Re: [Audyssey] Jim's NFL game.
Hi Michael Yes. I have went undefeated. Kenny Peyatt jr. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of michael barnes Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 6:49 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Jim's NFL game. Hello. I have been playing Jim's NFL game all this week. I was wondering if anyone has went undefeated in the game? I am currently playing as my Carolina Panthers and I am 6-0 in the season. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] does any one play jim kitchens football game.
Yes I play jim kitchen's football game. I am a big football fan. Kenny Peyatt jr. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 11:53 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] does any one play jim kitchens football game. Once in a while, although I like the baseball game better because I am more of a baseball fan than a football fan.. If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!! -Original Message- From: corey overton Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 9:23 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] does any one play jim kitchens football game. Hey just wondering if any one is playing jim kitchens football game. -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 3:20 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Help with Chillingham puzzle Stupidly enough you can't return the book until you need another book from the library, which is very weerd. If I remember rightly you need to use the candle with the camp fire in bill the hermit's camp to light it, and then it's perminantly lit. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: "loriduncan" <lori_dunca...@hotmail.com> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Help with Chillingham puzzle > Lol Dark, I did feel kind of sorry for him when he said about the folks in > chillingham laughing and making fun of him. I've figured out how to light > my candle, but do you know why the lady at the library won't accept the > overdue book back? She won't talk to me, how rude lol. > > From Lori. > > -Original Message- > From: dark > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 10:23 PM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Help with Chillingham puzzle > > The hermit puzzle didn't annoy me particularly, but I've never had a > problem > with simon games albeit I thought the hole business with his allergy to > perfume and the bean tin he spoke through felt a bit on the silly side. > > All the best, > > Dark. > - Original Message - > From: "loriduncan" <lori_dunca...@hotmail.com> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Help with Chillingham puzzle > > >> Hi Dark, I actually use the f5 cheat to get passed the boring bugs, as it >> does indeed take ages, but the most anoying puzzle has to be the hermit >> one, I've always found simon says type games childish. >> From Lori. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: dark >> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:11 PM >> To: Gamers Discussion list >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Help with Chillingham puzzle >> >> Hi Lori. >> >> Glad you found it. Odd you missed the desk first time. Unfortunately >> you'll >> probably pass the interesting bits fairly quickly and get stuck on the >> bug >> hunting, which takes up way! too much time. >> >> All the best, >> >> Dark. >> - Original Message - >> From: "loriduncan" <lori_dunca...@hotmail.com> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> >> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 11:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Help with Chillingham puzzle >> >> >>> Hi Dark, thanks, I got it now, though wierdly i didn't notice the desk >>> when I went in to the shop the first time. :) >>> >>> From Lori. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: dark >>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 9:54 AM >>> To: Gamers Discussion list >>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Help with Chillingham puzzle >>> >>> Hi Lori. >>> >>> If I remember rightly you need to examine the desk at the shop, then go >>> back >>> and examine the desk in lilly's house, ad you'll find the secret draw. >>> >>> Hth. >>> >>> Dark. >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "loriduncan" <lori_dunca...@hotmail.com> >>> To: <gamers@audyssey.org> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 11:43 PM >>> Subject: [Audyssey] Help with Chillingham puzzle >>> >>> >>>> Hi everyone, I know Bavisoft games has vanished never to be seen again, >>>> but I've been playing Chillingham over again, and I can't for the life >>>> of me figure out how to get the gun from Lilly's house. I've tried >>>> everything from inspecting the desk to using the desk and trunk, but
Re: [Audyssey] the future of this list and the audyssey domain.
Hi shane what about moving the list to groupsio? Kenny Peyatt jr. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shane Davidson Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 6:30 AM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] the future of this list and the audyssey domain. Hello all, When Thomas went into the hospital some month's ago I was tasked with moderation of this list, but the day-to-day operations and maintenance fees associated with keeping the list alive were still his responsibility. With his passing, it falls to me as the one that was in charge to decide next steps for this really really awesome list and how we wish to proceed from hear on out. But since their are so many members on this list, I look to you, the membership for your ideas and suggestions. Running a list of this size requires time, (of witch I have plenty of), and financial cost both for archive disk space, downloads that may be on audyssey and bandwidth for it all. SO I look forward to your suggestions and ideas. Sincerely, Shane Davidson --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] park boss:
Hi when you first creat your new park in park boss, how many rides and attractions should you first start out with? Kenny Peyatt --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] jim kitchen passes away:
Thats sad that we lost some one that loved creating computer games that are accessible for the blind, but I can try to help out with the NFL football game if I can get a hold of the source code. I wonder how I can get a hold of the source code? Kenny Peyatt --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines)
I prefer braille over some material things. For example: if I want to read something on the computer screen instead of using speech I connect my braille display to the computer or I braille it using a braille embosser. I know that braille displays and braille embossers can be really expensive, which is why some people prefer to read information using screen reading software. I have a index basic-d v4 embosser, and when I would send a document to the embosser, it sounded like a mixer, that you would use to mix food with. Kenny Peyatt On 6/20/2015 8:08 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Charles, Interesting you brought the subject up of preference for braille over electronic formats because it is one I think directly needs addressed. Main reason I feel it needs to be addressed is we have something of a generational gap here in this country and perhaps around the world. There are undoubtedly older blind people who grew up on braille, were taught to use it for anything and everything, and have a personal preference for braille materials when and where possible. Now, we have many younger blind people, particularly millennials, who favor technology over braille. Some will outright state braille is no longer relevant, and have abysmal to little braille literacy because they spend their day using their iPhone, iPad, PC or some other gadget which has replaced the use of braille in his or her life. In short, if someone were to go move forward with this informational campaign it might be better to offer more than one method of distribution or format. I can clearly see there are valid arguments for braille and also just as equally valid arguments for something else electronic. Not to mention we haven't even talked about large print which is necessary for those with low vision problems who don't read braille but do need large print etc. Cheers! On 6/19/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I would like to see such advertisements made available to blind people in formats other than electronic for a change. Although they may be few, there are people who prefer to do their own reading. There also may be people who don't use a computer, but would if something gets their interest. What made the computer gain popularity with businesses was a killer application--the Spreadsheet. Once their value was realized, we've never looked back. Gaming could be the killer application for the blind, and you've got to find out about the gaming field from somewhere. Maybe through a friend or something, but nothing beats reading about it unaided in any way, browsing a catalog or advertisement pamphlet at your own pace and leisure. Braille is the way to go. No machine is necessary. Read it yourself, just like anyone else at conventions does. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] embosser noise - Re: braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines)
You have a basic- d index braille embosser. Kenny Peyatt On 6/20/2015 12:02 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: Although it may seem odd, I don't recall. If anyone can tell from the panel layout description below, I can find a user's manual online? Thanks. There is a panel of buttons with braille abbreviations on them. At the far left, on is above of. Then a raised line to separate sections from each other. To the right, in the second section, is either ff or 66, then either h5 or hen, then no. The next column from top to bottom are dd and ss. The next column from top to bottom are re and zf. Next, from left to right, are r and m. Next column from top to bottom are #1 and (probably 10) or aj. Next, from left to right, are a, b, c, or 1, 2, 3. Finally from left to right are su, then slightly above and to the right is gr, then back even with su is it, and to the right and slightly below is va. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Josh K joshknnd1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] embosser noise - Re: braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) what kind of embosser do you have? follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 6/19/2015 9:15 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: Mine isn't nearly as loud as some of the others apparently are. And I've got it working after a bit of working with it this afternoon. When it's embossing, it sounds like it's ripping heavy paper, and I can't be on the phone in the same room with it, but it's OK if I go into the living room. I don't have carpet in this house,either. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Hi John, Yes, those braille embossers are very loud. Loud enough that when its running it is best to put it as far away as possible while it is running because it will drowned out the sound of anything you might be doing be it TV, radio, your favorite audio book, etc. As has been stated normal volume just won't cut it when one of those embossers are running. I remember a day when I was in college I had to prepare a speech for my communications class, and I set my embosser to brailing out my speech. Now, as has been stated those things are extraordinarily loud even under ordinary conditions. However, my dorm room happened to have no carpet on the floor, block walls, so things were going to echo like inside a cave in their. Add to the fact I was running a very loud obnoxious braille embosser it sounded like ten of those going at once in that room. The people living next door to me got pretty peeved at the noise so cranked their stereo up full blast. A few minutes later the guys in the other dorm next to mine turned their stereo up full blast and the sound was so earsplitting I decided to walk out and go eat lunch and when I came back the entire dorm floor was empty. Apparently everyone decided to go on holiday while my braille embosser was doing its brailing because two stereos were not quite enough to mask the sound of it embossing. LOL. Cheers! On 6/19/15, john jpcarnemo...@gmail.com wrote: Because we're way out in humor land: I think an afternoon's optimistic... to the point where if optimism were pennies, you'd be richer than Bill Gates. That of course presumes that you don't have six hands, three braillers and some super mutant ability that lets you type as fast as the mechanisms are physically capable of moving (its actually not that fast - its not easy, but you can actually get it to braille over existing stuff if you hit the keys quickly enough). I'm not quite sure what embosser you've got, but if I start using mine I'm going to move the computer for it into a nice basement room all by itself so I can actually have a chance of hearing anything else in the house. For those of you who haven't had the pleasure of listening to these things, they're loud enough to completely drown out conversations, unless you make an effort (we're not talking screaming here, but you're never getting away with normal volume). Finally, I'm not sure I'd be able to live with myself if I didn't throw a shout out to the stylus line! Nuff said - its two messages down if you missed it. p.s: This is meant entirely as humor - no insult to anyone was intended. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Dark, I'd just like to point out some misinformation in this post, and some misunderstandings about Mac and iOS. First, you said that iOS apps never have compatibility issues with iOS upgrades. This is definitely not the case. Several apps, including Solara (to bring this somewhat back to games) had some serious bugs running on IOS 7, and some apps were completely unusable until the developers released updates to fix compatibility. Second, if you're looking for an OS that places a high priority on backward compatibility, you're not going to get it from OS X. Apple is much more aggressive about discontinuing old API's and technologies and removing them than even Microsoft is. Allow me to illustrate this. In 2005, Apple switched from using the Power PC processor architecture to the Intel X86/X64 architecture used by Windows PC's. In order to provide backward-compatibility for PowerPC applications, Apple included a PpC emulator called Rosetta. The last PPC-compatible OS X version was 10.5, released in 2007. Version 10.6, released in 2009, was not compatible with PowerPC hardware, but stil supported Rosetta. However, the next version, released in 2011, removed Rosetta support. Let's say that, for example, BSC Games had written their software for Mac instead of Windows. If I'm not mistaken, Pipe 2 was last updated in February 2005, a few months before Apple announced the Intel transition. Within just six years, you would no longer be able to run the game on newer versions of the OS. You could just refuse to update to a newer OS, but once your machine broke, you'd have no choice but to hunt down parts on eBay or be forced to stop using any incompatible software. On 12/19/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well tom I don't really believe there's much else to say since for me, security isn't an issue due to fhtird party software and I'd rather run avg than have the harrassment of running windows 8 and a virtual xp system. maybe that's different for you. if microsoft of course hadn't mucked up compatiblity with vb6 applications and dos programs, well I'd be happy to upgrade even with relearning the interface, and indeed I imagine everyone else currently running xp would as well, so it's certain where the blaime for this situation belongs. This is actually one prime advantage Ios seems to have over windows since it doesn't break existing programs when upgrading, and is another reason I'd like to investigate the actual bennifits (if any), of mac as opposed to windows 7 since if I've got to run xp in a virtual machine anyway, well it doesn't make too much difference whether I use mac or windows. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi, Yes, I would definitely agree that Apple has always handled these transitions very well, much better than Microsoft. I think one reason for this is MS's large number of Enterprise customers. Enterprises tend to migrate to newer technologies extremely slowly, and I think this is holding MS back in many ways. There are several bugs in the Windows API that MS has left in because fixing them would break enterprise deployments of older software. I think Apple's relatively lower success in the enterprise is a good thing, as it allows them to evolve their products much more easily. On 12/19/13, Draconis i...@dracoent.com wrote: Hi Alex, Just adding a bit to your comments. Apple’s aggressive strategy regarding software upgrades tends to keep their platforms more robust and stable, but comes at the cost of some backward compatibility. That said, though, Apple has also made it extremely easy for developers to keep their software current, regardless of platform. Indeed, migrating from PPC to Intel was a painless transition for the vast majority of developers. Far more trivial than trying to upgrade VB6 apps, even under the best of circumstances. Much has been written, in fact, on just how good Apple has gotten at these kinds of technological transitions, and they get smoother and smoother as the years go by. So far, the major transitions have been: • OS Classic to OS X • Carbon to Cocoa • PPC to Intel • 32 bit to 64 bit Intel • 32 to 64 bit mobile I’m hoping that Microsoft will learn from its mistakes and adopt some similar strategies going forward. On Dec 19, 2013, at 12:41 PM, Alex Kenny alexkenn...@gmail.com wrote: Dark, I'd just like to point out some misinformation in this post, and some misunderstandings about Mac and iOS. First, you said that iOS apps never have compatibility issues with iOS upgrades. This is definitely not the case. Several apps, including Solara (to bring this somewhat back to games) had some serious bugs running on IOS 7, and some apps were completely unusable until the developers released updates to fix compatibility. Second, if you're looking for an OS that places a high priority on backward compatibility, you're not going to get it from OS X. Apple is much more aggressive about discontinuing old API's and technologies and removing them than even Microsoft is. Allow me to illustrate this. In 2005, Apple switched from using the Power PC processor architecture to the Intel X86/X64 architecture used by Windows PC's. In order to provide backward-compatibility for PowerPC applications, Apple included a PpC emulator called Rosetta. The last PPC-compatible OS X version was 10.5, released in 2007. Version 10.6, released in 2009, was not compatible with PowerPC hardware, but stil supported Rosetta. However, the next version, released in 2011, removed Rosetta support. Let's say that, for example, BSC Games had written their software for Mac instead of Windows. If I'm not mistaken, Pipe 2 was last updated in February 2005, a few months before Apple announced the Intel transition. Within just six years, you would no longer be able to run the game on newer versions of the OS. You could just refuse to update to a newer OS, but once your machine broke, you'd have no choice but to hunt down parts on eBay or be forced to stop using any incompatible software. On 12/19/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well tom I don't really believe there's much else to say since for me, security isn't an issue due to fhtird party software and I'd rather run avg than have the harrassment of running windows 8 and a virtual xp system. maybe that's different for you. if microsoft of course hadn't mucked up compatiblity with vb6 applications and dos programs, well I'd be happy to upgrade even with relearning the interface, and indeed I imagine everyone else currently running xp would as well, so it's certain where the blaime for this situation belongs. This is actually one prime advantage Ios seems to have over windows since it doesn't break existing programs when upgrading, and is another reason I'd like to investigate the actual bennifits (if any), of mac as opposed to windows 7 since if I've got to run xp in a virtual machine anyway, well it doesn't make too much difference whether I use mac or windows. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr
Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of First Person Shooters
I agree here as well. I also listen to professional wrestling, and there is wrestling involved. I once asked my cousin what the RKO was like, and he put the move on me, but didn't do it full force. Kenny Peyatt -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:38 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] professional wrestling - Re: The Psychology of First Person Shooters Hi Charles, Yes, I do see your point, but as I pointed out in professional wrestling there is both wrestling and a lot of the extra stuff you mentioned. The WWE is definitely one for having a lot of artistic stunt work such as throwing people through tables, people getting thrown from ladders, being beat over the head with steel chairs, the reff getting knocked out during a critical point in the match, and I agree that stuff is not wrestling. That stuff is just stunt work to keep the fans interested in the ongoing storyline. However, at the same time there is some very technical wrestling involved here which you seem to be ignoring. Every pro show I have ever watched has some basic wrestling such as reverse chinlocks, headlocks, arm drags, hip tosses, and so forth which are just as apart of an amateur match as a pro show. If that stuff is not wrestling then what is it? I guess it sounds to me you are making a case for all or nothing which I don't think it is that black and white. From what I am getting from your messages if pro wrestling is half wrestling and half stunt work then it is not wrestling. However, if you go to your local high school match which has no stunt work and 100% wrestling that is wrestling. That is just too black and white for me as I think there is a gray area here that you seem to be overlooking. Cheers! On 12/18/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: When I used to watch the wrestlers on TV, they would use something to cut the opponent, break chairs on heads, put the referee out of commission, and stuff like that. This is not wrestling. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] football:
Hi I am running windows 7 64 bit: and I was wondering what folder the games from kitchensinc.net goes in to? Kenny Peyatt --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] adventure at c:
Hi everybody. I just tried the adventure at c:-game and have a quession about the platforms there. For example, in my pictures-level I will losse my lifes at the point of the level there you should jump between platforms. I cannot land at hte point the knock-knock-knock sound are because I falling down. The time you are in the air is to short. Excuse me for my bad ecplanation but I hope someone maybee can understand it and give me a good answer. Best regards Kenny --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] adventure at c:
Hi, you can get the game at http://aac.myimpossiblelife.net/. Kenny - Original Message - From: Sarah Haake ti...@gmx.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] adventure at c: Hi Ken, I don't have a link right now, but this game has gotten an entry at audiogames.net a week or so ago, so you should find it there. Best regards Sarah --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Jim Kitchen's football error help
On 9/7/2012 10:49 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Sharon, If memory serves me correctly that particular error has to do with improperly entering the coach's name when prompted. Although, Jim kitchen would have a better handle on this particular issue. I've never experienced it myself on any computer running Windows 7 but I know others on this list have. Cheers! On 9/7/12, Sharon smac...@embarqmail.com wrote: Hi, I was wondering if anyone is having a runtime error when they play Jim Kitchen's football? When I start the game I can get as far as the kickoff of the ball to start the game, but then I get a runtime error '13' type mismatch. Any suggestions on how to solve this problem? I am running windows 7 64 bit. Thanks for any help. Sharon --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. The way I get around this is I run xp pro in a virtual machine to bypass the error. Kenny Peyatt --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Hi Dark, That's true, but that's mainly because the majority of situations in which backward-compatibility outside the slow-moving blindness market is enterprises. Most home users who buy a new computer use word processors, web browsers, email clients, and games. To elaborate on the games since this is a gaming list *grins*, most games now are either online or written in a modern programming language, so backward-compatibility with VB or other old technologies isn't a huge issue in the consumer market. On 12/12/11, john jpcarnemo...@comcast.net wrote: Problem with xp mode is that it only works on win7 pro or ultimate, no home premium users, which is most of what (at least as far as I know) is being sold in computer shops, using Best BUy Buy as my basis. - Original Message - From: Alex Kenny alexkenn...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:31:44 -0330 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Dark, Before you make that argument, you should probably do a bit of research. Windows 7 includes Windows XP mode, which is a licensed, virtual copy of Windows XP. This should solve any problems with software compatibility that might exist between the two operating systems. To answer your second point, that's great that you have a SNES and can play older games. However, I've never seen you post any messages to the list accusing Nintendo of not caring about their customers because you can't play GameCube or Wii games with your SNES. On 12/12/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Alex. But if microsoft care so much about customers, why don't they have any options to extend backwards compatibility of products? for instance a licenced microsoft virtual machine? Frankly, the reason they had to extend xp support is simply because vista was buggy as heck for several years and thus new xp machines were being bought as late as 2010. If microsoft had dropped support for what the majority of users use, people would go over to mac or other os and they'd lose sales. I don't really understand this business about technology moves move with it I repeat, I have my snes, which is now close to 20 years old. I keep it because I like the games on it. The fact that something is new technology has no real applicability to myself or probably to several other people as well if it doesn't actually let us do the things we want. A computer is afterall just a tool. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Alex Kenny alexkenn...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Dark, Again, I really think you're misrepresenting Microsoft here. Microsoft actually spends a huge amount of resources supporting older products. For example, one of the reasons Windows Vista was delayed as much as it was is because MS temporarily stopped its development in order to fix major security problems with Windows XP. If MS really behaved as you described, they would have just released Vista two years early and dropped XP. Instead, they've actually extended XP's support to 2014, ecause they understand that it's very popular. Of course, by then, XP will be 13 years old. Imagine running Windows 98 today. It wouldn't be a very pleasant experience. Technology moves on, and we need to at some point move along with it. If that's a problem, there are a few DOS operating systems that have been in development for several decades. Since unlike Windows, DOS operating systems are very simple, you shouldn't have too many bugs to worry about... I'm exaggerating here of course, but if that's the attitude most people had, we'd still be using teletype machines and command prompts. On 12/12/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Agreed William, this is just what I mean. As far as I've ever found out microsoft is frankly just concerned with their bank balance and don't give a dam about their customers accept as a statistic. And lets not get on to their production methods, what they pay the people who actually assemmble! pc parts or the like. The only reason I use windows is for convenience sinse most things run on it, which is I suspect why ninety percent of people do, not necessarily because I actually like microsoft at all. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Willem Venter dwill...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi dark. Microsoft only invests development time where they stand to gain or lose money. For the most part, even dropping support for vb was based on the fact that they were forcing developers to switch to vb.net so they could sell them
Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Hi Charles, The problem is that trying to maintain old software uses up a lot of resources and becomes very expensive. It is almost impossible to create bug-free software without expending huge amounts of software. NASA, for example, spends billions of dollars and countless months of testing to ensure that their software is bug-free. That's just not feesible with a piece of software as complex as an operating system. You might think Windows XP is stable and bug-free, but I can guarantee you that it's not and never will be. Every month, Microsoft releases several patches to fix problems, and when XP leaves support in 2014, 13 years after it was released, there will still be countless bugs that haven't been discovered. You could ask the question, why can't MS just keep supporting XP? Because by then, they'll be trying to support Windows Server 2003, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows Server 2008, Windows 8, Windows 8 Server, and the next version of Windows will be in development. They can't just keep supporting old operating systems forever, because eventually they'll be expending all their resources trying to support old code and trying to build new technologies on top of it. There's a reason Windows 9X was abandoned in favor of NT-based operating systems such as XP, and that's because those systems were no longer meeting peooples' needs and couldn't keep up with new technology. On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Sort of like paying for a whole bunch of benefits that are provided by a hotel that you won't be using, in case you did want to use them. That part I understand. But building a new one every 2 years or so and, after a time, closing the older one that is more popular and that no longer has plumbing or electrical problems, so that the customer must use the one that still has the bugs in it? That's what I don't like. If I have something that is stable and basically reliably bug free, why should I have to get the new one that is not? If they want to make more money, their product should be worth the cost we must pay. Service packs for XP were free of charge, and they fixed what we had to pay for, that was broke, to begin with. Windows 7 fixed the Vista bugs, and I think we had to pay for both? I might be wrong in that one, though. --- Security is not the absence of danger. It is the presence of the Lord. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi ?Charles, Well, let me answer your question with a question. How do you expect them to make money if they don't continually release upgrades? It sounds to me like your question is along the lines of if it ain't broke don't fix it. While it might seem like you are paying money to do the same old things with OS that takes more memory, more CPU power, etc but I don't think you are paying attention to features or upgrades that have been added to the operating system. Let's use Windows Explorer as a simple example here. Back in Windows 98 you could not burn cds or dvds through Windows Explorer. Beginning with Windows XP you could burn data cds and music cds directly from Windows Explorer. In Windows 7 you can burn data cds, music cds, data dvds, and make video dvds by burning avi and mpg files to dvd all through Windows Explorer. My point being that we can clearly see new features like this being added to each successive version of Windows Explorer. Its really not a case of the same thing different version as a lot of other Windows programs have undergone a similar evolution. Weather you use those new features or not is really beside the point. The way I read your message is Microsoft doesn't do anything new or different from one version of Windows to the next accept make the OS more bloated, more of a memory hog, and there is nothing to ever recommend upgrading. I suppose some of what you say has some truth to it, but as I said above I think its simply a case of not taking advantage of the features and updates that are there. For instance,in Windows 7 there are a number of gadgets, little applets, you can dock to your desktop to monitor stocks and other real time information. Well, obviously if you don't follow the stock market and don't use the stock ticker gadget that would seem like a pretty useless upgrade to you personally. However, I'm sure there are plenty of people who buy and trade stocks online who happen to use that little stock ticker gadget, and for them upgrading from Windows XP to Windows 7 would have features they find useful in trading stocks. My point being not everything Microsoft adds to the latest Windows release will be important to you personally and it may even seem like the same thing different version, but for someone like me its really
Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Hi Dark, Again, I really think you're misrepresenting Microsoft here. Microsoft actually spends a huge amount of resources supporting older products. For example, one of the reasons Windows Vista was delayed as much as it was is because MS temporarily stopped its development in order to fix major security problems with Windows XP. If MS really behaved as you described, they would have just released Vista two years early and dropped XP. Instead, they've actually extended XP's support to 2014, ecause they understand that it's very popular. Of course, by then, XP will be 13 years old. Imagine running Windows 98 today. It wouldn't be a very pleasant experience. Technology moves on, and we need to at some point move along with it. If that's a problem, there are a few DOS operating systems that have been in development for several decades. Since unlike Windows, DOS operating systems are very simple, you shouldn't have too many bugs to worry about... I'm exaggerating here of course, but if that's the attitude most people had, we'd still be using teletype machines and command prompts. On 12/12/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Agreed William, this is just what I mean. As far as I've ever found out microsoft is frankly just concerned with their bank balance and don't give a dam about their customers accept as a statistic. And lets not get on to their production methods, what they pay the people who actually assemmble! pc parts or the like. The only reason I use windows is for convenience sinse most things run on it, which is I suspect why ninety percent of people do, not necessarily because I actually like microsoft at all. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Willem Venter dwill...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi dark. Microsoft only invests development time where they stand to gain or lose money. For the most part, even dropping support for vb was based on the fact that they were forcing developers to switch to vb.net so they could sell them a new set of development tools. The basic programming syntax stayed the same, but they changed the developement libraries to not be the same as those used with vb6. They did improve the software with vb.net, but vb6 wasn't making them enough money to justify fixing the security wholes and bugs for vb6. Assisting developers or users of code to run a 10 year old program does not gain them much sales, so they will invest the development time somewhere else. This is also part of what drives the changes to the user interfaces. They tell their customers see it looks different, so it is new where as most of the code is reused over windows versions. I agree with those who said that for innovation to happen we need change, but change does not always indicate something better. On 12/12/11, Dallas O'Brien dallas-obr...@bigpond.com wrote: actually, the better codes, = better gaming possibilities. so yes, it makes a different. dallas On 12/12/2011 23:13, dark wrote: Frankly dallas where games are concerned, I couldn't give a monkies how good the newer codes are. As I said, I don't really care about how powerful or anything else a system is, I care about what I can do with it. That's why i stil have a snes, sinse I can play all the game i rather like on it, despite it being no where near up to the standard of todays games' consoles. As I said, I just would like microsoft to acknolidge this, perhaps with a compatibility pack option that could be downloaded for those who needed it. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be
Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Hi Dark, Before you make that argument, you should probably do a bit of research. Windows 7 includes Windows XP mode, which is a licensed, virtual copy of Windows XP. This should solve any problems with software compatibility that might exist between the two operating systems. To answer your second point, that's great that you have a SNES and can play older games. However, I've never seen you post any messages to the list accusing Nintendo of not caring about their customers because you can't play GameCube or Wii games with your SNES. On 12/12/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Alex. But if microsoft care so much about customers, why don't they have any options to extend backwards compatibility of products? for instance a licenced microsoft virtual machine? Frankly, the reason they had to extend xp support is simply because vista was buggy as heck for several years and thus new xp machines were being bought as late as 2010. If microsoft had dropped support for what the majority of users use, people would go over to mac or other os and they'd lose sales. I don't really understand this business about technology moves move with it I repeat, I have my snes, which is now close to 20 years old. I keep it because I like the games on it. The fact that something is new technology has no real applicability to myself or probably to several other people as well if it doesn't actually let us do the things we want. A computer is afterall just a tool. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Alex Kenny alexkenn...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Dark, Again, I really think you're misrepresenting Microsoft here. Microsoft actually spends a huge amount of resources supporting older products. For example, one of the reasons Windows Vista was delayed as much as it was is because MS temporarily stopped its development in order to fix major security problems with Windows XP. If MS really behaved as you described, they would have just released Vista two years early and dropped XP. Instead, they've actually extended XP's support to 2014, ecause they understand that it's very popular. Of course, by then, XP will be 13 years old. Imagine running Windows 98 today. It wouldn't be a very pleasant experience. Technology moves on, and we need to at some point move along with it. If that's a problem, there are a few DOS operating systems that have been in development for several decades. Since unlike Windows, DOS operating systems are very simple, you shouldn't have too many bugs to worry about... I'm exaggerating here of course, but if that's the attitude most people had, we'd still be using teletype machines and command prompts. On 12/12/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Agreed William, this is just what I mean. As far as I've ever found out microsoft is frankly just concerned with their bank balance and don't give a dam about their customers accept as a statistic. And lets not get on to their production methods, what they pay the people who actually assemmble! pc parts or the like. The only reason I use windows is for convenience sinse most things run on it, which is I suspect why ninety percent of people do, not necessarily because I actually like microsoft at all. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Willem Venter dwill...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi dark. Microsoft only invests development time where they stand to gain or lose money. For the most part, even dropping support for vb was based on the fact that they were forcing developers to switch to vb.net so they could sell them a new set of development tools. The basic programming syntax stayed the same, but they changed the developement libraries to not be the same as those used with vb6. They did improve the software with vb.net, but vb6 wasn't making them enough money to justify fixing the security wholes and bugs for vb6. Assisting developers or users of code to run a 10 year old program does not gain them much sales, so they will invest the development time somewhere else. This is also part of what drives the changes to the user interfaces. They tell their customers see it looks different, so it is new where as most of the code is reused over windows versions. I agree with those who said that for innovation to happen we need change, but change does not always indicate something better. On 12/12/11, Dallas O'Brien dallas-obr...@bigpond.com wrote: actually, the better codes, = better gaming possibilities. so yes, it makes a different. dallas On 12/12/2011 23:13, dark wrote: Frankly dallas where games are concerned, I couldn't give a monkies how good the newer codes are. As I said
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Hi Charles, While this has een brue in the past, Windows 7 used fewer system resources than did Vista, and Windows 8 will use even fewer, as it is being designed to run on tablets and even phones as well as PC's. No one is saying you must upgrade to new technology. However, as previously mentioned, Microsoft does go to great efforts to support their older technology, much more than companies like Apple or Google, so we're actually doing a lot better in terms fo Windows XP and VB support than we would if these products were in the hands of other tech companies. If you want to stick with old tech, fine. If you want to use older tech, that's fine. But it's not really fair to make baseless accusations when it's no longer being supported. To bring this back on topic, new technology such as XAudio2 and XNA will allow the creation of better accessible games. Games will continue getting more complex, and it will eventually get to the point where an old XP machine with an old Pentium and 256 MB of RAM just isn't going to be able to handle a multi-channel, 3D audio environment, and people will need to upgrade if they want to enjoy these games. On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Hi Charles, Yes, we should. Fortunately, even after VB support is removed from Windows, which won't be for several years at least, solutions such as virtual machines can still be used to play older games. On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: If we must upgrade in order to play the newer games, shouldn't we also be able to enjoy the games we've already spent money on? --- Security is not the absence of danger. It is the presence of the Lord. - Original Message - From: Alex Kenny alexkenn...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Charles, While this has een brue in the past, Windows 7 used fewer system resources than did Vista, and Windows 8 will use even fewer, as it is being designed to run on tablets and even phones as well as PC's. No one is saying you must upgrade to new technology. However, as previously mentioned, Microsoft does go to great efforts to support their older technology, much more than companies like Apple or Google, so we're actually doing a lot better in terms fo Windows XP and VB support than we would if these products were in the hands of other tech companies. If you want to stick with old tech, fine. If you want to use older tech, that's fine. But it's not really fair to make baseless accusations when it's no longer being supported. To bring this back on topic, new technology such as XAudio2 and XNA will allow the creation of better accessible games. Games will continue getting more complex, and it will eventually get to the point where an old XP machine with an old Pentium and 256 MB of RAM just isn't going to be able to handle a multi-channel, 3D audio environment, and people will need to upgrade if they want to enjoy these games. On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updatedLone Wolf
The difference between this situation and the digital TV one is that in the case of digital TV, all transmissions had to switch from analog to digital immediately. In the case of VB, Microsoft deprecated it about ten years ago. And Vb games will still continue to run at least until the version of windows after 8 is released, which won't be until 2015 at the earliest. That means there are still at least four years to make the transition, if it's true that VB applications won't even run under future versions of Windows. If it is, it will still be possible to play those games in a virtual machine. On 12/12/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: My point is that the main purpose of a computer is not to run the operating system, and we should not keep having to upgrade to keep up with modern technology in the form of a new operating system. Do you have to keep buying new cars because the engine requires it? There was a lot of flak when we had to buy new television sets in the United States because analog signals were being phased out and replaced with digital. Same idea. Sure, it might be better, but does that justify not even being able to still receive the lower quality signal if you chose to do so or because you couldn't afford the newer digital sets? Same idea. --- Security is not the absence of danger. It is the presence of the Lord. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updatedLone Wolf And you do sort of have to run the operating system to, what was your expression, do tasks. Smile. They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa! - Original Message - From: Trouble troub...@columbus.rr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new technology? Balogna! - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf Welcome to the wonderful world of computers! At 01:26 PM 12/12/2011, you wrote: Another thing about new technology--Microsoft's Windows in particular: I buy a computer to do tasks, not to run the operating system. If I have to buy a new PC because my old one doesn't have enough CPU power, it can't be loaded with enough RAM, the hardware isn't supported by the new OS, and I need to move along with technology, I will do so. However, 2 years down the road, before the bugs have been worked out of this OS I bought the new PC to be able to operate, Microsoft comes out with a new, more demanding OS. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Two years later, another one that is more demanding. Before I know it, thanks only to Microsoft, I have another obsolete computer. I need to buy another one to handle the new technology. This! is! crap! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to
Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
While I'm not usually the person who will jump to Microsoft's defense, I don't think it's really fair to say they were too lazy to bother adding VB compatibility. After all, Windows 8 will still run games written in VB, but I'm guessing it will require the same tweaks that Vista and 7 do, namely registering the DirectX 8 libraries. While MS will be breaking VB support partly to force people to remove .NET, another In 1998, most people were using Windows 9X, which is an entirely different OS architecture than even Windows XP. The older code or components get, the more difficult it is to keep them working as a product evolves, and the more potential problems it can cause. Off the top of my head, I can think of at least two major Windows security problems that were the result of code that had been in Windows for several decades, most likely to maintain backward-compatibility. While I agree that MS breaking VB compatibility is going to cause huge problems in the audio games community, there are certainly technical reasons why MS is doing it beyond laziness and forcing people to upgrade. On 12/11/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Phil. Out of interest were there any major gameplay changes associated with lone wolf version 4? while I see the point, frankly just because microsoft are too lazy to add backward compatibility into windows doesn't mean there won't be ways around, and in the case of vb applications it seems that there are already pretty solid ways of running them on windows 7, which is why developers like Jim and Aprone are writing games in vb 6 stil (and I don't mean the hole virtual system emulation mallarchy either). So personally, and not just because I'm stil running xp (my computer afterall can't last forever), I am rather more interested in what possible gameplay changes or additions version 4 might have, especially if it's being sold as a separate game. Then of course what about the 92 custom missions for the game? personally I'd be more in favour of David writing a sequal rather than a version upgrade to the game, with significant gameplay changes, and leaving lone wolf version 3 as the distinct lone wolf. beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Phil Vlasak p...@pcsgames.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 2:59 PM Subject: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Folks, I'm pasting a message from David about his games. - Original Message - From: GMAGames - David Greenwood davidgreenw...@rogers.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 2:27 PM Subject: [GMAGamesTalk] Re: Any plans for an updated Lone Wolf? Hi all, After reviewing my schedule and looking at what i have done, partially done, and what needs updates, I have decided to rewrite LoneWolf 4 from scratch. It is currently written in VB6 and it is getting the the point where it is a matter of just a couple of years before programs written in this language may not be supported. Matter of fact, the development environment no longer works in Windows 7, but if developed in Vista say, it will still run in Windows 7 and Windows 8, but Microsoft has said that it probably won't thereafter. What does this mean to you? Firstly, all the previous work on LW will be discarded, including original LW code and any changes I've made so far towards LW4 in VB6. This will extend the schedule out quite a bit. Next, due to the amount of work, LW4 will need to be purchased as a new game. If there is a credit for previous owners of the license, it would be small. In any event, LW3 will continue to be supported and key replacements will continue to be generated for people who do not upgrade. Regards, David Greenwood, davidgreenw...@gmagames.com http://www.GMAGames.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your
Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf
Hi, Actually, Microsoft goes to great lengths to ensure backward-compatibility, much more than many other tech companies. If Microsoft behaved like Apple, i can garuntee that you would not be able to run VB games on modern machines, because MS would have removed support from their OS as soon as they decided to stop supporting it. Take the Windows API, for example. It's been around since 1985, and in order to ensure compatibility, MS just continued to add functionality and hacks. Because of this, the API has become extremely bloated with some redundant functions and annoying limitations. In Windows 8, they've created a whole new API, but are still supporting the old Windows API, despite the fact that it probably adds incredible bloat and increases the complexity of the OS. Because of this, I have to disagree with you that MS doesn't care about backward-compatibility. They have many, many faults, but that's not one of them. There comes a time when backward-compatibility must be broken to allow for improvement. We had to say goodbye to the DOS command prompt, Windows 9X and 16-bit software. We will probably be saying goodbye to VB support as well. Of course, if Windows 8 is the last to support VB, you'll still have lots of time to upgrade, as Microsoft supports its operating systems for quite a while. On 12/11/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Alex. As I said I'm not annoyed that Microsoft update their os, they have to, even if we don't like some of their decisions on interfaces etc. it just seems though that they don't give a dam about running older programs, games or anything else, they just claime newer = better it seems without actually considdering what people want their computers for, namely to run programs. comador didn't do this with their os or machines, even with compltely new hardware, going from amigar 500 to 1200. Even the big console developers are realizing that people like running their old games, hence the wii virtual consoles, virtual arcade and other such software versions of older games stil available on modern machines. Microsoft though just seem to expect everyone to update, buy their products and cope, because newer is always better in their opinion. for myself, if i could be certain all my games and other applications would work under windows 7, I'd be much less wary about updating. I just see this as a case of not listening to the customer and doing their own dam thing and expecting everyone to cope simply because they are a big fat company who just care about the prophit. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] my beef about Microsoft - Re: plans for an updated Lone Wolf
While money is one motivating factor, one reason you can't just stop once you get a system that works is that, with something as complex as an operating system and the fallibility of programmers, it's almost impossible to get a system that does exactly what you want. Any operating system meant for modern desktop users has millions of lines of code, and there's bound to be quite a few mistakes. Another reason is that hardware and technology evolve. New hardware is created, better security solutions are created, and better ways of doing things in general. If MS had decided, after releasing Windows 98 that it was perfect and they were done, Windows would have died to be replaced by OS x or Linux, which support WiFi, Bluetooth and USB, which are just a few technologies that have developed since then. As for system resources, it is true that the jump between Windows XP and Vista was a hard one, because Vista requires much more CPU resources and emory. It's important to note though that Windows 7's requirements are identical to Vista, and Windows 8 will actually have lower requirements. I'm curious about the aversion to new technology that seems to be common in the blindness community. It's true that many in this community are on fixed incomes and can't always afford to upgrade, there seems to be an aversion to having to learn any new software interfaces, even when those new interfaces are perfectly accessible and come with an upgrade that they've purchased. This seems to occur even within assistive technology companies, which I suspect have a large responsibility for this. Older versions of JAWS used to recommend disabling Windows XP's features, and I remember listening to a Serotek podcast in which the developers of System Access were fawning over a product that disabled features in Windows 7. This is a bit puzzling to me, as all of those features were perfectly accessible. On 12/11/11, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Do they really have to continually upgrade the operating system and programs, making more power hogs, making us buy more powerful computers to do the same tasks we were previously doing but having to use more powerful processors and use more of the resources to do those tasks? Why can't they just leave well enough alone once they get a system that actually does what it's supposed to do? --- Security is not the absence of danger. It is the presence of the Lord. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] plans for an updated Lone Wolf Hi Alex. As I said I'm not annoyed that Microsoft update their os, they have to, even if we don't like some of their decisions on interfaces etc. it just seems though that they don't give a dam about running older programs, games or anything else, they just claime newer = better it seems without actually considdering what people want their computers for, namely to run programs. comador didn't do this with their os or machines, even with compltely new hardware, going from amigar 500 to 1200. Even the big console developers are realizing that people like running their old games, hence the wii virtual consoles, virtual arcade and other such software versions of older games stil available on modern machines. Microsoft though just seem to expect everyone to update, buy their products and cope, because newer is always better in their opinion. for myself, if i could be certain all my games and other applications would work under windows 7, I'd be much less wary about updating. I just see this as a case of not listening to the customer and doing their own dam thing and expecting everyone to cope simply because they are a big fat company who just care about the prophit. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to
[Audyssey] vm whare player:
Hi Thomas Thanks for the link. Kenny Peyatt --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] 7:running older programs on windows
Hi Thomas Where do I get the free vm whare player? Kenny Peyatt --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] football:
Hi I extracted the football game to the kitchensinc folder and when I run it in the kitchensinc menu I get a run time error 13 type miss match after I receive the kick. I ran the uinfoot.bat file then I re installed it in the kitchensinc folder and ran it from the kitchensinc menu and after I receive the kick off I still get the run- time error 13. Is there any vb run-time updates I can get for windows7? Kenny Peyatt --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] castaways:
Hi list I tried to download castaways but the webpage says it can't be found. Can some one please send me the download link? Kenny Peyatt --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] football:
Will the nfl football game have direct x keyboard imput as well? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] A sinceere apology:
Hi thomas. Welcome back. You do a good job at developing games. I want you to know that you are forgiven. Kenny Peyatt --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] vb6 run time files:
Hi can any one send me the vb 6 run time files? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] nfl football:
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Re: [Audyssey] Old Titles Removed
Hi, Whether or not the games are abandoned is not related to their copyright status. When code is abandoned, it does not at all mean that it is no longer copyrighted. For example, Windows 98, though now abandoned, is still copyrighted by Microsoft, and they have the right to decide how the code may be distributed. On 4/26/11, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Damien, I'm just curious. These games are abandoned, like several others. Yet there is no copyright on those. So why do we have to have a copyright on these? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Damien Pendleton Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 4:30 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Old Titles Removed Hi Alex, Precisely. I feel that these games are way below my current standard now, especially as regards bugs. So it's simple. I either recreate Danger City on popular demand and completely revamp it and commercialise it under a new name, but keep some of the concepts the same, or I transfer the rights to somebody else. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Alex Kenny alexkenn...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Old Titles Removed I'm not a developer, but I think there is a reason why a developer would choose not to allow older programs to be redistributed. As Damien has previously mentioned, these older titles were written in a deprecated language by amateur developers. The code is difficult to read, update, compile and run. I believe there is probably a reputation issue. Developers don't want buggy and useless code floating around the net that they wrote. True, Damien didn't write these games, but by purchasing them, the code is now his responsibility. Another reason I've heard for developers refusing to redistribute abandonware is that, even if they don't support it, people will still contact them expecting help. If Damien did allow the games to be distributed, I have no doubt that someone would download a copy somewhere, encounter a problem, and send Damien an email saying, Game X won't run! Help! Even if he emphasizes in the game documentation that the games are abandonware, we've all seen first-hand that many people in the blind community do not bother reading documentation or other information that's right in front of them. On 4/16/11, The Addictor kenwdow...@neo.rr.com wrote: Hey Tom, While I agree a hundred per cent, I still don't see why he's asking that no one else distribute the games. I have them all, as well as other games like Shell Shock. They are certainly not all that great, but to demand that nobody else distribute them seems a bit odd. I know they're his games, that he purchased them, but I don't see a reason for that. Ken Downey The Addictor www.TheAddictor.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Old Titles Removed
I'm not a developer, but I think there is a reason why a developer would choose not to allow older programs to be redistributed. As Damien has previously mentioned, these older titles were written in a deprecated language by amateur developers. The code is difficult to read, update, compile and run. I believe there is probably a reputation issue. Developers don't want buggy and useless code floating around the net that they wrote. True, Damien didn't write these games, but by purchasing them, the code is now his responsibility. Another reason I've heard for developers refusing to redistribute abandonware is that, even if they don't support it, people will still contact them expecting help. If Damien did allow the games to be distributed, I have no doubt that someone would download a copy somewhere, encounter a problem, and send Damien an email saying, Game X won't run! Help! Even if he emphasizes in the game documentation that the games are abandonware, we've all seen first-hand that many people in the blind community do not bother reading documentation or other information that's right in front of them. On 4/16/11, The Addictor kenwdow...@neo.rr.com wrote: Hey Tom, While I agree a hundred per cent, I still don't see why he's asking that no one else distribute the games. I have them all, as well as other games like Shell Shock. They are certainly not all that great, but to demand that nobody else distribute them seems a bit odd. I know they're his games, that he purchased them, but I don't see a reason for that. Ken Downey The Addictor www.TheAddictor.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
