Makes sense, and I can see where you're coming from. I never asked for
bowling rails, I always just tried it based on my own orientation, but I
guess you would want a lot more out of a bowling game because of the fact
you did it seriously once. I would probably do the same for Goalball or any
video game that had a protagonist who used the martial art I practice. I
would want as much detail and accuracy as possible too.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Rivard" <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] weii bowling cannot beplayedindependentlybytheblind-
Re: Accessable games fortheplaystation three.
I guess I want more than a lot of other people when it comes to
accessibility. It is true that blind people need sighted help when at the
bowling center. Making sure that the rail is correctly set, telling us the
remaining pins after the first ball, and so on. But if I know the result
of each shot, I keep my own score on an abacus so that I know how I'm
doing. When I was on a sanctioned league, I carried a 110 average. No
bumpers were used. But I did my own aiming by using a bowling rail. I
would want at least that much from any game I play.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Clement Chou" <chou.clem...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] weii bowling cannot be
playedindependentlybytheblind- Re: Accessable games for theplaystation
three.
Fair enough. But I guess the mindset I have is that when I play games, I
almost always play them with other people... console games are just more
fun when there are friends around. By that definition, Rock Band isn't
accessible either, since you can't know how much you got for points and
whatnot at the end of a song. But everyone has their own opinion, I
guess. I just grew up on console games so it's never really mattered that
much to me. I've always believed that if I could access most of the
features of the game, then as far as I'm concerned it's accessible.
Though to be quite honest, I never really liked sports games anyway...
for things like bowling especially. I'd rather participate in the real
thing, like going bowling for real.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Rivard" <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
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Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] weii bowling cannot be
playedindependentlybytheblind - Re: Accessable games for theplaystation
three.
To me, it does matter than I cannot know the remaining pins or
accurately aim, and what's the point of bowling if you don't know your
score frame by frame? While bowling is a sport that is more fun with a
crowd, I enjoy it as a challenging game of skill, and if skill cannot be
used, or the results cannot be known, I'm not satisfied with the game.
To me, useable feedback is being able to accomplish the tasks given
above with no sighted help.
A good example of a good bowling game is Tenpin Alley from
www.draconisentertainment.com
It gives the feedback I need to enjoy a game of bowling, plus, others
can play as well. Everyone is on equal ground when playing this bowling
game.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Clement Chou" <chou.clem...@gmail.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] weii bowling cannot be played
independentlybytheblind - Re: Accessable games for the playstation
three.
I can do everything you said, other than hitting what's left and knowing
what my final score is. But why would it matter... because I would only
play it when friends were around, and would know final scores
regardless? Again, I think it comes down to personal definitions of
accessible... I am not trying to provoke an argument, only to discuss. I
don't deal with the wii as much anymore, I find my ps3 much more
accessible. And what is your definition of usable feedback? My
definition is the clicking of the system as I move through the menus,
and in the ps3's case, the fact that they don't wrap. My definition of
usable feedback when playing bowling is judging crowd sounds, and when
friends are around, what they tel me. So again, down to personal
perspective.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Rivard" <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] weii bowling cannot be played independently
bytheblind - Re: Accessable games for the playstation three.
Could you come into a room, turn the unit on, choose a game without
hunting for it by trial and error, roll the first ball at the desired
spot by knowing your target instead of randomly throwing it, know what
pins remain (if any), use skill rather than guesswork to aim at them,
and know your score after the first frame is over? Could you tell me
your final score after the tenth frame had ended, all with no sighted
help? If you can play the bowling game with no sighted help at all,
knowing everything you need to in order to play the game completely
through, then I would say that it is accessible, and be interested.
If you cannot, then the game is not accessible. Console and game
operation by guesswork does not, in any way, equate to doing so using
accurate and useable feedback. If you don't get the feedback needed
to operate and play the games, it's not accessible. In a sense, it
would be like operating your computer without a screen reader if you
are totally blind. You could conceivably do it by guessing at your
results as you type. You could go through the correct motions such as
typing what you need to, but did it work? Without the necessary
feedback, you don't know.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian McNamara" <ianmcnamar...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 2:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] weii bowling cannot be played independently by
theblind - Re: Accessable games for the playstation three.
Exactly On our whiee when we had it I had the highest score on the
bowling on our console and no one could break it including sighted
people.
Ian McNamara
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