Re: [Audyssey] altar Aeon area.
Ah, sorry for the false information. That seems like a really strange place to put that zone. I guess it makes some sense though since the mines are full of demons. -- From: Rick twelvestring...@verizon.net Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 04:56 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] altar Aeon area. Thanks, I've been looking for that area for quite some time, I hope the quests are still there. On 1/5/2013 2:55 PM, Dennis Towne wrote: The actual imp mines area was turned into a treasure room/easter egg zone; all the objects are still there, but the mobs have been removed. You can access it by going into the abandoned mineshaft area of the Kentwig and Grumditch copper mine. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Shadow Dragon elementalult...@hotmail.com wrote: I just checked and it's definitely still there. Looks like the area is closed for some reason though. Before an abandoned mine entrance The path ends at a rectangular opening in the cliff side, quite clearly a mine shaft. It is currently boarded up, and the rotting timbers lead you to believe that going inside would be less than safe. To the west, the path leads through a rough patch of hilly country back towards a dark, brooding forest. west Guess you'll have to wait till it re-opens. -- From: Ricktwelvestring...@verizon.net Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 09:59 AM To: Gamers Discussion listgamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] altar Aeon area. Not there anymore. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user
Hi The game is called King of Dragon past. There are lots of games for the iPhone depending on what type of person you are. You can get classic games such as text adventures on the iPhone, multiple-choice interactive fiction, 3-D action arcade games, the list goes on. Give us an idea of is to what sort of thing you would like to do and we will try and help you. Sent from my iPhone On 6 Jan 2013, at 06:29, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Taylor, I'm not an iPhone user myself, but there has been quite a bit of discussion lately of a game called Legend of Dragon Pass.From what I gather it is a fairly complex RPG game where you get to run and manage a clan of Vikings over a period of several years: plant crops, build raiding parties, explore new territories, enter into wars with rival clans, and so forth. I'll let someone else who has the game tell you more, but from the audio demo done a couple weeks back it is a very involved game. On 1/5/13, taylorarnd...@gmail.com taylorarnd...@gmail.com wrote: Does anybody know any good iPhone games for voiceover users I Arity have a couple that I Artie have installed I would like To have some suggestions Sent from my iPhone --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user
Hi Taylor, I have a page of blind friendly iPhone games at, http://www.pcsgames.net/iPhoneGames.htm Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BGT: any suggestion for a text editor.
Hi Thomas, I was just wondering what you heard the file size limit was on HJ Pad. Just for the heck of it I kept pasting text into HJ Pad. I quit when I got to test txt 30,289,952 bytes, about seven hundred thousand lines. To date my largest code file is Dungeon Master at dungeon frm284,203 bytes, 16,290 lines of code. Now I do know that Basic takes less lines of code than other programming languages and that my games are not as involved as some games, but still I'm thinking that would be one heck of allot of lines of code. BFN Jim Might as well face it, you're addicted to code... j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BGT: any suggestion for a text editor.
Hi Thomas, I was just wondering what you heard the file size limit was on HJ Pad. Just for the heck of it I kept pasting text into HJ Pad. I quit when I got to test txt 30,289,952 bytes, about seven hundred thousand lines. To date my largest code file is Dungeon Master at dungeon frm284,203 bytes, 16,290 lines of code. Now I do know that Basic takes less lines of code than other programming languages and that my games are not as involved as some games, but still I'm thinking that would be one heck of allot of lines of code. BFN Jim Might as well face it, you're addicted to code... j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BGT: any suggestion for a text editor.
Hi Ibrahim, Yes, I suggested Text Pad. I said; A friend of mine says that he has also used Text Pad for writing code. It can even run the code right in the editor. Which is another reason that I like the VB6 IDE. Good luck. BFN Jim No one is listening until you fart. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BGT: any suggestion for a text editor.
Hi Gabriel, I have never seen Note Pad plus plus. It sounds pretty good. You know I do still like my VB6. Jaws will announce the lines and do some auto complete. Plus it will drop you on the line of code that caused the error. It will also immediately warn you of any syntax errors and other errors like that. This is how I am used to programming. Write some code and test run it by pressing the f5 key. But then again other than HTML code and batch files, I have never coded in anything other than a Basic language IDE. I definitely am not putting down BGT or anything like that though. I mean it has enabled allot of new people to try, and successfully create games and it is what I always recommend now to people who say that they want to try their hand at creating games. BFN Jim Computer programmers know how to use their hardware. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BGT: any suggestion for a text editor.
Hello Ibrahim. I've tried it but, in my opinion, it hasn't something special to make it as my choosen editor. I mean, it does its job but it has not features that help to write code more easily than Notepad or others editors do. Greetings. Gabriel. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Online uno game
HI. Hi. You can play uno online with the rs games client see http://audiogames.net/db.php?id=Rs+games+client Or the quentin C playroom http://audiogames.net/db.php?id=Quentin+C+playroom Also, there is bg uno for the pc which lets you play against the computer:http://audiogames.net/db.php?id=BG+Uno Btw, if you want to find out about audiogames generall, i'd recommend loking at www.audiogames.net which has a huge database of available accessible games, and the fantastic games list over at www.pcsgames.net. Hth. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: taylorarnd...@gmail.com To: Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 1:24 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Online uno game Is there blind accessible uno online Or for my iPhone Sent from my iPhone --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user
Actually tom the game is king of dragon pass. it has a page on www.audiogames.net. i'd also recommend the lost cities card game and the gamebooks from choiceofgames, though I've not tried many more myself yet since I've only just got my Iphone and a still in process of trying different gmaes out myself. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user
Hi, there are lots of good games for iOS. Try Lost cities, if you like playing cards. Gabriel. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] NEw games from spoonbill
I got this message this morning from ian hymphries of spoonbill games, six new games available including a couple that rather interest me particularly: Hi, You are receiving this email because you have previously requested a blind accessible game from Spoonbill Software. This is to announce the release of six new blind accessible games as follows: BG Poker Solitaire BG Cribbage Solitaire BG Spider Solitaire BG Pyramid Solitaire BG Nomination Whist BG Mine Sweeper If you would like to order one or more of these games, just reply to this email with a list of the games you would like to try. You can browse descriptions of all 26 blind accessible games on the Spoonbill Software website using the following link: www.spoonbillsoftware.com.au/bggames.htm If you do not want to receive further notifications when new games are released, or when upgrades to games you have previously ordered are announced, then please reply to this email and ask to be removed from my mailing list. Ian Humphreys Spoonbill Software Albany, Western Australia --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user
I got 2 games there last night Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2013, at 6:04 AM, Phil Vlasak phi...@bex.net wrote: Hi Taylor, I have a page of blind friendly iPhone games at, http://www.pcsgames.net/iPhoneGames.htm Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] alteraeon newbie connection problem
Hi, all, Yesterday, Janary 5, I installed the mush-z client. I’m trying to follow the instructions to connect but mush-z keeps telling me that the connection to alteraeon is closed. It said it timed out and there was an error connecting to 66.142.33.242 port 23. I don’t ujnderstand the port number because in the blind support section it mentions port 3002 or port 3010, but nowhere does it say anything about port 23. I am using NVDA on a Windows 7 64-bit computer. Why am I unable to connect? Thanks Allen --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] alteraeon newbie connection problem
Allen, You can't connect because the address is wrong. The second number should be 172, not 142. It would be best if you didn't use the number at all, and connected to 'alteraeon.com' instead. If we have to move the server again, the number will change. The port number doesn't really matter with the current version of mush-z. The blind ports have less ascii art on them, but since mush throws all of that away the port that you pick isn't real important. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Allen Maynard allen.j...@foxvalley.net wrote: Hi, all, Yesterday, Janary 5, I installed the mush-z client. I’m trying to follow the instructions to connect but mush-z keeps telling me that the connection to alteraeon is closed. It said it timed out and there was an error connecting to 66.142.33.242 port 23. I don’t ujnderstand the port number because in the blind support section it mentions port 3002 or port 3010, but nowhere does it say anything about port 23. I am using NVDA on a Windows 7 64-bit computer. Why am I unable to connect? Thanks Allen --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] altar Aeon area.
Keith, It's in the same mine, in an abandoned area. You have to go off the safe path through the mine to find it. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Keith ks.steinbac...@gmail.com wrote: is this the same area that the demon you have to talk to is in, or is it a differenet mine shaft? Or is it just an area in that mine shaft? Keith - Original Message - From: Rick twelvestring...@verizon.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] altar Aeon area. Thanks, I've been looking for that area for quite some time, I hope the quests are still there. On 1/5/2013 2:55 PM, Dennis Towne wrote: The actual imp mines area was turned into a treasure room/easter egg zone; all the objects are still there, but the mobs have been removed. You can access it by going into the abandoned mineshaft area of the Kentwig and Grumditch copper mine. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] alteraeon newbie connection problem
Speaking of mush-z, I can't get the jan 1st update. Anyone able to help? -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Towne Sent: 06 January 2013 17:52 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] alteraeon newbie connection problem Allen, You can't connect because the address is wrong. The second number should be 172, not 142. It would be best if you didn't use the number at all, and connected to 'alteraeon.com' instead. If we have to move the server again, the number will change. The port number doesn't really matter with the current version of mush-z. The blind ports have less ascii art on them, but since mush throws all of that away the port that you pick isn't real important. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Allen Maynard allen.j...@foxvalley.net wrote: Hi, all, Yesterday, Janary 5, I installed the mush-z client. I'm trying to follow the instructions to connect but mush-z keeps telling me that the connection to alteraeon is closed. It said it timed out and there was an error connecting to 66.142.33.242 port 23. I don't ujnderstand the port number because in the blind support section it mentions port 3002 or port 3010, but nowhere does it say anything about port 23. I am using NVDA on a Windows 7 64-bit computer. Why am I unable to connect? Thanks Allen --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/6013 - Release Date: 01/06/13 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] alteraeon newbie connection problem
Ben, Did you go to mush-z.com and download the new updater? Oriol changed the update server so it doesn't use dropbox anymore, so you have to get the new updater to get new versions. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk wrote: Speaking of mush-z, I can't get the jan 1st update. Anyone able to help? -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Towne Sent: 06 January 2013 17:52 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] alteraeon newbie connection problem Allen, You can't connect because the address is wrong. The second number should be 172, not 142. It would be best if you didn't use the number at all, and connected to 'alteraeon.com' instead. If we have to move the server again, the number will change. The port number doesn't really matter with the current version of mush-z. The blind ports have less ascii art on them, but since mush throws all of that away the port that you pick isn't real important. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Allen Maynard allen.j...@foxvalley.net wrote: Hi, all, Yesterday, Janary 5, I installed the mush-z client. I'm trying to follow the instructions to connect but mush-z keeps telling me that the connection to alteraeon is closed. It said it timed out and there was an error connecting to 66.142.33.242 port 23. I don't ujnderstand the port number because in the blind support section it mentions port 3002 or port 3010, but nowhere does it say anything about port 23. I am using NVDA on a Windows 7 64-bit computer. Why am I unable to connect? Thanks Allen --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/6013 - Release Date: 01/06/13 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] another problem connecting to alteraeon
Hi, all, I finally got the nvda plugin installed in the mush-z client. Now when I select alteraeon and then select the alteraeon.mcl file, I get a runtime error that seems to be dealing with the tts_nvda.xml file. Again, I am trying to play alteraeon on a Windows 7 64-bit system running NVDA version 2012.3 Thanks Allen --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] for java developpers - playing wav andmp3 sounds
Hi Felipe, Sorry, I don't know much about QuentinC's Java Sound API. However, as he is the author of that particular API he'd be the person to ask about it. My guess is it is probably a fairly easy to use API which does all the basics you are looking for because that would be the point of writing a wrapper library. I have, however, played around with the Java Sound API located in the Java JRE, and probably have some sample code floating around. I just need to find it.Its not too bad once you read all the documentation in the Java SE documentation on the Clip class etc. Cheers! On 1/6/13, Felipevr fvrlis...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you very much. your message was very clearly and usefull. To be sincere, this is my first project, so you can imagine that I'm just a little confuse - many ideas, some knowledge and idea about how to do and many another without it...hahahhaa. My (maybe utopian) idea is use the cross-plataform source from java and develop something that works fine with linux, windows or mac, if possible. For this, I'm trying to use the phonemic library to tts (without success antill now - I couldn't add it to my eclipse java project but I'm still trying). I'll look this apis that you said. I'm looking to the quentincsoundapi too, do you know something about this one? again, thank you for all. Best regards Felipe --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] [Developers] for java developpers - playing wavandmp3 sounds
Hi there, I suppose you haven't seen me around for quite a while. But yes, MP3 is not freeware. MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 Audio Layer III, more commonly referred to as MP3, is a patented encoding format for digital audio which uses a form of lossy data compression. It is a common audio format for consumer audio storage, as well as a de facto standard of digital audio compression for the transfer and playback of music on most digital audio players. MP3 is an audio-specific format that was designed by the Moving Picture Experts Group (MPEG) as part of its MPEG-1 standard and later extended in MPEG-2 standard. The first MPEG subgroup – Audio group was formed by several teams of engineers at Fraunhofer IIS, University of Hannover, ATT-Bell Labs, Thomson-Brandt, CCETT, and others. MPEG-1 Audio (MPEG-1 Part 3), which included MPEG-1 Audio Layer I, II and III was approved as a committee draft of ISO/IEC standard in 1991,[8][9] finalised in 1992 and published in 1993 (ISO/IEC 11172-3:1993). Backwards compatible MPEG-2 Audio (MPEG-2 Part 3) with additional bit rates and sample rates was published in 1995 (ISO/IEC 13818-3:1995). The use in MP3 of a lossy compression algorithm is designed to greatly reduce the amount of data required to represent the audio recording and still sound like a faithful reproduction of the original uncompressed audio for most listeners. An MP3 file that is created using the setting of 128 kbit/s will result in a file that is about 1/11 the size of the CD file created from the original audio source. An MP3 file can also be constructed at higher or lower bit rates, with higher or lower resulting quality. The compression works by reducing accuracy of certain parts of sound that are considered to be beyond the auditory resolution ability of most people. This method is commonly referred to as perceptual coding. It uses psychoacoustic models to discard or reduce precision of components less audible to human hearing, and then records the remaining information in an efficient manner. OGG uses the .ogg, .ogv, .oga, .ogx, .spx, and .opus extentions, so it is more flexable. Ogg is a free, open container format maintained by the Xiph.Org Foundation. The creators of the Ogg format state that it is unrestricted by software patents and is designed to provide for efficient streaming and manipulation of high quality digital multimedia. The Ogg container format can multiplex a number of independent streams for audio, video, text (such as subtitles), and metadata. In the Ogg multimedia framework, Theora provides a lossy video layer. The audio layer is most commonly provided by the music-oriented Vorbis format but other options include the human speech compression codec Speex, the lossless audio compression codec FLAC, and OggPCM. Before 2007, the .ogg filename extension was used for all files whose content used the Ogg container format. Since 2007, the Xiph.Org Foundation recommends that .ogg only be used for Ogg Vorbis audio files. The Xiph.Org Foundation decided to create a new set of file extensions and media types to describe different types of content such as .oga for audio only files, .ogv for video with or without sound (including Theora), and .ogx for multiplexed Ogg. As of August 4, 2011, the current version of the Xiph.Org Foundation's reference implementation, is libogg 1.3.0. Another version, libogg2, has been in development, but is awaiting a rewrite as of 2008. Both software libraries are free software, released under the new BSD license. Ogg reference implementation was separated from Vorbis on September 2, 2000. Because the format is free, and its reference implementation is not subject to restrictions associated with copyright, Ogg's various codecs have been incorporated into a number of different free and proprietary media players, both commercial and non-commercial, as well as portable media players and GPS receivers from different manufacturers. Waveform Audio File Format (WAVE, or more commonly known as WAV due to its filename extension), (also, but rarely, named, Audio for Windows is a Microsoft and IBM audio file format standard for storing an audio bitstream on PCs. It is an application of the Resource Interchange File Format (RIFF) bitstream format method for storing data in chunks, and thus is also close to the 8SVX and the AIFF format used on Amiga and Macintosh computers, respectively. It is the main format used on Windows systems for raw and typically uncompressed audio. The usual bitstream encoding is the linear pulse-code modulation (LPCM) format. It is also used on some linux, solaris, and Netware machines. I Think OGG, out of all 3, is the best. Even though they can be much bigger, the waveform audio file format can make setup applications, especially setups that have over 2000 sounds, be really large. Ogg compresses this into say 168 MB, but people are starting to use .wav, .mp3, or .wma, but they don't know
Re: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user
I Couldn't get GMA games to work on my phone I had to create an account In the Site wouldn't let me are you sure they're not Computer games Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dark, Thanks for the correction. I knew Legend of Dragon Pass sounded wrong, but for the life of me couldn't think of the correct name off the top of my head. However, the game is something encouraging me to buy an iPhone as it sounds like something I'd truly enjoy. On 1/6/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Actually tom the game is king of dragon pass. it has a page on www.audiogames.net. i'd also recommend the lost cities card game and the gamebooks from choiceofgames, though I've not tried many more myself yet since I've only just got my Iphone and a still in process of trying different gmaes out myself. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user
Hi Taylor, I don't know where you got the idea that GMA Games will play on your iPhone, but they are games for Windows not Apple iOS. They are computer games as you stated. :D Cheers! On 1/6/13, taylorarnd...@gmail.com taylorarnd...@gmail.com wrote: I Couldn't get GMA games to work on my phone I had to create an account In the Site wouldn't let me are you sure they're not Computer games Sent from my iPhone --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user
Well tom the game is amazingly complex and detailed and I'd highly recommend it, indeed it's one of the most complex rpg/stratogy games I've ever played since everything works as much through story as it does through pure resource management. For someone like yourself who appreciates mythology i think you'd really enjoy the game. Plus then there are others. Lost cities is a fun cardgame to play with people when you have time, and the choiceofgames play very well as gamebooks. I've not investigated too much else myself yet, but a lot more is around too. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] alteraeon newbie connection problem
It works a hell of a lot better. I think that is why I couldn't use the version of Mush z from the alter aeon page before. After a reinstall of windows, I had to reinstall mushz couldn't play my #1 favorite game until I found the copy that worked. Now, that is all fixed with not suing the drop box thing Keith - Original Message - From: Dennis Towne s...@xirr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] alteraeon newbie connection problem Ben, Did you go to mush-z.com and download the new updater? Oriol changed the update server so it doesn't use dropbox anymore, so you have to get the new updater to get new versions. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk wrote: Speaking of mush-z, I can't get the jan 1st update. Anyone able to help? -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Towne Sent: 06 January 2013 17:52 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] alteraeon newbie connection problem Allen, You can't connect because the address is wrong. The second number should be 172, not 142. It would be best if you didn't use the number at all, and connected to 'alteraeon.com' instead. If we have to move the server again, the number will change. The port number doesn't really matter with the current version of mush-z. The blind ports have less ascii art on them, but since mush throws all of that away the port that you pick isn't real important. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Allen Maynard allen.j...@foxvalley.net wrote: Hi, all, Yesterday, Janary 5, I installed the mush-z client. I'm trying to follow the instructions to connect but mush-z keeps telling me that the connection to alteraeon is closed. It said it timed out and there was an error connecting to 66.142.33.242 port 23. I don't ujnderstand the port number because in the blind support section it mentions port 3002 or port 3010, but nowhere does it say anything about port 23. I am using NVDA on a Windows 7 64-bit computer. Why am I unable to connect? Thanks Allen --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/6013 - Release Date: 01/06/13 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user
The iPhone 5 is slightly larger than the previous iPhones. From my experiences with touch screens, the iPhone is the most accessible and, due to the fact that more apps are accessible as well, we get what we pay for. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user Hi Dark, True enough. It all sounds good. The only problem for me is that the Apple iPhone 5 costs more than double the cost of a Google Nexus 4, and one thing I do not like about the iPhone is that the touchscreen is very small. The Nexus 4 has nearly double the room to move your fingers around which I find much more suited to my needs. So while the Apple iPhone seems to be the better option for games an Android solution like the Nexus 4 is the more cost effective solution for the VI user. I've had a bit of experience with my wife's Samsung Galaxy S3, and I find the accessibility on Ice Cream Sandwich acceptable for a VI user for handling the basics of web browsing with Firefox, managing contacts, doing texting, etc. I hear the Nexus 4, which comes with Jellybean 4.2, is even better yet so I'm strongly thinking of going for an Android phone just to save on the initial investment costs of an iPhone. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user
I don't usually chime in on these threads, but as an iPHone user and developer, I wanted to make a few points briefly. If you just want a phone, not a smart phone, then an Android phone might be the more cost effective option…but if you want to use your phone…as most people do…as a smart phone, then an Android phone is a terrible solution, at present, for a visually impaired person. The iPhone has a far greater number of higher quality apps with accessibility, and you will get far more out of your phone than you can hope to do so, at least at present, with the half-baked access available for Android. This will hopefully change in the future, but at present access on Android phone's cannot hold a candle to the iPhone. Also, the iPhone 5, as Charles pointed out, has a larger screen, but cost-wise, you also have the options of the iPhone 4S for $99, or the iPhone 4 for free with a two year contract in the US and many other countries. Both of those devices are excellent, especially for the price. Accessibility aside, compatibility across different Android devices is sketchy at best, and the Android marketplace is rattled with malware that one must contend with. Also, most Android phones can not be updated to the latest software. Compare this to the iPhone 3GS, released with VoiceOver in 2009, which can run iOS 6, the current version of the operating system. I don't believe there are *any* Android phones released in 2009 that can run Jelly Bean. Your cost-effectiveness goes out the window if you want to stay current with the software. You'll be needing a new phone every few months to a year. Hopefully, in time, these problem areas, including accessibility, will be ironed out on Android, but it is unlikely to be for the foreseeable future. The fact that Android is a choice at all is good. Competition is always a good thing, but I think that there are a lot of factors to consider, especially as visually impaired users, here. Just my two cents. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user Hi Dark, True enough. It all sounds good. The only problem for me is that the Apple iPhone 5 costs more than double the cost of a Google Nexus 4, and one thing I do not like about the iPhone is that the touchscreen is very small. The Nexus 4 has nearly double the room to move your fingers around which I find much more suited to my needs. So while the Apple iPhone seems to be the better option for games an Android solution like the Nexus 4 is the more cost effective solution for the VI user. I've had a bit of experience with my wife's Samsung Galaxy S3, and I find the accessibility on Ice Cream Sandwich acceptable for a VI user for handling the basics of web browsing with Firefox, managing contacts, doing texting, etc. I hear the Nexus 4, which comes with Jellybean 4.2, is even better yet so I'm strongly thinking of going for an Android phone just to save on the initial investment costs of an iPhone. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user
Agree with this message. And with the navigation features you have on your iphone, it isn't technically even necessary to use the entire screen. I can move to items, click on them by simply moving my fingers left and right and doing double tapping. But Thomas has a point... androids are definitely cost-effective. Just depends on what you want in the end. - Original Message - From: Draconis Entertainment gene...@draconisentertainment.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs,as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user I don't usually chime in on these threads, but as an iPHone user and developer, I wanted to make a few points briefly. If you just want a phone, not a smart phone, then an Android phone might be the more cost effective option…but if you want to use your phone…as most people do…as a smart phone, then an Android phone is a terrible solution, at present, for a visually impaired person. The iPhone has a far greater number of higher quality apps with accessibility, and you will get far more out of your phone than you can hope to do so, at least at present, with the half-baked access available for Android. This will hopefully change in the future, but at present access on Android phone's cannot hold a candle to the iPhone. Also, the iPhone 5, as Charles pointed out, has a larger screen, but cost-wise, you also have the options of the iPhone 4S for $99, or the iPhone 4 for free with a two year contract in the US and many other countries. Both of those devices are excellent, especially for the price. Accessibility aside, compatibility across different Android devices is sketchy at best, and the Android marketplace is rattled with malware that one must contend with. Also, most Android phones can not be updated to the latest software. Compare this to the iPhone 3GS, released with VoiceOver in 2009, which can run iOS 6, the current version of the operating system. I don't believe there are *any* Android phones released in 2009 that can run Jelly Bean. Your cost-effectiveness goes out the window if you want to stay current with the software. You'll be needing a new phone every few months to a year. Hopefully, in time, these problem areas, including accessibility, will be ironed out on Android, but it is unlikely to be for the foreseeable future. The fact that Android is a choice at all is good. Competition is always a good thing, but I think that there are a lot of factors to consider, especially as visually impaired users, here. Just my two cents. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user
Hi tom. Well as you know games were part of the reason I bought an Iphone 5 in the first place and I got a very good deal from my phone company. I don't have any problem with the screen size personally for brousing, texting etc, so I'd recommend it myself albeit that it does cost. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] another problem connecting to alteraeon
Hi, you don't need the NVDA plugin anymore. You just need a plugin called mushreader, which already should be installed. Best regards Sarah --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user
Another thing about the iPhones is that they will work for a visually impaired person right out of the box by quickly pressing one button 3 times in succession. The built-in screen reader, called Voice-Over, is now active. And here's a very, very, very important factor: The cost of this fully accessible device is the same whether you are sighted or totally blind. This is another reason that I am an iPhone fan; accessibility at the same price as for the sighted. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Draconis Entertainment gene...@draconisentertainment.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs,as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user I don't usually chime in on these threads, but as an iPHone user and developer, I wanted to make a few points briefly. If you just want a phone, not a smart phone, then an Android phone might be the more cost effective option…but if you want to use your phone…as most people do…as a smart phone, then an Android phone is a terrible solution, at present, for a visually impaired person. The iPhone has a far greater number of higher quality apps with accessibility, and you will get far more out of your phone than you can hope to do so, at least at present, with the half-baked access available for Android. This will hopefully change in the future, but at present access on Android phone's cannot hold a candle to the iPhone. Also, the iPhone 5, as Charles pointed out, has a larger screen, but cost-wise, you also have the options of the iPhone 4S for $99, or the iPhone 4 for free with a two year contract in the US and many other countries. Both of those devices are excellent, especially for the price. Accessibility aside, compatibility across different Android devices is sketchy at best, and the Android marketplace is rattled with malware that one must contend with. Also, most Android phones can not be updated to the latest software. Compare this to the iPhone 3GS, released with VoiceOver in 2009, which can run iOS 6, the current version of the operating system. I don't believe there are *any* Android phones released in 2009 that can run Jelly Bean. Your cost-effectiveness goes out the window if you want to stay current with the software. You'll be needing a new phone every few months to a year. Hopefully, in time, these problem areas, including accessibility, will be ironed out on Android, but it is unlikely to be for the foreseeable future. The fact that Android is a choice at all is good. Competition is always a good thing, but I think that there are a lot of factors to consider, especially as visually impaired users, here. Just my two cents. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user Hi Dark, True enough. It all sounds good. The only problem for me is that the Apple iPhone 5 costs more than double the cost of a Google Nexus 4, and one thing I do not like about the iPhone is that the touchscreen is very small. The Nexus 4 has nearly double the room to move your fingers around which I find much more suited to my needs. So while the Apple iPhone seems to be the better option for games an Android solution like the Nexus 4 is the more cost effective solution for the VI user. I've had a bit of experience with my wife's Samsung Galaxy S3, and I find the accessibility on Ice Cream Sandwich acceptable for a VI user for handling the basics of web browsing with Firefox, managing contacts, doing texting, etc. I hear the Nexus 4, which comes with Jellybean 4.2, is even better yet so I'm strongly thinking of going for an Android phone just to save on the initial investment costs of an iPhone. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __
Re: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user
Hi Thomas, I think if you get a contract then the phone is a lot cheaper. For example I got my iPhone 4s when it came out for like $200 or so, and it's a 16 gig. if you really wanted lots of music you may want the 32 gig or so, but even that was only like $300. In my case, however, I really only use my phone for apps, so only needed the 16 gig. Hth, -Michael. -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 10:05 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user Hi Dark, Yeah, well the cost is the big sticking point for me. personally. Tonight my wife and I were out at Wal-Mart getting a few items so I decided to look at the phones Verison had in their store and I can't see putting down $500 USD down on an iPhone 5 when I can get an Asuse Nexus 4 running Jellybean 4.2 for $238 which is less than half the cost with about the same features. Actually, as a software developer the Nexus has one advantage over the iPhone and that is that Droid OS is an open system meaning I can develop my own apps from my Windows PC and install them on my phone without having to purchase an Apple Mac, use their development kit for iOS, register my app with the Apple store, and all that other business just to write games and other apps for my smart phone. Google's Droid OS is basically the way to go for someone wanting to develop quick and inexpensive apps for a smart phone without having to sell your soul to Apple to write software for their proprietary devices. On 1/6/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. Well as you know games were part of the reason I bought an Iphone 5 in the first place and I got a very good deal from my phone company. I don't have any problem with the screen size personally for brousing, texting etc, so I'd recommend it myself albeit that it does cost. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user
Hi Charles, O.K. I know that many blind users are saying that Apple iOS is better than Google's Droid OS, and that may be true, but I have heard from people who have Nexus 4's that access on Jellybean is almost as good as iOS. So when you say the iPhone is the most accessible have you actually done a direct comparison with a new Droid phone running Jellybean or are basing your opinion against an older moddle like the Samsung Galaxy S3 which is still running Ice Cream Sandwich? I guess what I want to say is that are you speaking from personal experience or basing it on old information etc. I know a lot of iPhone users who have said Apple iOS and VO are much better than Droid OS and Talkback, but when I press them further for details it turns out they tried a phone running an older version of Talkback and Droid OS, or it was one that hasn't had all the accessible apps installed and ended up with a less than perfect experience. So basically I'd like to talk to someone who has personal experience with both phones and has a more or less neutral opinion on the subject rather than just giving me the party line that Apple iPhones are better, and end of discussion. Fact of the matter is I spent a bit of time talking to a Verison rep tonight, got to look at the Droid phones they had in the store, and got to try Jellybean out with Talkback and discovered accessibility was vastly improved over my wife's Samsong Galaxy S3, and based on that personal experience I would personally say a Droid phone running Jellybean is probably a good alternative to Apple iOS for a VI user. Although, my hands on experience is rather limited. So other than the lack of games is there anything major I won't get with a Droid phone that I could get with an Apple iPhone. I want to know if I am going to put out $500 or $600 for a new phone I better get something pretty major in exchange for paying double, almost triple, the cost of a Nexus which I could have for $238. On 1/6/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: The iPhone 5 is slightly larger than the previous iPhones. From my experiences with touch screens, the iPhone is the most accessible and, due to the fact that more apps are accessible as well, we get what we pay for. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user
Hi Charles, Good point, but it doesn't really cost you anything extra to get an Android phone running Talkback either. The Android phones my wife and I looked at tonight running Jellybean had Talk back on them, and all I needed help with was setting up Talkback so it doesn't cost anything extra to get an accessible Android phone. However, the one key setup of the accessibility on an iPhone is definitely a plus in its favor to consider. On 1/6/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about the iPhones is that they will work for a visually impaired person right out of the box by quickly pressing one button 3 times in succession. The built-in screen reader, called Voice-Over, is now active. And here's a very, very, very important factor: The cost of this fully accessible device is the same whether you are sighted or totally blind. This is another reason that I am an iPhone fan; accessibility at the same price as for the sighted. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user
Hi Josh, Thanks for the post. That is exactly the kind of educated message I wanted to see on this subject as I am about to turn in my old phone for a new one in the next few months and I'm torn between a Android phone or an iPhone. My principle use will be as a phone so it sounds like as a phone an Android phone would be well suited in that regard. However, as you pointed out since I will be forking over cash for the device I want something I can browse the web, read ebooks, listen to mp3s, and perhaps have a few games which means what I want is a smart phone, and in terms of smart phones the iPhone is the best all in one package. On 1/6/13, Draconis Entertainment gene...@draconisentertainment.com wrote: I don't usually chime in on these threads, but as an iPHone user and developer, I wanted to make a few points briefly. If you just want a phone, not a smart phone, then an Android phone might be the more cost effective option…but if you want to use your phone…as most people do…as a smart phone, then an Android phone is a terrible solution, at present, for a visually impaired person. The iPhone has a far greater number of higher quality apps with accessibility, and you will get far more out of your phone than you can hope to do so, at least at present, with the half-baked access available for Android. This will hopefully change in the future, but at present access on Android phone's cannot hold a candle to the iPhone. Also, the iPhone 5, as Charles pointed out, has a larger screen, but cost-wise, you also have the options of the iPhone 4S for $99, or the iPhone 4 for free with a two year contract in the US and many other countries. Both of those devices are excellent, especially for the price. Accessibility aside, compatibility across different Android devices is sketchy at best, and the Android marketplace is rattled with malware that one must contend with. Also, most Android phones can not be updated to the latest software. Compare this to the iPhone 3GS, released with VoiceOver in 2009, which can run iOS 6, the current version of the operating system. I don't believe there are *any* Android phones released in 2009 that can run Jelly Bean. Your cost-effectiveness goes out the window if you want to stay current with the software. You'll be needing a new phone every few months to a year. Hopefully, in time, these problem areas, including accessibility, will be ironed out on Android, but it is unlikely to be for the foreseeable future. The fact that Android is a choice at all is good. Competition is always a good thing, but I think that there are a lot of factors to consider, especially as visually impaired users, here. Just my two cents. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user Hi Dark, True enough. It all sounds good. The only problem for me is that the Apple iPhone 5 costs more than double the cost of a Google Nexus 4, and one thing I do not like about the iPhone is that the touchscreen is very small. The Nexus 4 has nearly double the room to move your fingers around which I find much more suited to my needs. So while the Apple iPhone seems to be the better option for games an Android solution like the Nexus 4 is the more cost effective solution for the VI user. I've had a bit of experience with my wife's Samsung Galaxy S3, and I find the accessibility on Ice Cream Sandwich acceptable for a VI user for handling the basics of web browsing with Firefox, managing contacts, doing texting, etc. I hear the Nexus 4, which comes with Jellybean 4.2, is even better yet so I'm strongly thinking of going for an Android phone just to save on the initial investment costs of an iPhone. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to
[Audyssey] Very sad today: not playing Alter Aeon any more was Re: alteraeon newbie connection problem
I have decided not to play alter aeon any more. I always run into the same problems of finding areas and I feel I am causing the people on gossip and other channels to lose patience with me. It saddens me though. Lindsay Cowell. -original message- Subject: Re: [Audyssey] alteraeon newbie connection problem From: Keith ks.steinbac...@gmail.com Date: 06/01/2013 9:57 pm It works a hell of a lot better. I think that is why I couldn't use the version of Mush z from the alter aeon page before. After a reinstall of windows, I had to reinstall mushz couldn't play my #1 favorite game until I found the copy that worked. Now, that is all fixed with not suing the drop box thing Keith - Original Message - From: Dennis Towne s...@xirr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] alteraeon newbie connection problem Ben, Did you go to mush-z.com and download the new updater? Oriol changed the update server so it doesn't use dropbox anymore, so you have to get the new updater to get new versions. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk wrote: Speaking of mush-z, I can't get the jan 1st update. Anyone able to help? -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Towne Sent: 06 January 2013 17:52 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] alteraeon newbie connection problem Allen, You can't connect because the address is wrong. The second number should be 172, not 142. It would be best if you didn't use the number at all, and connected to 'alteraeon.com' instead. If we have to move the server again, the number will change. The port number doesn't really matter with the current version of mush-z. The blind ports have less ascii art on them, but since mush throws all of that away the port that you pick isn't real important. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Allen Maynard allen.j...@foxvalley.net wrote: Hi, all, Yesterday, Janary 5, I installed the mush-z client. I'm trying to follow the instructions to connect but mush-z keeps telling me that the connection to alteraeon is closed. It said it timed out and there was an error connecting to 66.142.33.242 port 23. I don't ujnderstand the port number because in the blind support section it mentions port 3002 or port 3010, but nowhere does it say anything about port 23. I am using NVDA on a Windows 7 64-bit computer. Why am I unable to connect? Thanks Allen --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/6013 - Release Date: 01/06/13 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the
Re: [Audyssey] accessability costs, as usual - Re: Good iPhone games for Voiceover user
I couldn't agree more with this last post. Honestly, I haven't tried out Jellybean, though I'd like to do so, but when you compare the use of the iPhone by sighted individuals versus blind ones, with the same usage of an Android phone by sighted versus blind people, you find that the iPhone usage ratio is close to a 1:1 setup than the Android ratio. The difficulty is in quality control and accessibility concerns. google released Android as a chance at scooping up market shares. Essentially, it's free to implement, and they don't even really control a lot of content that's out there. this is in comparison to Apple, who released an exclusive device running proprietary software which they wrote, produced, and assembled. Furthermore, anyone who wants to develop for Apple products has to pay for it, and there's an approval process. This is highly different from the Google Android approach. Honestly, the problem I find is that with the iPhone I find plenty of inaccessible apps in the store but no inaccessible apps on the phone, and a good plenty of apps in the store are accessible. With Android phones, the experience I've heard, though it is second-hand from good friends, is that there are certain apps which are designed to be accessible. It is possible to browse the web in limited fashion, explore contacts, calculator, clock functions, and text messages, in a general way, it is similar, if not less than, a phone running, say, Windows Mobile 6.1 or 6.5 and Mobile Speak. Those phones are smartphones, but only technically so. If you want a basic phone, go with Android, because you'll get what you want, a phone with fully functioning address book, dial pad, and the like, but if you want to truly engage the smartness of the smartphone, go for the iDevice, because you'll be getting an experience which more closely parallels the experience had by your sighted colleagues, an experience which doesn't depend on specific apps developed for accessibility but depends on a wide range of apps whose development often encourages accessibility concerns simply by haing to be written that way. Sorry for the slightly rambling nature of this message, and good luck, no matter what your choice turns out to be. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 1/6/13, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Josh, Thanks for the post. That is exactly the kind of educated message I wanted to see on this subject as I am about to turn in my old phone for a new one in the next few months and I'm torn between a Android phone or an iPhone. My principle use will be as a phone so it sounds like as a phone an Android phone would be well suited in that regard. However, as you pointed out since I will be forking over cash for the device I want something I can browse the web, read ebooks, listen to mp3s, and perhaps have a few games which means what I want is a smart phone, and in terms of smart phones the iPhone is the best all in one package. On 1/6/13, Draconis Entertainment gene...@draconisentertainment.com wrote: I don't usually chime in on these threads, but as an iPHone user and developer, I wanted to make a few points briefly. If you just want a phone, not a smart phone, then an Android phone might be the more cost effective option…but if you want to use your phone…as most people do…as a smart phone, then an Android phone is a terrible solution, at present, for a visually impaired person. The iPhone has a far greater number of higher quality apps with accessibility, and you will get far more out of your phone than you can hope to do so, at least at present, with the half-baked access available for Android. This will hopefully change in the future, but at present access on Android phone's cannot hold a candle to the iPhone. Also, the iPhone 5, as Charles pointed out, has a larger screen, but cost-wise, you also have the options of the iPhone 4S for $99, or the iPhone 4 for free with a two year contract in the US and many other countries. Both of those devices are excellent, especially for the price. Accessibility aside, compatibility across different Android devices is sketchy at best, and the Android marketplace is rattled with malware that one must contend with. Also, most Android phones can not be updated to the latest software. Compare this to the iPhone 3GS, released with VoiceOver in 2009, which can run iOS 6, the current version of the operating system. I don't believe there are *any* Android phones released in 2009 that can run Jelly Bean. Your cost-effectiveness goes out the window if you want to stay current with the software. You'll be needing a new phone every few months to a year. Hopefully, in time, these problem areas, including accessibility, will be ironed out on Android, but it is unlikely to be for the foreseeable future. The fact that Android is a choice at all is good. Competition is always a good thing, but I think that there are a lot of factors to consider,
Re: [Audyssey] Good iPhone games for Voiceover user
I would say that the Droid OS being free to implement is a double edged sword. On one hand, I appreciate cheapness, or economy, as it is more politely phrased. On the other hand, someone willing to put forth the money to purchase the right to put an app on the app store, if nothing else, is more likely to take the time to do it and do it right. Honestly, this is one of the few things that I actually love about Apple, even while it irks me. Google on the whole, and Droid in particular, have grown very much in the vain of quantity over quality. I still like GMail, and I still prefer Google Search, but the quality in other areas is decreasing. I am convinced that Accessibility is, at best, a tertiary concern for Google, as opposed to it being at least Secondary for Apple. I'll put forth an example. Google wants people to use their services, whether or not they use an Android device. they put forth several apps for the iPhone, ranging from Search to Chrome to Maps to Drive. Many of these Apps have parallels on the iPhone already, though users with pre-existing Google accounts may want data or certain features associated with the account on their iPhone. Google Drive is much less accessible than the Dropbox app, which may be a poor example, because Dropbox is independently made, though it's still fairly poignant that the independent Dropbox service produces a better and more accessible app than does the multi-billion dollar Google corperation. Apple maps is somewhat inaccurate, according to reports, though I've never had any problems with it, but Google Maps is a disaster where accessibility is concerned. Apple Maps is beautiful. Why can't Google make their maps app as good? Why is it that only now, after quite a lot of clamor, that the Youtube app is accessible on the iPhone. I note, by the way, that it isn't accessible on Ice Cream Sandwich, though whether it is accessible on Jellybean is a question I can't easily answer. The only answer I can come two is two fold. Google is much less concerned with accessibility than is Apple. Also, much of what is implemented is free work from the community or work specific to device providers. the incredible variety in Android devices out there is great for the average consumer, but it throws a monkey wrench of epic proportions in the works for those with accessibility concerns. I want to make one more note to the list before I close the topic on the note of games, about which this list is primarily concerned. That note is this: The iPhone isn't technically accessible out of the box. The triple click to turn VoiceOver on should be implemented as standard, but it isn't. You'll need someone to help you turn it on the first time, but then you can go into settings, general, accessibility for yourself and set up triple click to turn on Voiceover if you want. Now, as for games, there are a wide variety of games on both IOS and DroidOS. In fact, many makers of games are deciding to push the envelope and make their products cross-platform. this is amazing, and it's let me play games with friends and family in a way I never expected. The fact is, a lot of games aren't going to be accessible either way, and the further fact is that I haven't tried out Android's accessibility features very extensively at all. I can, however, say with certainty that the iPhone isn't limited to games designed with accessibility in mind. it takes patience and a lack of fear of failure, but I suggest going into the App store, downloading what titles look interesting, and trying them out. If you don't like the result, you can delete the app from your phone, but a lot of things you wouldn't expect work pretty well, and a lot of developers on the app store are like those kind souls we have on this list, independent folks looking for user feedback. One of my favorite games, ErnCon, is pretty much a different experience now from when I first started playing it, all because of the fact that the developer was willing to listen to the feedback of myself and a few others. It's pretty common. Essentially, I want to advise whoever is making smartphone choices to do a lot of careful research and consideration. If you don't want a phone, consider a tablet. If you only want a phone that dials numbers and stores contacts, consider a phone other than IOS or DroidOS. If you want a smartphone or a tablet, consider what you want out of it, and don't buy anything unless you have put it through its paces. The iPad mini is a pretty neat little tablet that might do for someone looking to try out iOS in a small package without commitment, and there's always the iPod touch THird Generation and later, all of which don't vary too significantly from the iPhone, at least according to what I can see. As for Android devices, the devices are as varied as can be imagined. Try before you buy, and if it doesn't work now, maybe consider writing in a request to the manufacturer and/or to Google. Maybe if we bug them enough,
Re: [Audyssey] Very sad today: not playing Alter Aeon any more was Re: alteraeon newbie connection problem
Hi, I can understand where you're coming from, sometimes people on MUDs aren't exactly the most patient or kind. I've seen both types on alter. If you ever decide to start playing again, I would be more than willing to help you out if you're into grouping at all. My primary character is Gordan but I have a couple of lower level characters that I often use to assist people new to the game. I haven't been on much lately, but I've been considering getting back into the game given all the new changes. I hope you feel like playing again soon, Alter is one of the few muds out there that is actually fun and worth connecting to. -- From: lindsay_cow...@btinternet.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 10:13 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Very sad today: not playing Alter Aeon any more was Re: alteraeon newbie connection problem I have decided not to play alter aeon any more. I always run into the same problems of finding areas and I feel I am causing the people on gossip and other channels to lose patience with me. It saddens me though. Lindsay Cowell. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] for java developpers - playing wav andmp3 sounds
not to mention that ogg has 200kbps over the 320kbps limit mp3 does. The only reason I use mp3 is for music I get off itunes or opensource music. However, a lot are using flac which does get a bit big. ogg at full is quite big but still. At 08:10 PM 1/6/2013, you wrote: Hi, Well, that definitely gives me a clearer picture of what your aiming for. Before I get into the technical details of working with audio in Java I would like to point out that ogg might be a better choice than mp3. The reason I say that is I'm not sure if you are aware of this but mp3 is a copyrighted and proprietary format and if you intend to use it in a commercial game or similar you have to pay money to use the mp3 file format. That's one major reason many game developers etc are moving to ogg which has the same or better quality and is licensed under an open source license. The other reason I point out ogg is that many audio libraries are now supporting ogg and moving away from mp3 do to those same licensing issues. Now, one thing you did not indicate is what OS you are developing this game for. Windows, Mac, and Linux all have different audio APIs available to you so I'm going to be shooting in the dark on which API would be best for your specific needs here so I'll give you a list of pros and cons for each possibility. As of Java 1.4.2 and later Java ships with a basic sound API in the javax package that is well suited for most games. It can not handle compressed file types such as wma, mp3, or ogg, but for wav files its a decent enough API for what you want to do. Using the javax.sound.sampled.Clip class you can load sound clips, pan them, control gain, change pitch/frequency, and even handle some simple DSP effects like echo too. Besides shipping with the Java runtime environment it works out of the box with Windows, Mac, and Linux JRE implementations so its really the way to go for anyone wishing to write a cross-platform game using Java. If you need I can probably whip up some code samples to show you how to initialize the sound system and load and play a sound clip using the Java Sound API. Next is Joal which I've mentioned before. Joal is a Java wrapper for the OpenAL cross-platform library. The principle advantage of Joal is that you can write applications that have 5.1 and 7.1 surround sound audio, have 3d virtualization, as well as handle pitch, gain, and so forth using OpenAL. The downside here is that it looks like overkill for your application and OpenAL doesn't have a basic 2d pan control. Its all 3d audio or nothing. :D Another option is JSDL which is a Java wrapper for the SDL libraries. I don't know if it is actively being maintained, is up to date, but one thing JSDL can do for you is help you access SDL Mixer. SDL Mixer isn't a really advanced audio library but it is usually very simple to work with. It has basic 2d stereo panning, allows you to change the volume/gain of files, and supports a number of compressed file types such as ogg and mp3 as well as wav, aif, and so on. I've recently began using SDL Mixer in my own projects and the only disadvantage is that you can't change the pitch of files on the fly and it doesn't have many DSP effects. Otherwise its a decent audio library for a 2d side-scroller etc. Finally, there is FMOD Ex. This library is a commercial API so it may cost depending on weather or not you intend to use it commercially. The advantage here is FMOD has everything you could want including 2d stereo panning, 3d audio virtualization, ability to change the pitch and gain of the sounds, handles several audio formats such as mp3, ogg, wma, wav, aif, and has many built in DSP effects. If you are developing this game for Windows you can access FMOD via a standard com wrapper. If you are writing a game for Mac OS or Linux you will have to write a Java wrapper for FMOD using the Java native interface or hunt around for an existing wrapper. The only disadvantage to using FMOD I have ever found is that it is only free for free games. If you want to use it in a commercial game you will have to pay licensing fees. There are a lot of other options here besides those mentioned above but you'd probably have to dig up documentation for Java or write custom JNI wrappers for them as I don't know if there are any existing Java wrappers out there for them. So I decided to give you the most common options available for you. Cheers! On 1/5/13, Felipevr fvrlis...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks very much. Well, my real idea is develop a sidescroller audiogame, using three tracks. central, left e right (with this arrowkeys) to move and up-key to each step. in this fight game, problably with three or four weapon, maybe use some atributs - strength and dexterity for example - to define the results of commands. the sounds will be used to ambience sound, action song e, I want, background music. The itens or npc's can appears in any of this tracks, so, the sound need to move right, left or right
