Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge.
I never have heard those songs mentioned. I never knew of their existance. At 12:50 a.m. 6/10/2006, you wrote: >Hi, >That would be me. Space Invaders all the way. >Man it's been ages since I heard the Space Invaders song or Packman >Fevor on the radio. Wouldn't hurt the pop/rock stations to give us 80's >nurds some of our favorite classics again. >I was just a kid when those songs came out, and I use to crank the radio >up in my room when they were on, and of course I went around singing the >songs back then. >Everytime I got out packman or Space Invaders to put in my Atari unit I >would break out in to song. Grin. > > >Ken the Crazy wrotte: > > There ya go, Phil, another guy who knows the space invaders song--you can > > always tell the space invaders junkies! > > > > Ken Downey > > President > > DreamTechInteractive! > > > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge.
Hi, That would be me. Space Invaders all the way. Man it's been ages since I heard the Space Invaders song or Packman Fevor on the radio. Wouldn't hurt the pop/rock stations to give us 80's nurds some of our favorite classics again. I was just a kid when those songs came out, and I use to crank the radio up in my room when they were on, and of course I went around singing the songs back then. Everytime I got out packman or Space Invaders to put in my Atari unit I would break out in to song. Grin. Ken the Crazy wrotte: > There ya go, Phil, another guy who knows the space invaders song--you can > always tell the space invaders junkies! > > Ken Downey > President > DreamTechInteractive! > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge.
Hi Ken, That wasn't me but I do remember the buckner & garcia - Space Invaders. And I remember the DOS Space Invaders I did with you and Christina as the game voice. David Greenwood's needs one extra element to allow me to make a real Space Invaders game, the ability of monsters to be linked together in rows. That is also the missing element needed to do a Centipede game. smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: "Ken the Crazy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge. > There ya go, Phil, another guy who knows the space invaders song--you can > always tell the space invaders junkies! > > Ken Downey > President > DreamTechInteractive! > > And, > Coming soon, > Blind Comfort! > The pleasant way to get a massage--no staring, just caring. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge.
There ya go, Phil, another guy who knows the space invaders song--you can always tell the space invaders junkies! Ken Downey President DreamTechInteractive! And, Coming soon, Blind Comfort! The pleasant way to get a massage--no staring, just caring. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ken the Crazy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge. > Oh, Yeah. that would rock! There is currently nothing like the original > space invaders. > Many of the accessible clones are good, but they lack a few things such > as avoiding the bombs the invaders tried to drop on you. The three > walls/shields you could hide under, and the row upon row of descending > invaders. > Here is a cool invader hint. If you are playing space invaders classic > with a sighted friend put space invaders in invisible mode. The invaders > will appear and vanish from time to time. Chances are good you will get > higher points than your sighted partner. > My wife hates it when they vanish, and she cant see them while I blow > them away with impunity. Hahaha. > He's hooked! He's hooked! His brain is cooked! Space invaders! > > > > Ken the Crazy wrote: >> I would love to play space invaders--not spin-offs but the real >> thing--aliens coming down in rows--with the real sounds and >> everything--just >> made accessible. >> Ken Downey >> President >> DreamTechInteractive! >> > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.12/462 - Release Date: 10/3/2006 > > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge.
Hi, Interesting thing about Berserk was I loved to take the little guy and run him in to the electrified walls. Then ihe would get zapped. That was funner than playing the game sometimes. Yars Revenge was cool as well, but I don't think I played it much as my memories are a bit foggy on that game. Ron Schamerhorn wrote: > I'm thinking Atari force, Yars Revenge and Bezerk were some good titles as > well! Or perhaps Jungle Hunt? > > Ron Yay Atari 2600! > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge.
I'd have to look around, but i may still have copies of Jungle Hunt and Adventure around here somewhere. Ah,those were the days weren't they? Bryan Peterson wrote: > Yes! Jungle Hunt! That's another one I have. Actually the last level of > Hunter kinda reminded me of the first level of Jungle Hunt. It would've been > exactly the same except for the waterfall. Jungle Hunt didn't have a > waterfall. But Adventure was still one of my favorites. I've always liked > RPG type games like the Legend of Zelda series, and Adventure is widely > believed to be the precursor to those types of games. For those unfamiliar > with the game, you had three castles to explore, each with a resident > dragon. You had to find one key for each castle and a special sword for > killing the dragons. The idea was to get to one castle in particular, > recover the stolen chalice and return it to the first castle. On higher > difficulties there was a bat who would periodically fly by and steal > whatever item you had (you could only carry one at a time), and replace it > with another one. This usually happened right as you were about to enter a > castle. You had the proper key and then all of a sudden the bat would be > there, steal that key and replace it either with one of the other keys or > the sword. The fact that there wasn't a whole lot you could do about the bat > other than to try to wait for it to come by again and swap you for the right > key, it added to the challenge. Then of course there were the three dragons > who would roast you on sight, especially if you didn't have the sword. Oddly > enough, after the dragon got you you could move around in its belly. But the > coolest part was that if you killed a dragon and had to leave your sword in > order to get a key, you could leave the sword in the dragon's body and > they'd both still be there if and when you came back that way. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge.
Yes. That is for sure. I would kill for a really cool 3D flight sim. Of course, I have so many different projects right now I can't even think about one at the moment. Ken the Crazy wrote: > That's why we need a good flight sim--then everyone could play a rockin' 3d > game! > Ken Downey > President > DreamTechInteractive! > > And, > Coming soon, > Blind Comfort! > The pleasant way to get a massage--no staring, just caring. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge.
Oh, Yeah. that would rock! There is currently nothing like the original space invaders. Many of the accessible clones are good, but they lack a few things such as avoiding the bombs the invaders tried to drop on you. The three walls/shields you could hide under, and the row upon row of descending invaders. Here is a cool invader hint. If you are playing space invaders classic with a sighted friend put space invaders in invisible mode. The invaders will appear and vanish from time to time. Chances are good you will get higher points than your sighted partner. My wife hates it when they vanish, and she cant see them while I blow them away with impunity. Hahaha. He's hooked! He's hooked! His brain is cooked! Space invaders! Ken the Crazy wrote: > I would love to play space invaders--not spin-offs but the real > thing--aliens coming down in rows--with the real sounds and everything--just > made accessible. > Ken Downey > President > DreamTechInteractive! > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge.
I would love to play space invaders--not spin-offs but the real thing--aliens coming down in rows--with the real sounds and everything--just made accessible. Ken Downey President DreamTechInteractive! And, Coming soon, Blind Comfort! The pleasant way to get a massage--no staring, just caring. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge. > Hi, > I think for me while the Atari games were only 2D no 3D anything to them > they had huge appeal and replay value to them back then. They were fun > for many reasons. They didn't have stellar graphics and sound, but the > story lines and game play was fun. Which is the only thing that really > counts. > I guess what Michael is missing is some nostalgia. Allot of us never got > to play them, or did play the games and can not do it any longer do to > our blindness. > I use to sit for hours playing Defender, Combat, Pacman, Space Invaders, > UFO, Xaxon, and never got tired of them. I certainly would like to play > them again. > > > > Ron Schamerhorn wrote: >> Simply because even though it may not have all the bells and whistles of >> what current games could it's still a first or a fond memory to play. >> Somewhere along the line I missed Monty entirely with the Atari. But >> you >> can bet I'd have loads of fun playing some of the older type games. I >> think >> Tom's decision to keep the original was the correct one, since that is >> what >> many people wanted. At a future time it is good to see he will be >> working >> on more of a Tomb Raider styled game in 3d. >> Finally for some gamers here they have never played these games. >> >> Ron >> Audyssey Editor >> > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.11/460 - Release Date: 10/1/2006 > > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge.
Exactly. Ken Downey President DreamTechInteractive! And, Coming soon, Blind Comfort! The pleasant way to get a massage--no staring, just caring. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge. > Hi, > Glad I was able to bring clarification to the subject. What I mean by 3D > games and what the general accessible gamers think of 3D seams to be two > different things. They generally assume if audio is virtual 3D the game > is 3D. What I am usually talking about with 3D is a full environment. > As for Monkey Business I really think it is 2D with some areas being > simulated to seam like you are climbing. For example, the vines. It is > just another 2D plane with the axis being up down left right, rather > than up down, left right, forward and back. So since Monkey Business > vines are suppose to be climbing up technically you are just moving > forward or backward, but according to the game it says you are climbing. > Just some game developer ruse to make you think the direction has > changed when it is the same. > > > > > Neo wrote: >> I guess you're right. I was so used to think about current accessible >> games >> the way most blind gamers do that I didn't realize the real difference >> between virtual 3D audio and full 3D movement. Guess Monkey Business is >> the >> closest to full 3D but even this is not probably what you're looking for. >> Well I'm looking forward to full and cool 3D games you're dreaming of >> then. >> :-) >> Thanks, >> Lukas >> > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.11/460 - Release Date: 10/1/2006 > > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge.
That's why we need a good flight sim--then everyone could play a rockin' 3d game! Ken Downey President DreamTechInteractive! And, Coming soon, Blind Comfort! The pleasant way to get a massage--no staring, just caring. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge. > Hi Michael, > As to why there aren't many truly 3D games it could have several > answers. One could be complexity to write. They do tend to have slightly > higher math requirements for calculating vectors etc... Although, I > think most people had some of that in high school calculus. Another > explanation could be people just enjoy a 2D side-Scroller or perhaps the > game doesn't require full 3D environment. For example Shades of Doom and > Tank Commander don't really require a full 3D environment. They are > perfectly fine in a 2D plane. > > > > Michael Maslo wrote: >> That is what I am talking about. No games are out there for 3d games? >> None! >> >> How can that be bad? It can't be. It is going or would be awesome. >> Instead >> of getting to the 21st century we choose over and over again to stay in >> the >> past. >> >> Why? >> > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.11/460 - Release Date: 10/1/2006 > > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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What does Java 2 platform do with jaw's? Just wondering? ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge.
Yes! Jungle Hunt! That's another one I have. Actually the last level of Hunter kinda reminded me of the first level of Jungle Hunt. It would've been exactly the same except for the waterfall. Jungle Hunt didn't have a waterfall. But Adventure was still one of my favorites. I've always liked RPG type games like the Legend of Zelda series, and Adventure is widely believed to be the precursor to those types of games. For those unfamiliar with the game, you had three castles to explore, each with a resident dragon. You had to find one key for each castle and a special sword for killing the dragons. The idea was to get to one castle in particular, recover the stolen chalice and return it to the first castle. On higher difficulties there was a bat who would periodically fly by and steal whatever item you had (you could only carry one at a time), and replace it with another one. This usually happened right as you were about to enter a castle. You had the proper key and then all of a sudden the bat would be there, steal that key and replace it either with one of the other keys or the sword. The fact that there wasn't a whole lot you could do about the bat other than to try to wait for it to come by again and swap you for the right key, it added to the challenge. Then of course there were the three dragons who would roast you on sight, especially if you didn't have the sword. Oddly enough, after the dragon got you you could move around in its belly. But the coolest part was that if you killed a dragon and had to leave your sword in order to get a key, you could leave the sword in the dragon's body and they'd both still be there if and when you came back that way. It ain't pretty when the pretty leaves you with no place to go. >From: "Ron Schamerhorn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Gamers Discussion list >To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge. >Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:06:03 -0400 > >I'm thinking Atari force, Yars Revenge and Bezerk were some good titles as >well! Or perhaps Jungle Hunt? > >Ron Yay Atari 2600! > >- Original Message ----- >From: "Bryan Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 5:30 PM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge. > > >Ah, Defender. Actually that's one of the games I have on my Atari now. I >also have Pac-Man, SpaceInvaders, Combat and a whole bunch of others. One >that I'd like to see made accessible is Adventure. My brother used to play >that one and it used to drive me crazy when I'd try it and the dragon would >get me. > > > >It ain't pretty when the pretty leaves you with no place to go. > > > > > > >From: Thomas Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Gamers Discussion list > >To: Gamers Discussion list > >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge. > >Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:35:20 -0400 > > > >Hi, > >I think for me while the Atari games were only 2D no 3D anything to them > >they had huge appeal and replay value to them back then. They were fun > >for many reasons. They didn't have stellar graphics and sound, but the > >story lines and game play was fun. Which is the only thing that really > >counts. > >I guess what Michael is missing is some nostalgia. Allot of us never got > >to play them, or did play the games and can not do it any longer do to > >our blindness. > >I use to sit for hours playing Defender, Combat, Pacman, Space Invaders, > >UFO, Xaxon, and never got tired of them. I certainly would like to play > >them again. > > > > > > > >Ron Schamerhorn wrote: > > > Simply because even though it may not have all the bells and whistles >of > > > what current games could it's still a first or a fond memory to play. > > > Somewhere along the line I missed Monty entirely with the Atari. >But > >you > > > can bet I'd have loads of fun playing some of the older type games. I > >think > > > Tom's decision to keep the original was the correct one, since that is > >what > > > many people wanted. At a future time it is good to see he will be > >working > > > on more of a Tomb Raider styled game in 3d. > > > Finally for some gamers here they have never played these games. > > > > > > Ron > > > Audyssey Editor > > > > > > > > >___ > >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > >To unsubscribe send E-mail t
Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge.
I'm thinking Atari force, Yars Revenge and Bezerk were some good titles as well! Or perhaps Jungle Hunt? Ron Yay Atari 2600! - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge. Ah, Defender. Actually that's one of the games I have on my Atari now. I also have Pac-Man, SpaceInvaders, Combat and a whole bunch of others. One that I'd like to see made accessible is Adventure. My brother used to play that one and it used to drive me crazy when I'd try it and the dragon would get me. It ain't pretty when the pretty leaves you with no place to go. >From: Thomas Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Gamers Discussion list >To: Gamers Discussion list >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge. >Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:35:20 -0400 > >Hi, >I think for me while the Atari games were only 2D no 3D anything to them >they had huge appeal and replay value to them back then. They were fun >for many reasons. They didn't have stellar graphics and sound, but the >story lines and game play was fun. Which is the only thing that really >counts. >I guess what Michael is missing is some nostalgia. Allot of us never got >to play them, or did play the games and can not do it any longer do to >our blindness. >I use to sit for hours playing Defender, Combat, Pacman, Space Invaders, >UFO, Xaxon, and never got tired of them. I certainly would like to play >them again. > > > >Ron Schamerhorn wrote: > > Simply because even though it may not have all the bells and whistles of > > what current games could it's still a first or a fond memory to play. > > Somewhere along the line I missed Monty entirely with the Atari. But >you > > can bet I'd have loads of fun playing some of the older type games. I >think > > Tom's decision to keep the original was the correct one, since that is >what > > many people wanted. At a future time it is good to see he will be >working > > on more of a Tomb Raider styled game in 3d. > > Finally for some gamers here they have never played these games. > > > > Ron > > Audyssey Editor > > > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. _ The next generation of Search-say hello! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&FORM=WLMTAG ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge.
Ah, Defender. Actually that's one of the games I have on my Atari now. I also have Pac-Man, SpaceInvaders, Combat and a whole bunch of others. One that I'd like to see made accessible is Adventure. My brother used to play that one and it used to drive me crazy when I'd try it and the dragon would get me. It ain't pretty when the pretty leaves you with no place to go. From: Thomas Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Gamers Discussion list To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge. Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:35:20 -0400 Hi, I think for me while the Atari games were only 2D no 3D anything to them they had huge appeal and replay value to them back then. They were fun for many reasons. They didn't have stellar graphics and sound, but the story lines and game play was fun. Which is the only thing that really counts. I guess what Michael is missing is some nostalgia. Allot of us never got to play them, or did play the games and can not do it any longer do to our blindness. I use to sit for hours playing Defender, Combat, Pacman, Space Invaders, UFO, Xaxon, and never got tired of them. I certainly would like to play them again. Ron Schamerhorn wrote: > Simply because even though it may not have all the bells and whistles of > what current games could it's still a first or a fond memory to play. > Somewhere along the line I missed Monty entirely with the Atari. But you > can bet I'd have loads of fun playing some of the older type games. I think > Tom's decision to keep the original was the correct one, since that is what > many people wanted. At a future time it is good to see he will be working > on more of a Tomb Raider styled game in 3d. > Finally for some gamers here they have never played these games. > > Ron > Audyssey Editor > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. _ The next generation of Search—say hello! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&FORM=WLMTAG ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge.
Hi, I think for me while the Atari games were only 2D no 3D anything to them they had huge appeal and replay value to them back then. They were fun for many reasons. They didn't have stellar graphics and sound, but the story lines and game play was fun. Which is the only thing that really counts. I guess what Michael is missing is some nostalgia. Allot of us never got to play them, or did play the games and can not do it any longer do to our blindness. I use to sit for hours playing Defender, Combat, Pacman, Space Invaders, UFO, Xaxon, and never got tired of them. I certainly would like to play them again. Ron Schamerhorn wrote: > Simply because even though it may not have all the bells and whistles of > what current games could it's still a first or a fond memory to play. > Somewhere along the line I missed Monty entirely with the Atari. But you > can bet I'd have loads of fun playing some of the older type games. I think > Tom's decision to keep the original was the correct one, since that is what > many people wanted. At a future time it is good to see he will be working > on more of a Tomb Raider styled game in 3d. > Finally for some gamers here they have never played these games. > > Ron > Audyssey Editor > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge.
Simply because even though it may not have all the bells and whistles of what current games could it's still a first or a fond memory to play. Somewhere along the line I missed Monty entirely with the Atari. But you can bet I'd have loads of fun playing some of the older type games. I think Tom's decision to keep the original was the correct one, since that is what many people wanted. At a future time it is good to see he will be working on more of a Tomb Raider styled game in 3d. Finally for some gamers here they have never played these games. Ron Audyssey Editor - Original Message - From: "Michael Maslo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge. That is what I am talking about. No games are out there for 3d games? None! How can that be bad? It can't be. It is going or would be awesome. Instead of getting to the 21st century we choose over and over again to stay in the past. Why? ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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HI Tom, perfectly expressed. In fact, I've always dreamed of such an accessible game since I became aware of their existence. That's why I believe in you so much. Thanks, Lukas - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge. > Hi, > Now that I think about it Lonewolf comes closest to a 3D environment. It > does offer all the 3D directions and I believe many of the objects are > drawn in 3D. The only thing lacking in that game is a Virtual 3D > environment for sound. > However, as you were saying i don't think all the game devs are ignoring > the 3D game potential by choice. Some of it may be a lack of skill or > time to design one. > Writing a Invaders type clone with ships falling while you try to shoot > them before they land is totally different from how you would go about > writing a game in a 3D maze. > In the 3D maze concept you might be walking and come to a dead stop. > Stone walls in front, left, and right. You know it continues, but where? > Well, there might be an opening above you and let's say you find a way > to climb up there and squeeze through the hole. Suddenly, you are in a > chamber above the room you just left. Now, on this second floor you are > exploring, and come to another dead end. You find a hole in the floor > squeeze through, and drop down a level in the maze. > What I am describing is your normal walk forward and back, left and > right directions with additional climb up and descending directions. > You may have rooms to explore above and below you. That takes more math > and a bit of skill to know how to design a maze in 3D where you have to > climb up and descend in to them rather than simply pushing open a door > and walking in to the room. > I know from experience drawing the mazes using a 3D array is really > really tricky. You really need to be able to think of this and design it > in your mind and think of how it looks visually. At least I do. I don't > know if totally blind devs from birth can do the visualisation I use to > think of a maze in 3D. > > > > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hi, Now that I think about it Lonewolf comes closest to a 3D environment. It does offer all the 3D directions and I believe many of the objects are drawn in 3D. The only thing lacking in that game is a Virtual 3D environment for sound. However, as you were saying i don't think all the game devs are ignoring the 3D game potential by choice. Some of it may be a lack of skill or time to design one. Writing a Invaders type clone with ships falling while you try to shoot them before they land is totally different from how you would go about writing a game in a 3D maze. In the 3D maze concept you might be walking and come to a dead stop. Stone walls in front, left, and right. You know it continues, but where? Well, there might be an opening above you and let's say you find a way to climb up there and squeeze through the hole. Suddenly, you are in a chamber above the room you just left. Now, on this second floor you are exploring, and come to another dead end. You find a hole in the floor squeeze through, and drop down a level in the maze. What I am describing is your normal walk forward and back, left and right directions with additional climb up and descending directions. You may have rooms to explore above and below you. That takes more math and a bit of skill to know how to design a maze in 3D where you have to climb up and descend in to them rather than simply pushing open a door and walking in to the room. I know from experience drawing the mazes using a 3D array is really really tricky. You really need to be able to think of this and design it in your mind and think of how it looks visually. At least I do. I don't know if totally blind devs from birth can do the visualisation I use to think of a maze in 3D. Neo wrote: > Hi, > I don't think we really chose to do so. Instead, no game developer has had > enough motivation or creativity and imagination to create a fully 3D > environment, I think. The factor of time also plays an important role here. > I believe in Thomas thus. > Thanks, > Lukas > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hi, Glad I was able to bring clarification to the subject. What I mean by 3D games and what the general accessible gamers think of 3D seams to be two different things. They generally assume if audio is virtual 3D the game is 3D. What I am usually talking about with 3D is a full environment. As for Monkey Business I really think it is 2D with some areas being simulated to seam like you are climbing. For example, the vines. It is just another 2D plane with the axis being up down left right, rather than up down, left right, forward and back. So since Monkey Business vines are suppose to be climbing up technically you are just moving forward or backward, but according to the game it says you are climbing. Just some game developer ruse to make you think the direction has changed when it is the same. Neo wrote: > I guess you're right. I was so used to think about current accessible games > the way most blind gamers do that I didn't realize the real difference > between virtual 3D audio and full 3D movement. Guess Monkey Business is the > closest to full 3D but even this is not probably what you're looking for. > Well I'm looking forward to full and cool 3D games you're dreaming of then. > :-) > Thanks, > Lukas > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hi Michael, As to why there aren't many truly 3D games it could have several answers. One could be complexity to write. They do tend to have slightly higher math requirements for calculating vectors etc... Although, I think most people had some of that in high school calculus. Another explanation could be people just enjoy a 2D side-Scroller or perhaps the game doesn't require full 3D environment. For example Shades of Doom and Tank Commander don't really require a full 3D environment. They are perfectly fine in a 2D plane. Michael Maslo wrote: > That is what I am talking about. No games are out there for 3d games? None! > > How can that be bad? It can't be. It is going or would be awesome. Instead > of getting to the 21st century we choose over and over again to stay in the > past. > > Why? > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hi, I don't think we really chose to do so. Instead, no game developer has had enough motivation or creativity and imagination to create a fully 3D environment, I think. The factor of time also plays an important role here. I believe in Thomas thus. Thanks, Lukas - Original Message - From: "Michael Maslo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 5:27 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge. > That is what I am talking about. No games are out there for 3d games? > None! > > How can that be bad? It can't be. It is going or would be awesome. Instead > of getting to the 21st century we choose over and over again to stay in > the > past. > > Why? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Thomas Ward > Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 10:01 PM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge. > > Hi Lukas, > In your post you stated there have been several good 3D games for the > blind written. You mind naming me a few? To my knolege there are none in > the accessible games market. > Keep in mind that I am not talking virtual 3D audio. I am talking fully > 3d. That means you have six, I repeat six directions of movement > including: left, right, forward, back, up, and down. In other words > everything is drawn to true shape, skale, and you can move in any > direction a human can. > I have seen on this list people eroniously call Shades of Doom a 3D > game. While it has a virtual 3D audio emulation your movement is still > only 2D. You can move left, right, forward, and back. You do not have > any upward or downward motion. Such as having to jump up and catch a > rope and climb up it. You also cant jump down in to a pit and grab say a > gem, and them jump out on to the surface. > > > > Neo wrote: >> Why couldn't a side scroller have enough replay value? I tend to agree > with >> most folks here who are for the side scroller option. Although I love the > 3D >> concept a lot and this new Angela character reminds me of the famous Tomb >> Raider and my favourite Lara Croft so much, and although I don't have any >> real relation to the original (old) Montezuma's Revenge, I still prefer > the >> side scroller option cause there have already been several rather good >> and > >> complex 3D games while we have only one side scroller that's atractive >> and > >> funny, but it's still just one. :-) >> As most people said, when you release the original Monty as intended, you >> can do some 3D version later on if ya like. Just my thoughts. >> Thanks, >> Lukas >> > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > > __ Informace od NOD32 1.1454 (20060321) __ > > Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. > http://www.nod32.cz > > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge.
I guess you're right. I was so used to think about current accessible games the way most blind gamers do that I didn't realize the real difference between virtual 3D audio and full 3D movement. Guess Monkey Business is the closest to full 3D but even this is not probably what you're looking for. Well I'm looking forward to full and cool 3D games you're dreaming of then. :-) Thanks, Lukas - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 5:01 AM Subject: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge. > Hi Lukas, > In your post you stated there have been several good 3D games for the > blind written. You mind naming me a few? To my knolege there are none in > the accessible games market. > Keep in mind that I am not talking virtual 3D audio. I am talking fully > 3d. That means you have six, I repeat six directions of movement > including: left, right, forward, back, up, and down. In other words > everything is drawn to true shape, skale, and you can move in any > direction a human can. > I have seen on this list people eroniously call Shades of Doom a 3D > game. While it has a virtual 3D audio emulation your movement is still > only 2D. You can move left, right, forward, and back. You do not have > any upward or downward motion. Such as having to jump up and catch a > rope and climb up it. You also cant jump down in to a pit and grab say a > gem, and them jump out on to the surface. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge.
That is what I am talking about. No games are out there for 3d games? None! How can that be bad? It can't be. It is going or would be awesome. Instead of getting to the 21st century we choose over and over again to stay in the past. Why? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 10:01 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge. Hi Lukas, In your post you stated there have been several good 3D games for the blind written. You mind naming me a few? To my knolege there are none in the accessible games market. Keep in mind that I am not talking virtual 3D audio. I am talking fully 3d. That means you have six, I repeat six directions of movement including: left, right, forward, back, up, and down. In other words everything is drawn to true shape, skale, and you can move in any direction a human can. I have seen on this list people eroniously call Shades of Doom a 3D game. While it has a virtual 3D audio emulation your movement is still only 2D. You can move left, right, forward, and back. You do not have any upward or downward motion. Such as having to jump up and catch a rope and climb up it. You also cant jump down in to a pit and grab say a gem, and them jump out on to the surface. Neo wrote: > Why couldn't a side scroller have enough replay value? I tend to agree with > most folks here who are for the side scroller option. Although I love the 3D > concept a lot and this new Angela character reminds me of the famous Tomb > Raider and my favourite Lara Croft so much, and although I don't have any > real relation to the original (old) Montezuma's Revenge, I still prefer the > side scroller option cause there have already been several rather good and > complex 3D games while we have only one side scroller that's atractive and > funny, but it's still just one. :-) > As most people said, when you release the original Monty as intended, you > can do some 3D version later on if ya like. Just my thoughts. > Thanks, > Lukas > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
[Audyssey] 3D games was Thoughts about Montezuma's Revenge.
Hi Lukas, In your post you stated there have been several good 3D games for the blind written. You mind naming me a few? To my knolege there are none in the accessible games market. Keep in mind that I am not talking virtual 3D audio. I am talking fully 3d. That means you have six, I repeat six directions of movement including: left, right, forward, back, up, and down. In other words everything is drawn to true shape, skale, and you can move in any direction a human can. I have seen on this list people eroniously call Shades of Doom a 3D game. While it has a virtual 3D audio emulation your movement is still only 2D. You can move left, right, forward, and back. You do not have any upward or downward motion. Such as having to jump up and catch a rope and climb up it. You also cant jump down in to a pit and grab say a gem, and them jump out on to the surface. Neo wrote: > Why couldn't a side scroller have enough replay value? I tend to agree with > most folks here who are for the side scroller option. Although I love the 3D > concept a lot and this new Angela character reminds me of the famous Tomb > Raider and my favourite Lara Croft so much, and although I don't have any > real relation to the original (old) Montezuma's Revenge, I still prefer the > side scroller option cause there have already been several rather good and > complex 3D games while we have only one side scroller that's atractive and > funny, but it's still just one. :-) > As most people said, when you release the original Monty as intended, you > can do some 3D version later on if ya like. Just my thoughts. > Thanks, > Lukas > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
