Re: teach yourself illustrator CS3

2013-03-28 Thread peter
I hate to use the G word here, but Google sketchup's Layout product is prety 
good for 2D CAD on a budget as well.

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Re: teach yourself illustrator CS3

2013-03-28 Thread Bruce Ryan
 I hate to use the G word here, but Google sketchup's Layout product is 
 prety good for 2D CAD on a budget as well.
Thanks! Looks very cool to this non-draftsman - I've forwarded the link to my 
dad.

cheers

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Re: teach yourself illustrator CS3

2013-03-28 Thread JohnV
Sketchup is indeed used in many many MANY real-world-work situations  
for cross-platform design work,



On Mar 28, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Bruce Ryan wrote:

I hate to use the G word here, but Google sketchup's Layout  
product is prety good for 2D CAD on a budget as well.
Thanks! Looks very cool to this non-draftsman - I've forwarded the  
link to my dad.


cheers

Bruce

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Re: teach yourself illustrator CS3

2013-03-27 Thread ROBERT H . BAUCOM
You Didn't mention what OS he is using… tsk, tsk.
Since it's a G3 I would recommend Super Paint … I used it for  years until My 
G3  Quicksilver and OS10.4.8.  Really miss it at times.
I could use it for nearly anything.

ver. 3.0 http://tidbits.com/article/3174  
ver. 3.5 http://www.savetz.com/ku/ku/baggott_superpaint_3.5_february_1994.html  
  

RHB

On Mar 25, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Bruce Ryan bruce.r...@me.com wrote:

 Hi folks
 
 I've just set my dad up with a base-model mac mini after years of supporting 
 his ancient XP box. He's used to Autosketch for technical drawing, but this 
 doesn't work on the mac - even the wonderful Crossover turns up its nose. So 
 I've given him my copy of Creative Suite 3 so he can use Illustrator. 
 
 I've tried to teach him some things and written a few exercises, but I'm not 
 a good teacher, and most of the time I'm 350 miles from my parents.
 
 So can anyone recommend a good guide/teach yourself Illustrator book? I don't 
 think it will matter if it's from as far back as V5 (I recall the manual for 
 V5 having a good teaching session, and I don't see that any of the 
 fundamental functions have changed since then.)
 
 thanks indeed
 
 Bruce
 
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Re: teach yourself illustrator CS3

2013-03-27 Thread Bruce Ryan
Thanks Robert - the only G3 in our family is my ever-loving Pismo web server.

The machine my dad is using is a brand-new mac mini (base model) running the 
latest version of Mountain Lion

cheers

Bruce

On 27 Mar 2013, at 15:55, ROBERT H. BAUCOM rbt...@owc.net wrote:

 You Didn't mention what OS he is using… tsk, tsk.
 Since it's a G3 I would recommend Super Paint … I used it for  years until My 
 G3  Quicksilver and OS10.4.8.  Really miss it at times.
 I could use it for nearly anything.
 
 ver. 3.0 http://tidbits.com/article/3174  
 ver. 3.5 
 http://www.savetz.com/ku/ku/baggott_superpaint_3.5_february_1994.html
 
 RHB
 
 On Mar 25, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Bruce Ryan bruce.r...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi folks
 
 I've just set my dad up with a base-model mac mini after years of supporting 
 his ancient XP box. He's used to Autosketch for technical drawing, but this 
 doesn't work on the mac - even the wonderful Crossover turns up its nose. So 
 I've given him my copy of Creative Suite 3 so he can use Illustrator. 
 
 I've tried to teach him some things and written a few exercises, but I'm not 
 a good teacher, and most of the time I'm 350 miles from my parents.
 
 So can anyone recommend a good guide/teach yourself Illustrator book? I 
 don't think it will matter if it's from as far back as V5 (I recall the 
 manual for V5 having a good teaching session, and I don't see that any of 
 the fundamental functions have changed since then.)
 
 thanks indeed
 
 Bruce
 
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Re: teach yourself illustrator CS3

2013-03-27 Thread Brian Fuelleman
The major issues with programs like Superpaint is that it creates raster images 
rather than vector art, and the files tend to be much larger for anything close 
to full size, even at the lowest resolution considered high res (300DPI).  
You also have extreme limitations on trying to manipulate or change elements in 
the artwork, re-scaling, etc., at a later date.



 From: ROBERT H. BAUCOM rbt...@owc.net
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Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: teach yourself illustrator CS3
 

You Didn't mention what OS he is using… tsk, tsk.
Since it's a G3 I would recommend Super Paint … I used it for  years until My 
G3  Quicksilver and OS10.4.8.  Really miss it at times.
I could use it for nearly anything.

ver. 3.0 http://tidbits.com/article/3174  
ver. 3.5 http://www.savetz.com/ku/ku/baggott_superpaint_3.5_february_1994.html  
  

RHB

On Mar 25, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Bruce Ryan bruce.r...@me.com wrote:


Hi folks

I've just set my dad up with a base-model mac mini after years of supporting 
his ancient XP box. He's used to Autosketch for technical drawing, but this 
doesn't work on the mac - even the wonderful Crossover turns up its nose. So 
I've given him my copy of Creative Suite 3 so he can use Illustrator. 

I've tried to teach him some things and written a few exercises, but I'm not a 
good teacher, and most of the time I'm 350 miles from my parents.

So can anyone recommend a good guide/teach yourself Illustrator book? I don't 
think it will matter if it's from as far back as V5 (I recall the manual for 
V5 having a good teaching session, and I don't see that any of the fundamental 
functions have changed since then.)

thanks indeed

Bruce

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Re: teach yourself illustrator CS3

2013-03-27 Thread Bruce Ryan
Hi folks

I'm sticking with Illustrator CS3 for my dad because 
1) I've got it (In fact it's superfluous - I work in CS5 and CS5.5)
2) He's an engineer and draftsman, so needs a vector package to enable very 
fine-grained control.

cheers

Bruce
  
On 27 Mar 2013, at 17:55, Brian Fuelleman fontgee...@yahoo.com wrote:

 The major issues with programs like Superpaint is that it creates raster 
 images rather than vector art, and the files tend to be much larger for 
 anything close to full size, even at the lowest resolution considered high 
 res (300DPI).  You also have extreme limitations on trying to manipulate or 
 change elements in the artwork, re-scaling, etc., at a later date.
 
 From: ROBERT H. BAUCOM rbt...@owc.net
 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 8:55 AM
 Subject: Re: teach yourself illustrator CS3
 
 You Didn't mention what OS he is using… tsk, tsk.
 Since it's a G3 I would recommend Super Paint … I used it for  years until My 
 G3  Quicksilver and OS10.4.8.  Really miss it at times.
 I could use it for nearly anything.
 
 ver. 3.0 http://tidbits.com/article/3174  
 ver. 3.5 
 http://www.savetz.com/ku/ku/baggott_superpaint_3.5_february_1994.html
 
 RHB
 
 On Mar 25, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Bruce Ryan bruce.r...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi folks
 
 I've just set my dad up with a base-model mac mini after years of supporting 
 his ancient XP box. He's used to Autosketch for technical drawing, but this 
 doesn't work on the mac - even the wonderful Crossover turns up its nose. So 
 I've given him my copy of Creative Suite 3 so he can use Illustrator. 
 
 I've tried to teach him some things and written a few exercises, but I'm not 
 a good teacher, and most of the time I'm 350 miles from my parents.
 
 So can anyone recommend a good guide/teach yourself Illustrator book? I 
 don't think it will matter if it's from as far back as V5 (I recall the 
 manual for V5 having a good teaching session, and I don't see that any of 
 the fundamental functions have changed since then.)
 
 thanks indeed
 
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Re: teach yourself illustrator CS3

2013-03-27 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Mar 27, 2013, at 11:08 AM, Bruce Ryan bruce.r...@me.com wrote:

 Hi folks
 
 I'm sticking with Illustrator CS3 for my dad because 
 1) I've got it (In fact it's superfluous - I work in CS5 and CS5.5)
 2) He's an engineer and draftsman, so needs a vector package to enable very 
 fine-grained control.

Yeah Illustrator's the way to go (although Superpaint had both a paint and a 
vector layer, which made it unique at the time…first piece of Mac software I 
ever purchased was a copy of Superpaint back when it was still published by 
Silicon Beach!)

When he goes looking for a CAD program, I'd suggest Cadintosh:

http://www.lemkesoft.de/en/products/cadintosh/ Same author as the redoubtable 
Graphic Converter, and does a lot of the dimensioning and suchlike that's more 
CAD-ish than Illustrator-ish.


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Re: teach yourself illustrator CS3

2013-03-26 Thread DBS-Designs by Skip

And there is always youtube video's as well as iTune training

Skip

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Re: teach yourself illustrator CS3

2013-03-26 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Mar 26, 2013, at 5:41 AM, DBS-Designs by Skip i...@designsbyskip.com wrote:

 And there is always youtube video's as well as iTune training

Also Lynda.com is an excellent resource. It costs $ but there's a 7-day trial 
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Re: teach yourself illustrator CS3

2013-03-26 Thread Bruce Ryan
Skip, Bruce J

Many thanks indeed - ideas forwarded

Bruce R

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Fwd: teach yourself illustrator CS3

2013-03-25 Thread Bruce Ryan
Hi folks

I've just set my dad up with a base-model mac mini after years of supporting 
his ancient XP box. He's used to Autosketch for technical drawing, but this 
doesn't work on the mac - even the wonderful Crossover turns up its nose. So 
I've given him my copy of Creative Suite 3 so he can use Illustrator. 

I've tried to teach him some things and written a few exercises, but I'm not a 
good teacher, and most of the time I'm 350 miles from my parents.

So can anyone recommend a good guide/teach yourself Illustrator book? I don't 
think it will matter if it's from as far back as V5 (I recall the manual for V5 
having a good teaching session, and I don't see that any of the fundamental 
functions have changed since then.)

thanks indeed

Bruce

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Re: teach yourself illustrator CS3

2013-03-25 Thread Fabian Fang
On Mar 25, 2013, at 10:30 AM, Bruce Ryan wrote:

 I've just set my dad up with a base-model mac mini after years of supporting 
 his ancient XP box. He's used to Autosketch for technical drawing, but this 
 doesn't work on the mac - even the wonderful Crossover turns up its nose. So 
 I've given him my copy of Creative Suite 3 so he can use Illustrator. 
 
 I've tried to teach him some things and written a few exercises, but I'm not 
 a good teacher, and most of the time I'm 350 miles from my parents.
 
 So can anyone recommend a good guide/teach yourself Illustrator book? I don't 
 think it will matter if it's from as far back as V5 (I recall the manual for 
 V5 having a good teaching session, and I don't see that any of the 
 fundamental functions have changed since then.)


http://www.amazon.com/Illustrator-Windows-Macintosh-Elaine-Weinmann/dp/0321510453/ref=sr_1_2?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1364233558sr=1-2keywords=illustrator+cs3+books

It is a good book.  You can still buy a brand new copy for as little as $3.37 
(plus shipping) from an Amazon Marketplace.

Fabian

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Re: teach yourself illustrator CS3

2013-03-25 Thread glen
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 So can anyone recommend a good guide/teach yourself Illustrator book? I 
 don't think it will matter if it's from as far back as V5 (I recall the 
 manual for V5 having a good teaching session, and I don't see that any of 
 the fundamental functions have changed since then.)


http://www.amazon.com/Illustrator-Windows-Macintosh-Elaine-Weinmann/dp/0321510453/ref=sr_1_2?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1364233558sr=1-2keywords=illustrator+cs3+books

It is a good book.  You can still buy a brand new copy for as little as $3.37 
(plus shipping) from an Amazon Marketplace.


I'll second that suggestion. During the past few years I have purchased half 
dozen or more Peachpit Press Adobe CS instruction books from Amazon for a dime 
on the dollar. Clear and easy to read and shipping is only $4 IIRC. Even a used 
book purchased  for  $0.01 was in good shape. --glen

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Re: teach yourself illustrator CS3

2013-03-25 Thread Bruce Ryan
Fabian, Glen

 http://www.amazon.com/Illustrator-Windows-Macintosh-Elaine-Weinmann/dp/0321510453/ref=sr_1_2?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1364233558sr=1-2keywords=illustrator+cs3+books
 It is a good book.  You can still buy a brand new copy for as little as 
 $3.37 (plus shipping) from an Amazon Marketplace.
 I'll second that suggestion. During the past few years I have purchased half 
 dozen or more Peachpit Press Adobe CS instruction books from Amazon for a 
 dime on the dollar. Clear and easy to read and shipping is only $4 IIRC. Even 
 a used book purchased  for  $0.01 was in good shape. --

Thank you both! Prices not so much fun this side of the pond (£12) but easily 
affordable, so a copy is on its way to the parental abode…

cheers

Bruce

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Re: teach yourself illustrator CS3

2013-03-25 Thread Brian Christmas

G'day Bruce.

As an aside, have you set up a screen sharing link with both Macs, so you can 
show your parents what to do? Skype makes it easy, but you do need reasonably 
fast links. Skype suggest  300 KBs.

I find screen sharing invaluable, even from a few kilometers away.

Regards

Santa


On 26/03/2013, at 9:26 AM, Bruce Ryan bruce.r...@me.com wrote:

Fabian, Glen

 http://www.amazon.com/Illustrator-Windows-Macintosh-Elaine-Weinmann/dp/0321510453/ref=sr_1_2?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1364233558sr=1-2keywords=illustrator+cs3+books
 It is a good book.  You can still buy a brand new copy for as little as 
 $3.37 (plus shipping) from an Amazon Marketplace.
 I'll second that suggestion. During the past few years I have purchased half 
 dozen or more Peachpit Press Adobe CS instruction books from Amazon for a 
 dime on the dollar. Clear and easy to read and shipping is only $4 IIRC. Even 
 a used book purchased  for  $0.01 was in good shape. --

Thank you both! Prices not so much fun this side of the pond (£12) but easily 
affordable, so a copy is on its way to the parental abode…

cheers

Bruce
 

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Re: teach yourself illustrator CS3

2013-03-25 Thread Bruce Ryan
Hi Santa

 As an aside, have you set up a screen sharing link with both Macs, so you can 
 show your parents what to do? Skype makes it easy, but you do need reasonably 
 fast links. Skype suggest  300 KBs.
 
 I find screen sharing invaluable, even from a few kilometers away.

Agreed - and implemented! MacOS let me count the ways you are fab….. ….. ….. 
….. run out of fingers!

Bruce

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