Re: [Gambas-user] About Gambas Farm

2016-06-26 Thread Francisco Martinez
Hi!.

In the Linux software manager we can see more than one picture, showing 
how is the
application. It may be of interest to have this feature.

Regards

Shell

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Re: [Gambas-user] About Gambas Farm

2016-06-26 Thread Jesus Guardon
Hi, Benoît et all

El 26/6/16 a las 12:40, Benoît Minisini escribió:
> Le 25/06/2016 20:59, Jesus Guardon a écrit :
[...]
>> the Farm interface
>> should be enhanced in terms of usability, such as implementing a score
>> system and a comments system. 
> 
> I agree for the comment system. But I disagree for the notation system 
> which I found actually useless and removed.
> 
Good to know you like a comment system.

>> [...]supervision of the published material, looking for a
>> minimum of quality. [...]
> 
> As this cannot be done automatically, maybe a special "quality" tag 
> could be added? Or a quality score? Or quality flags? It will tell 
> people that the program follows the quality rules.
> 
Yes, please. Perhaps a combination of some of them, explained further down.

>> [...]only a selected
>> set of them should be published after a proper quality filter. If bad
>> code is published massively, it will affect the gambas reputation in the
>> near future.
> 
> I'm against filtering, except malwares. I think quality tag (or notes) + 
> number of downloads should be enough for people to detect bad code.

I'm with you, except that if nothing is done in a timely manner, the
Farm will become a nightmare. We need to prevent abusing, i.e.
converting the public Farm in a private repository for someone and
maintain the quality level to a minimum, as said before. I think the
following aspects should be evaluated and shown somewhat next to the
program name:

* Naming conventions has been used
* Object names and comments are in English
* Good style of writing and organization of project
* Usefulness of code or application
* Usability and graphic design

...to name a few, but still waiting for the feedback from list members.

Perhaps a combination of tags that adds in for a number representing a
scale or level of quality...

> 
> The farm server and farm clients need enhancements for sure. It's a 
> matter of time, mainly for the farm client. If somebody can help for 
> enhancing it, he is welcome : the source code is in the IDE!

That's the main reason we use free software, of course, we will try to
help the best we can.

Regards,

Jesus (on behalf of gambas-es.org)



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Re: [Gambas-user] About Gambas Farm

2016-06-26 Thread Benoît Minisini
Le 25/06/2016 20:59, Jesus Guardon a écrit :
> Hi all
>
> Recently at the Spanish Forum gambas-es.org, we have had a vibrant
> debate about the gambas Farm and its features. On behalf of our
> Community, I'd like to forward some of the questions that deserve some
> discussion, in our opinion.
>
> Questions like "What's the actual purpose of the farm?", "Should we
> expect future changes on the farm?", "Are we making a proper use of the
> farm?", etc. are arising out of different points of view.
>
> In addition to these questions, some of us think that the Farm interface
> should be enhanced in terms of usability, such as implementing a score
> system and a comments system. I know it already has a
> download/installation counter, but it may or may not be relevant enough
> for the author. Also, a short comment from the users or other
> developers, may help to the main dev to debug his application.

I agree for the comment system. But I disagree for the notation system 
which I found actually useless and removed.

>
> One of the most strongly discussed aspects is the convenience of a
> management or supervision of the published material, looking for a
> minimum of quality. It should serve as an example of some feature, it
> should be written using the recommended rules, variable names in
> english, have relevant english comments and good style, not to mention
> correct indentation.

As this cannot be done automatically, maybe a special "quality" tag 
could be added? Or a quality score? Or quality flags? It will tell 
people that the program follows the quality rules.

>
> While some of us think that the Farm should be open to whatever type of
> script, snippet or whole applications, others think that only a selected
> set of them should be published after a proper quality filter. If bad
> code is published massively, it will affect the gambas reputation in the
> near future.

I'm against filtering, except malwares. I think quality tag (or notes) + 
number of downloads should be enough for people to detect bad code.

> We think about Gambas Farm as a showcase of good
> programming practices and as a teaching tool, therefore it should be
> enforced a minimum quality level.
>
> What do you guys think about all these questions? We would like to open
> a friendly debate about it.
>

The farm server and farm clients need enhancements for sure. It's a 
matter of time, mainly for the farm client. If somebody can help for 
enhancing it, he is welcome : the source code is in the IDE!

Regards,

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[Gambas-user] About Gambas Farm

2016-06-25 Thread Jesus Guardon
Hi all

Recently at the Spanish Forum gambas-es.org, we have had a vibrant
debate about the gambas Farm and its features. On behalf of our
Community, I'd like to forward some of the questions that deserve some
discussion, in our opinion.

Questions like "What's the actual purpose of the farm?", "Should we
expect future changes on the farm?", "Are we making a proper use of the
farm?", etc. are arising out of different points of view.

In addition to these questions, some of us think that the Farm interface
should be enhanced in terms of usability, such as implementing a score
system and a comments system. I know it already has a
download/installation counter, but it may or may not be relevant enough
for the author. Also, a short comment from the users or other
developers, may help to the main dev to debug his application.

One of the most strongly discussed aspects is the convenience of a
management or supervision of the published material, looking for a
minimum of quality. It should serve as an example of some feature, it
should be written using the recommended rules, variable names in
english, have relevant english comments and good style, not to mention
correct indentation.

While some of us think that the Farm should be open to whatever type of
script, snippet or whole applications, others think that only a selected
set of them should be published after a proper quality filter. If bad
code is published massively, it will affect the gambas reputation in the
near future. We think about Gambas Farm as a showcase of good
programming practices and as a teaching tool, therefore it should be
enforced a minimum quality level.

What do you guys think about all these questions? We would like to open
a friendly debate about it.

Best regards,

Jesús

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