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well if it was with this jaws system out I' buy the entire system but to be honest yeah a game for 150 not even a sighted game is like this. Now if leasy had its own console with games on it and such maybe I'd buy it. On 29/07/2015 1:37 p.m., Charles Rivard wrote: A suggestion: If the game is available as part of a package that really isn't usable to nonJAWS users, let people know that the game is available for, then list what it will cost people to get it. If I can get the game for $150, and I'm only using this as an example, I won't buy it. The game, which is all I am interested in, is not worth that price. The loss of sales is then Brian's problem and Brian's fault. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hi Tom. I've made a practice of not deleting games that were once available but currently are not from the db, sinse it's surprising how often old ones pop up, or in the cases of some games how people manage to acquire them anyway even if audiogames.net won't help people to do so unless the games are officially abandonware. Hence why the pages for the bsc titles and bavisoft games are still up. this is what the "unknown" license type is for, ie, we don't know what has become of the game. I will not therefore remove Q9's entry, but I won't advertise sleasy either, I will put a note to the effect the rights have been sold but the game is legally unavailable, sinse for most intents and purposes, it is. If this Brian Hartgen wants to contact me and discuss the problem, well I'll be glad to tell him what I think. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10325 - Release Date: 07/28/15 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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true, I agree even though I think it unfair I agree it makes sence. On 29/07/2015 1:08 p.m., Charles Rivard wrote: I'll bet that it has just the opposite effect. I, for one, would not buy his package in order to get the game. The game may be thought of as a bonus for those who buy, but I don't think it is enough of an incentive to boost package sales. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 Has a New Home Hi Dark, Not sure I'd go as far to call Brian Hartgen a moron since his reasons for not selling Q9 separately makes sense from a certain business point of view. As I understand it his entire purpose of acquiring the game was not to sell the game but to use it to add onto his Leasey product, to boost sales of Leasey, so seen from that perspective it makes sense. There is a lot that could be said here greedy, scummy, unfair, etc but the bottom line is he won't sell the game as a stand alone product because it was never his intention to do it that way. He is bundling it into his Leasey product and if you want it you have to pay the big bucks for Leasey. To be honest I don't think Brian Hartgen really thought about the ramifications of what this would do and how angry this would make the audio games community. He saw this as a simple business transaction, one in which would boost sales of Leasey, and he didn't care if it effectively took Q9 off the market. He is not a game developer per se, and thus he has no ties to the community the way many long time audio game developers do. So he just does not see it the same way we see it. To him Q9 is just another piece of software to be sold or added to Leasey rather than sold as a separately existing product. On 7/28/15, dark wrote: Well then he shal recieve my scorn for being a moron! Really, not selling something to people is a great way to run a business. Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10325 - Release Date: 07/28/15 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Well it all depends man on what you have I think. As a technology user I'd prefur to have the audio download because I don't have to pay for shipping of cds or braille material. Though I have recieved pamphlets in html and text to. On the other side I guess if I knew what the audio/ braille cost for postage I may actually go for the braille letter so I could keep it because I like that sort of thing. But its what you have. I wouldn't have robotic synths read the audio though a human voice maybe and with audio having reviews of various things yeah if I had to pay for that maybe. Though to be honest for us technos there are so many forums etc we really don't need the pamphlet, even the audyssey mag has sort of outlived its life though thats mostly because we have had so many stretches with it not producing that its no longer the big thing it was. Pluss there are to many indie devs out now. On 27/06/2015 7:56 a.m., dark wrote: Hi John. "audio cd" in synbth, even though listening to synths isn't my favourite option is what I was thinking, sinse again it's another format and I know there are programs that can easily create mp3 files from standard text. What I'd be tempted to do on the burning issue is burn a few copies, but also distribute the audio file to any organizations who habilitually make audio announcements on cd (such as the local society for the blind where my mum is), and let them handle reproduction. Obviously cds would be harder to produce as you said, but having a few kicking around that could be copied or listened to at conventions would have the same help in distribution methods as anything else. All the best, Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: "john" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (wasinfo games game engines) An audio cd would be surprisingly difficult to make hundreds of copies of. You can probably get the disks for $50 (ish), but you can only burn them one at a time, and each and every one would take at least 10 minutes of active work by the person doing the burning. I'm not saying that it'd be impossible, but that making audio cds as a primary form of distribution for the entire leaflet is probably not our best idea. Further, there'd also be the fact of narration - I know a lot of people who would not want to listen to what is essentially a glorified advertisement done by synthesizer. Therefore, we'd have to have somebody narrate the whole thing (professionally, not some internal mic with background hiss), and then somebody to edit that narration. The idea of an audiogames cd has its own merits - if we wanted, we could put together trailors of a number of different games and distribute them on the cd along with our introduction, but I think that such a project is a bit beyond the scope of what we're currently considering. -- From: "Danielle Ledet" Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 19:20 To: "Gamers Discussion list" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Braille and an audio CD. Simple. Large print readers are covered by an audio option. Done. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. . --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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What is this leaflet for dark. I may be interestted getting a coppy of it or any mag you did. I guess once you got it, the easiest way to smash this debate into the bground is to previde the costs per unit to produce in sertain formats. obviously audio/ documents would have to be hosted so could cost. cds I know are around 20 or so sents I know cases can be up to a dollar for a slim line case a paper envelope would be cheaper. Braille all depends. electronic is small but your basic print copy may cost and I am not sure. I think though in the end you would have to choose what you got it in.I'd ffor example be happy to get audio/html/ digital formats especially if it wasn't local to me. However I guess if a publication was released a lot like some reading material I had a little ago I guess I could go the braille rout so I would have something to look foreward for. On 27/06/2015 7:58 a.m., dark wrote: Hi Danielle. Actually, I am writing the leaflet right now, and hope to have it completed next week, after that we can go from there. All the best, Dark. There is always more to know, more to see, more to learn. The world is vast and wondrous strange and there are more things benieth the stars than even the archmaesters of the citadel can dream. - Original Message - From: "Danielle Ledet" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Well, I find it less than pleasant that our own folks are quick to do away with and shun Braille, like poof be gone, but oh the Gods up above if we don't accommodate those large print readin' gods and goddeses. What would it take for starters a whole afternoon or a few days of one's time to burn them?Then, we'd get an idea of time and have some way to gage cost of hiring a real professional. After all, Newsreel and Pawtracks didn't start out sounding like RCA or Cash Money or NLS studio quality. No one round hear is a stranger to elbow grease and just getting it done especially in the face of challenges and obstacles! Happy to do it!I realize some of us on heare do have check-paying jobs so And some of us have access to and the know-how to record a human reading so that it doesn't sound like a classroom recording or home cassette. Though that's not me. I was just trying to find a solid workable solution without counting out or disrespecting anyone's preferences. The real problem I'm having hear right now is a whole lotta talking and discussion and not enough action. A whole lot of what-ifs and not enough working lets-sees. At this point we have more than enough thrown out all options. Enough with the excuses for this or that! On 6/26/15, john wrote: An audio cd would be surprisingly difficult to make hundreds of copies of. You can probably get the disks for $50 (ish), but you can only burn them one at a time, and each and every one would take at least 10 minutes of active work by the person doing the burning. I'm not saying that it'd be impossible, but that making audio cds as a primary form of distribution for the entire leaflet is probably not our best idea. Further, there'd also be the fact of narration - I know a lot of people who would not want to listen to what is essentially a glorified advertisement done by synthesizer. Therefore, we'd have to have somebody narrate the whole thing (professionally, not some internal mic with background hiss), and then somebody to edit that narration. The idea of an audiogames cd has its own merits - if we wanted, we could put together trailors of a number of different games and distribute them on the cd along with our introduction, but I think that such a project is a bit beyond the scope of what we're currently considering. -- From: "Danielle Ledet" Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 19:20 To: "Gamers Discussion list" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Braille and an audio CD. Simple. Large print readers are covered by an audio option. Done. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.or
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It depends on how many cds you wanted to burn. It takes about 20-30 minutes to setup but once you have it all set, you can burn cds taking 10 minutes as long as your drive and processer are fast enough. And if you had the same thing on several units well. However I wouldn't suggest unless you hired a big company doing it all yourself for a large group, while I don't mind burning cds for myself by the time you set em up assuming its not an iso or a perminant project it can take 30 mins to an hour to get fully setup and burning a single disk. Now in that reguard if you had the material which I don't braille would be faster to produce once the files weere set up and all you'd need to do was supply paper every once in a while and then staple it together and send it. Mp3 cds or daisy cds would take just as long to burn though having an electronic braille or audio upload excluding cds fully would take less time probably. However I must confess I enjoy braille to read for a pamphlet, just about everything I get is a download or cd and sometimes I wish to read it but there you go. Its probably easier if you can afford it to produce braille for a large group if you are doing it yourself or from somewhere. Ofcause if you have the resources to produce audio or digital at high speed then I'd go for that or both if you could but it all depends what you have and how fast and for what size of a group. For a small group unless its changed braille may be costly to produce audio not so much. But that may change as I have been out the loop for a number of years On 27/06/2015 6:59 a.m., john wrote: I'd say at least a solid day of sitting at the computer - but I've only burnt a couple audio cds in my life, so somebody who does more of them would know better. I think we're almost certainly out of the realm of hiring somebody though, it'd probably cost thousands, which was exactly what we're trying to avoid by making this a community undertaking. I'd personally say that if we're going to do a cd, it'd probably be a better idea to do it only once we know what kind of reception we're going to get - that's a lot of work for an unknown reward. -- From: "Danielle Ledet" Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 13:46 To: "Gamers Discussion list" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Well, I find it less than pleasant that our own folks are quick to do away with and shun Braille, like poof be gone, but oh the Gods up above if we don't accommodate those large print readin' gods and goddeses. What would it take for starters a whole afternoon or a few days of one's time to burn them?Then, we'd get an idea of time and have some way to gage cost of hiring a real professional. After all, Newsreel and Pawtracks didn't start out sounding like RCA or Cash Money or NLS studio quality. No one round hear is a stranger to elbow grease and just getting it done especially in the face of challenges and obstacles! Happy to do it!I realize some of us on heare do have check-paying jobs so And some of us have access to and the know-how to record a human reading so that it doesn't sound like a classroom recording or home cassette. Though that's not me. I was just trying to find a solid workable solution without counting out or disrespecting anyone's preferences. The real problem I'm having hear right now is a whole lotta talking and discussion and not enough action. A whole lot of what-ifs and not enough working lets-sees. At this point we have more than enough thrown out all options. Enough with the excuses for this or that! On 6/26/15, john wrote: An audio cd would be surprisingly difficult to make hundreds of copies of. You can probably get the disks for $50 (ish), but you can only burn them one at a time, and each and every one would take at least 10 minutes of active work by the person doing the burning. I'm not saying that it'd be impossible, but that making audio cds as a primary form of distribution for the entire leaflet is probably not our best idea. Further, there'd also be the fact of narration - I know a lot of people who would not want to listen to what is essentially a glorified advertisement done by synthesizer. Therefore, we'd have to have somebody narrate the whole thing (professionally, not some internal mic with background hiss), and then somebody to edit that narration. The idea of an audiogames cd has its own merits - if we wanted, we could put together trailors of a number of different games and distribute them on the cd along with our introduction, but I think that such a project is a bit beyond the scope of what we're currently considering. -- From: "Danielle Ledet" Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 19:20 To: "Gamers Discussion list" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] braille/large print/other media for audio games (was info games game engines) Braille and
