Re: [Gambas-user] French mailing list is die ?
Le dimanche 07 septembre 2008 12:34:20 François, vous avez écrit : Hi Benoit, Since a long time, I find the french ML is empty. Is there a problem with it ? Perhaps not a lot of people are posting their bugs/questions in the french ML ? It's a question of preference. With the EN mailing-list, you can touch more people. If you want you can post in the french ML, i can answer if i know the answer :-) There is many french people involved in gambas :-p A plus tard sur la liste française ! ++ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Signal #11
Am Sonntag, 7. September 2008 14:05:22 schrieb Hans-Martin Bundeshund: Hello all, i have an application running well with 2.7.0 but getting a signal#11 with 2.8.2 PUBLIC SUB ButtonPartner_Click() DIM hForm AS FPartnerStart signal#11 -- hForm = NEW FPartnerStart(BenutzerID)-- signal#11 hForm.Show END As i get the error by creating a new form (what is designed with the gambas-ide) i thing there is 1 component that makes the trouble. But in this form i use a bunch of different component, so its not that simple to find out what will bring this error. Any suggestion how to find the guilty component? regards, HMB hmm, i think its not a bad idea to post the FPartnerStart-form: # Gambas Form File 2.0 { Form Form MoveScaled(13.,4,97,77) Text = (Partnerverwaltung) { EditImmerAn Menu NeuenPartnerAnlegen Name = EditImmerAn Text = () Shortcut = F1 } { ButtonPartnerNeuanlage Button MoveScaled(3,0,20,3) Enabled = False ToolTip = (Einen Neuen Partner anlegen) Text = (Neuen Partner anlegen) } { ButtonPartnerAendern Button MoveScaled(25,0,13,3) Enabled = False ToolTip = (Aktuellen Partner bearbeiten) Text = (Partner \xC3\xA4ndern) } { ButtonPartnerSuchen Button MoveScaled(79,0,16,3) Enabled = False ToolTip = (Nach einem Partner suchen.\nEs m\xC3\xBCssen minimum 3 Buch-\nstaben eingegeben werden.) Text = (Partner anzeigen) } { TabStripPartner TabStrip MoveScaled(2,8,93,67) Enabled = False Font = Font[Bold] AutoResize = True Count = 9 Index = 0 Text = (Anschrift) Picture = Picture[editcopy.png] { TextBoxName1 TextBox MoveScaled(15,1,77,3) Text = () ReadOnly = True MaxLength = 255 } { TextLabel1 TextLabel MoveScaled(2,1,11.,2.5556) ToolTip = (Erste Zeile der Anschrift) Text = (Name1) Alignment = Align.Right } { TextLabel2 TextLabel MoveScaled(2,5,11.,2.5556) ToolTip = (Zweite Zeile der Anschrift) Text = (Name2) Alignment = Align.Right } { TextBoxName2 TextBox MoveScaled(15,5,77,3) Text = () ReadOnly = True MaxLength = 255 } { TextLabel3 TextLabel MoveScaled(2,9,11.,2.5556) ToolTip = (Dritte Zeile der Anschrift) AutoResize = True Text = (Name3) Alignment = Align.Right } { TextBoxName3 TextBox MoveScaled(15,9,77,3) Text = () ReadOnly = True MaxLength = 255 } { TextLabel4 TextLabel MoveScaled(2,13,11.,2.5556) ToolTip = (Stra\xC3\x9Fe der Anschrift) Text = (Stra\xC3\x9Fe) Alignment = Align.Right } { TextBoxStrasse TextBox MoveScaled(15,13,51,3) Expand = True Text = () MaxLength = 255 } { TextBoxPF TextBox MoveScaled(72,13,20,3) Text = () ReadOnly = True MaxLength = 255 } { TextLabelPLZ TextLabel MoveScaled(2,17,11.,2.5556) ToolTip = (Die PLZ zur Stra\xC3\x9Fenanschrift) Text = (PLZ Stra\xC3\x9Fe) Alignment = Align.Right } { TextBoxPLZPF TextBox MoveScaled(72,17,20,3) ToolTip = (Die Postleitzahl der Postfachs) Text = () ReadOnly = True MaxLength = 255 } { TextBoxPLZ TextBox MoveScaled(15,17,19,3) ToolTip = (PLZ der Stra\xC3\x9Fenanschrift) Text = () ReadOnly = True MaxLength = 255 } { TextLabel6 TextLabel MoveScaled(9,21,4,2.5556) ToolTip = (Der Ort der Anschrift) Text = (Ort) Alignment = Align.Right } { TextBoxOrt TextBox MoveScaled(15,21,77,3) Text = () ReadOnly = True MaxLength = 255 } { TextLabel7 TextLabel MoveScaled(2,25,11.,2.5556) ToolTip = (Das Land der Anschrift) Text = (Land) Alignment = Align.Right } { TextBoxLand TextBox MoveScaled(15,25,77,3) Text = () ReadOnly = True MaxLength = 255 } { TextLabel8 TextLabel MoveScaled(1,32,13,2.5556) ToolTip = (Telefonnummer der Zentrale) Text = (Zentrale) Alignment = Align.Right } { TextLabel9 TextLabel MoveScaled(2,36,11.,2.5556) ToolTip = (Die FAX-Nummer der Zentrale) Text = (FAX) Alignment = Align.Right } { TextLabel10 TextLabel MoveScaled(64,53,10.5556,3.) ToolTip = (Das Anlagedatum des Partners in der Datenbank) Text = (Angelegt am) Alignment = Align.Right } { TextLabelEinstufung TextLabel MoveScaled(2,52,11.,3.) ToolTip = (Einstufung/Beurteilung des Kunden) Text = (Einstufung) Alignment = Align.Right } { TextBoxTelefonZentrale TextBox MoveScaled(15,32,35,3) Text = () ReadOnly = True MaxLength = 255 } { ButtonWeitereNummern Button MoveScaled(54,32,38,7) ToolTip = (Anzeige/Pflege weiterer
Re: [Gambas-user] Signal #11
Am Sonntag, 7. September 2008 14:05:22 schrieb Hans-Martin Bundeshund: Hello all, i have an application running well with 2.7.0 but getting a signal#11 with 2.8.2 PUBLIC SUB ButtonPartner_Click() DIM hForm AS FPartnerStart signal#11 -- hForm = NEW FPartnerStart(BenutzerID)-- signal#11 hForm.Show END As i get the error by creating a new form (what is designed with the gambas-ide) i thing there is 1 component that makes the trouble. But in this form i use a bunch of different component, so its not that simple to find out what will bring this error. Any suggestion how to find the guilty component? regards, HMB hmm, i think it's not a bad idea to post the FPartnerStart-form: # Gambas Form File 2.0 { Form Form MoveScaled(13.,4,97,77) Text = (Partnerverwaltung) { EditImmerAn Menu NeuenPartnerAnlegen Name = EditImmerAn Text = () Shortcut = F1 } { ButtonPartnerNeuanlage Button MoveScaled(3,0,20,3) Enabled = False ToolTip = (Einen Neuen Partner anlegen) Text = (Neuen Partner anlegen) } { ButtonPartnerAendern Button MoveScaled(25,0,13,3) Enabled = False ToolTip = (Aktuellen Partner bearbeiten) Text = (Partner \xC3\xA4ndern) } { ButtonPartnerSuchen Button MoveScaled(79,0,16,3) Enabled = False ToolTip = (Nach einem Partner suchen.\nEs m\xC3\xBCssen minimum 3 Buch-\nstaben eingegeben werden.) Text = (Partner anzeigen) } { TabStripPartner TabStrip MoveScaled(2,8,93,67) Enabled = False Font = Font[Bold] AutoResize = True Count = 9 Index = 0 Text = (Anschrift) Picture = Picture[editcopy.png] { TextBoxName1 TextBox MoveScaled(15,1,77,3) Text = () ReadOnly = True MaxLength = 255 } { TextLabel1 TextLabel MoveScaled(2,1,11.,2.5556) ToolTip = (Erste Zeile der Anschrift) Text = (Name1) Alignment = Align.Right } { TextLabel2 TextLabel MoveScaled(2,5,11.,2.5556) ToolTip = (Zweite Zeile der Anschrift) Text = (Name2) Alignment = Align.Right } { TextBoxName2 TextBox MoveScaled(15,5,77,3) Text = () ReadOnly = True MaxLength = 255 } { TextLabel3 TextLabel MoveScaled(2,9,11.,2.5556) ToolTip = (Dritte Zeile der Anschrift) AutoResize = True Text = (Name3) Alignment = Align.Right } { TextBoxName3 TextBox MoveScaled(15,9,77,3) Text = () ReadOnly = True MaxLength = 255 } { TextLabel4 TextLabel MoveScaled(2,13,11.,2.5556) ToolTip = (Stra\xC3\x9Fe der Anschrift) Text = (Stra\xC3\x9Fe) Alignment = Align.Right } { TextBoxStrasse TextBox MoveScaled(15,13,51,3) Expand = True Text = () MaxLength = 255 } { TextBoxPF TextBox MoveScaled(72,13,20,3) Text = () ReadOnly = True MaxLength = 255 } { TextLabelPLZ TextLabel MoveScaled(2,17,11.,2.5556) ToolTip = (Die PLZ zur Stra\xC3\x9Fenanschrift) Text = (PLZ Stra\xC3\x9Fe) Alignment = Align.Right } { TextBoxPLZPF TextBox MoveScaled(72,17,20,3) ToolTip = (Die Postleitzahl der Postfachs) Text = () ReadOnly = True MaxLength = 255 } { TextBoxPLZ TextBox MoveScaled(15,17,19,3) ToolTip = (PLZ der Stra\xC3\x9Fenanschrift) Text = () ReadOnly = True MaxLength = 255 } { TextLabel6 TextLabel MoveScaled(9,21,4,2.5556) ToolTip = (Der Ort der Anschrift) Text = (Ort) Alignment = Align.Right } { TextBoxOrt TextBox MoveScaled(15,21,77,3) Text = () ReadOnly = True MaxLength = 255 } { TextLabel7 TextLabel MoveScaled(2,25,11.,2.5556) ToolTip = (Das Land der Anschrift) Text = (Land) Alignment = Align.Right } { TextBoxLand TextBox MoveScaled(15,25,77,3) Text = () ReadOnly = True MaxLength = 255 } { TextLabel8 TextLabel MoveScaled(1,32,13,2.5556) ToolTip = (Telefonnummer der Zentrale) Text = (Zentrale) Alignment = Align.Right } { TextLabel9 TextLabel MoveScaled(2,36,11.,2.5556) ToolTip = (Die FAX-Nummer der Zentrale) Text = (FAX) Alignment = Align.Right } { TextLabel10 TextLabel MoveScaled(64,53,10.5556,3.) ToolTip = (Das Anlagedatum des Partners in der Datenbank) Text = (Angelegt am) Alignment = Align.Right } { TextLabelEinstufung TextLabel MoveScaled(2,52,11.,3.) ToolTip = (Einstufung/Beurteilung des Kunden) Text = (Einstufung) Alignment = Align.Right } { TextBoxTelefonZentrale TextBox MoveScaled(15,32,35,3) Text = () ReadOnly = True MaxLength = 255 } { ButtonWeitereNummern Button MoveScaled(54,32,38,7) ToolTip = (Anzeige/Pflege weiterer
Re: [Gambas-user] Signal #11
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Hans-Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Sonntag, 7. September 2008 14:05:22 schrieb Hans-Martin Bundeshund: Hello all, i have an application running well with 2.7.0 but getting a signal#11 with 2.8.2 PUBLIC SUB ButtonPartner_Click() DIM hForm AS FPartnerStart signal#11 -- hForm = NEW FPartnerStart(BenutzerID)-- signal#11 hForm.Show END Hi, sorry can not help you with your problem but it is better to send a little project as .tar.gz to the list which exhibits the problem. That way Benoit and others have it easier to test it and help you. As I am learning the Gambas I can not figure out what is this container object passed to form-constructor. I tried to look at Gambas help but no avail. Could someone tell me please. Best Regards Kari Laine - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Signal #11
On Sunday 07 September 2008, Hans-Martin wrote: Hello all, i have an application running well with 2.7.0 but getting a signal#11 with 2.8.2 PUBLIC SUB ButtonPartner_Click() DIM hForm AS FPartnerStart signal#11 -- hForm = NEW FPartnerStart(BenutzerID) -- signal#11 hForm.Show END As i get the error by creating a new form (what is designed with the gambas-ide) i thing there is 1 component that makes the trouble. But in this form i use a bunch of different component, so its not that simple to find out what will bring this error. Any suggestion how to find the guilty component? regards, HMB You get the error on creating the instance as shown. Two things happen 1) building the form as visible object 2) running the initialize code in the class file. If the form has the error you should get the error if the *.class file is empty or a dummy that does nothing. If no error occurs then it is the class file that has something wrong. Just something I had once in the past. At the time MoveScale was introduced in the forms I had some problems alike this. I made the 4 values round values instead float as I see in your form. In my project the bug was gone. Not nessasary this still happens nowadays. { Form Form MoveScaled(13.,4,97,77) -- to MoveScaled(13,4,97,77) Text = (Partnerverwaltung) { EditImmerAn Menu NeuenPartnerAnlegen Second point I see is the percent in the tooltip. Maybe that is a special character in gambas as the \ is. { ComboBoxPartnerName ComboBox MoveScaled(11,4,84,3) ToolTip = ('%ter' - findet alle Partner, die 'ter' im Namen haben\n'May' findet alle Partner, die mit 'May' anfangen) Drop = True Text = () } You could try to make a copy of the project with only the form and class file. Set the form/class as startup and check what happens. Editing here will not corrupt your current real project to mess. Best regards Ron_1st -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Signal #11
Am Sonntag, 7. September 2008 16:44:34 schrieb Ron_1st: On Sunday 07 September 2008, Hans-Martin wrote: Hello all, i have an application running well with 2.7.0 but getting a signal#11 with 2.8.2 PUBLIC SUB ButtonPartner_Click() DIM hForm AS FPartnerStart signal#11 -- hForm = NEW FPartnerStart(BenutzerID) -- signal#11 hForm.Show END As i get the error by creating a new form (what is designed with the gambas-ide) i thing there is 1 component that makes the trouble. But in this form i use a bunch of different component, so its not that simple to find out what will bring this error. Any suggestion how to find the guilty component? regards, HMB You get the error on creating the instance as shown. Two things happen 1) building the form as visible object 2) running the initialize code in the class file. If the form has the error you should get the error if the *.class file is empty or a dummy that does nothing. If no error occurs then it is the class file that has something wrong. Just something I had once in the past. At the time MoveScale was introduced in the forms I had some problems alike this. I made the 4 values round values instead float as I see in your form. In my project the bug was gone. Not nessasary this still happens nowadays. { Form Form MoveScaled(13.,4,97,77) -- to MoveScaled(13,4,97,77) Text = (Partnerverwaltung) { EditImmerAn Menu NeuenPartnerAnlegen fixed this, but same behavier :( Second point I see is the percent in the tooltip. Maybe that is a special character in gambas as the \ is. { ComboBoxPartnerName ComboBox MoveScaled(11,4,84,3) ToolTip = ('%ter' - findet alle Partner, die 'ter' im Namen haben\n'May' findet alle Partner, die mit 'May' anfangen) Drop = True Text = () } fixed this too, but still sig11 You could try to make a copy of the project with only the form and class file. Set the form/class as startup and check what happens. good idea. i have done this. gambas throws the signal#11 error before the first statement (in _new()) is reached. so the breakpoint i set on the first instruction is never reached... strange. there must be something else in the .form-file that will raise this error... Editing here will not corrupt your current real project to mess. Many thanks for that. me have to look closer and try more out :( It must something that changes between 2.7.0 and 2.8.2... Best regards Ron_1st Hans-Martin - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Signal #11
Hi all, I had a similar problem, my application runs well until I update to Gambas 2.8, then I get the error message with signal#11 I could solve that problem, when I delete the shortcuts in the menu editor, now the program runs well. May be there is a bug with that shortcuts? When I use these shortcuts in an other application the same problem occurs. Regards Joachim Hans-Martin schrieb: Am Sonntag, 7. September 2008 16:44:34 schrieb Ron_1st: On Sunday 07 September 2008, Hans-Martin wrote: Hello all, i have an application running well with 2.7.0 but getting a signal#11 with 2.8.2 PUBLIC SUB ButtonPartner_Click() DIM hForm AS FPartnerStart signal#11 -- hForm = NEW FPartnerStart(BenutzerID)-- signal#11 hForm.Show END As i get the error by creating a new form (what is designed with the gambas-ide) i thing there is 1 component that makes the trouble. But in this form i use a bunch of different component, so its not that simple to find out what will bring this error. Any suggestion how to find the guilty component? regards, HMB You get the error on creating the instance as shown. Two things happen 1) building the form as visible object 2) running the initialize code in the class file. If the form has the error you should get the error if the *.class file is empty or a dummy that does nothing. If no error occurs then it is the class file that has something wrong. Just something I had once in the past. At the time MoveScale was introduced in the forms I had some problems alike this. I made the 4 values round values instead float as I see in your form. In my project the bug was gone. Not nessasary this still happens nowadays. { Form Form MoveScaled(13.,4,97,77) -- to MoveScaled(13,4,97,77) Text = (Partnerverwaltung) { EditImmerAn Menu NeuenPartnerAnlegen fixed this, but same behavier :( Second point I see is the percent in the tooltip. Maybe that is a special character in gambas as the \ is. { ComboBoxPartnerName ComboBox MoveScaled(11,4,84,3) ToolTip = ('%ter' - findet alle Partner, die 'ter' im Namen haben\n'May' findet alle Partner, die mit 'May' anfangen) Drop = True Text = () } fixed this too, but still sig11 You could try to make a copy of the project with only the form and class file. Set the form/class as startup and check what happens. good idea. i have done this. gambas throws the signal#11 error before the first statement (in _new()) is reached. so the breakpoint i set on the first instruction is never reached... strange. there must be something else in the .form-file that will raise this error... Editing here will not corrupt your current real project to mess. Many thanks for that. me have to look closer and try more out :( It must something that changes between 2.7.0 and 2.8.2... Best regards Ron_1st Hans-Martin - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Maybe a bug in how Gambas manages open DB connections
Benoit Minisini ha scritto: On vendredi 05 septembre 2008, Leonardo Miliani wrote: Ops I forgot the version: 2.8.1, but got the same error with previous versions 2.8 and, if I remember correctly, 2.7. Then please post the actual code that shows your problem. Thanks. English is not my native language so maybe I can not explain the problem very well. But it's very easy to understand (don't think at the code, now: just think in pseudocode or logical steps): 1) I open a connection named C1 2) I get some results from it 3) I open a new connection named C2 4) Just after the point 3), if I try to get some other results from C1, I get the error the the C1 is not a valid object. I must call another MySQL query (even with C1.Find or C1.Execute or whatever I want) before to look for a result. I send the complete form (class and gui) that give me the error: not the complete project (too big, several MBs), not the original DB (tooo big...). -- Ciao. Leo. Web: www.leonardomiliani.com E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scegli software opensource - Choose opensource software Co-fondatore di Gambas-it.org Il sito di riferimento della comunità italiana degli utenti di Gambas www.gambas-it.org frmApriAuto.tar.bz2 Description: application/bzip - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
[Gambas-user] Trayicon question
Hi, I want to add trayicon functionality to my program. So I have dragged a Trayicon object to my main form to start with. When I start my program I get an 'Embedding has failed' error. Since the message is so sparse, I have no clue where to look... Do I miss a component, or forgot something? I'm using gb.qt with Gambas 2.8.1 Thanks in advance. Regards, Ron_2nd - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Maybe a bug in how Gambas manages open DB connections
On Sunday 07 September 2008, Leonardo Miliani wrote: Benoit Minisini ha scritto: On vendredi 05 septembre 2008, Leonardo Miliani wrote: Ops I forgot the version: 2.8.1, but got the same error with previous versions 2.8 and, if I remember correctly, 2.7. Then please post the actual code that shows your problem. Thanks. English is not my native language so maybe I can not explain the problem very well. But it's very easy to understand (don't think at the code, now: just think in pseudocode or logical steps): 1) I open a connection named C1 2) I get some results from it 3) I open a new connection named C2 4) Just after the point 3), if I try to get some other results from C1, I get the error the the C1 is not a valid object. I must call another MySQL query (even with C1.Find or C1.Execute or whatever I want) before to look for a result. I send the complete form (class and gui) that give me the error: not the complete project (too big, several MBs), not the original DB (tooo big...). When I did understand right in the past the mysql access is asynchroon. This means before the C!.exec it connects and after it it disconnect leaving no open connections, only the result is hold. When you make the C2 connection maybe the C1 connection is destroyed. This because i think you use the exact same property values. Try with another user name for C2, then mysql knows they are different For the connection the main properties are 'use', 'password', 'server', 'port'. Less importand are the 'database' and 'table' The wrong thing I see is that all those properties are put together on the connection. I should have 1 connection and across that same connection be able to access several databases and tables in them. I'm not sure that this is true in gambas. Seen from the mysql server it gets request from 2 equal sources, the different gambas connections are the same for the TCP connection. There is no unique identification sign they are differnt in the TCP connection. It could be the 'user'/'password' So the asynchroon close from the C@ connection kills someway C1 also. I think. Just guessing this is the problem. Best regards Ron_1st -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user