Re: [Audyssey] voiceover interface on mac, was:RE: mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Yeah, numpad commander is your friend on OS X. I can manage just fine either way--not sure what's so hard about the VO keys, myself--but the numpad commander definitely makes the Apple wired keyboard worthwhile for me. I gave up the Bluetooth keyboard and trackpad in favour of just the wired keyboard. (A standard keyboard works but may or may not have enough keys to be comprehensive, for example FN and a dedicated eject key, though you can sort of work around that. You will not get an Insert key for use in Windows however. Unfortunately some USB and virtual keyboards do not allow you to sustain a keypress, so check it before committing to it, because there are quite a few cycle keys in OS X.) Don't forget Control-Option lock, too (VO+semicolon). That locks the VO keys, which behaves a bit more rationally than QuickNav, at the expense of needing to unlock when you're finished. If you don't like the amount of interacting, remember that the tab key also works, and you have jump targets and hot spots to move you even more quickly. You'll get used to it. I surprise sighted people by installing software faster than they can on OS X using the famously keyboard-unfriendly OS X installer. :) Cheers, Sabahattin --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] voiceover interface on mac, was:RE: mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
i can use one finger to press VO and shift. i don’t have large fingers, but I’m used to playing musical instruments, and my fingers are pretty long. Teresa Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough.--Richard P. Feynman On Dec 14, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote: Yeah, numpad commander is your friend on OS X. I can manage just fine either way--not sure what's so hard about the VO keys, myself--but the numpad commander definitely makes the Apple wired keyboard worthwhile for me. I gave up the Bluetooth keyboard and trackpad in favour of just the wired keyboard. (A standard keyboard works but may or may not have enough keys to be comprehensive, for example FN and a dedicated eject key, though you can sort of work around that. You will not get an Insert key for use in Windows however. Unfortunately some USB and virtual keyboards do not allow you to sustain a keypress, so check it before committing to it, because there are quite a few cycle keys in OS X.) Don't forget Control-Option lock, too (VO+semicolon). That locks the VO keys, which behaves a bit more rationally than QuickNav, at the expense of needing to unlock when you're finished. If you don't like the amount of interacting, remember that the tab key also works, and you have jump targets and hot spots to move you even more quickly. You'll get used to it. I surprise sighted people by installing software faster than they can on OS X using the famously keyboard-unfriendly OS X installer. :) Cheers, Sabahattin --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] voiceover interface on mac, was:RE: mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
You can also use a Windows app called SharpKeys to reassign any key on the keyboard to be the Insert if you need that under Windows. VoiceOver’s got a wide range of tools that have great use cases depending on what you need to do. I personally use a combination of Keyboard Commander, Trackpad Commander, QuickNav, and standard VO commands. I don’t care for the numpad commander, myself, but I know some people love it. On Dec 14, 2013, at 7:08 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote: Yeah, numpad commander is your friend on OS X. I can manage just fine either way--not sure what's so hard about the VO keys, myself--but the numpad commander definitely makes the Apple wired keyboard worthwhile for me. I gave up the Bluetooth keyboard and trackpad in favour of just the wired keyboard. (A standard keyboard works but may or may not have enough keys to be comprehensive, for example FN and a dedicated eject key, though you can sort of work around that. You will not get an Insert key for use in Windows however. Unfortunately some USB and virtual keyboards do not allow you to sustain a keypress, so check it before committing to it, because there are quite a few cycle keys in OS X.) Don't forget Control-Option lock, too (VO+semicolon). That locks the VO keys, which behaves a bit more rationally than QuickNav, at the expense of needing to unlock when you're finished. If you don't like the amount of interacting, remember that the tab key also works, and you have jump targets and hot spots to move you even more quickly. You'll get used to it. I surprise sighted people by installing software faster than they can on OS X using the famously keyboard-unfriendly OS X installer. :) Cheers, Sabahattin --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] voiceover interface on mac, was:RE: mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
Hi Theresa, I think at least some of the complaints about the VO keys come from people who are playing with OS X on non-Apple hardware, where the control and alt keys are not side-by-side like the control and option keys are. Of course, this can be fixed for PC keyboards in Mac System Preferences, where you can easily reassign those keys, but why bother looking for a solution when you can complain on an email list. *grin* On Dec 14, 2013, at 7:25 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: i can use one finger to press VO and shift. i don’t have large fingers, but I’m used to playing musical instruments, and my fingers are pretty long. Teresa Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough.--Richard P. Feynman On Dec 14, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote: Yeah, numpad commander is your friend on OS X. I can manage just fine either way--not sure what's so hard about the VO keys, myself--but the numpad commander definitely makes the Apple wired keyboard worthwhile for me. I gave up the Bluetooth keyboard and trackpad in favour of just the wired keyboard. (A standard keyboard works but may or may not have enough keys to be comprehensive, for example FN and a dedicated eject key, though you can sort of work around that. You will not get an Insert key for use in Windows however. Unfortunately some USB and virtual keyboards do not allow you to sustain a keypress, so check it before committing to it, because there are quite a few cycle keys in OS X.) Don't forget Control-Option lock, too (VO+semicolon). That locks the VO keys, which behaves a bit more rationally than QuickNav, at the expense of needing to unlock when you're finished. If you don't like the amount of interacting, remember that the tab key also works, and you have jump targets and hot spots to move you even more quickly. You'll get used to it. I surprise sighted people by installing software faster than they can on OS X using the famously keyboard-unfriendly OS X installer. :) Cheers, Sabahattin --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] voiceover interface on mac, was:RE: mac versus windows sales plus iOS question
I'm the same way. I apparently have guitar player's fingers LOL. They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa! -Original Message- From: Teresa Cochran Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 5:25 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] voiceover interface on mac,was:RE: mac versus windows sales plus iOS question i can use one finger to press VO and shift. i don’t have large fingers, but I’m used to playing musical instruments, and my fingers are pretty long. Teresa Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough.--Richard P. Feynman On Dec 14, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote: Yeah, numpad commander is your friend on OS X. I can manage just fine either way--not sure what's so hard about the VO keys, myself--but the numpad commander definitely makes the Apple wired keyboard worthwhile for me. I gave up the Bluetooth keyboard and trackpad in favour of just the wired keyboard. (A standard keyboard works but may or may not have enough keys to be comprehensive, for example FN and a dedicated eject key, though you can sort of work around that. You will not get an Insert key for use in Windows however. Unfortunately some USB and virtual keyboards do not allow you to sustain a keypress, so check it before committing to it, because there are quite a few cycle keys in OS X.) Don't forget Control-Option lock, too (VO+semicolon). That locks the VO keys, which behaves a bit more rationally than QuickNav, at the expense of needing to unlock when you're finished. If you don't like the amount of interacting, remember that the tab key also works, and you have jump targets and hot spots to move you even more quickly. You'll get used to it. I surprise sighted people by installing software faster than they can on OS X using the famously keyboard-unfriendly OS X installer. :) Cheers, Sabahattin --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
