Re: [Gambas-user] who to detect if are running inside IDE

[PICCORO McKAY Lenz]

2017-07-03 18:51 GMT-04:00 Jussi Lahtinen :

> > Coz it stops at a defined place, not just next time the eventloop runs.
>
i matters, due depends on their environment and focused target objectives..
seems gambas developers have lack of vision...

some users mails and trick sound pretty rare.. but area prooff of variety
of needs.. that comes from externa vendor domination.. like me.. that many
things dont exits in gambas.. but i building..


>
>
> The eventloop needs to hit menu click for that to happen anyway... also I
> don't get why that matters. But I guess it's up to your taste.
>
>
>
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Re: [Gambas-user] who to detect if are running inside IDE

[Jussi Lahtinen]

> Coz it stops at a defined place, not just next time the eventloop runs.


The eventloop needs to hit menu click for that to happen anyway... also I
don't get why that matters. But I guess it's up to your taste.



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Re: [Gambas-user] who to detect if are running inside IDE

[bb]

On 04/07/17 08:12, Jussi Lahtinen wrote:

I don't understand why you need stop menu to your project. Why can't you
just use the stop button from the IDE?


Jussi


Coz it stops at a defined place, not just next time the eventloop runs.

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Re: [Gambas-user] who to detect if are running inside IDE

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2017-07-03 14:40 GMT-04:00 Tobias Boege :

> Exact same question here: https://sourceforge.net/p/
> gambas/mailman/message/34204796/

its does work for scripts, gambas.cgi or normal excecutables?


> answer. I still stand by my statement from two years ago: you shouldn't
> care
> where your program is run from in the first place. What problem are you
> trying to solve by knowing that?
>
when run from ide i can take care of a local db , set local paths..

if run from NOT-ide so then must detect system behaviour and user right
paths..

currenlty some things are not distro agnostic and/or are user specific or
user-wide only... like the examples.. /gambas farm installation of
programs..


>
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Re: [Gambas-user] who to detect if are running inside IDE

[Jussi Lahtinen]

I don't understand why you need stop menu to your project. Why can't you
just use the stop button from the IDE?


Jussi

On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 11:38 PM, adamn...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 20:40:46 +0200
> Tobias Boege  wrote:
>
>
> > I'm convinced that no matter how you try to detect if you're run by the
> IDE
> > or not, someone can create an environment where your test gives the wrong
> > answer. I still stand by my statement from two years ago: you shouldn't
> care
> > where your program is run from in the first place. What problem are you
> > trying to solve by knowing that?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tobi
>
>
> Since you asked :-)
>
> Laziness!
>
> Many times I have a menu item in a form that just "Stop"s the program i.e.
>
> Private Sub mnuDebug()
> Stop
> End
>
> then in the Form_Open()
>
> #If Exec
> mnuDebug.Visible = False
> #Endif
>
> So at development time, or when the customer has a problem, I almost
> always have a way to stop the program when it's running in the IDE.
>
> All this does is "tidy up" the program automatically when run outside the
> IDE. If a user wants to go to the extent of creating a non-x version of the
> program just to see that menu item - which will do nothing anyway since the
> Stop is ignored - then all I can say is "Good luck to them."
>
> There are probably trickier or even "more correct" ways to hide a menu
> item at runtime, but hey! Three lines and "As Far As I Care" - problem
> solved.
>
> b
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Re: [Gambas-user] System.Language (gb)

[Tobias Boege]

On Tue, 04 Jul 2017, bb wrote:
> On 04/07/17 07:13, Tobias Boege wrote:
> > On Tue, 04 Jul 2017, bb wrote:
> > > >Static Property Language As String
> > > >
> > > >Returns or sets the current language setting.
> > > >
> > > >But which one?  LANG? LC_ALL? LANGUAGE? ...
> > > >
> > According to source code it returns:
> > 
> >1. LC_ALL if that's non-empty, next
> >2. LANG if that's non-empty, or otherwise
> >3. en_US.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Tobi
> 
> Thanks Tobi,
> 
> ( I looked but couldn't find it in main ???)
> 

It's in main/gbx/gbx_c_system.c (which carries you to gbx_local.c).

> WIki updated.
> 
> Any comment on the UTF-8 bit?
> 

Sorry, I have no clue about locales. All I can say is that the interpreter
seems to only give you the value of the environment variables.

Regards,
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Re: [Gambas-user] System.Language (gb)

[bb]

On 04/07/17 07:13, Tobias Boege wrote:

On Tue, 04 Jul 2017, bb wrote:

>Static Property Language As String
>
>Returns or sets the current language setting.
>
>But which one?  LANG? LC_ALL? LANGUAGE? ...
>

According to source code it returns:

   1. LC_ALL if that's non-empty, next
   2. LANG if that's non-empty, or otherwise
   3. en_US.

Regards,
Tobi


Thanks Tobi,

( I looked but couldn't find it in main ???)

WIki updated.

Any comment on the UTF-8 bit?

b

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Re: [Gambas-user] System.Language (gb)

[Tobias Boege]

On Tue, 04 Jul 2017, bb wrote:
> Static Property Language As String
> 
> Returns or sets the current language setting.
> 
> But which one?  LANG? LC_ALL? LANGUAGE? ...
> 

According to source code it returns:

  1. LC_ALL if that's non-empty, next
  2. LANG if that's non-empty, or otherwise
  3. en_US.

Regards,
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[Gambas-user] System.Language (gb)

[bb]

Static Property Language As String

Returns or sets the current language setting.

But which one?  LANG? LC_ALL? LANGUAGE? ...

My problem is that most of my ENV localisations are set to 
"en_AU.UTF-8", the UTF-8 bit is supposed to be ignored but it

isn't somewhere and so the translation doesn't get done.

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Re: [Gambas-user] who to detect if are running inside IDE

[adamn...@gmail.com]

On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 20:40:46 +0200
Tobias Boege  wrote:


> I'm convinced that no matter how you try to detect if you're run by the IDE
> or not, someone can create an environment where your test gives the wrong
> answer. I still stand by my statement from two years ago: you shouldn't care
> where your program is run from in the first place. What problem are you
> trying to solve by knowing that?
> 
> Regards,
> Tobi


Since you asked :-)

Laziness!

Many times I have a menu item in a form that just "Stop"s the program i.e.

Private Sub mnuDebug()
Stop
End

then in the Form_Open()

#If Exec
mnuDebug.Visible = False
#Endif

So at development time, or when the customer has a problem, I almost always 
have a way to stop the program when it's running in the IDE.

All this does is "tidy up" the program automatically when run outside the IDE. 
If a user wants to go to the extent of creating a non-x version of the program 
just to see that menu item - which will do nothing anyway since the Stop is 
ignored - then all I can say is "Good luck to them."

There are probably trickier or even "more correct" ways to hide a menu item at 
runtime, but hey! Three lines and "As Far As I Care" - problem solved.

b

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Re: [Gambas-user] who to detect if are running inside IDE

[Tobias Boege]

On Mon, 03 Jul 2017, Karl Reinl wrote:
> Am Montag, den 03.07.2017, 20:40 +0200 schrieb Tobias Boege:
> > On Mon, 03 Jul 2017, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
> > > a piece of code to who to detect if are running inside IDE?  any ideas how
> > > to?
> > > 
> > 
> > Exact same question here: 
> > https://sourceforge.net/p/gambas/mailman/message/34204796/
> > 
> > If I may add something to the things said in the above thread: you could try
> > to get the parent PID of your Gambas process and determine if it's the IDE.
> > 
> > If you always run on Linux you can probably use the /proc filesystem to get
> > the path to the executable of your parent process or its command line. Then
> > it depends on if you want to trust that the user always installs the IDE as
> > "gambas3.gambas", for instance. Examining the parent process will probably
> > not work anymore if you run your process *from the IDE* but through gb.httpd
> > or through xterm (which are options in the IDE).
> > 
> > I'm convinced that no matter how you try to detect if you're run by the IDE
> > or not, someone can create an environment where your test gives the wrong
> > answer. I still stand by my statement from two years ago: you shouldn't care
> > where your program is run from in the first place. What problem are you
> > trying to solve by knowing that?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Tobi
> > 
> 
> Salut Tobi,
> 
> I use (since gambas1) the project Arguments from the IDE. I set a ISIDE.
> 
> Sub chkIfIsIDE()
> Dim nI As Integer
> bIsIDE = False
> For nI = 0 To Application.Args.Count - 1
> 'PRINT Application.Args[nI]
> If InStr(UCase(Application.Args[nI]), "ISIDE") > 0 Then
> bIsIDE = True
> Endif
> Next
> End
> 
> So if I don't call my project with a parameter called ISIDE, I can be
> sure .I ran in the IDE.
> 
> And the use is, I set the first key of my DB to  that is my
> Test-Mandant that's just a copy from one of my Mandants in my DB. 
> So no problems with crashing DB-data, that's the problem I solved with!.
> 
> Sorry : Mandant = mandator 
> 

Yes, and, in my opinion, you solved it the right way, by introducing
a proper interface which the user has to know and respect. Your program
doesn't guess, it is instructed.

Regards,
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Re: [Gambas-user] who to detect if are running inside IDE

[Karl Reinl]

Am Montag, den 03.07.2017, 20:40 +0200 schrieb Tobias Boege:
> On Mon, 03 Jul 2017, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
> > a piece of code to who to detect if are running inside IDE?  any ideas how
> > to?
> > 
> 
> Exact same question here: 
> https://sourceforge.net/p/gambas/mailman/message/34204796/
> 
> If I may add something to the things said in the above thread: you could try
> to get the parent PID of your Gambas process and determine if it's the IDE.
> 
> If you always run on Linux you can probably use the /proc filesystem to get
> the path to the executable of your parent process or its command line. Then
> it depends on if you want to trust that the user always installs the IDE as
> "gambas3.gambas", for instance. Examining the parent process will probably
> not work anymore if you run your process *from the IDE* but through gb.httpd
> or through xterm (which are options in the IDE).
> 
> I'm convinced that no matter how you try to detect if you're run by the IDE
> or not, someone can create an environment where your test gives the wrong
> answer. I still stand by my statement from two years ago: you shouldn't care
> where your program is run from in the first place. What problem are you
> trying to solve by knowing that?
> 
> Regards,
> Tobi
> 

Salut Tobi,

I use (since gambas1) the project Arguments from the IDE. I set a ISIDE.

Sub chkIfIsIDE()
Dim nI As Integer
bIsIDE = False
For nI = 0 To Application.Args.Count - 1
'PRINT Application.Args[nI]
If InStr(UCase(Application.Args[nI]), "ISIDE") > 0 Then
bIsIDE = True
Endif
Next
End

So if I don't call my project with a parameter called ISIDE, I can be
sure .I ran in the IDE.

And the use is, I set the first key of my DB to  that is my
Test-Mandant that's just a copy from one of my Mandants in my DB. 
So no problems with crashing DB-data, that's the problem I solved with!.

Sorry : Mandant = mandator 


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Re: [Gambas-user] who to detect if are running inside IDE

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Am Montag, den 03.07.2017, 20:40 +0200 schrieb Tobias Boege:
> On Mon, 03 Jul 2017, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
> > a piece of code to who to detect if are running inside IDE?  any ideas how
> > to?
> > 
> 
> Exact same question here: 
> https://sourceforge.net/p/gambas/mailman/message/34204796/
> 
> If I may add something to the things said in the above thread: you could try
> to get the parent PID of your Gambas process and determine if it's the IDE.
> 
> If you always run on Linux you can probably use the /proc filesystem to get
> the path to the executable of your parent process or its command line. Then
> it depends on if you want to trust that the user always installs the IDE as
> "gambas3.gambas", for instance. Examining the parent process will probably
> not work anymore if you run your process *from the IDE* but through gb.httpd
> or through xterm (which are options in the IDE).
> 
> I'm convinced that no matter how you try to detect if you're run by the IDE
> or not, someone can create an environment where your test gives the wrong
> answer. I still stand by my statement from two years ago: you shouldn't care
> where your program is run from in the first place. What problem are you
> trying to solve by knowing that?
> 
> Regards,
> Tobi
> 

Salut Tobi,

I use (since gambas1) the project Arguments from the IDE. I set a ISIDE.

Sub chkIfIsIDE()
Dim nI As Integer
bIsIDE = False
For nI = 0 To Application.Args.Count - 1
'PRINT Application.Args[nI]
If InStr(UCase(Application.Args[nI]), "ISIDE") > 0 Then
bIsIDE = True
Endif
Next
End

So if I don't call my project with a parameter called ISIDE, I can be
sure .I ran in the IDE.

And the use is, I set the first key of my DB to  that is my
Test-Mandant that's just a copy from one of my Mandants in my DB. 
So no problems with crashing DB-data, that's the problem I solved with!.

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Re: [Gambas-user] who to detect if are running inside IDE

[Tobias Boege]

On Mon, 03 Jul 2017, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
> a piece of code to who to detect if are running inside IDE?  any ideas how
> to?
> 

Exact same question here: 
https://sourceforge.net/p/gambas/mailman/message/34204796/

If I may add something to the things said in the above thread: you could try
to get the parent PID of your Gambas process and determine if it's the IDE.

If you always run on Linux you can probably use the /proc filesystem to get
the path to the executable of your parent process or its command line. Then
it depends on if you want to trust that the user always installs the IDE as
"gambas3.gambas", for instance. Examining the parent process will probably
not work anymore if you run your process *from the IDE* but through gb.httpd
or through xterm (which are options in the IDE).

I'm convinced that no matter how you try to detect if you're run by the IDE
or not, someone can create an environment where your test gives the wrong
answer. I still stand by my statement from two years ago: you shouldn't care
where your program is run from in the first place. What problem are you
trying to solve by knowing that?

Regards,
Tobi

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Re: [Gambas-user] who to detect if are running inside IDE

[Jussi Lahtinen]

I don't know how this reacts to Gambas scripts, but for "normal" projects
it works.

#If Exec
Print "Executable"
#Else
Print "IDE"
#Endif



Jussi

On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 8:23 PM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz 
wrote:

> a piece of code to who to detect if are running inside IDE?  any ideas how
> to?
>
> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
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Re: [Gambas-user] who to detect if are running inside IDE

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On 03/07/17 14:23, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
> a piece of code to who to detect if are running inside IDE?  any ideas how
> to?
>
> Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
> http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
In the old days of VB6 I tried to print the result of 1/0 to the DEBUG
pane. Since output to the debug pane is ignored in VB6 compiled, there
would be no error in the final compiled app.
I don't know if Gambas does the same, but try this:

Function InIDE() As Boolean

  Dim retVal As Boolean = False

  Try Debug (1/0)
  retVal = (Error.Code <> 0)
  Error.Clear

  Return retVal

End

Hope it helps,
zxMarce


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[Gambas-user] who to detect if are running inside IDE

[PICCORO McKAY Lenz]

a piece of code to who to detect if are running inside IDE?  any ideas how
to?

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
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