near future as hardware prices drop to a point that
>> pricey software is economically unfeasible to sell. Apple may be able
>> to hold a small island of high ground, but the groundswell from below
>> will be a tide that even Microsoft can't weather in the long run.
>> Might as well get familiar with Linux if you plan to be alive 10 or 15
>> years from now.
>>
>> Here's a link for a PPC Live CD (you don't necessarily need to install
>> Ubuntu, it will run "live" from the CD):
>>
>> <http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/jaunty/release/>
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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Baha Ata]

I mean, what the computer had when its produced as system is legal for
Apple. Some folks misunderstood it. Other versions need license. I
think dual 866 machines using orginally 10.3

2009/5/11 Baha Ata :
> Sorry but it is not codswallop.
>
> Simple, if you have a Apple computer orginal manufactured system is
> yours. Your apple machine is enough to show it. Orginal manufactured
> system you may have from your friend or avaible download... as
> Microsoft licences... If you have license and lost your cd... You may
> use same kind installation cd or DVD from your friend or other sources
> even you can download it. It is legal. But if you cannot find it or
> wish to upgrade, as you say you will buy it. Have look in Ebay or
> somewhere as you mentioned retail store... Before buy please consider
> your CPU and compatibility... Ram, Mhz, Model...
>
> 2009/5/9 Bruce Johnson :
>>
>>
>> On May 8, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Baha Ata wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> rapdishare.com :) license look up apple retail stores... you may
>>> declare your copy of orjinal system.. what is the production system
>>> from Apple too... but rapidshare is ok... if you install your orginal
>>> system.. license is your eprom... so it is not license issue for
>>> mac install mac system on orginal manufactured system is ok so
>>> you may look any where as site as long as you install orginal
>>> manufactured system :)
>>
>>
>>
>> The above is a complete load of codswallop. Do NOT rely on this
>> person's advice.
>>
>> No your license is NOT your eprom, and if you go to the Apple store
>> they will gladly sell you a copy of OS X 10.5, and I'm 99% sure that's
>> ALL they'll sell you.  You won't be able to get a copy of 10.4 from
>> them.
>>
>> As with most computer software the license is either the installer
>> disk or official paperwork that states you are in legal possession of
>> one license to use this software, and outside of a corporate
>> environment, you're not going to see the latter.
>>
>> Purchasing a used copy of software is legal, and is the way to get
>> older Mac OSes.
>>
>> --
>> Bruce Johnson
>>
>> "Wherever you go, there you are" B. Banzai,  PhD
>>
>>
>> >>
>>
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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Baha Ata]

Sorry but it is not codswallop.

Simple, if you have a Apple computer orginal manufactured system is
yours. Your apple machine is enough to show it. Orginal manufactured
system you may have from your friend or avaible download... as
Microsoft licences... If you have license and lost your cd... You may
use same kind installation cd or DVD from your friend or other sources
even you can download it. It is legal. But if you cannot find it or
wish to upgrade, as you say you will buy it. Have look in Ebay or
somewhere as you mentioned retail store... Before buy please consider
your CPU and compatibility... Ram, Mhz, Model...

2009/5/9 Bruce Johnson :
>
>
> On May 8, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Baha Ata wrote:
>
>>
>> rapdishare.com :) license look up apple retail stores... you may
>> declare your copy of orjinal system.. what is the production system
>> from Apple too... but rapidshare is ok... if you install your orginal
>> system.. license is your eprom... so it is not license issue for
>> mac install mac system on orginal manufactured system is ok so
>> you may look any where as site as long as you install orginal
>> manufactured system :)
>
>
>
> The above is a complete load of codswallop. Do NOT rely on this
> person's advice.
>
> No your license is NOT your eprom, and if you go to the Apple store
> they will gladly sell you a copy of OS X 10.5, and I'm 99% sure that's
> ALL they'll sell you.  You won't be able to get a copy of 10.4 from
> them.
>
> As with most computer software the license is either the installer
> disk or official paperwork that states you are in legal possession of
> one license to use this software, and outside of a corporate
> environment, you're not going to see the latter.
>
> Purchasing a used copy of software is legal, and is the way to get
> older Mac OSes.
>
> --
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>
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>
>
> >
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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Paul]

As a safety stopgap, you can use Carbon Copy Cloner (free) to copy
your system to a backup drive, internal or external.
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RE: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Mac G4]

Well I plan on making a carbon copy.  However being that it is a used machine I 
was hoping to completley erase it and reinstall 10.4.
 
> From: ktilfo...@cox.net
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> Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:53:38 -0500
> 
> 
> On May 10, 2009, at 7:22 PM, Mac G4 wrote:
> 
> > The Mac already has 10.4 on it. Just that I dont have the disc in 
> > the case i need it.
> 
> For the cost of the disc you could buy a HD and clone your working 
> System. I know it's nice to have the disc, but with Tiger being so 
> stable, it's kinda hard to imagine a scenario where a disc would be 
> preferable to a working backup.
> 
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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[yersinia]

MacG4 and Kris:

<> > The Mac already has 10.4 on it.  Just that I dont have the disc in
 > > the case i need it.

For the cost of the disc you could buy a HD and clone your working
System. I know it's nice to have the disc, but with Tiger being so
stable, it's kinda hard to imagine a scenario where a disc would be
preferable to a working backup.>

Personally, I consider having BOTH an external backup AND a 
boot/installation disc of the operating system(s) one is using to be 
ABSOLUTE NECESSITIES.

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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Kris Tilford]

On May 10, 2009, at 7:22 PM, Mac G4 wrote:

> The Mac already has 10.4 on it.  Just that I dont have the disc in  
> the case i need it.

For the cost of the disc you could buy a HD and clone your working  
System. I know it's nice to have the disc, but with Tiger being so  
stable, it's kinda hard to imagine a scenario where a disc would be  
preferable to a working backup.


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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[tonycd]

My question is, why does he need the disks at all?

If the issue is having a disaster backup, he's better off making a
backup of his whole hard drive. That doesn't require a copy of the OS,
it takes a backup disk drive and a copy of Carbon Copy Cloner
donationware/freeware instead.
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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[dc]

Check the LEM swap list. Leopard upgrade (since you are already
running 10.4) should be around $50.
http://groups.google.com/group/lemswap/browse_thread/thread/30236d1c73ecc532/0f975ae413dfda3c?lnk=gst&q=leopard+10.5#0f975ae413dfda3c


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> The Mac already has 10.4 on it.  Just that I dont have the disc in the case i 
> need it.
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RE: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Mac G4]

Its a 867mhz dual with 2gig ram.

 

I have made a post to the LEM Swap List - no response yet.

 

 

Thanks!
 
> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 17:41:49 -0700
> Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
> From: dbc...@verizon.net
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
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> 
> Check the LEM swap list. Tiger disks go for about $30, 10.5 disks go
> for about $50. If your MDD is 1.0 MHz or better you might want to
> upgrade to Leopard.
> 
> On May 10, 8:22 pm, Mac G4  wrote:
> > The Mac already has 10.4 on it.  Just that I dont have the disc in the case 
> > i need it.
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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[dc]

Check the LEM swap list. Tiger disks go for about $30, 10.5 disks go
for about $50. If your MDD is 1.0 MHz or better you might want to
upgrade to Leopard.

On May 10, 8:22 pm, Mac G4  wrote:
> The Mac already has 10.4 on it.  Just that I dont have the disc in the case i 
> need it.

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RE: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Mac G4]

The Mac already has 10.4 on it.  Just that I dont have the disc in the case i 
need it.
 
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> Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:49:02 -0500
> 
> 
> On May 10, 2009, at 6:34 PM, Mac G4 wrote:
> 
> > I will ask the retailers around me - unfortunatly there aren't that 
> > many!
> 
> In the meantime you could download and install Ubuntu just to get this 
> old Mac going. Ubuntu (or some Linux flavor), will likely be 
> ubiquitous in the near future as hardware prices drop to a point that 
> pricey software is economically unfeasible to sell. Apple may be able 
> to hold a small island of high ground, but the groundswell from below 
> will be a tide that even Microsoft can't weather in the long run. 
> Might as well get familiar with Linux if you plan to be alive 10 or 15 
> years from now.
> 
> Here's a link for a PPC Live CD (you don't necessarily need to install 
> Ubuntu, it will run "live" from the CD):
> 
> <http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/jaunty/release/>

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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Kris Tilford]

On May 10, 2009, at 6:34 PM, Mac G4 wrote:

> I will ask the retailers around me - unfortunatly there aren't that  
> many!

In the meantime you could download and install Ubuntu just to get this  
old Mac going. Ubuntu (or some Linux flavor), will likely be  
ubiquitous in the near future as hardware prices drop to a point that  
pricey software is economically unfeasible to sell. Apple may be able  
to hold a small island of high ground, but the groundswell from below  
will be a tide that even Microsoft can't weather in the long run.  
Might as well get familiar with Linux if you plan to be alive 10 or 15  
years from now.

Here's a link for a PPC Live CD (you don't necessarily need to install  
Ubuntu, it will run "live" from the CD):




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RE: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Mac G4]

Thanks Jo,

I will ask the retailers around me - unfortunatly there insnt that many!
 
> Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 01:17:00 +0200
> Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
> From: jo...@xs4all.nl
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> 
> 
> On 11-05-2009 00:10, Mac G4, g4mac...@hotmail.com, wrote:
> 
> > Jo Hissel,
> > 
> > two questions.
> > 
> > I1) s it safe to assume that OS X 10.4 shipped as one product - meaning 
> > there
> > was not different versions for US/Netherlands/Japan, etc? I assume this is a
> > simple check box for the language one prefers on the install?
> > 
> > 2) Does this dealer have a website that I may purchase from - assuming the
> > above is true? Keep in mind I am in the States.
> > 
> > -Jeff
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> two answers.
> 
> 1) AFAIK, the official retail Tiger Install DVD is useable all over the
> world.
> Tell you something: In febr. this year, a friend from Sacramento visited me.
> He has the first iBook G4 800 MHz. He had Panther installed, bought a Tiger
> DVD here in Amsterdam and did an archieve and install. Worked flawlessly
> here. He is back in the States now and I have not heard any complains.
> Next: I have ae a QS '02 800 MHz with 10.4.11 installed from a retail Tiger
> DVD. I have 4 users installed each with another language: English, Dutch,
> German and French and fast userswitching. No problem.
> 
> 2) Well I don't believe one of my local dealers/resellers will be interested
> in selling and sending, to much hassle for a deal of this price! I believe
> finding a dealer/reseller in the USA will be more efficient. Give it a try
> and with having no success let me know. Wednesday I'm going to Belgium till
> june 7 but after that time I'll can buy one and send to you.
> Just let me know.
> 
> Jo Hissel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 

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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[J.M.P.Hissel]

On 11-05-2009 00:10, Mac G4, g4mac...@hotmail.com, wrote:

> Jo Hissel,
> 
> two questions.
>  
> I1) s it safe to assume that OS X 10.4 shipped as one product - meaning there
> was not different versions for US/Netherlands/Japan, etc?  I assume this is a
> simple check box for the language one prefers on the install?
> 
> 2) Does this dealer have a website that I may purchase from - assuming the
> above is true?  Keep in mind I am in the States.
>  
> -Jeff

Jeff,

two answers.

1) AFAIK, the official retail Tiger Install DVD is useable all over the
world.
Tell you something: In febr. this year, a friend from Sacramento visited me.
He has the first iBook G4 800 MHz. He had Panther installed, bought a Tiger
DVD here in Amsterdam and did an archieve and install. Worked flawlessly
here. He is back in the States now and I have not heard any complains.
Next: I have ae a QS '02 800 MHz with 10.4.11 installed from a retail Tiger
DVD. I have 4 users installed each with another language: English, Dutch,
German and French and fast userswitching. No problem.

2) Well I don't believe one of my local dealers/resellers will be interested
in selling and sending, to much hassle for a deal of this price! I believe
finding a dealer/reseller in the USA will be more efficient. Give it a try
and with having no success let me know. Wednesday I'm going to Belgium till
june 7 but after that time I'll can buy one and send to you.
Just let me know.

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RE: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Mac G4]

Jo Hissel,

two questions.

 

I1) s it safe to assume that OS X 10.4 shipped as one product - meaning there 
was not different versions for US/Netherlands/Japan, etc?  I assume this is a 
simple check box for the language one prefers on the install?

 

2) Does this dealer have a website that I may purchase from - assuming the 
above is true?  Keep in mind I am in the States.

 

-Jeff
 
> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 00:35:55 +0200
> Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
> From: jo...@xs4all.nl
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> 
> 
> On 09-05-2009 04:55, Bruce Johnson, john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu, wrote:
> 
> 
> > The above is a complete load of codswallop. Do NOT rely on this
> > 
> > You won't be able to get a copy of 10.4 from them.
> 
> Well Bruce, that's quite different here in The Netherlands. Two weeks ago I
> just bought a brandnew, sealed in the box, Mac OS X Tiger (includes Xcode 2)
> Install DVD, Version 10.4 2Z691-5305-A from an official Mac-dealer for € 10
> = ± US$ 13. I was the 2nd person in this year who asked him for a Tiger
> Install-DVD and he still has around 25 of these.
> 
> Jo Hissel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 

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RE: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Mac G4]

Thanks Al, I don't currently have a use for OS 9, but should one arise I will 
keep this in mind.

 

jeff
 
> Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 09:08:07 -0700
> Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
> From: alfred.pou...@gmail.com
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> 
> 
> On May 8, 9:37 pm, Mac G4  wrote:
> > Yeah I dont think this comp came with 10.4 orignally, but i figured some 
> > type of restore discs is better than none.
> 
> Going back to the original restore disks, if you could find them,
> would put you back to OS 10.2 which is not where you want to be. And
> OS 10.3 Panther is pretty obsolete these days. On the other hand, any
> used retail set of 10.4 Tiger, or 10.5 Leopard will do fine on any
> model of the MDD, provided it has sufficient RAM, 512 MB at least.
> Retail sets are black in color, not grey. If you want to keep the
> door open for using OS 9.2.2 some day, be sure to check the box in
> Disk Utility for the OS 9 drivers when you reinitialize the drive.
> 
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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[J.M.P.Hissel]

On 10-05-2009 16:31, Len Gerstel, lgers...@gmail.com, wrote:

> On May 10, 2009, at 6:04 AM, Ralph Green wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Howdy,
>> Does anyone have a lead on legitimate US sellers who have something
>> similar?  I'd like to buy another retail Tiger CD or DVD to
>> install.  I
>> would like to setup another G4, so I need the retail disks, I believe.
>> I try to be careful where I buy, because I don't want a pirated copy.
>> With 10.6 in the near future, 10.4 disks could legitimately be getting
>> cheap.
>> Good day,
>> Ralph
> 
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> 
> Len

1) Very good tip of course! Search for a retail Tiger CD or DVD or place a
wtb (= want to buy).
2) You also can try  and do the same.
3) If there are off. Apple/Mac dealers/resellers in your neighbourhood,
visit them and see what they have in their "new, old stock".

HTH and good luck with "finding the tiger",

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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[J.M.P.Hissel]

On 10-05-2009 01:07, Len Gerstel, lgers...@gmail.com, wrote:

> That is a dealer that has "new, old stock" on hand, not Apple itself.
> Many dealers probably have some around they would still like to dump,
> even for 10 Euros or less. This is stock that they either have had
> sitting around, or from a company that upgraded and still had these in
> the storage room and gave them to the dealer.
> 
> If you go to the Apple store and look for Apple software, they only
> list 10.5.6 and 10.5.4 Server. Searching for 10.4 in the Apple store
> turns up no hits.

Completely agreed about what the Apple Store is offering. Apple sold their
complete "new, old stock" to the official dealers/resellers. So the
dealers/resellers are the place where you can buy this. Besides internet oc,
but with dealers/resellers you can be sure to get legal and sealed
materials, you see it, pay for and walk home with the stuff. No hassle with
internet-pre-paying, waiting for sending and hoping it's no bs-stuff.
And I myself never use the Apple Store. During my daily, age-related (65)
obliged, walk (around 6 km = around 4 miles), I can visite 3 off. Apple/Mac
dealers. They have all the Apple Store will offer, but also instantly AND
mostly cheaper AND the nearly complete "new, old stock"!

JMOMM,

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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Len Gerstel]

On May 10, 2009, at 6:04 AM, Ralph Green wrote:

>
> Howdy,
>  Does anyone have a lead on legitimate US sellers who have something
> similar?  I'd like to buy another retail Tiger CD or DVD to  
> install.  I
> would like to setup another G4, so I need the retail disks, I believe.
> I try to be careful where I buy, because I don't want a pirated copy.
> With 10.6 in the near future, 10.4 disks could legitimately be getting
> cheap.
> Good day,
> Ralph

How about a shameless plug for the Low End Mac Swap list?

http://groups.google.com/group/lemswap?hl=en

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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[James E. Therrault]

Ralph Green wrote:
> Howdy,
>   Does anyone have a lead on legitimate US sellers who have something
> similar?  I'd like to buy another retail Tiger CD or DVD to install.  I
> would like to setup another G4, so I need the retail disks, I believe.
> I try to be careful where I buy, because I don't want a pirated copy.
> With 10.6 in the near future, 10.4 disks could legitimately be getting
> cheap.
> Good day,
> Ralph 


There is always a selection of retail disks on eBay.

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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Ralph Green]

Howdy,
  Does anyone have a lead on legitimate US sellers who have something
similar?  I'd like to buy another retail Tiger CD or DVD to install.  I
would like to setup another G4, so I need the retail disks, I believe.
I try to be careful where I buy, because I don't want a pirated copy.
With 10.6 in the near future, 10.4 disks could legitimately be getting
cheap.
Good day,
Ralph  

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> just bought a brandnew, sealed in the box, Mac OS X Tiger (includes Xcode 2)
> Install DVD, Version 10.4 2Z691-5305-A from an official Mac-dealer for € 10
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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Len Gerstel]

On May 9, 2009, at 6:35 PM, J.M.P.Hissel wrote:

>
> On 09-05-2009 04:55, Bruce Johnson, john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu,  
> wrote:
>
>
>> The above is a complete load of codswallop. Do NOT rely on this
>> 
>> You won't be able to get a copy of 10.4 from  them.
>
> Well Bruce, that's quite different here in The Netherlands. Two  
> weeks ago I
> just bought a brandnew, sealed in the box, Mac OS X Tiger (includes  
> Xcode 2)
> Install DVD, Version 10.4 2Z691-5305-A from an official Mac-dealer  
> for € 10
> = ± US$ 13. I was the 2nd person in this year who asked him for a  
> Tiger
> Install-DVD and he still has around 25 of these.
>
> Jo Hissel

That is a dealer that has "new, old stock" on hand, not Apple itself.  
Many dealers probably have some around they would still like to dump,  
even for 10 Euros or less. This is stock that they either have had  
sitting around, or from a company that upgraded and still had these in  
the storage room and gave them to the dealer.

If you go to the Apple store and look for Apple software, they only  
list 10.5.6 and 10.5.4 Server. Searching for 10.4 in the Apple store  
turns up no hits.

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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[J.M.P.Hissel]

On 09-05-2009 04:55, Bruce Johnson, john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu, wrote:


> The above is a complete load of codswallop. Do NOT rely on this
> 
> You won't be able to get a copy of 10.4 from  them.

Well Bruce, that's quite different here in The Netherlands. Two weeks ago I
just bought a brandnew, sealed in the box, Mac OS X Tiger (includes Xcode 2)
Install DVD, Version 10.4 2Z691-5305-A from an official Mac-dealer for € 10
= ± US$ 13. I was the 2nd person in this year who asked him for a Tiger
Install-DVD and he still has around 25 of these.

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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Al Poulin]

On May 8, 9:37 pm, Mac G4  wrote:
> Yeah I dont think this comp came with 10.4 orignally, but i figured some type 
> of restore discs is better than none.

Going back to the original restore disks, if you could find them,
would put you back to OS 10.2 which is not where you want to be.  And
OS 10.3 Panther is pretty obsolete these days.  On the other hand, any
used retail set of 10.4 Tiger, or 10.5 Leopard will do fine on any
model of the MDD, provided it has sufficient RAM, 512 MB at least.
Retail sets are black in color, not grey.  If you want to keep the
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Disk Utility for the OS 9 drivers when you reinitialize the drive.

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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[J Beaver]

rapdishare.com :) license look up apple retail stores... you may
declare your copy of orjinal system.. what is the production system
from Apple too... but rapidshare is ok... if you install your orginal
system.. license is your eprom... so it is not license issue for
mac install mac system on orginal manufactured system is ok so
you may look any where as site as long as you install orginal
manufactured system :)

Horrible advice. Either monitor ebay and find restore cd's that shipped with
your computer or go and buy 10.5. Why would you condone software piracy.

On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Stephen Weber  wrote:

>
> Bruce, a respocible computer maker will provide the system restore cds
> if the customer lost them.  At least its a option he can do.
>
> On 5/8/09, Bruce Johnson  wrote:
> >
> >
> > On May 8, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Baha Ata wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> rapdishare.com :) license look up apple retail stores... you may
> >> declare your copy of orjinal system.. what is the production system
> >> from Apple too... but rapidshare is ok... if you install your orginal
> >> system.. license is your eprom... so it is not license issue for
> >> mac install mac system on orginal manufactured system is ok so
> >> you may look any where as site as long as you install orginal
> >> manufactured system :)
> >
> >
> >
> > The above is a complete load of codswallop. Do NOT rely on this
> > person's advice.
> >
> > No your license is NOT your eprom, and if you go to the Apple store
> > they will gladly sell you a copy of OS X 10.5, and I'm 99% sure that's
> > ALL they'll sell you.  You won't be able to get a copy of 10.4 from
> > them.
> >
> > As with most computer software the license is either the installer
> > disk or official paperwork that states you are in legal possession of
> > one license to use this software, and outside of a corporate
> > environment, you're not going to see the latter.
> >
> > Purchasing a used copy of software is legal, and is the way to get
> > older Mac OSes.
> >
> > --
> > Bruce Johnson
> >
> > "Wherever you go, there you are" B. Banzai,  PhD
> >
> >
> > >
> >
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RE: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Mac G4]

Steven/Bruce

I think my only options here are to see if Apple still has the original restore 
discs - however its probably not 10.4 which is what is on the machine.

Bruce I believe was only commenting on the full retail 10.4 option.

I do have system restore discs for my wife's iMac, which is 10.4, however i 
read those will not work.


Macofalltrades and powermax both state they they will provide the discs where 
available - i assume there must be some loophole in regards to the purchase and 
sale for old used machines.



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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Stephen Weber]

Bruce, a respocible computer maker will provide the system restore cds
if the customer lost them.  At least its a option he can do.

On 5/8/09, Bruce Johnson  wrote:
>
>
> On May 8, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Baha Ata wrote:
>
>>
>> rapdishare.com :) license look up apple retail stores... you may
>> declare your copy of orjinal system.. what is the production system
>> from Apple too... but rapidshare is ok... if you install your orginal
>> system.. license is your eprom... so it is not license issue for
>> mac install mac system on orginal manufactured system is ok so
>> you may look any where as site as long as you install orginal
>> manufactured system :)
>
>
>
> The above is a complete load of codswallop. Do NOT rely on this
> person's advice.
>
> No your license is NOT your eprom, and if you go to the Apple store
> they will gladly sell you a copy of OS X 10.5, and I'm 99% sure that's
> ALL they'll sell you.  You won't be able to get a copy of 10.4 from
> them.
>
> As with most computer software the license is either the installer
> disk or official paperwork that states you are in legal possession of
> one license to use this software, and outside of a corporate
> environment, you're not going to see the latter.
>
> Purchasing a used copy of software is legal, and is the way to get
> older Mac OSes.
>
> --
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>
> "Wherever you go, there you are" B. Banzai,  PhD
>
>
> >
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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Bruce Johnson]

On May 8, 2009, at 6:46 PM, Mac G4 wrote:

>
> sweet thanks - guess I will give them a call monday.
>
> I just picked up the G4 from macofalltrades.com for $150.  I don't  
> know why they (or powermax.com) don't include the discs.



If they're reselling computers with the OS installed they're obligated  
to include the disks; otherwise they're pirating the software, as a  
commercial entity.

This knocks Macofalltrades down a hell of a lot in my estimation.

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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Bruce Johnson]

On May 8, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Baha Ata wrote:

>
> rapdishare.com :) license look up apple retail stores... you may
> declare your copy of orjinal system.. what is the production system
> from Apple too... but rapidshare is ok... if you install your orginal
> system.. license is your eprom... so it is not license issue for
> mac install mac system on orginal manufactured system is ok so
> you may look any where as site as long as you install orginal
> manufactured system :)



The above is a complete load of codswallop. Do NOT rely on this  
person's advice.

No your license is NOT your eprom, and if you go to the Apple store  
they will gladly sell you a copy of OS X 10.5, and I'm 99% sure that's  
ALL they'll sell you.  You won't be able to get a copy of 10.4 from  
them.

As with most computer software the license is either the installer  
disk or official paperwork that states you are in legal possession of  
one license to use this software, and outside of a corporate  
environment, you're not going to see the latter.

Purchasing a used copy of software is legal, and is the way to get  
older Mac OSes.

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RE: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Mac G4]

sweet thanks - guess I will give them a call monday.

I just picked up the G4 from macofalltrades.com for $150.  I don't know why 
they (or powermax.com) don't include the discs.

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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Stephen Weber]

I had someone from work who lost his system restore CD for his HP computer
and HP charged him around $15, so I'm guessing aroud $25.

Stephen

On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Mac G4  wrote:

>  Yeah I dont think this comp came with 10.4 orignally, but i figured some
> type of restore discs is better than none.
>
> Any ideas on what Apple would charge?
>
> --
> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:08:08 -0400
> Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
> From: maryland...@gmail.com
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
>
>
> If you do call Apple they should still have them (the system restore disc
> that is) but they might charge you a fee.
>
> From,
> Stephen
>
> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Mac G4  wrote:
>
> Hello All,
> I am sure this is asked all the time, but since i am new to Mac world I
> figured I would ask again.
>
> I just purchased a used G4 Mirror Drive Door and it has OS X 10.4
> installed, however it doesnt have the OS X discs.  Anyone know where I can
> get them (I have checked and monitor Ebay).
>
> Somebody once told me that Apple still has restore discs if I call
> 1800APPLE - is this true?
>
> Thanks!
>
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RE: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Mac G4]

Yeah I dont think this comp came with 10.4 orignally, but i figured some type 
of restore discs is better than none.

 

Any ideas on what Apple would charge?
 


Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:08:08 -0400
Subject: Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
From: maryland...@gmail.com
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com

If you do call Apple they should still have them (the system restore disc that 
is) but they might charge you a fee.

From,
Stephen


On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Mac G4  wrote:


Hello All,
I am sure this is asked all the time, but since i am new to Mac world I figured 
I would ask again.
 
I just purchased a used G4 Mirror Drive Door and it has OS X 10.4 installed, 
however it doesnt have the OS X discs.  Anyone know where I can get them (I 
have checked and monitor Ebay).
 
Somebody once told me that Apple still has restore discs if I call 1800APPLE - 
is this true?
 
Thanks!



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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Baha Ata]

rapdishare.com :) license look up apple retail stores... you may
declare your copy of orjinal system.. what is the production system
from Apple too... but rapidshare is ok... if you install your orginal
system.. license is your eprom... so it is not license issue for
mac install mac system on orginal manufactured system is ok so
you may look any where as site as long as you install orginal
manufactured system :)

2009/5/9 Mac G4 :
> Hello All,
> I am sure this is asked all the time, but since i am new to Mac world I
> figured I would ask again.
>
> I just purchased a used G4 Mirror Drive Door and it has OS X 10.4 installed,
> however it doesnt have the OS X discs.  Anyone know where I can get them (I
> have checked and monitor Ebay).
>
> Somebody once told me that Apple still has restore discs if I call 1800APPLE
> - is this true?
>
> Thanks!
>
> 
> Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. See how.
> >
>



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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

[Stephen Weber]

If you do call Apple they should still have them (the system restore disc
that is) but they might charge you a fee.

From,
Stephen

On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Mac G4  wrote:

>  Hello All,
> I am sure this is asked all the time, but since i am new to Mac world I
> figured I would ask again.
>
> I just purchased a used G4 Mirror Drive Door and it has OS X 10.4
> installed, however it doesnt have the OS X discs.  Anyone know where I can
> get them (I have checked and monitor Ebay).
>
> Somebody once told me that Apple still has restore discs if I call
> 1800APPLE - is this true?
>
> Thanks!
>
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