Re: [Gambas-user] Complex Extra Dependency
On 14/02/2013, Benoît Minisini gam...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Le 14/02/2013 19:00, John Rose a écrit : Tobi, I wanted to see if anyone had run into this issue before. That was why I was vague. If I create the installation package without specifying gnome-panel as an Extra Dependency but run 'sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends gnome-panel' before installing the app (from the created installation package), everything is fine. As you say, it would be useful to know if the--no-install-recommends option could be implemented in the Extra Dependencies step so that a user could install the app without running the above sudo apt-get commend. Any comments about this facility being made available in Gambas? Regards, John The installer tries to be distribution-agnostic. What does --no-install-recommends do ? Normally, when a package is installed, only the needed dependencies are installed, not the recommended packages. Or am I wrong? -- Benoît Minisini I cannot speak with any authority on this matter, but Mandriva and Mageia use a similar mechanism which can be turned off using the urpmi option --no-suggests. This could well be handled differently by other distros' package managers for rpms. The problem I see with this is that suggested packages are _completely_ at the whim of the packager for any given distribution and there is less than no guarantee that any two or more distributions will package the same app with the same suggested additions. Furthermore, at least as far as rpmdrake (the gui tool using urpmi) is concerned, it is not obvious to the user which, if any, additional packages are required and which are suggested. If we implement a suggested package handler in some package-independent way for Gambas application packages then we might also need some conditional logic to handle the different requirements of different distributions. This means, at the very least, that if a Gambas application developer determines that on distribution X, used for development, a required package can be used sans-suggests, then a good deal of research into other possible target distributions' versions of the same required package would be needed to determine if the same requirement option (no suggests) is relevant and/or possible. Ooops, got a bit carried away there. Hope the logic is clear:-) Richard -- The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most recent posts - join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
[Gambas-user] Complex Extra Dependency
I thought that I'd just ask this question again. I have written an app in Gambas 3.3.4 want to make an installation package for Ubuntu. The app has a dependency of gnome-panel which must be installed by: sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends gnome-panel according to UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles - Community Ubuntu Documentation https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles which states that: It is important to install gnome-panel using the following command 'sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends gnome-panel', so as not to install the recommended not-needed packets along with it. If I put gnome-panel in the Extra Dependencies step, it would presumably effectively be sudo apt-get install gnome-panel? What should I do? -- Regards, John -- Free Next-Gen Firewall Hardware Offer Buy your Sophos next-gen firewall before the end March 2013 and get the hardware for free! Learn more. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sophos-d2d-feb ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Complex Extra Dependency
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013, John Rose wrote: I thought that I'd just ask this question again. I have written an app in Gambas 3.3.4 want to make an installation package for Ubuntu. The app has a dependency of gnome-panel which must be installed by: sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends gnome-panel according to UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles - Community Ubuntu Documentation https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles which states that: It is important to install gnome-panel using the following command 'sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends gnome-panel', so as not to install the recommended not-needed packets along with it. If I put gnome-panel in the Extra Dependencies step, it would presumably effectively be sudo apt-get install gnome-panel? What should I do? Are sure that you can actually accomplish what you want, namely that the dependency _can_ be installed with the --no-install-recommends argument? I don't know the format of .deb packages. If you know better, please say it so that one can estimate the effort to implement it. Regards, Tobi -- Free Next-Gen Firewall Hardware Offer Buy your Sophos next-gen firewall before the end March 2013 and get the hardware for free! Learn more. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sophos-d2d-feb ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Complex Extra Dependency
Tobi, I wanted to see if anyone had run into this issue before. That was why I was vague. If I create the installation package without specifying gnome-panel as an Extra Dependency but run 'sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends gnome-panel' before installing the app (from the created installation package), everything is fine. As you say, it would be useful to know if the--no-install-recommends option could be implemented in the Extra Dependencies step so that a user could install the app without running the above sudo apt-get commend. Any comments about this facility being made available in Gambas? Regards, John On 14/02/13 17:47, Tobias Boege wrote: On Thu, 14 Feb 2013, John Rose wrote: I thought that I'd just ask this question again. I have written an app in Gambas 3.3.4 want to make an installation package for Ubuntu. The app has a dependency of gnome-panel which must be installed by: sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends gnome-panel according to UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles - Community Ubuntu Documentation https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles which states that: It is important to install gnome-panel using the following command 'sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends gnome-panel', so as not to install the recommended not-needed packets along with it. If I put gnome-panel in the Extra Dependencies step, it would presumably effectively be sudo apt-get install gnome-panel? What should I do? Are sure that you can actually accomplish what you want, namely that the dependency _can_ be installed with the --no-install-recommends argument? I don't know the format of .deb packages. If you know better, please say it so that one can estimate the effort to implement it. Regards, Tobi -- Free Next-Gen Firewall Hardware Offer Buy your Sophos next-gen firewall before the end March 2013 and get the hardware for free! Learn more. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sophos-d2d-feb ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user -- Free Next-Gen Firewall Hardware Offer Buy your Sophos next-gen firewall before the end March 2013 and get the hardware for free! Learn more. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sophos-d2d-feb ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Complex Extra Dependency
On 14/02/2013 19:07, Benoît Minisini wrote: Normally, when a package is installed, only the needed dependencies are installed, not the recommended packages. Or am I wrong? Not sure of how it works in details, but I think it's wrong, at least in most cases, with apt-get. I remember discussions when the new work mode became standard also in Debian. In apt.conf file, for example, to reduce installed packages, you can also put a setting: APT::Install-Recommends false; -- Free Next-Gen Firewall Hardware Offer Buy your Sophos next-gen firewall before the end March 2013 and get the hardware for free! Learn more. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sophos-d2d-feb ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
