Re: Failed Backup
When you partition a hard drive you lose some of the space to the drivers that the system needs to install. Your back-up partition should be several gigs larger that your system to allow for the drivers and to allow for more files you might add in the future. Try re-partioning yuor 259 GB drive into something like 59/200. On Nov 4, 7:56 pm, Wilton Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I bought a 259GB external disk to use for backing up my internal 80GB HD on my eMac, which is using OS 10.5.5. One of my friends on the email circuit recommended that I divide the disk into two partitions, one the same size as my internal HD ( 80GB ) and the other what was left. They said I should connect the larger one to the Time Machine so it will be constantly up to date. I should backup the smaller one every month or so to bring it up to date. Imagine my surprise today when I switched to the smaller backup partition and got a message that I needed 42.4 GB and I only had 41.5GB, so I couldn't backup. Any suggestions? Thanks Wilton Wilton Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Failed Backup
On Nov 4, 2008, at 5:56 PM, Wilton Shaw wrote: They said I should connect the larger one to the Time Machine so it will be constantly up to date. I should backup the smaller one every month or so to bring it up to date. Imagine my surprise today when I switched to the smaller backup partition and got a message that I needed 42.4 GB and I only had 41.5GB, so I couldn't backup. I'm guessing that whatever program you're using to back up the entire disk to the smaller partition is not erasing the old backup first, and so is trying to cram another backup of your hard drive into the space -- Bruce Johnson No matter where you go, there you are, B. Banzai --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Failed Backup
Hi Wilton; The problem was that you made the smaller partition as large as the 'used' space on the 80G internal HD --- You forgot about things 'growing' over time. IF you had made the partition 80GB to start with, you would have been O.K. Chuck D. On Nov 4, 2008, at 7:56 PM, Wilton Shaw wrote: Hello, I bought a 259GB external disk to use for backing up my internal 80GB HD on my eMac, which is using OS 10.5.5. One of my friends on the email circuit recommended that I divide the disk into two partitions, one the same size as my internal HD ( 80GB ) and the other what was left. They said I should connect the larger one to the Time Machine so it will be constantly up to date. I should backup the smaller one every month or so to bring it up to date. Imagine my surprise today when I switched to the smaller backup partition and got a message that I needed 42.4 GB and I only had 41.5GB, so I couldn't backup. Any suggestions? Thanks Wilton Wilton Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Failed Backup
On Nov 5, 2008, at 10:14 AM, Charles Davis wrote: Hi Wilton; The problem was that you made the smaller partition as large as the 'used' space on the 80G internal HD --- You forgot about things 'growing' over time. IF you had made the partition 80GB to start with, you would have been O.K. Chuck D. On Nov 4, 2008, at 7:56 PM, Wilton Shaw wrote: Hello, I bought a 259GB external disk to use for backing up my internal 80GB HD on my eMac, which is using OS 10.5.5. One of my friends on the email circuit recommended that I divide the disk into two partitions, one the same size as my internal HD ( 80GB ) and the other what was left. They said I should connect the larger one to the Time Machine so it will be constantly up to date. I should backup the smaller one every month or so to bring it up to date. Imagine my surprise today when I switched to the smaller backup partition and got a message that I needed 42.4 GB and I only had 41.5GB, so I couldn't backup. Any suggestions? Thanks Wilton Wilton Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] I made the smaller portion a full 80 GB. The used area is 38.53 GB and the free area is 41.47 GB, which adds up to 80 GB. The message I got said I needed 42.4 so the Time Machine wouldn't work. I think 41.47 GB is plenty of space to make a few upgrades. Wilton Wilton Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Failed Backup
On Nov 5, 2008, at 9:25 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Nov 4, 2008, at 5:56 PM, Wilton Shaw wrote: They said I should connect the larger one to the Time Machine so it will be constantly up to date. I should backup the smaller one every month or so to bring it up to date. Imagine my surprise today when I switched to the smaller backup partition and got a message that I needed 42.4 GB and I only had 41.5GB, so I couldn't backup. I'm guessing that whatever program you're using to back up the entire disk to the smaller partition is not erasing the old backup first, and so is trying to cram another backup of your hard drive into the space -- Bruce Johnson No matter where you go, there you are, B. Banzai What you say sounds reasonable. I simple tried using the Time Machine to backup the smaller partition. I assumed the time machine simply made whatever small changes were necessary rather than replace everything. Wilton Wilton Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Failed Backup
On Nov 5, 2008, at 12:14 PM, Wilton Shaw wrote: I made the smaller portion a full 80 GB. The used area is 38.53 GB and the free area is 41.47 GB, which adds up to 80 GB. The message I got said I needed 42.4 so the Time Machine wouldn't work. I think 41.47 GB is plenty of space to make a few upgrades. Why do you have time machine set on the smaller volume? The scheme is: Large drive: 80G partition: bootable backup partition, regularly clone system drive here, using SuperDuper or CCC. 179G partition: Use for Time machine. Time Machine stores an ongoing incremental backup of your stuff, including things you deleted, so you can always restore to a point in time anywhere between the initial backup and the last backup. This means it will require a larger drive (depending on how much file churn you have on your system) a MUCH larger drive than the volume you're backing up. If the 179G partition is complaining it's out of space, then you need a larger hard drive, or you need to reconsider using Time Machine. If your system is one where you routinely work on a bunch of large projects that you move to your computer and then delete, making room for the next large project, Time Machine is going to require a very large volume, or Time Machine isn't actually a good solution for you. You can exclude folders in Time Machine's prefs, so if you constantly churn large work files on and off your disk that are adequately backed up on other media (such as video raw footage and final DVD's) you can store that material in a folder you exclude from Time Machine. I exclude my Mail folders form TM because I have an IMAP mail service...getting all my mail back is a simple matter of setting up the account. So I don't back it up, which eliminates a huge area of file churn that would rapidly eat away at Time Machine's space. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Failed Backup
On Nov 5, 2008, at 9:23 AM, dc wrote: When you partition a hard drive you lose some of the space to the drivers that the system needs to install. Your back-up partition should be several gigs larger that your system to allow for the drivers and to allow for more files you might add in the future. Try re-partioning yuor 259 GB drive into something like 59/200. On Nov 4, 7:56 pm, Wilton Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I bought a 259GB external disk to use for backing up my internal 80GB HD on my eMac, which is using OS 10.5.5. One of my friends on the email circuit recommended that I divide the disk into two partitions, one the same size as my internal HD ( 80GB ) and the other what was left. They said I should connect the larger one to the Time Machine so it will be constantly up to date. I should backup the smaller one every month or so to bring it up to date. Imagine my surprise today when I switched to the smaller backup partition and got a message that I needed 42.4 GB and I only had 41.5GB, so I couldn't backup. Any suggestions? Thanks Wilton Wilton Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is it possible to re-partition a disk without erasing everything and starting over? Wilton -~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- Wilton Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Failed Backup
On Nov 5, 2008, at 12:36 PM, Wilton Shaw wrote: Is it possible to re-partition a disk without erasing everything and starting over? Wilton It depends on what it is you want to do. If you did partition your existing drive into 80 G and a 179 G volumes, and want to actually accomplish the backup scheme originally discussed (small clone for bootability, large time machine for recovery of deleted files), you can do this: Turn off Time Machine. Rename the volumes to the opposite of what they were. Copy the Time Machine data over to the larger partition Turn ON time machine and see if it uses the newly renamed volume with the backups to back up. If so, you can erase the small volume and use it for your CCC or SuperDuper bootable clone. Note I'm not sure Time Machine will work like this, which is why I'm suggesting copying the data instead of moving it. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Failed Backup
On Nov 5, 2008, at 2:36 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Nov 5, 2008, at 12:14 PM, Wilton Shaw wrote: I made the smaller portion a full 80 GB. The used area is 38.53 GB and the free area is 41.47 GB, which adds up to 80 GB. The message I got said I needed 42.4 so the Time Machine wouldn't work. I think 41.47 GB is plenty of space to make a few upgrades. Why do you have time machine set on the smaller volume? The scheme is: Large drive: 80G partition: bootable backup partition, regularly clone system drive here, using SuperDuper or CCC. 179G partition: Use for Time machine. Time Machine stores an ongoing incremental backup of your stuff, including things you deleted, so you can always restore to a point in time anywhere between the initial backup and the last backup. This means it will require a larger drive (depending on how much file churn you have on your system) a MUCH larger drive than the volume you're backing up. If the 179G partition is complaining it's out of space, then you need a larger hard drive, or you need to reconsider using Time Machine. If your system is one where you routinely work on a bunch of large projects that you move to your computer and then delete, making room for the next large project, Time Machine is going to require a very large volume, or Time Machine isn't actually a good solution for you. You can exclude folders in Time Machine's prefs, so if you constantly churn large work files on and off your disk that are adequately backed up on other media (such as video raw footage and final DVD's) you can store that material in a folder you exclude from Time Machine. I exclude my Mail folders form TM because I have an IMAP mail service...getting all my mail back is a simple matter of setting up the account. So I don't back it up, which eliminates a huge area of file churn that would rapidly eat away at Time Machine's space. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs I want to thank everyone for their helpful suggestions. I was doing the wrong thing. By using Superduper to update the small division and leaving the large division with the Time Machine, I resolved my problem. Wilton Wilton Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
