R: Re: My DA G4 died.

[valter.prahlad]

>They (PC keyboards) work out of the box, but the command and option keys are sw
apped around. 
>
>There are utilities to switch this.

Actually, there's a feature to switch those keys inside OSX System Preferences, 
in the Keyboard pane (ask for more details if needed).

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Re: My DA G4 died.

[Bruce Johnson]

> On Jul 29, 2017, at 5:55 PM, smac0031  wrote:
> 
> Out of curiosity I was looking at microsoft usb keyboards for cheap at office 
> max/depot whatever it is. I would
> think this would work on a mac but it doesn't say on the box. Is this a 
> possibility?

They  work out of the box, but the command and option keys are swapped around. 

There are utilities to switch this.

 Windows mice are much more functional, they work oob with no issues: 
left/right, scroll wheel just work when you plug one in.

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Re: My DA G4 died.

[Frank Dutra]

Agree with Valter with regards to power supply. I'm using an ATX PC
power supply on my G4 mystic,,, higher wattage than the OEM though. I
remember it being a total rewire job tracing back all the wires (24?)
and connecting them to the correct/like voltage of the mac. Had to cut
wires since the output plugs weren't compatible between the Mac and
the ATX. It wasn't the easiest hack I've ever done, but that was 6-7
years ago and still running.

Keyboards are pretty much interchangeable but remember that the boot
process will only see USB hardwired inputs until the OS is mounted,,,
have an old microsoft one that I use when wanting to initiate special
commands during boot, ie single user mode.

On 7/29/17, Cameron Kaiser  wrote:
>> Out of curiosity I was looking at microsoft usb keyboards for cheap at
>> office max/depot whatever it is. I would
>> think this would work on a mac but it doesn't say on the box. Is this a
>> possibility?
>
> It would basically work, though some keys might be missing, and some keys
> on that keyboard might not map.
>
>> Also I was checking specs between the G4 and my old Umax S900 and they
>> both
>> use PCI cards. Would the Sonnet
>> ATA133 work in the S900. It currently has a Sonnet ATA100 and use the
>> bigger drives from the G4 in
>> the S900?
>
> Most Sonnet cards (which specific model?) do work in old beige Macs and are
> bootable in those systems, including with the classic Mac OS.
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Re: My DA G4 died.

[Cameron Kaiser]

> Out of curiosity I was looking at microsoft usb keyboards for cheap at 
> office max/depot whatever it is. I would
> think this would work on a mac but it doesn't say on the box. Is this a 
> possibility?

It would basically work, though some keys might be missing, and some keys
on that keyboard might not map.

> Also I was checking specs between the G4 and my old Umax S900 and they both 
> use PCI cards. Would the Sonnet
> ATA133 work in the S900. It currently has a Sonnet ATA100 and use the 
> bigger drives from the G4 in
> the S900?

Most Sonnet cards (which specific model?) do work in old beige Macs and are
bootable in those systems, including with the classic Mac OS.

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Re: My DA G4 died.

[smac0031]

I was able to put the boot drive from the G4 into an enclosure and copy the 
data onto the boot drive of
my dual G5. I was able to save my files.

The chicklet  keyboard has something wrong with it. The trackball works 
connected through it but sometimes
the keyboard itself is spurious and sometimes dead. I am currently using a 
different keyboard.

Out of curiosity I was looking at microsoft usb keyboards for cheap at 
office max/depot whatever it is. I would
think this would work on a mac but it doesn't say on the box. Is this a 
possibility?

Also I was checking specs between the G4 and my old Umax S900 and they both 
use PCI cards. Would the Sonnet
ATA133 work in the S900. It currently has a Sonnet ATA100 and use the 
bigger drives from the G4 in
the S900?

I know OSX would totally screw up the S900 because I tried booting and OSX 
CD with it once. Big mistake.
Thanks
Mark Murphy

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Re: My DA G4 died.

[Valter Prahlad]

Il giorno 08/07/17 01.19, "smac0031" ha scritto:

> Monday my DA G4 died. I had it on an APC 650 UPS. I woke up and alarm was
> going off and the green light was flashing.
The alarm and the green light are about the UPS, right?
You should investigate those in the UPS documentation.

> I turned off the UPS and turned it back on. At that moment I heard sound
> somewhere between a zap and a pop.
>From those sounds, I'm prone to think it was the power supply going kaputt.

> My DA G4 was nonfunctional.
Of course, without power supply, the Mac looks totally dead. Even if the
rest of it is perfectly fine.

> I don't understand why this happened. The thing should have been
> protected.
> 
> None of the other computer gear I've got, cable modem, router, TiVos or
> anything else on my network was damaged.
Either the UPS did something wrong, or it was just bad luck: when you
switched it on again, the G4's power supply just decided it was its final
straw. Sometimes it's just coincidence.

But I would test that UPS on something cheap, to check if it's defective
(and if it is, and it's under warranty, maybe you could get some money from
APC).

> There is no way of telling what the damage is.
Simplest way would be to insert a working power supply and see if the G4 is
ok. But find one could be hard.

I know there are info on the Net about using an ATX power  supply (for PCs)
on G4s. I don't know how difficult that is.

> I have been having a recurring problem with it. Sometimes when it boots up
> it won't recognize any input from the keyboard.
> [...]
> I finally swapped the keyboard cord
> to another spot on the usb hub and it started working.
This definitely looks like an USB problem. If those devices run through an
USB hub, maybe it's the hub. Or it could be the USB card.

Try a different USB port, a different hub, or a different USB card.

HTH,
Valter


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