Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas in a tablet. Is it possible?
2017-07-13 1:41 GMT-04:00 alexchernoff : > There is a software called NSBasic that can build Android apps and is very > it's another mess up, a guindows-only stupid software... the idea its complete develop in linux to deploy in the others/all platforms, i'm tyred of guindows -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas in a tablet. Is it possible?
There is a software called NSBasic that can build Android apps and is very similar to VB/Gambas. Not free but works fine. -- View this message in context: http://gambas.8142.n7.nabble.com/Re-Gambas-in-a-tablet-Is-it-possible-tp59715p59734.html Sent from the gambas-user mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas in a tablet. Is it possible?
2017-07-12 11:41 GMT-04:00 Benoît Minisini : > The first step is to compile Gambas on a tablet, except the GUI components. > as i see, compiling a app "for" androit its not same as "to" androit.. as happened also in Mac, we need the runtime of gcc/glibc equivalent if the compilation are native.. in other case, will need the complete (stupi very heavy) development env of androit, the (in)fammous SDK > The big job is making a GUI component based on Android libraries, if > possible. Or maybe Qt 5 can run on Android? > runs, as Maebo does.. but... there's a standar qt5/qt4 installation for androit? > > > -- > Benoît Minisini > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas in a tablet. Is it possible?
Le 12/07/2017 à 17:26, PICCORO McKAY Lenz a écrit : 2017-07-12 11:02 GMT-04:00 Fabien Bodard : Not really. We just need x functions for the desktop lib. All can be done from cocoa to w32ctl passing by android toolkit. Just matter of knowledge and time as Gambas is just a compiler with term output on the basis depending only on glibc. umm It is encouraging to hear that, which means that only time is really required, since the rest is to read and "translate" calls appropriately. But we have a manpower's deficit. For sample, my work depends on adjusting the odbc part in gambas, as in other projects like FreeTDS ... i can colaborate but due lack of odbc funtionality, i rirght now have lot fo work at my job.. modify the code to work as spected.. any man that can give a try to this support on tables? as all said, its just time dedication and further reading.. -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user The first step is to compile Gambas on a tablet, except the GUI components. The big job is making a GUI component based on Android libraries, if possible. Or maybe Qt 5 can run on Android? -- Benoît Minisini -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas in a tablet. Is it possible?
2017-07-12 11:02 GMT-04:00 Fabien Bodard : > Not really. We just need x functions for the desktop lib. All can be done > from cocoa to w32ctl passing by android toolkit. > Just matter of knowledge and time as Gambas is just a compiler with term > output on the basis depending only on glibc. > umm It is encouraging to hear that, which means that only time is really required, since the rest is to read and "translate" calls appropriately. But we have a manpower's deficit. For sample, my work depends on adjusting the odbc part in gambas, as in other projects like FreeTDS ... i can colaborate but due lack of odbc funtionality, i rirght now have lot fo work at my job.. modify the code to work as spected.. any man that can give a try to this support on tables? as all said, its just time dedication and further reading.. -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas in a tablet. Is it possible?
Le 11 juil. 2017 01:39, "PICCORO McKAY Lenz" a écrit : 2017-07-10 17:42 GMT-04:00 Rolf-Werner Eilert : > Basically, someone would have to do what Benoit once did: sacrifice "some" > time and write a library that links Gambas functions to Android GUI. those that have the time does not have the money or food in that time > > Android is similar to Linux, at its core. So very basic Gambas functions > should run on an Android without too much adaptation. The GUI however is > completely different, with finger-wipes etc., that would have to be > re-designed. its a hard work.. well was just a question for time.. i remenber that benoit said that gambas has a close relation with X so well.. Not really. We just need x functions for the desktop lib. All can be done from cocoa to w32ctl passing by android toolkit. Just matter of knowledge and time as Gambas is just a compiler with term output on the basis depending only on glibc. > > If someone would do that, the community would be happy! of course.. ok thanks for response... > > Rolf > > > > Am 10.07.2017 um 21:22 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz: >> >> hi, sorry for revivin old threaths, but i'm interesting in gambas in other >> systems.. >> >> its there any new or something about gambas in androit? tablets? >> >> Message: 1 >>> >>> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:51:16 -0400 >>> From: Rob Kudla >>> >> One way you could get a virtual keyboard and mouse input is to use one of >>> >>> the Linux installers available on Google Play (preferably a free one; >>> I've. >>> >> this looks like a complicated solution... for users i mean... but >> reasonable for a static instalation by "service" >> >> >>> Running an Android X server app in conjunction with one of those Linux >>> installers would be another option, probably a cleaner one, but that's >>> one >>> >> sound better.. still complicated >> >> >>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=au.com.darkside.XServer >>> >>> Running Linux in a chroot (as many Android Linux installers will set up >>> for >>> you) will probably give you far better performance than a virtual >>> machine... >>> >> this may affect the performance due limited resource in device.. >> >> >>> As you can see, there's no easy turnkey solution, but a number of >>> possibilities. Personally, I'd go with something like Phonegap, which >>> just >>> uses Javascript/jquery and HTML, if I wanted to write Android apps (at >>> least the kind of app I would have used Gambas for on the Linux desktop) >>> >> that env "thing" only are for MAC and guindows... >> seems easy to develop.. but dev env are very limited.. >> >> >>> without dealing with Java. You can even put them in Google Play if you >>> want. >>> >>> Rob >>> >> >> -- >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> ___ >> Gambas-user mailing list >> Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user >> >> > > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Gambas-user mailing list > Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas in a tablet. Is it possible?
2017-07-10 17:42 GMT-04:00 Rolf-Werner Eilert : > Basically, someone would have to do what Benoit once did: sacrifice "some" > time and write a library that links Gambas functions to Android GUI. those that have the time does not have the money or food in that time > > Android is similar to Linux, at its core. So very basic Gambas functions > should run on an Android without too much adaptation. The GUI however is > completely different, with finger-wipes etc., that would have to be > re-designed. its a hard work.. well was just a question for time.. i remenber that benoit said that gambas has a close relation with X so well.. > > If someone would do that, the community would be happy! of course.. ok thanks for response... > > Rolf > > > > Am 10.07.2017 um 21:22 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz: >> >> hi, sorry for revivin old threaths, but i'm interesting in gambas in other >> systems.. >> >> its there any new or something about gambas in androit? tablets? >> >> Message: 1 >>> >>> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:51:16 -0400 >>> From: Rob Kudla >>> >> One way you could get a virtual keyboard and mouse input is to use one of >>> >>> the Linux installers available on Google Play (preferably a free one; >>> I've. >>> >> this looks like a complicated solution... for users i mean... but >> reasonable for a static instalation by "service" >> >> >>> Running an Android X server app in conjunction with one of those Linux >>> installers would be another option, probably a cleaner one, but that's >>> one >>> >> sound better.. still complicated >> >> >>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=au.com.darkside.XServer >>> >>> Running Linux in a chroot (as many Android Linux installers will set up >>> for >>> you) will probably give you far better performance than a virtual >>> machine... >>> >> this may affect the performance due limited resource in device.. >> >> >>> As you can see, there's no easy turnkey solution, but a number of >>> possibilities. Personally, I'd go with something like Phonegap, which >>> just >>> uses Javascript/jquery and HTML, if I wanted to write Android apps (at >>> least the kind of app I would have used Gambas for on the Linux desktop) >>> >> that env "thing" only are for MAC and guindows... >> seems easy to develop.. but dev env are very limited.. >> >> >>> without dealing with Java. You can even put them in Google Play if you >>> want. >>> >>> Rob >>> >> >> -- >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> ___ >> Gambas-user mailing list >> Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user >> >> > > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Gambas-user mailing list > Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas in a tablet. Is it possible?
Basically, someone would have to do what Benoit once did: sacrifice "some" time and write a library that links Gambas functions to Android GUI. Android is similar to Linux, at its core. So very basic Gambas functions should run on an Android without too much adaptation. The GUI however is completely different, with finger-wipes etc., that would have to be re-designed. If someone would do that, the community would be happy! Rolf Am 10.07.2017 um 21:22 schrieb PICCORO McKAY Lenz: hi, sorry for revivin old threaths, but i'm interesting in gambas in other systems.. its there any new or something about gambas in androit? tablets? Message: 1 Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:51:16 -0400 From: Rob Kudla One way you could get a virtual keyboard and mouse input is to use one of the Linux installers available on Google Play (preferably a free one; I've. this looks like a complicated solution... for users i mean... but reasonable for a static instalation by "service" Running an Android X server app in conjunction with one of those Linux installers would be another option, probably a cleaner one, but that's one sound better.. still complicated https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=au.com.darkside.XServer Running Linux in a chroot (as many Android Linux installers will set up for you) will probably give you far better performance than a virtual machine... this may affect the performance due limited resource in device.. As you can see, there's no easy turnkey solution, but a number of possibilities. Personally, I'd go with something like Phonegap, which just uses Javascript/jquery and HTML, if I wanted to write Android apps (at least the kind of app I would have used Gambas for on the Linux desktop) that env "thing" only are for MAC and guindows... seems easy to develop.. but dev env are very limited.. without dealing with Java. You can even put them in Google Play if you want. Rob -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas in a tablet. Is it possible?
hi, sorry for revivin old threaths, but i'm interesting in gambas in other systems.. its there any new or something about gambas in androit? tablets? Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:51:16 -0400 > From: Rob Kudla > One way you could get a virtual keyboard and mouse input is to use one of > the Linux installers available on Google Play (preferably a free one; > I've. > this looks like a complicated solution... for users i mean... but reasonable for a static instalation by "service" > Running an Android X server app in conjunction with one of those Linux > installers would be another option, probably a cleaner one, but that's > one > sound better.. still complicated > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=au.com.darkside.XServer > > Running Linux in a chroot (as many Android Linux installers will set up for > you) will probably give you far better performance than a virtual > machine... > this may affect the performance due limited resource in device.. > As you can see, there's no easy turnkey solution, but a number of > possibilities. Personally, I'd go with something like Phonegap, which just > uses Javascript/jquery and HTML, if I wanted to write Android apps (at > least the kind of app I would have used Gambas for on the Linux desktop) > that env "thing" only are for MAC and guindows... seems easy to develop.. but dev env are very limited.. > without dealing with Java. You can even put them in Google Play if you > want. > > Rob > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas in a tablet. Is it possible?
One way you could get a virtual keyboard and mouse input is to use one of the Linux installers available on Google Play (preferably a free one; I've never heard a good recommendation for any of the pay ones) and access the Gambas app using VNC. In the past, users getting Gambas apps to be useful on Windows desktops have configured VNC servers to only serve their Gambas apps, and Android VNC viewers generally have virtual mouse and keyboards. I think most of the Linux installers set up VNC by default as a way to access Linux desktop apps from the Android side. Running an Android X server app in conjunction with one of those Linux installers would be another option, probably a cleaner one, but that's one I haven't tried. I've had clients in the past who ran Linux desktop apps on a terminal server and displayed them on Windows desktops this way. Ethernet connections made doing that feel like they were running natively. Doing it on the same host, as you would be in this case, should be faster still. It's possible to set a Gambas up as a display manager, allowing you to make it full screen and feel a little more like a native app. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=au.com.darkside.XServer Running Linux in a chroot (as many Android Linux installers will set up for you) will probably give you far better performance than a virtual machine as long as you have a device with multiple cores. The only advantages a virtual machine would give you in exchange for the performance hit would be the lack of a need for a separate display app (if the virtual machine you choose has a virtual keyboard -- the ones I'm seeing on Google Play currently don't, but you could always install "onboard" on your virtual Linux box or build a virtual keyboard into your Gambas app) and it shouldn't require root, which the rest of these solutions all would. As you can see, there's no easy turnkey solution, but a number of possibilities. Personally, I'd go with something like Phonegap, which just uses Javascript/jquery and HTML, if I wanted to write Android apps (at least the kind of app I would have used Gambas for on the Linux desktop) without dealing with Java. You can even put them in Google Play if you want. Rob On 2013-10-31 09:28, Jose Monteiro wrote: > Thank you Rob, for your quick reply. > > A Virtual Machine as one of the possible solutions, you said? > Interesting, but I guess free RAM would be a bottle neck. I could test > this, for sure. > > If a full Ubuntu ARM installation could preserve the touch screen > functionality AND the virtual keyboard, this software is completely > possible. > > Maybe I need to think a little harder about it. > > > > > > On Thursday, October 31, 2013 9:31 AM, Rob Kudla > wrote: > > On 2013-10-31 04:43, Jose Monteiro wrote: > >> Is it possible to install Gambas over Android? > > If you install an Ubuntu chroot or virtual machine, sure, just apt-get > it. None of the toolkits are optimized for touch but I assume Ubuntu has > done something to make Gtk touch-friendly for their stuff, since tablets > are one of their target platforms. So maybe it'd work with some > judicious app design. > > But there's no native Android Gambas interpreter yet, and without X or > even glibc, I'm not sure there ever will be. It would be almost as big a > job as a Windows port, which has been tried numerous times without > getting further than a proof of concept. > > You can replace Android on many devices with a full Ubuntu ARM > installation, but you'll usually do so at the expense of some hardware > functionality, such as accelerated graphics or Bluetooth. > > Rob > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Android is increasing in popularity, but the open development platform that > developers love is also attractive to malware creators. Download this > white paper to learn more about secure code signing practices that can > help keep Android apps secure. > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=65839951&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Android is increasing in popularity, but the open development platform that > developers love is also attractive to malware creators. Download this > white paper to learn more about secure code signing practices that can > help keep Android apps secure. > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=65839951&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user >
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas in a tablet. Is it possible?
Thank you Rob, for your quick reply. A Virtual Machine as one of the possible solutions, you said? Interesting, but I guess free RAM would be a bottle neck. I could test this, for sure. If a full Ubuntu ARM installation could preserve the touch screen functionality AND the virtual keyboard, this software is completely possible. Maybe I need to think a little harder about it. On Thursday, October 31, 2013 9:31 AM, Rob Kudla wrote: On 2013-10-31 04:43, Jose Monteiro wrote: > Is it possible to install Gambas over Android? If you install an Ubuntu chroot or virtual machine, sure, just apt-get it. None of the toolkits are optimized for touch but I assume Ubuntu has done something to make Gtk touch-friendly for their stuff, since tablets are one of their target platforms. So maybe it'd work with some judicious app design. But there's no native Android Gambas interpreter yet, and without X or even glibc, I'm not sure there ever will be. It would be almost as big a job as a Windows port, which has been tried numerous times without getting further than a proof of concept. You can replace Android on many devices with a full Ubuntu ARM installation, but you'll usually do so at the expense of some hardware functionality, such as accelerated graphics or Bluetooth. Rob -- Android is increasing in popularity, but the open development platform that developers love is also attractive to malware creators. Download this white paper to learn more about secure code signing practices that can help keep Android apps secure. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=65839951&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user -- Android is increasing in popularity, but the open development platform that developers love is also attractive to malware creators. Download this white paper to learn more about secure code signing practices that can help keep Android apps secure. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=65839951&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
Re: [Gambas-user] Gambas in a tablet. Is it possible?
On 2013-10-31 04:43, Jose Monteiro wrote: > Is it possible to install Gambas over Android? If you install an Ubuntu chroot or virtual machine, sure, just apt-get it. None of the toolkits are optimized for touch but I assume Ubuntu has done something to make Gtk touch-friendly for their stuff, since tablets are one of their target platforms. So maybe it'd work with some judicious app design. But there's no native Android Gambas interpreter yet, and without X or even glibc, I'm not sure there ever will be. It would be almost as big a job as a Windows port, which has been tried numerous times without getting further than a proof of concept. You can replace Android on many devices with a full Ubuntu ARM installation, but you'll usually do so at the expense of some hardware functionality, such as accelerated graphics or Bluetooth. Rob -- Android is increasing in popularity, but the open development platform that developers love is also attractive to malware creators. Download this white paper to learn more about secure code signing practices that can help keep Android apps secure. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=65839951&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
[Gambas-user] Gambas in a tablet. Is it possible?
I have finalized a software for a microbiological lab using Gambas 3. Right now, I am starting a new one for a chemical lab and had an idea: a main software on a desktop and clients on tablets, one for each technician, so they can input the results by the wireless network. Is it possible to install Gambas over Android? If not, is it possible to install a Linux distro on a tablet and have the touch functionality working well? Someone here already did it? -- Android is increasing in popularity, but the open development platform that developers love is also attractive to malware creators. Download this white paper to learn more about secure code signing practices that can help keep Android apps secure. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=65839951&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Gambas-user mailing list Gambas-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gambas-user
