Re: Video card advice for MDD and/or Digital Audio
And just one more viewpoint: Why not buy another Radeon 9000 and spend the savings on maxing out the DA’s RAM? I’m not sure if the DA is faster than the MDD in actual practice, though. The processor isn’t that much faster, and the bus speed is slower. I think you’ve got two pretty equal machines there. At the moment, I’m trying to figure out which of these two is faster: a 466 DA or a 2x500 GigE. I took the video card and HD from the DA to the GigE to really find out. It’s similar to your situation--at a lower level--because the GigE has a slower system bus and a faster processor. And you know what? I hardly notice any difference, if at all. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video card advice for MDD and/or Digital Audio
Thanks for all the input! I did some serious testing and benchmarking when I got the dual 1.8 GHz G4 upgrade, and I never got it to run reliably beyond 1.6 GHz. I benchmarked at 1.53 GHz using Geekbench (CPU and memory tess), and it was 27% faster than the dual 1 GHz MDD under Tiger, 19% faster under Leopard. 1.6 GHz is just 4.5% faster than 1.53 GHz, so a 1.25 GHz MDD would probably provide equal performance overall under Leopard, although it would take a 1.42 GHz MDD/FW800 to match Tiger performance. http://lowendmac.com/reviews/09rev/giga-1.8-ghz-dual.html The ideal would be a pair of 1.42 GHz FireWire 800 models with maximum RAM. Based on all the feedback, I'm leaning toward another Radeon 9000 Pro for the MDD and bumping RAM in the DA from 1.25 MB to 1.5 MB. I may also look for used 1.25 GHz and 1.42 GHz models. Craigslist can have some great deals! (I got my 22 Cinema Display with a Quicksilver 867 MHz for $175 through Craigslist, then sold the Quicksilver for $100. I love this display!) Thanks again! Dan On Oct 7, 8:27 am, Geke gevangaste...@googlemail.com wrote: And just one more viewpoint: Why not buy another Radeon 9000 and spend the savings on maxing out the DA’s RAM? I’m not sure if the DA is faster than the MDD in actual practice, though. The processor isn’t that much faster, and the bus speed is slower. I think you’ve got two pretty equal machines there. At the moment, I’m trying to figure out which of these two is faster: a 466 DA or a 2x500 GigE. I took the video card and HD from the DA to the GigE to really find out. It’s similar to your situation--at a lower level--because the GigE has a slower system bus and a faster processor. And you know what? I hardly notice any difference, if at all. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Video card advice for MDD and/or Digital Audio
Friends, I have two production machines here at Low End Mac headquarters - a dual 1 GHz Mirror Drive Door with 2 GB of RAM and a Rage 128 Pro video card running Tiger and a Digital Audio upgraded with 1.25 GB of RAM, a dual 1.6 GHz CPU, and Radeon 9000 Pro graphics (swapped from the MDD) running Leopard. The Tiger machine is used primarily for Classic Mode (so I can use Claris Home Page), as well as Camino, TextWrangler, TextSoap, and sometimes Photoshop Elements 3, Firefox, and Safari. The Leopard machine is almost always running Camino, Firefox, Mail, NetNewsWire, TextSoap, TextWrangler, KompoZer, Photoshop Elements, and sometimes Safari, Bean, and rarely Microsoft Word. My thinking: Although the MDD has more RAM, the faster CPU and better video card make the Digital Audio the better choice for Leopard. I don't do anything that really taxes the graphics (no gaming), but I recently picked up a 22 Apple Cinema Display for a song. It's an ADC monitor, so I'm limited to Apple AGP video cards with ADC support. I'm looking for suggestions for a better video card that's also very affordable. This would also let me swap the Radeon 9000 back to the MDD. Thanks in advance! Dan Knight, LowEndMac.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video card advice for MDD and/or Digital Audio
I was looking for a video card for my Quicksilver and so from my findings on eBay the best card that you can get that has ADC support is the ATI Radeon 7500. I found one on eBay for $30 although the LEM swap list might have better deals. On Oct 6, 10:14 am, Dan Knight, LowEndMac.com lowend...@gmail.com wrote: Friends, I have two production machines here at Low End Mac headquarters - a dual 1 GHz Mirror Drive Door with 2 GB of RAM and a Rage 128 Pro video card running Tiger and a Digital Audio upgraded with 1.25 GB of RAM, a dual 1.6 GHz CPU, and Radeon 9000 Pro graphics (swapped from the MDD) running Leopard. The Tiger machine is used primarily for Classic Mode (so I can use Claris Home Page), as well as Camino, TextWrangler, TextSoap, and sometimes Photoshop Elements 3, Firefox, and Safari. The Leopard machine is almost always running Camino, Firefox, Mail, NetNewsWire, TextSoap, TextWrangler, KompoZer, Photoshop Elements, and sometimes Safari, Bean, and rarely Microsoft Word. My thinking: Although the MDD has more RAM, the faster CPU and better video card make the Digital Audio the better choice for Leopard. I don't do anything that really taxes the graphics (no gaming), but I recently picked up a 22 Apple Cinema Display for a song. It's an ADC monitor, so I'm limited to Apple AGP video cards with ADC support. I'm looking for suggestions for a better video card that's also very affordable. This would also let me swap the Radeon 9000 back to the MDD. Thanks in advance! Dan Knight, LowEndMac.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video card advice for MDD and/or Digital Audio
On Oct 6, 2010, at 12:14 PM, Dan Knight, LowEndMac.com wrote: Friends, I have two production machines here at Low End Mac headquarters - a dual 1 GHz Mirror Drive Door with 2 GB of RAM and a Rage 128 Pro video card running Tiger and a Digital Audio upgraded with 1.25 GB of RAM, a dual 1.6 GHz CPU, and Radeon 9000 Pro graphics (swapped from the MDD) running Leopard. My thinking: Although the MDD has more RAM, the faster CPU and better video card make the Digital Audio the better choice for Leopard. I don't do anything that really taxes the graphics (no gaming), but I recently picked up a 22 Apple Cinema Display for a song. It's an ADC monitor, so I'm limited to Apple AGP video cards with ADC support. I'm looking for suggestions for a better video card that's also very affordable. This would also let me swap the Radeon 9000 back to the MDD. I have been running 9600's in my DAs. One with 64mb and 1 with 128mb of ram. Not as affordable as the 7500, but significantly faster. And if you have a lot of windows open or icons on the desktop, the speed is noticeable. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video card advice for MDD and/or Digital Audio
Are the Geforce 2 MX cards any good? On Oct 6, 2:17 pm, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 6, 2010, at 12:14 PM, Dan Knight, LowEndMac.com wrote: Friends, I have two production machines here at Low End Mac headquarters - a dual 1 GHz Mirror Drive Door with 2 GB of RAM and a Rage 128 Pro video card running Tiger and a Digital Audio upgraded with 1.25 GB of RAM, a dual 1.6 GHz CPU, and Radeon 9000 Pro graphics (swapped from the MDD) running Leopard. My thinking: Although the MDD has more RAM, the faster CPU and better video card make the Digital Audio the better choice for Leopard. I don't do anything that really taxes the graphics (no gaming), but I recently picked up a 22 Apple Cinema Display for a song. It's an ADC monitor, so I'm limited to Apple AGP video cards with ADC support. I'm looking for suggestions for a better video card that's also very affordable. This would also let me swap the Radeon 9000 back to the MDD. I have been running 9600's in my DAs. One with 64mb and 1 with 128mb of ram. Not as affordable as the 7500, but significantly faster. And if you have a lot of windows open or icons on the desktop, the speed is noticeable. Len- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video card advice for MDD and/or Digital Audio
Dan, I have seen very reasonably priced ATI Radeon 9800s on eBay --the only caveat being that they are flashed and you would need an ADC to DVI adapter. Equally flashed Nvidia 6200s used to be readily available for a song, but apparently supplies have run low. There are several 8x cards made for AGP G5s with ADC support that may be used taping a couple of connectors, so that's another avenue to consider. For Leopard, though, another Radeon 9000 can give you very decent performance without Core Image eye candy, and it should be able to drive the 22 ACD. They are cheaper and easier to find, and support ADC. Just my two cents. Good luck, Felix -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
