Re: Powermac digital audio drive failures - HELP!!!

[Jonas Ulrich]

Thanks for your help everyone! It seems to be running good now... Hope it
stays that way :-).-Jonas

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Clark Martin  wrote:

>
> Jonas Ulrich wrote:
> > Clark - I shut it down then started it back up. Now the hard drive and
> > dvdrw work! Is this whole thing something that I should worry about i
> > mean we have figured out that it isn't the drives and that it is the
> > computer itself... I do run the computer constantly, but it had only
> > been running for like 4 days.
>
> Sometimes when the computer freezes or has other problems the power
> management hardware gets in an "confused" state.  The software can't
> always clear it.  Power down clears it.
>
> I've done it hundreds of times on G3 iMacs.  It doesn't happen often but
> when it does we just got use to yanking the power cord, doing a ten
> count then plugging it back in and starting up again.  With 200+
> computers even in frequent events happen often enough.
>
> --
> Clark Martin
> Redwood City, CA, USA
> Macintosh / Internet Consulting
>
> "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway"
>
> >
>

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Re: Powermac digital audio drive failures - HELP!!!

[Clark Martin]

Jonas Ulrich wrote:
> Clark - I shut it down then started it back up. Now the hard drive and 
> dvdrw work! Is this whole thing something that I should worry about i 
> mean we have figured out that it isn't the drives and that it is the 
> computer itself... I do run the computer constantly, but it had only 
> been running for like 4 days.

Sometimes when the computer freezes or has other problems the power 
management hardware gets in an "confused" state.  The software can't 
always clear it.  Power down clears it.

I've done it hundreds of times on G3 iMacs.  It doesn't happen often but 
when it does we just got use to yanking the power cord, doing a ten 
count then plugging it back in and starting up again.  With 200+ 
computers even in frequent events happen often enough.

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Re: Powermac digital audio drive failures - HELP!!!

[Jonas Ulrich]

Clark - I shut it down then started it back up. Now the hard drive and dvdrw
work! Is this whole thing something that I should worry about i mean we have
figured out that it isn't the drives and that it is the computer itself... I
do run the computer constantly, but it had only been running for like 4
days.-Jonas

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Jonas Ulrich wrote:

> I will try that... I did look in the profiler and nothing on that ata
> showed up.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Clark Martin  wrote:
>
>>
>> Jonas Ulrich wrote:
>> > As i noted in my original post i've done that twice.
>> > -Jonas
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Clark Martin > > > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Jonas Ulrich wrote:
>> >  > For use as my personal server I have a Digital Audio Powermac G4
>> > 533MHZ.
>> >  > 250GB, 80GB, 80GB 60GB HD's. 1.25GB Ram. Weird things are
>> > happening. I
>> >  > was watching a movie and the screensaver started. I started the
>> movie
>> >  > and again and it didn't do it again. Then tonight I was going to
>> > copy a
>> >  > dvd and i went to the program and in the process of scanning the
>> > dvd in
>> >  > the drive it froze up. So I force quit and then it wouldn't open
>> > again.
>> >  > Then i relaunched the finder which also completely froze up. I
>> Did a
>> >  > hard restart and when it started up i opened the program to copy
>> the
>> >  > dvd. It opened but showed no dvd drive. then i realized that the
>> dvd
>> >  > drive and the hard drive that share the same onboard ATA were not
>> > there!
>> >  > I restarted again. Nothing. I have verified that the dvdrw drive
>> > isn't
>> >  > getting power or at least i can't open it. Help would be greatly
>> >  > appreciated. I am actually going to be replacing this computer
>> > with and
>> >  > Xserve soon.
>> >  > -Jonas
>> >
>> > Try doing a shutdown and start up.
>>
>> You say you've restarted, I'm suggesting you shut it down, power off.
>> There is a difference.
>>
>> --
>> Clark Martin
>> Redwood City, CA, USA
>> Macintosh / Internet Consulting
>>
>> "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway"
>>
>> >>
>>
>

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Re: Powermac digital audio drive failures - HELP!!!

[Jonas Ulrich]

I will try that... I did look in the profiler and nothing on that ata showed
up.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Clark Martin  wrote:

>
> Jonas Ulrich wrote:
> > As i noted in my original post i've done that twice.
> > -Jonas
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Clark Martin  > > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Jonas Ulrich wrote:
> >  > For use as my personal server I have a Digital Audio Powermac G4
> > 533MHZ.
> >  > 250GB, 80GB, 80GB 60GB HD's. 1.25GB Ram. Weird things are
> > happening. I
> >  > was watching a movie and the screensaver started. I started the
> movie
> >  > and again and it didn't do it again. Then tonight I was going to
> > copy a
> >  > dvd and i went to the program and in the process of scanning the
> > dvd in
> >  > the drive it froze up. So I force quit and then it wouldn't open
> > again.
> >  > Then i relaunched the finder which also completely froze up. I Did
> a
> >  > hard restart and when it started up i opened the program to copy
> the
> >  > dvd. It opened but showed no dvd drive. then i realized that the
> dvd
> >  > drive and the hard drive that share the same onboard ATA were not
> > there!
> >  > I restarted again. Nothing. I have verified that the dvdrw drive
> > isn't
> >  > getting power or at least i can't open it. Help would be greatly
> >  > appreciated. I am actually going to be replacing this computer
> > with and
> >  > Xserve soon.
> >  > -Jonas
> >
> > Try doing a shutdown and start up.
>
> You say you've restarted, I'm suggesting you shut it down, power off.
> There is a difference.
>
> --
> Clark Martin
> Redwood City, CA, USA
> Macintosh / Internet Consulting
>
> "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway"
>
> >
>

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Re: Powermac digital audio drive failures - HELP!!!

[Clark Martin]

Jonas Ulrich wrote:
> As i noted in my original post i've done that twice.
> -Jonas
> 
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Clark Martin  > wrote:
> 
> 
> Jonas Ulrich wrote:
>  > For use as my personal server I have a Digital Audio Powermac G4
> 533MHZ.
>  > 250GB, 80GB, 80GB 60GB HD's. 1.25GB Ram. Weird things are
> happening. I
>  > was watching a movie and the screensaver started. I started the movie
>  > and again and it didn't do it again. Then tonight I was going to
> copy a
>  > dvd and i went to the program and in the process of scanning the
> dvd in
>  > the drive it froze up. So I force quit and then it wouldn't open
> again.
>  > Then i relaunched the finder which also completely froze up. I Did a
>  > hard restart and when it started up i opened the program to copy the
>  > dvd. It opened but showed no dvd drive. then i realized that the dvd
>  > drive and the hard drive that share the same onboard ATA were not
> there!
>  > I restarted again. Nothing. I have verified that the dvdrw drive
> isn't
>  > getting power or at least i can't open it. Help would be greatly
>  > appreciated. I am actually going to be replacing this computer
> with and
>  > Xserve soon.
>  > -Jonas
> 
> Try doing a shutdown and start up.

You say you've restarted, I'm suggesting you shut it down, power off. 
There is a difference.

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Re: Powermac digital audio drive failures - HELP!!!

[Jonas Ulrich]

As i noted in my original post i've done that twice.-Jonas

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Clark Martin  wrote:

>
> Jonas Ulrich wrote:
> > For use as my personal server I have a Digital Audio Powermac G4 533MHZ.
> > 250GB, 80GB, 80GB 60GB HD's. 1.25GB Ram. Weird things are happening. I
> > was watching a movie and the screensaver started. I started the movie
> > and again and it didn't do it again. Then tonight I was going to copy a
> > dvd and i went to the program and in the process of scanning the dvd in
> > the drive it froze up. So I force quit and then it wouldn't open again.
> > Then i relaunched the finder which also completely froze up. I Did a
> > hard restart and when it started up i opened the program to copy the
> > dvd. It opened but showed no dvd drive. then i realized that the dvd
> > drive and the hard drive that share the same onboard ATA were not there!
> > I restarted again. Nothing. I have verified that the dvdrw drive isn't
> > getting power or at least i can't open it. Help would be greatly
> > appreciated. I am actually going to be replacing this computer with and
> > Xserve soon.
> > -Jonas
>
> Try doing a shutdown and start up.
>
>
> --
> Clark Martin
> Redwood City, CA, USA
> Macintosh / Internet Consulting
>
> "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway"
>
> >
>

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Re: Powermac digital audio drive failures - HELP!!!

[Clark Martin]

Jonas Ulrich wrote:
> For use as my personal server I have a Digital Audio Powermac G4 533MHZ. 
> 250GB, 80GB, 80GB 60GB HD's. 1.25GB Ram. Weird things are happening. I 
> was watching a movie and the screensaver started. I started the movie 
> and again and it didn't do it again. Then tonight I was going to copy a 
> dvd and i went to the program and in the process of scanning the dvd in 
> the drive it froze up. So I force quit and then it wouldn't open again. 
> Then i relaunched the finder which also completely froze up. I Did a 
> hard restart and when it started up i opened the program to copy the 
> dvd. It opened but showed no dvd drive. then i realized that the dvd 
> drive and the hard drive that share the same onboard ATA were not there! 
> I restarted again. Nothing. I have verified that the dvdrw drive isn't 
> getting power or at least i can't open it. Help would be greatly 
> appreciated. I am actually going to be replacing this computer with and 
> Xserve soon.
> -Jonas

Try doing a shutdown and start up.


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Re: Powermac digital audio drive failures - HELP!!!

[Jonas Ulrich]

I do know from experience though that even if it isn't jumpered right the
drive will still open... unless of course it is the dvdrw... I will try that
when i get home.-Jonas

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 5:43 AM, dc  wrote:

>
> If the hard drive has gone bad and the optical drive is the only
> device on the bus then the cable position and/or master/slave/cs
> jumpers on the optical drive may need to be reset in order for the
> drive to be recognized. The same would apply to the hard drive if it
> is the DVD drive that has gone bad, but generally hard drives are more
> likely to fail. I'd try unplugging the hard drive, putting the DVD
> drive on the last cable connector with the jumpers set as Master and
> see what happens.
>
> On Mar 26, 4:23 am, Jonas Ulrich  wrote:
> > For use as my personal server I have a Digital Audio Powermac G4 533MHZ.
> > 250GB, 80GB, 80GB 60GB HD's. 1.25GB Ram. Weird things are happening. I
> was
> > watching a movie and the screensaver started. I started the movie and
> again
> > and it didn't do it again. Then tonight I was going to copy a dvd and i
> went
> > to the program and in the process of scanning the dvd in the drive it
> froze
> > up. So I force quit and then it wouldn't open again. Then i relaunched
> the
> > finder which also completely froze up. I Did a hard restart and when it
> > started up i opened the program to copy the dvd. It opened but showed no
> dvd
> > drive. then i realized that the dvd drive and the hard drive that share
> the
> > same onboard ATA were not there! I restarted again. Nothing. I
> > have verified that the dvdrw drive isn't getting power or at least i
> can't
> > open it. Help would be greatly appreciated. I am actually going to be
> > replacing this computer with and Xserve soon.-Jonas
> >
>

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Re: Powermac digital audio drive failures - HELP!!!

[dc]

If the hard drive has gone bad and the optical drive is the only
device on the bus then the cable position and/or master/slave/cs
jumpers on the optical drive may need to be reset in order for the
drive to be recognized. The same would apply to the hard drive if it
is the DVD drive that has gone bad, but generally hard drives are more
likely to fail. I'd try unplugging the hard drive, putting the DVD
drive on the last cable connector with the jumpers set as Master and
see what happens.

On Mar 26, 4:23 am, Jonas Ulrich  wrote:
> For use as my personal server I have a Digital Audio Powermac G4 533MHZ.
> 250GB, 80GB, 80GB 60GB HD's. 1.25GB Ram. Weird things are happening. I was
> watching a movie and the screensaver started. I started the movie and again
> and it didn't do it again. Then tonight I was going to copy a dvd and i went
> to the program and in the process of scanning the dvd in the drive it froze
> up. So I force quit and then it wouldn't open again. Then i relaunched the
> finder which also completely froze up. I Did a hard restart and when it
> started up i opened the program to copy the dvd. It opened but showed no dvd
> drive. then i realized that the dvd drive and the hard drive that share the
> same onboard ATA were not there! I restarted again. Nothing. I
> have verified that the dvdrw drive isn't getting power or at least i can't
> open it. Help would be greatly appreciated. I am actually going to be
> replacing this computer with and Xserve soon.-Jonas
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