Re: G5 Shutdown issues
On 2010/11/07 23:35, Kris Tilford so eloquently wrote: I'd try doing a Safe Boot to reset the System cache files, and see if that helps? I ran into this issue again today and the Safe Boot seemed to resolve it, though I don't expect it to be a permanent fix. Thank you for the suggestion Kris. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR Gnome/Ubuntu 10.10 Power Mac June 04 2GHz G5DP 8GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256MB Leopard 10.5.8 PowerBook G4 15 HiRes DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB DDR Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Shutdown issues
On Nov 7, 2010, at 9:52 PM, Clark Martin wrote: On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:49 PM, DLC wrote: Greetings all, I have two G5 towers in our lab (1.8GHz DP-late 2004 models) running 10.5.8. They have both suddenly acquired the habit of not wanting to shut down. When instructed, the Desktop dismounts, the Dock folds down and then they just sit there. A force shutdown is what needs to be done at that moment. All other operations are fine. I've zapped PRAM and NVRAM, booted single-user, and restored disk permissions. I've looked on the Apple support site for related articles with no success; perhaps someone knows of one that addresses this issue? Yes, there is one PCI card in each unit (USB expansion card), but they've been there for a couple years with no issues. Thanks for any thoughts or possible solutions. I would run DiskWarrior on it, some of my iMac G3's like to do this once in a while. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Shutdown issues
On 11/8/10 12:52 AM, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:49 PM, DLC wrote: Greetings all, I have two G5 towers in our lab (1.8GHz DP-late 2004 models) running 10.5.8. They have both suddenly acquired the habit of not wanting to shut down. When instructed, the Desktop dismounts, the Dock folds down and then they just sit there. A force shutdown is what needs to be done at that moment. All other operations are fine. I've zapped PRAM and NVRAM, booted single-user, and restored disk permissions. I've looked on the Apple support site for related articles with no success; perhaps someone knows of one that addresses this issue? Yes, there is one PCI card in each unit (USB expansion card), but they've been there for a couple years with no issues. Thanks for any thoughts or possible solutions. I haven't had any persistent problem like this but occasionally I've had a shutdown / restart command have trouble. I usually login to the shell using ssh from another computer and look at the active processes. I look for application processes first as they should have quit. If I can't quit it from the GUI then I kill it using the shell. Then I start looking for other processes that might be holding things up. If all else fails I use the shell shutdown command. Thank you for the respkinse, Clark. Iirc, the shutdown command is: sudo shutdown -h now Yes? Regards, Dana While the above process is aimed at restarting / shutting down the computer it can also help to determine the cause of hangs like this. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Shutdown issues
From: Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, 8 November, 2010 7:32:38 Subject: Re: G5 Shutdown issues On 2010/11/07 19:49, DLC so eloquently wrote: I have two G5 towers in our lab (1.8GHz DP-late 2004 models) running 10.5.8. They have both suddenly acquired the habit of not wanting to shut down. When instructed, the Desktop dismounts, the Dock folds down and then they just sit there. A force shutdown is what needs to be done at that moment. My PM developed a similar problem when I up, er, sidegraded from Tiger to Leopard. It seemed to get better when I uninstalled USB Overdrive but it still happens from time to time and I have no idea why. But at least you're not the only one. :-) Tina My G5 dual2.0 would occasionally do this:- I ran Onyx, cleared all temp cache files (and I mean ALL) and problem went away... Ted -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Shutdown issues
From: Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, 8 November, 2010 7:32:38 Subject: Re: G5 Shutdown issues On 2010/11/07 19:49, DLC so eloquently wrote: I have two G5 towers in our lab (1.8GHz DP-late 2004 models) running 10.5.8. They have both suddenly acquired the habit of not wanting to shut down. When instructed, the Desktop dismounts, the Dock folds down and then they just sit there. A force shutdown is what needs to be done at that moment. My PM developed a similar problem when I up, er, sidegraded from Tiger to Leopard. It seemed to get better when I uninstalled USB Overdrive but it still happens from time to time and I have no idea why. But at least you're not the only one. :-) Tina My G5 dual2.0 would occasionally do this:- I ran Onyx, cleared all temp cache files (and I mean ALL) and problem went away... Ted -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Shutdown issues
On 11/8/10 1:35 AM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: I'd try doing a Safe Boot to reset the System cache files, and see if that helps? Are the PRAM batteries good? To check the PRAM batteries without disassembly you can turn off Airport or unplug any network connection (assuming you've got your Time Date preference set to automatically set the correct time date from a network connection), and then Shutdown the Mac and unplug that power cable from the wall. Then reboot and if the time date are wrong the PRAM battery is dead and needs replacement. Thank you for the response, Kris. I thought of the batteries after posting; regardless of their present condition, they ARE the OEM units: I will be replacing them regardless - but I'll give your test a try. Thanks again. Dana -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Shutdown issues
On 11/8/10 2:32 AM, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: On 2010/11/07 19:49, DLC so eloquently wrote: I have two G5 towers in our lab (1.8GHz DP-late 2004 models) running 10.5.8. They have both suddenly acquired the habit of not wanting to shut down. When instructed, the Desktop dismounts, the Dock folds down and then they just sit there. A force shutdown is what needs to be done at that moment. My PM developed a similar problem when I up, er, sidegraded from Tiger to Leopard. It seemed to get better when I uninstalled USB Overdrive but it still happens from time to time and I have no idea why. But at least you're not the only one. :-) Tina Good to know! :-) Regards, Dana -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Shutdown issues
I though Onyx only worked on 10.6. Is there an older version? Tina My G5 dual2.0 would occasionally do this:- I ran Onyx, cleared all temp cache files (and I mean ALL) and problem went away... Ted -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Shutdown issues
On Nov 8, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Baldassare Guzzo wrote: I though Onyx only worked on 10.6. Is there an older version? I believe there's an OnyX for each OS X ... see: http://www.titanium.free.fr/index.php which points you to Downloads at: http://www.titanium.free.fr/download.php?sid=5f1cd5a30e76459ed87f499a08cf3fbe -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Shutdown issues
On Nov 8, 2010, at 5:11 AM, Dana Collins wrote: Thank you for the respkinse, Clark. Iirc, the shutdown command is: sudo shutdown -h now Yes? Yes, that's it. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Shutdown issues
On 11/8/10 8:14 AM, Ted Treen ted.tr...@btinternet.com wrote: From: Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, 8 November, 2010 7:32:38 Subject: Re: G5 Shutdown issues On 2010/11/07 19:49, DLC so eloquently wrote: I have two G5 towers in our lab (1.8GHz DP-late 2004 models) running 10.5.8. They have both suddenly acquired the habit of not wanting to shut down. When instructed, the Desktop dismounts, the Dock folds down and then they just sit there. A force shutdown is what needs to be done at that moment. My PM developed a similar problem when I up, er, sidegraded from Tiger to Leopard. It seemed to get better when I uninstalled USB Overdrive but it still happens from time to time and I have no idea why. But at least you're not the only one. :-) Tina My G5 dual2.0 would occasionally do this:- I ran Onyx, cleared all temp cache files (and I mean ALL) and problem went away... Ted I¹ll give it a shot. Thank you for the tip, Ted. Best regards, Dana -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Shutdown issues
On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:49 PM, DLC wrote: Greetings all, I have two G5 towers in our lab (1.8GHz DP-late 2004 models) running 10.5.8. They have both suddenly acquired the habit of not wanting to shut down. When instructed, the Desktop dismounts, the Dock folds down and then they just sit there. A force shutdown is what needs to be done at that moment. All other operations are fine. I've zapped PRAM and NVRAM, booted single-user, and restored disk permissions. I've looked on the Apple support site for related articles with no success; perhaps someone knows of one that addresses this issue? Yes, there is one PCI card in each unit (USB expansion card), but they've been there for a couple years with no issues. Thanks for any thoughts or possible solutions. I haven't had any persistent problem like this but occasionally I've had a shutdown / restart command have trouble. I usually login to the shell using ssh from another computer and look at the active processes. I look for application processes first as they should have quit. If I can't quit it from the GUI then I kill it using the shell. Then I start looking for other processes that might be holding things up. If all else fails I use the shell shutdown command. While the above process is aimed at restarting / shutting down the computer it can also help to determine the cause of hangs like this. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Shutdown issues
I'd try doing a Safe Boot to reset the System cache files, and see if that helps? Are the PRAM batteries good? To check the PRAM batteries without disassembly you can turn off Airport or unplug any network connection (assuming you've got your Time Date preference set to automatically set the correct time date from a network connection), and then Shutdown the Mac and unplug that power cable from the wall. Then reboot and if the time date are wrong the PRAM battery is dead and needs replacement. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Shutdown issues
On 2010/11/07 19:49, DLC so eloquently wrote: I have two G5 towers in our lab (1.8GHz DP-late 2004 models) running 10.5.8. They have both suddenly acquired the habit of not wanting to shut down. When instructed, the Desktop dismounts, the Dock folds down and then they just sit there. A force shutdown is what needs to be done at that moment. My PM developed a similar problem when I up, er, sidegraded from Tiger to Leopard. It seemed to get better when I uninstalled USB Overdrive but it still happens from time to time and I have no idea why. But at least you're not the only one. :-) Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR Gnome/Ubuntu 10.10 Power Mac June 04 2GHz G5DP 8GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256MB Leopard 10.5.8 PowerBook G4 15 HiRes DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB DDR Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
