Re: [Audyssey] For those using Dropbox on older computers

[Shaun Everiss]

You know I really wouldn't mind getting some interface chooser, and 
choosing your interface like a shell you would run over your windows core.
It would mean those that wanted a windows 7 full interface could 
continue to use it and those that wanted xp and older could use the same 
interface while insuring the engine worked as before.
Ofcause you would loose some features but you could switch to whatever 
you wanted on the fly like in linux with different terminals.




On 27/04/2016 11:57 a.m., john wrote:

This message demonstrates your lack of practical knowledge of the field
quite plainly.
Xp was abandoned for numerous valid reasons, and just because you think its
stable doesn't necessarily mean its fit for service for even most users, let
alone business or government settings.
I have a windows 98 machine. It works great, as such things go. Its got
office, JFW7, USB drivers (though that took some work), and runs like a
charm. I could even use it to get some work done, were I so inclined.
Unfortunately, if I connect that machine to the internet, it would be pretty
much instantly infected with all kinds of viruses and other nasty software,
because, quite simply, windows 98 is, and has been, insecure for a
tremendously long period of time.
The exact same principle applies to xp. Just because windows xp is capable
of running a particular piece of software, does not mean that its capable of
doing it in a fashion that the vast majority of computer users would
consider proper. Furthermore, windows xp lacks support for more modern
hardware configurations (you're most likely limited to 3.2gb of ram, for
example, whereas this 2011 laptop I'm writing on right now has 8, and the
numbers are only rising).
Windows xp was abandoned because it is incapable of moving forward into the
future of computers, and newer operating systems are. It was abandoned
because there's only so many times you can patch up a leak or rig a damaged
engine before it gives up completely.
This is not the first time this issue has come up on list, and every time,
we receive the exact same responses. Before you post next time, please do
some research of your own so you don't come across as utterly clueless about
the subjects you're discussing. If you can provide some evidence to back up
your points, you might make headway in convincing the rest of us. As it is
however, you're ranting does nothing but make you look foolish.

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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] For those using Dropbox on older computers

The only reason it isn't supported is because Microsoft quit supporting it.
Otherwise, it would still be a stable and reliable platform for those who
must rely on screen readers.




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From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 4:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] For those using Dropbox on older computers

Well to be honest xp is unsupported, it may be good for olderoffline use
and some older programs.
But xp will continue until it is not viable for others to use or develop it.
Its not safe really to run xp on the net or any network anymore anyway.
So even if you are a heavy xp user you will need a modern something to
continue to use it via clients.



On 26/04/2016 11:16 p.m., Karl Belanger wrote:

Hi all,

As some people use Dropbox for sharing betas and other game related things
I
felt this was relevant to the list. Over the summer Dropbox will be ending
desktop support for Windows XP computers. On June 26, you will no longer
be
able to download the desktop app on windows xp or create an account with
it.
Then, on August 29, Dropbox will sign all XP users out of the desktop app
and they will no longer be able to sign in from that system. The account
will still be accessible from the online site or other devices.

Here is the page on dropbox.com with more info:

https://www.dropbox.com/help/9227

Karl

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Re: [Audyssey] For those using Dropbox on older computers

[Scott Chesworth]

s because the producers
>
> of hardware and software and web sites are forcing us to do so by making
> their sites and products unaccessible with what we choose to continue using
>
> and which we are comfortable and familiar with.  For instance, in order to
> use Microsoft's Windows 10, which has a web browser that is not able to be
> used with screen readers, you need the latest version of JAWS, which some
> people cannot afford.  I would rather stay with what works than forage into
>
> what isn't as reliable and dependable.  Apple, on the other hand, allows
> older technology such as iPhones to work with even the newest firmware.  The
>
> 4S will be phased out, but it has been around, and it still works with the
> latest firmware update.  Why don't others follow the same philosophy?  They
>
> would keep their share of the market, and probably even increase their
> customer base if they did.
>
>
>
>
>
> If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
> -Original Message-
> From: Stephen
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 8:43 AM
> To: Gamers Discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] For those using Dropbox on older computers
>
> That's annoying
> At 09:16 PM 4/26/2016, you wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>
>>As some people use Dropbox for sharing betas and other game related things
>>
>>I
>>felt this was relevant to the list. Over the summer Dropbox will be ending
>>desktop support for Windows XP computers. On June 26, you will no longer
>> be
>>able to download the desktop app on windows xp or create an account with
>>it.
>>Then, on August 29, Dropbox will sign all XP users out of the desktop app
>>and they will no longer be able to sign in from that system. The account
>>will still be accessible from the online site or other devices.
>>
>>Here is the page on dropbox.com with more info:
>>
>>https://www.dropbox.com/help/9227
>>
>>Karl
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Re: [Audyssey] For those using Dropbox on older computers

[john]

This message demonstrates your lack of practical knowledge of the field 
quite plainly.
Xp was abandoned for numerous valid reasons, and just because you think its 
stable doesn't necessarily mean its fit for service for even most users, let 
alone business or government settings.
I have a windows 98 machine. It works great, as such things go. Its got 
office, JFW7, USB drivers (though that took some work), and runs like a 
charm. I could even use it to get some work done, were I so inclined.
Unfortunately, if I connect that machine to the internet, it would be pretty 
much instantly infected with all kinds of viruses and other nasty software, 
because, quite simply, windows 98 is, and has been, insecure for a 
tremendously long period of time.
The exact same principle applies to xp. Just because windows xp is capable 
of running a particular piece of software, does not mean that its capable of 
doing it in a fashion that the vast majority of computer users would 
consider proper. Furthermore, windows xp lacks support for more modern 
hardware configurations (you're most likely limited to 3.2gb of ram, for 
example, whereas this 2011 laptop I'm writing on right now has 8, and the 
numbers are only rising).
Windows xp was abandoned because it is incapable of moving forward into the 
future of computers, and newer operating systems are. It was abandoned 
because there's only so many times you can patch up a leak or rig a damaged 
engine before it gives up completely.
This is not the first time this issue has come up on list, and every time, 
we receive the exact same responses. Before you post next time, please do 
some research of your own so you don't come across as utterly clueless about 
the subjects you're discussing. If you can provide some evidence to back up 
your points, you might make headway in convincing the rest of us. As it is 
however, you're ranting does nothing but make you look foolish.

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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] For those using Dropbox on older computers

The only reason it isn't supported is because Microsoft quit supporting it.
Otherwise, it would still be a stable and reliable platform for those who
must rely on screen readers.




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From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 4:47 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] For those using Dropbox on older computers

Well to be honest xp is unsupported, it may be good for olderoffline use
and some older programs.
But xp will continue until it is not viable for others to use or develop it.
Its not safe really to run xp on the net or any network anymore anyway.
So even if you are a heavy xp user you will need a modern something to
continue to use it via clients.



On 26/04/2016 11:16 p.m., Karl Belanger wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> As some people use Dropbox for sharing betas and other game related things
> I
> felt this was relevant to the list. Over the summer Dropbox will be ending
> desktop support for Windows XP computers. On June 26, you will no longer
> be
> able to download the desktop app on windows xp or create an account with
> it.
> Then, on August 29, Dropbox will sign all XP users out of the desktop app
> and they will no longer be able to sign in from that system. The account
> will still be accessible from the online site or other devices.
>
> Here is the page on dropbox.com with more info:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/help/9227
>
> Karl
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Re: [Audyssey] For those using Dropbox on older computers

[Charles Rivard]

The only reason it isn't supported is because Microsoft quit supporting it. 
Otherwise, it would still be a stable and reliable platform for those who 
must rely on screen readers.





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From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 4:47 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] For those using Dropbox on older computers

Well to be honest xp is unsupported, it may be good for olderoffline use
and some older programs.
But xp will continue until it is not viable for others to use or develop it.
Its not safe really to run xp on the net or any network anymore anyway.
So even if you are a heavy xp user you will need a modern something to
continue to use it via clients.



On 26/04/2016 11:16 p.m., Karl Belanger wrote:

Hi all,

As some people use Dropbox for sharing betas and other game related things 
I

felt this was relevant to the list. Over the summer Dropbox will be ending
desktop support for Windows XP computers. On June 26, you will no longer 
be
able to download the desktop app on windows xp or create an account with 
it.

Then, on August 29, Dropbox will sign all XP users out of the desktop app
and they will no longer be able to sign in from that system. The account
will still be accessible from the online site or other devices.

Here is the page on dropbox.com with more info:

https://www.dropbox.com/help/9227

Karl

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Re: [Audyssey] For those using Dropbox on older computers

[Shaun Everiss]

Well to be honest xp is unsupported, it may be good for olderoffline use 
and some older programs.

But xp will continue until it is not viable for others to use or develop it.
Its not safe really to run xp on the net or any network anymore anyway.
So even if you are a heavy xp user you will need a modern something to 
continue to use it via clients.




On 26/04/2016 11:16 p.m., Karl Belanger wrote:

Hi all,

As some people use Dropbox for sharing betas and other game related things I
felt this was relevant to the list. Over the summer Dropbox will be ending
desktop support for Windows XP computers. On June 26, you will no longer be
able to download the desktop app on windows xp or create an account with it.
Then, on August 29, Dropbox will sign all XP users out of the desktop app
and they will no longer be able to sign in from that system. The account
will still be accessible from the online site or other devices.

Here is the page on dropbox.com with more info:

https://www.dropbox.com/help/9227

Karl

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Re: [Audyssey] For those using Dropbox on older computers

[john]

Its more along the lines of there being interfaces in newer versions that 
aren't available in windows xp.
>From an end-user's standpoint, consider the search box. To open word in 
windows xp, I need to use traditional navigation keys to find the shortcut 
to it, wherever that may be on my machine.
On later versions of windows, all I need do is press the windows key, type 
"word", and press enter.
This metaphor remains true for developers as well. New features have been 
added in later versions of windows that don't exist on xp, and therefore, 
likely for security reasons, code needs to change to take advantage of these 
new features.
In some cases, this means that backwards compatibility cannot be maintained.
I'd welcome anybody who can mention specific examples of these developer 
interfaces; I know there are numerous, especially in the realm of 
accessibility, but I don't know them well enough to name directly.

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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] For those using Dropbox on older computers

The older computers could still use Dropbox if no changes were made to
Dropbox.  No changes had to be made, because it worked just fine on the
newer machines, as far as I know.  The reason most often given for dropping
support for XP is that, "You've got to keep up with today's technology."  To
me, this is lame.  Whatever happened to backward compatibility?  The only
reason we "have to keep up with today's technology" is because the producers
of hardware and software and web sites are forcing us to do so by making
their sites and products unaccessible with what we choose to continue using
and which we are comfortable and familiar with.  For instance, in order to
use Microsoft's Windows 10, which has a web browser that is not able to be
used with screen readers, you need the latest version of JAWS, which some
people cannot afford.  I would rather stay with what works than forage into
what isn't as reliable and dependable.  Apple, on the other hand, allows
older technology such as iPhones to work with even the newest firmware.  The
4S will be phased out, but it has been around, and it still works with the
latest firmware update.  Why don't others follow the same philosophy?  They
would keep their share of the market, and probably even increase their
customer base if they did.





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From: Stephen
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 8:43 AM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] For those using Dropbox on older computers

That's annoying
At 09:16 PM 4/26/2016, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>As some people use Dropbox for sharing betas and other game related things
>I
>felt this was relevant to the list. Over the summer Dropbox will be ending
>desktop support for Windows XP computers. On June 26, you will no longer be
>able to download the desktop app on windows xp or create an account with
>it.
>Then, on August 29, Dropbox will sign all XP users out of the desktop app
>and they will no longer be able to sign in from that system. The account
>will still be accessible from the online site or other devices.
>
>Here is the page on dropbox.com with more info:
>
>https://www.dropbox.com/help/9227
>
>Karl
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Re: [Audyssey] For those using Dropbox on older computers

[Charles Rivard]

The older computers could still use Dropbox if no changes were made to 
Dropbox.  No changes had to be made, because it worked just fine on the 
newer machines, as far as I know.  The reason most often given for dropping 
support for XP is that, "You've got to keep up with today's technology."  To 
me, this is lame.  Whatever happened to backward compatibility?  The only 
reason we "have to keep up with today's technology" is because the producers 
of hardware and software and web sites are forcing us to do so by making 
their sites and products unaccessible with what we choose to continue using 
and which we are comfortable and familiar with.  For instance, in order to 
use Microsoft's Windows 10, which has a web browser that is not able to be 
used with screen readers, you need the latest version of JAWS, which some 
people cannot afford.  I would rather stay with what works than forage into 
what isn't as reliable and dependable.  Apple, on the other hand, allows 
older technology such as iPhones to work with even the newest firmware.  The 
4S will be phased out, but it has been around, and it still works with the 
latest firmware update.  Why don't others follow the same philosophy?  They 
would keep their share of the market, and probably even increase their 
customer base if they did.






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Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 8:43 AM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] For those using Dropbox on older computers

That's annoying
At 09:16 PM 4/26/2016, you wrote:

Hi all,

As some people use Dropbox for sharing betas and other game related things 
I

felt this was relevant to the list. Over the summer Dropbox will be ending
desktop support for Windows XP computers. On June 26, you will no longer be
able to download the desktop app on windows xp or create an account with 
it.

Then, on August 29, Dropbox will sign all XP users out of the desktop app
and they will no longer be able to sign in from that system. The account
will still be accessible from the online site or other devices.

Here is the page on dropbox.com with more info:

https://www.dropbox.com/help/9227

Karl

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Re: [Audyssey] For those using Dropbox on older computers

[Stephen]

That's annoying
At 09:16 PM 4/26/2016, you wrote:

Hi all,

As some people use Dropbox for sharing betas and other game related things I
felt this was relevant to the list. Over the summer Dropbox will be ending
desktop support for Windows XP computers. On June 26, you will no longer be
able to download the desktop app on windows xp or create an account with it.
Then, on August 29, Dropbox will sign all XP users out of the desktop app
and they will no longer be able to sign in from that system. The account
will still be accessible from the online site or other devices.

Here is the page on dropbox.com with more info:

https://www.dropbox.com/help/9227

Karl

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Re: [Audyssey] For those using Dropbox on older computers

[Christina]

Thanks for this info.


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From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of john
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 7:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] For those using Dropbox on older computers

Oh wow. Good to know. Thanks for passing this along.

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From: "Karl Belanger" <k...@belanger.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 7:16
To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
Subject: [Audyssey] For those using Dropbox on older computers

Hi all,

As some people use Dropbox for sharing betas and other game related things I
felt this was relevant to the list. Over the summer Dropbox will be ending
desktop support for Windows XP computers. On June 26, you will no longer be
able to download the desktop app on windows xp or create an account with it.
Then, on August 29, Dropbox will sign all XP users out of the desktop app
and they will no longer be able to sign in from that system. The account
will still be accessible from the online site or other devices.

Here is the page on dropbox.com with more info:

https://www.dropbox.com/help/9227

Karl

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Re: [Audyssey] For those using Dropbox on older computers

[Charles Rivard]

This thoroughly disgusts me, but thanks for letting us know.




If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-Original Message- 
From: Karl Belanger

Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 6:16 AM
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: [Audyssey] For those using Dropbox on older computers

Hi all,

As some people use Dropbox for sharing betas and other game related things I
felt this was relevant to the list. Over the summer Dropbox will be ending
desktop support for Windows XP computers. On June 26, you will no longer be
able to download the desktop app on windows xp or create an account with it.
Then, on August 29, Dropbox will sign all XP users out of the desktop app
and they will no longer be able to sign in from that system. The account
will still be accessible from the online site or other devices.

Here is the page on dropbox.com with more info:

https://www.dropbox.com/help/9227

Karl

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Re: [Audyssey] For those using Dropbox on older computers

[john]

Oh wow. Good to know. Thanks for passing this along.

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From: "Karl Belanger" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 7:16
To: 
Subject: [Audyssey] For those using Dropbox on older computers

Hi all,

As some people use Dropbox for sharing betas and other game related things I
felt this was relevant to the list. Over the summer Dropbox will be ending
desktop support for Windows XP computers. On June 26, you will no longer be
able to download the desktop app on windows xp or create an account with it.
Then, on August 29, Dropbox will sign all XP users out of the desktop app
and they will no longer be able to sign in from that system. The account
will still be accessible from the online site or other devices.

Here is the page on dropbox.com with more info:

https://www.dropbox.com/help/9227

Karl

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