Re: [G3-5]Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
On Feb 14, 2010, at 9:53 PM, MaGioZal wrote: On 1/23/10 10:41 AM, Mac User #330250 at macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: My experience is different, since all the Macs I have make a lot of noise. The most silent Power Mac I own is the G5 Late 2005 which has liquid cooling (even though it is the 2.0 GHz single processor (Dual Core) model -- I've read contrary information at everymac.com about the cooling system). Well, my Beige G3 is quite silent, mainly now when it has a 80GB ATA Maxtor HD. The former HD, a 9.1GB Ultra-SCSI IBM, oinked like a mad pig. :-P The iMac DV is quieter :P -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
On Feb 14, 2010, at 10:38 PM, MaGioZal wrote: On 1/24/10 1:55 PM, Dan at dantear...@gmail.com wrote: Not crazy about the iMac G4 design (too many with limp necks). But I really like the rest of the iMac designs over the years. Very cool. sigh. Now if only they were easier to repair. Good industrial design should, IMO, include easy-open / access features. Yea, I know - Jobs is anti-user upgrade. But geeze - 90% of the bench time should NOT be taken up by just opening and closing a machine! Apple is somehow schizo in its CPU designs: or it made them VERY EASY to open and upgrade (Centris 660/PowerMac 6100, LC I/II/III/Performa 475, PowerMac 8600/PowerMac Beige G3, Mac G4 Cube, Blue and White G3 and all other minitower CPUs before the G5) or TERRIBILY DIFFICULT to open and upgrade (the original 128k and all other compact all-in-one Macs based on it, the Quadra 840/PowerMac8100/PowerMac 8500, the PowerMac 4400/7220 series, all iMacs in general, MacMinis). The iMac G3 slot-loaders arent hard to open, not as easy as the PowerMacs, but a lot easier than the tray loaders... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
$ problems seems to be the underlying reason in the majority of statements in this thread. Otherwise I suspect most of us would buy new Macs and not regret the move. well, unexpected tax return this year (loss of income took me down a tax bracket) equals a brand new mac mini on my desk. base model, but boy... nice step up from my QS, which I may try to trade for a G4 mini to use on my workbench in the basement for googling and interweb radio ;) (might even try to find an old EyeTV for it) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: [G3-5]Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs? Date:Montag 15 Februar 2010N From:MaGioZal magio...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com On 1/21/10 6:51 PM, Jonas Ulrich at jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, Apple is dropping support for PPC machines and Tiger in general. But on the other side Tiger is still quite usable. It is my everyday OS here, runnning on a non-upgraded Beige G3. By now, the only major softwares that don' run on Tiger that I miss are the newest version of iTunes and Google Chrome. You can add the newest version of QuickTime. Slowly but truely it will become more Applications that don't work on the PowerPC platform in their newer versions. Mozilla is planning to drop Tiger support with their planned 4.0 release... Hopefully Camino will stay in business for the old stuff that is still useful. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: [G3-5]Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs? Date:Montag 15 Februar 2010N From:MaGioZal magio...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com YouTube videos here are COMPLETELY out of sync, even when they'e completely downloaded. :-/ Doesn't have anything to do with streaming - the processor just cannot calculate that much because, let's face it, Flash is simply not written to work on so slow machines. If they had wanted it, they would have accomplished it. (They meaning Adobe in this context.) Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
On 2/14/10 9:38 PM, MaGioZal wrote: Apple is somehow schizo in its CPU designs: or it made them VERY EASY to open and upgrade (Centris 660/PowerMac 6100, LC I/II/III/Performa 475, PowerMac 8600/PowerMac Beige G3, Mac G4 Cube, Blue and White G3 and all other minitower CPUs before the G5) or TERRIBILY DIFFICULT to open and upgrade (the original 128k and all other compact all-in-one Macs based on it, the Quadra 840/PowerMac8100/PowerMac 8500, the PowerMac 4400/7220 series, all iMacs in general, MacMinis). And possibly the most schizo of all, the 7500 and 8500. Both have the same motherboard, the 7500 is a dream to work on, open it up, flip the card slot cover open and lift up the drive / PS chassis and everything is accessable. As opposed to the 8500 where the case is okay to take off but to change memory you need to unplug all the connections to and remove the logic board. I like to think of it as the good case designers vs the evil case designers. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
On 1/21/10 6:51 PM, Jonas Ulrich at jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, Apple is dropping support for PPC machines and Tiger in general. But on the other side Tiger is still quite usable. It is my everyday OS here, runnning on a non-upgraded Beige G3. By now, the only major softwares that don' run on Tiger that I miss are the newest version of iTunes and Google Chrome. -- MaGioZal, watching Carnaval on TV. http://twitpic.com/photos/magiozal/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
On 1/21/10 7:12 PM, Mac User #330250 at macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: But then... I love the Power Mac/Mac Pro aluminium case. It is beautiful but still functional and an do-it-yourself-hardware-upgraders' dream... And you can left one of the sides visible from the inside...;-) -- MaGioZal. http://facebook.com/magiozal/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
On 1/22/10 7:41 PM, Dan at dantear...@gmail.com wrote: All my Macs, that run System 7, Mac OS 8, Mac OS 9, Panther, and Tiger, are still running. They didn't suddenly gak the other day. The only BIG problem for these older OSes is web surfing. :-/ -- MaGioZal. http://twitter.com/magiozal/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
On 1/22/10 7:41 PM, Dan at dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At home, I think it's pretty stupid to dedicate a $1000+ computer to play streaming radio and drive a scanner. But for YouTube videos, it is very hard to handle them in older computers. :-/ -- MaGioZal. http://twitpic.com/photos/magiozal/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
On 1/23/10 10:41 AM, Mac User #330250 at macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: My experience is different, since all the Macs I have make a lot of noise. The most silent Power Mac I own is the G5 Late 2005 which has liquid cooling (even though it is the 2.0 GHz single processor (Dual Core) model -- I've read contrary information at everymac.com about the cooling system). Well, my Beige G3 is quite silent, mainly now when it has a 80GB ATA Maxtor HD. The former HD, a 9.1GB Ultra-SCSI IBM, oinked like a mad pig. :-P -- MaGioZal. http://flickr.com/magiozal/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
On 1/23/10 11:37 AM, Lawrence David Eden at lde...@comcast.net wrote: I watch videos on the internet...voice and video are a little out of sync. YouTube videos here are COMPLETELY out of sync, even when they'e completely downloaded. :-/ -- MaGioZal. http://formspring.me/magiozal/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
On 1/23/10 2:38 PM, Da'Birdman at sa...@defalcos.com wrote: I find Tiger performs noticeably faster than Panther. Believe me, sometimes I feel Tiger as quick (or as slow...:-P) as Jaguar on my Beige G3. -- MaGioZal. http://magiozal.blogspot.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
On 1/23/10 3:36 PM, Mac User #330250 at macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: GIMP is nice. I prefer GraphicConverter 5.9.5 on the Smurf. I'll check it out. But I'm guessing that GraphicConverter isn't free... ...but is completely usable in its shareware version. Well, you'll get a annoying hang-on startup screen, but this is very little compared with the capabilities of this software. Anyway, GC is the one of the few sharewares I think is worth paying for. And as of 2010, they still support Mac OS 9 and PowerPC. -- MaGioZal. http://magiozal.blogspot.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
I use a Power Mac G4 because I can afford it, it is very attractive and it is very stable. In fact a friend of mine who works with them in a professional capacity at a print shop and she said in their experience in the art room their old G4 Power Macs are more consistently reliable then their Brand new Intel Macs. That seems like good enough reasons for me. On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:13 PM, MaGioZal magio...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/23/10 3:36 PM, Mac User #330250 at macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: One thing is certain though: Intel gave the Macs the performance boost to compete the PCs again. I don't blame Apple for that. It just would have been nice of Apple to extend support for Tiger (Classic) and Leopard (Mac OS X on PowerPC) due to this. Do you remember the Run to the GigaHertz in early 2000s? As far as I can remember Apple had to wait almost 2 years before launching a GigaHertz-processor machine, and this was a great marketing blow for Steve Jobs' company. -- MaGioZal. http://magiozal.blogspot.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
On 1/25/10 7:05 PM, coolr...@comcast.net at coolr...@comcast.net wrote: I know someday I'll have to upgrade to Intel just as I had to upgrade from OS9 a few years ago but for now everything is working. As Bruce quoted the old axiom, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Another thing to consider is that older Macs are quite cheap and you feel more comfortable to open and hack trough it...;-) -- MaGioZal. http://fotolog.com/_magiozal/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
On 1/30/10 1:04 PM, JoeTaxpayer at joetaxpaye...@gmail.com wrote: The G4 is friendly to upgrades. Maxed out the memory to 2GB. For $10 added a USB 2.0 card. Easy to add Hard Drives as I catch them getting cheaper and cheaper. That' what a like in minitower CPUs. Think about the fact that a first-generation iBook will be locked forever on slow USB 1.1... And a 800x600 screen. -- MaGioZal. http://formspring.me/magiozal/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
On 1/30/10 1:31 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio at fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: $ problems seems to be the underlying reason in the majority of statements in this thread. Otherwise I suspect most of us would buy new Macs and not regret the move. My intention is to buy a brand-new Intel MacBook, but let my current day-by-day computer (a Beige G3 with 640MB RAM/80GB HD with Tiger and OS 9/Samsung DVD writer) still funcioning as a backup/internet server machine. -- MaGioZal. http://youtube.com/magiozal/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Why are you (still) using PowerPC-based Macs?
= So, G-Group: Why are you (still) PowerPC-based Mac users? Because I would like to buy a brnd-new Intel Mac, but I still have to get the money to do that. And because with my Tiger-running Beige G3 I can most of the applications made for Mac OS X and Mac OS classic. That's it. -- MaGioZal. http://facebook.com/magiozal/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
