Re: [Audyssey] narator is hmmm?
yeah, though apple clearly owned fs and other people, heck it even owns nvda. At 06:38 a.m. 4/04/2012 -0600, you wrote: I'm surprised FS didn't try to sue Apple over Voice Over. Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake Titicaca! -Original Message- From: Trouble Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 6:09 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] narator is hmmm? They did try and Microsoft let them know just who is boss in software. Nothing like being slapped by a billion dollar company! They couldn't do anything about it anyway or NVDA would have to go also. At 12:38 AM 4/4/2012, you wrote: To be honest trouble, its my view that fs and others, no especially fs would sue ms for taking their market if they actually made narator more than the crap that it is and always must be. In fact rumor has it that when they decided to do that in win2k fs did just that though its only a rumour. It doesn't help when other big and bad companies want to keep us spending 3000 pluss on their so called product. At 08:13 p.m. 3/04/2012 -0400, you wrote: FYI, have a listen, -Forwarded Message- From: John J Herzog [mailto:johnjher...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 1:12 AM Subject: windows 8 narrator, provides hype and not hope Hello everyone, I just completed a podcast explaining how narrator works in the new windows 8. Here is the link, and below are my opinions. I urge you to share this with every blind person you know, before our time to change things for the newest windows has passed. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15813782/windows%208%20narrator%20demo.mp3 Ok, now here are my thoughts. Long story short, Narrator is incredibly disappointing, and yet Microsoft is emphatically stating how great the upcoming accessibility will be on their developer blog. I am sending this podcast to all of you with the hopes that you will have ideas on how we can encourage blind consumers to pressure Microsoft to do better. It is clear to me that Microsoft is interested in nothing more than positive publicity for helping everybody out, yet does not want to put in the effort to give the blind a truly usable screen reader. Louis, narrator is no better in the consumer preview than it was in the developer version of windows released last September. Microsoft claims that over 10 changes were made from the first preview of windows to the current beta. And yet nothing was done for accessibility in that time. If we do not voice our disappointment as a community, then the final version of windows will likely not contain further accessibility improvements. To Marlaina and everybody else, you need to give this a listen to understand what Microsoft claims they are doing versus what they are actually doing. Scott, I know you were with me when I produced this tonight. However, I cannot find the link needed to submit this to the blind cool tech web site. Maybe one of you can get this posted to serotalk? If not, then I hope you all will share this with every other blind person you know. I normally don't get upset when things won't work as advertised. However, Microsoft really should know better than to produce such a flawed access solution. When better screen readers can be found in free operating systems such as Linux, there is a definite problem that needs to be addressed. And when they market accessibility, they really should have a product that stands up to the claim that it makes windows an inclusive operating system for everybody. I don't mean to rant, but give this a listen and let me know what you think. Thank you, John --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-arch
Re: [Audyssey] narator is hmmm?
International companies don't go after big companies or even real ones here in the USA. They went after GW Micro and lost with small one. At 08:38 AM 4/4/2012, you wrote: I'm surprised FS didn't try to sue Apple over Voice Over. Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake Titicaca! -Original Message- From: Trouble Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 6:09 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] narator is hmmm? They did try and Microsoft let them know just who is boss in software. Nothing like being slapped by a billion dollar company! They couldn't do anything about it anyway or NVDA would have to go also. At 12:38 AM 4/4/2012, you wrote: To be honest trouble, its my view that fs and others, no especially fs would sue ms for taking their market if they actually made narator more than the crap that it is and always must be. In fact rumor has it that when they decided to do that in win2k fs did just that though its only a rumour. It doesn't help when other big and bad companies want to keep us spending 3000 pluss on their so called product. At 08:13 p.m. 3/04/2012 -0400, you wrote: FYI, have a listen, -Forwarded Message- From: John J Herzog [mailto:johnjher...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 1:12 AM Subject: windows 8 narrator, provides hype and not hope Hello everyone, I just completed a podcast explaining how narrator works in the new windows 8. Here is the link, and below are my opinions. I urge you to share this with every blind person you know, before our time to change things for the newest windows has passed. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15813782/windows%208%20narrator%20demo.mp3 Ok, now here are my thoughts. Long story short, Narrator is incredibly disappointing, and yet Microsoft is emphatically stating how great the upcoming accessibility will be on their developer blog. I am sending this podcast to all of you with the hopes that you will have ideas on how we can encourage blind consumers to pressure Microsoft to do better. It is clear to me that Microsoft is interested in nothing more than positive publicity for helping everybody out, yet does not want to put in the effort to give the blind a truly usable screen reader. Louis, narrator is no better in the consumer preview than it was in the developer version of windows released last September. Microsoft claims that over 10 changes were made from the first preview of windows to the current beta. And yet nothing was done for accessibility in that time. If we do not voice our disappointment as a community, then the final version of windows will likely not contain further accessibility improvements. To Marlaina and everybody else, you need to give this a listen to understand what Microsoft claims they are doing versus what they are actually doing. Scott, I know you were with me when I produced this tonight. However, I cannot find the link needed to submit this to the blind cool tech web site. Maybe one of you can get this posted to serotalk? If not, then I hope you all will share this with every other blind person you know. I normally don't get upset when things won't work as advertised. However, Microsoft really should know better than to produce such a flawed access solution. When better screen readers can be found in free operating systems such as Linux, there is a definite problem that needs to be addressed. And when they market accessibility, they really should have a product that stands up to the claim that it makes windows an inclusive operating system for everybody. I don't mean to rant, but give this a listen and let me know what you think. Thank you, John --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archi
Re: [Audyssey] narator is hmmm?
I'm surprised FS didn't try to sue Apple over Voice Over. Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake Titicaca! -Original Message- From: Trouble Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 6:09 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] narator is hmmm? They did try and Microsoft let them know just who is boss in software. Nothing like being slapped by a billion dollar company! They couldn't do anything about it anyway or NVDA would have to go also. At 12:38 AM 4/4/2012, you wrote: To be honest trouble, its my view that fs and others, no especially fs would sue ms for taking their market if they actually made narator more than the crap that it is and always must be. In fact rumor has it that when they decided to do that in win2k fs did just that though its only a rumour. It doesn't help when other big and bad companies want to keep us spending 3000 pluss on their so called product. At 08:13 p.m. 3/04/2012 -0400, you wrote: FYI, have a listen, -Forwarded Message- From: John J Herzog [mailto:johnjher...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 1:12 AM Subject: windows 8 narrator, provides hype and not hope Hello everyone, I just completed a podcast explaining how narrator works in the new windows 8. Here is the link, and below are my opinions. I urge you to share this with every blind person you know, before our time to change things for the newest windows has passed. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15813782/windows%208%20narrator%20demo.mp3 Ok, now here are my thoughts. Long story short, Narrator is incredibly disappointing, and yet Microsoft is emphatically stating how great the upcoming accessibility will be on their developer blog. I am sending this podcast to all of you with the hopes that you will have ideas on how we can encourage blind consumers to pressure Microsoft to do better. It is clear to me that Microsoft is interested in nothing more than positive publicity for helping everybody out, yet does not want to put in the effort to give the blind a truly usable screen reader. Louis, narrator is no better in the consumer preview than it was in the developer version of windows released last September. Microsoft claims that over 10 changes were made from the first preview of windows to the current beta. And yet nothing was done for accessibility in that time. If we do not voice our disappointment as a community, then the final version of windows will likely not contain further accessibility improvements. To Marlaina and everybody else, you need to give this a listen to understand what Microsoft claims they are doing versus what they are actually doing. Scott, I know you were with me when I produced this tonight. However, I cannot find the link needed to submit this to the blind cool tech web site. Maybe one of you can get this posted to serotalk? If not, then I hope you all will share this with every other blind person you know. I normally don't get upset when things won't work as advertised. However, Microsoft really should know better than to produce such a flawed access solution. When better screen readers can be found in free operating systems such as Linux, there is a definite problem that needs to be addressed. And when they market accessibility, they really should have a product that stands up to the claim that it makes windows an inclusive operating system for everybody. I don't mean to rant, but give this a listen and let me know what you think. Thank you, John --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send
Re: [Audyssey] narator is hmmm?
They did try and Microsoft let them know just who is boss in software. Nothing like being slapped by a billion dollar company! They couldn't do anything about it anyway or NVDA would have to go also. At 12:38 AM 4/4/2012, you wrote: To be honest trouble, its my view that fs and others, no especially fs would sue ms for taking their market if they actually made narator more than the crap that it is and always must be. In fact rumor has it that when they decided to do that in win2k fs did just that though its only a rumour. It doesn't help when other big and bad companies want to keep us spending 3000 pluss on their so called product. At 08:13 p.m. 3/04/2012 -0400, you wrote: FYI, have a listen, -Forwarded Message- From: John J Herzog [mailto:johnjher...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 1:12 AM Subject: windows 8 narrator, provides hype and not hope Hello everyone, I just completed a podcast explaining how narrator works in the new windows 8. Here is the link, and below are my opinions. I urge you to share this with every blind person you know, before our time to change things for the newest windows has passed. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15813782/windows%208%20narrator%20demo.mp3 Ok, now here are my thoughts. Long story short, Narrator is incredibly disappointing, and yet Microsoft is emphatically stating how great the upcoming accessibility will be on their developer blog. I am sending this podcast to all of you with the hopes that you will have ideas on how we can encourage blind consumers to pressure Microsoft to do better. It is clear to me that Microsoft is interested in nothing more than positive publicity for helping everybody out, yet does not want to put in the effort to give the blind a truly usable screen reader. Louis, narrator is no better in the consumer preview than it was in the developer version of windows released last September. Microsoft claims that over 10 changes were made from the first preview of windows to the current beta. And yet nothing was done for accessibility in that time. If we do not voice our disappointment as a community, then the final version of windows will likely not contain further accessibility improvements. To Marlaina and everybody else, you need to give this a listen to understand what Microsoft claims they are doing versus what they are actually doing. Scott, I know you were with me when I produced this tonight. However, I cannot find the link needed to submit this to the blind cool tech web site. Maybe one of you can get this posted to serotalk? If not, then I hope you all will share this with every other blind person you know. I normally don't get upset when things won't work as advertised. However, Microsoft really should know better than to produce such a flawed access solution. When better screen readers can be found in free operating systems such as Linux, there is a definite problem that needs to be addressed. And when they market accessibility, they really should have a product that stands up to the claim that it makes windows an inclusive operating system for everybody. I don't mean to rant, but give this a listen and let me know what you think. Thank you, John --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] narator is hmmm?
To be honest trouble, its my view that fs and others, no especially fs would sue ms for taking their market if they actually made narator more than the crap that it is and always must be. In fact rumor has it that when they decided to do that in win2k fs did just that though its only a rumour. It doesn't help when other big and bad companies want to keep us spending 3000 pluss on their so called product. At 08:13 p.m. 3/04/2012 -0400, you wrote: FYI, have a listen, -Forwarded Message- From: John J Herzog [mailto:johnjher...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 1:12 AM Subject: windows 8 narrator, provides hype and not hope Hello everyone, I just completed a podcast explaining how narrator works in the new windows 8. Here is the link, and below are my opinions. I urge you to share this with every blind person you know, before our time to change things for the newest windows has passed. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15813782/windows%208%20narrator%20demo.mp3 Ok, now here are my thoughts. Long story short, Narrator is incredibly disappointing, and yet Microsoft is emphatically stating how great the upcoming accessibility will be on their developer blog. I am sending this podcast to all of you with the hopes that you will have ideas on how we can encourage blind consumers to pressure Microsoft to do better. It is clear to me that Microsoft is interested in nothing more than positive publicity for helping everybody out, yet does not want to put in the effort to give the blind a truly usable screen reader. Louis, narrator is no better in the consumer preview than it was in the developer version of windows released last September. Microsoft claims that over 10 changes were made from the first preview of windows to the current beta. And yet nothing was done for accessibility in that time. If we do not voice our disappointment as a community, then the final version of windows will likely not contain further accessibility improvements. To Marlaina and everybody else, you need to give this a listen to understand what Microsoft claims they are doing versus what they are actually doing. Scott, I know you were with me when I produced this tonight. However, I cannot find the link needed to submit this to the blind cool tech web site. Maybe one of you can get this posted to serotalk? If not, then I hope you all will share this with every other blind person you know. I normally don't get upset when things won't work as advertised. However, Microsoft really should know better than to produce such a flawed access solution. When better screen readers can be found in free operating systems such as Linux, there is a definite problem that needs to be addressed. And when they market accessibility, they really should have a product that stands up to the claim that it makes windows an inclusive operating system for everybody. I don't mean to rant, but give this a listen and let me know what you think. Thank you, John --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
