Re: USB 2.0 for a G4 MDD?
On Oct 31, 3:21 pm, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.com wrote: The card I got WAS OHCI but still not 2.0, despite the website saying OHCI. The box it came in said Supports USB 1.1 and USB 2.0 devices at full speed so I don't hold We Love Macs 100% responsible. Yet after a number of calls and emails, their site isn't clear that this card is not really 2.0. The card is made by Macally, Part number UH-241, for what it's worth. I repeat, buyer beware. The best thing to do when buying a USB card is identify a chipset which does what you want it to do and then find a card with that chipset on it. This minimizes (but does not completely eliminate) the possibility of such unfortunate surprises. The trick, then, is to find the proper chipset. Jeff Walther -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: USB 2.0 for a G4 MDD?
On 2010/11/01 10:11, t...@io.com so eloquently wrote: The trick, then, is to find the proper chipset. This applies to firewire enclosures as well, probably a lot of other things too. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR Ubuntu 10.10 Power Mac June 04 2GHz G5DP 8GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256MB Leopard 10.5.8 PowerBook G4 15 HiRes DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB DDR Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: USB 2.0 for a G4 MDD?
OHCI... I knew there was a trick to it. On Oct 31, 12:43 am, Peter Haas peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: On Oct 30, 2010, at 8:11 PM, Cadeon wrote: The big thing lacking here is USB 2. There are a lot of cheap (I mean really cheap) USB 2 PCI cards out there, but I'm worried that it's going to be hit-or-miss for one off the shelf working in my G4, with leopard. Just be sure to get an OHCI-compliant card. Should work on OS 9 also, but not necessarily at 2.0 speed. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: USB 2.0 for a G4 MDD?
On Oct 31, 2010, at 8:57 AM, Cadeon wrote: OHCI... I knew there was a trick to it. All USB 2 cards are OHCI; the Windows XP USB drivers required OHCI, so UHCI cards rather quickly fell by the wayside. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: USB 2.0 for a G4 MDD?
The card I got WAS OHCI but still not 2.0, despite the website saying OHCI. The box it came in said Supports USB 1.1 and USB 2.0 devices at full speed so I don't hold We Love Macs 100% responsible. Yet after a number of calls and emails, their site isn't clear that this card is not really 2.0. The card is made by Macally, Part number UH-241, for what it's worth. I repeat, buyer beware. On Oct 31, 11:57 am, Cadeon cadeon...@gmail.com wrote: OHCI... I knew there was a trick to it. On Oct 31, 12:43 am, Peter Haas peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: On Oct 30, 2010, at 8:11 PM, Cadeon wrote: The big thing lacking here is USB 2. There are a lot of cheap (I mean really cheap) USB 2 PCI cards out there, but I'm worried that it's going to be hit-or-miss for one off the shelf working in my G4, with leopard. Just be sure to get an OHCI-compliant card. Should work on OS 9 also, but not necessarily at 2.0 speed. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: USB 2.0 for a G4 MDD?
On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 13:21 -0700, JoeTaxpayer wrote: The card I got WAS OHCI but still not 2.0, despite the website saying OHCI. The box it came in said Supports USB 1.1 and USB 2.0 devices at full speed so I don't hold We Love Macs 100% responsible. Yet after a number of calls and emails, their site isn't clear that this card is not really 2.0. The card is made by Macally, Part number UH-241, for what it's worth. I repeat, buyer beware. Howdy, They seem quite clear to me. Full speed for USB as always referred to the 12 Mbit/s speed. I guess I would say buyers should always beware, but a little research does not hurt. I remember when USB 2.0 came out and the new speed was called Hi-Speed. I saw quite a few devices for a while that said they were USB 2.0 Full Speed. I knew what it meant and also knew some people would not. Whenever you get a USB 3.0 setup, be sure it is capable of Super Speed if you want to see any speed advantage. Finally, the way they described it is pretty much what they needed to say. There are slight signalling differences between USB 2.0 and USB 1.1 devices. Even though the card only does 12 MBit/s, it is important to know for a few devices that it is a USB 2.0 card, and not a USB 1.1 card. I had something a few years ago where this made a difference, although I don't remember what it was. Good day, Ralph -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: USB 2.0 for a G4 MDD?
On Oct 31, 5:51 pm, Ralph Green sfrea...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Howdy, They seem quite clear to me. Full speed for USB as always referred to the 12 Mbit/s speed. I guess I would say buyers should always beware, but a little research does not hurt. I remember when USB 2.0 came out and the new speed was called Hi-Speed. I saw quite a few devices for a while that said they were USB 2.0 Full Speed. I knew what it meant and also knew some people would not. I really appreciate the explanation. There are times when if one is so ignorant they don't know what they don't know, and, therefore, they don't know to research. I thought 2.0 meant 480Mb/s, and I was wrong it would appear. I've learned some very expensive lessons, this one was only $10 plus shipping. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: USB 2.0 for a G4 MDD?
On Oct 31, 2010, at 6:34 PM, JoeTaxpayer wrote: I really appreciate the explanation. There are times when if one is so ignorant they don't know what they don't know, and, therefore, they don't know to research. I thought 2.0 meant 480Mb/s, and I was wrong it would appear. I've learned some very expensive lessons, this one was only $10 plus shipping. Low Speed ... Full Speed ... High Speed ... I think 2.0 does mean 480 ... I just ordered this one. Already have same one from OWC: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=400025830254 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: USB 2.0 for a G4 MDD?
On Oct 31, 2010, at 5:52 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: Low Speed ... Full Speed ... High Speed ... I think 2.0 does mean 480 ... No one ever gets anywhere near 480 Mbps, you're lucky to get half, if that. In my experience, Firewire 400 beats USB 2.0 hands down, but then, you can't escape USB, surely one of the worst hardware standards on today's computers. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: USB 2.0 for a G4 MDD?
On Oct 31, 7:27 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: No one ever gets anywhere near 480 Mbps, you're lucky to get half, if that. Agreed, but even if 12 runs at 12, 240 is still 20X. So when I went to back up a near full TB drive, well, you can do the math. With a proper USB 2.0 card, the G4 MDD can sync with iPod/iPad in reasonable time. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
USB 2.0 for a G4 MDD?
I just got my first MDD... and wow, I'm amazed how good it is. I was expecting something that could barely run leopard like my G4 800 iBook. So not the case. The big thing lacking here is USB 2. There are a lot of cheap (I mean really cheap) USB 2 PCI cards out there, but I'm worried that it's going to be hit-or-miss for one off the shelf working in my G4, with leopard. It'd be a nice bonus if it worked in OS 9 also... preferably at 2.0 speeds... I'm sure others have been down this path... what do I need to buy? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: USB 2.0 for a G4 MDD?
Try the link belowthis is a Belkin USB PCI F5U220 with 5 ports I've had several of these, works in everything! Yes, in your MDD too:-) you can find them cheaper too http://cgi.ebay.com/BELKIN-Hi-speed-USB-2-0-5-Port-PCI-Card-F5U220-/130443698033?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item1e5f0cdf71#ht_595wt_887 On Oct 30, 2010, at 8:11 PM, Cadeon wrote: I just got my first MDD... and wow, I'm amazed how good it is. I was expecting something that could barely run leopard like my G4 800 iBook. So not the case. The big thing lacking here is USB 2. There are a lot of cheap (I mean really cheap) USB 2 PCI cards out there, but I'm worried that it's going to be hit-or-miss for one off the shelf working in my G4, with leopard. It'd be a nice bonus if it worked in OS 9 also... preferably at 2.0 speeds... I'm sure others have been down this path... what do I need to buy? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: USB 2.0 for a G4 MDD?
On Oct 30, 2010, at 8:11 PM, Cadeon wrote: The big thing lacking here is USB 2. There are a lot of cheap (I mean really cheap) USB 2 PCI cards out there, but I'm worried that it's going to be hit-or-miss for one off the shelf working in my G4, with leopard. Just be sure to get an OHCI-compliant card. Should work on OS 9 also, but not necessarily at 2.0 speed. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: USB 2.0 for a G4 MDD?
The Belkin looks good at $9. Whatever you do, make sure it's 2.0 and not 2.0 compatible. I bought this one from we love macs http://www.welovemacs.com/uh241.html after reading the line Supports USB 1.1 and USB 2.0 devices at full speed They charged for shipping and of course I'd have to pay return shipping, so I tossed the board aside after finding it was really a 1.0 card. That all, just be careful what and where you buy. On Oct 30, 11:11 pm, Cadeon cadeon...@gmail.com wrote: I just got my first MDD... and wow, I'm amazed how good it is. I was expecting something that could barely run leopard like my G4 800 iBook. So not the case. The big thing lacking here is USB 2. There are a lot of cheap (I mean really cheap) USB 2 PCI cards out there, but I'm worried that it's going to be hit-or-miss for one off the shelf working in my G4, with leopard. It'd be a nice bonus if it worked in OS 9 also... preferably at 2.0 speeds... I'm sure others have been down this path... what do I need to buy? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
