FW: [gatortalk] Re: A 73-Year-Old Gives Basketball a Second Shot

[Oliver Barry]

Ah, manana!  The best day to start.  :-)
Oliver 

-Original Message-
From: Gatornet Admin 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 7:26 PM
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: A 73-Year-Old Gives Basketball a Second Shot

What a great story! I completely enjoyed it, and feel inspired to start getting 
in shape beginning tomorrow morning. Thanks!

Randy

  - Original Message - 
  From: A. Leon Polhill 
  To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:59 PM
  Subject: [gatortalk] A 73-Year-Old Gives Basketball a Second Shot


  This is really for the Randy One and Jerry, but I'm going back to the gym in 
the morning.  Then I'm going to run the beach while snarling at Georgia this 
weekend.



  Leon



  The NYTimes



  December 10, 2008

  A 73-Year-Old Gives Basketball a Second Shot 
  By JERÉ LONGMAN

  JACKSON, Tenn. - Before Sunday's basketball game, Coach Yogi Woods gathered 
the junior varsity at Lambuth University. Watch out for 73 on the other team, 
he said. He did not mean the player's number. He meant his age.

  The visitors, Roane State Community College, had a septuagenarian guard, Ken 
Mink, college basketball's oldest player, who has started a second career after 
his first ended a half century ago with a mysterious shaving-cream incident.

  If the 6-foot Mink was good enough to play, he was good enough to be guarded, 
Woods told the Lambuth players. Then he turned to the freshman Kendrick Coleman 
and said: "If he goes in for a layup, don't let him have it. If he scores on 
you, we will never let you forget it."

  This mixture of curiosity and macho dread has greeted Mink all season at 
colleges throughout Tennessee. After all, how do you defend a guy whose peers 
are generally pumping iron to supplement their blood levels, not to build their 
muscles? On Nov. 3, the junior-varsity coach at King College told one of the 
Roane players, whom he had coached in high school, "If the old guy scores, 
we're walking home."

  Late in that game, Mink entered and found himself open in the corner. He gave 
a pump fake, and the defender ended up draped over him like raccoon coat. 
Calmly, he hit both free throws. The Hack-a-Mink strategy had failed.

  "I thought some teams would play along, humor him," said Randy Nesbit, the 
coach of Roane State, located in Harriman, Tenn. "No, they're not like the 
Washington Generals. They're like sharks sensing blood."

  At home games, Mink has been a crowd favorite. Attendance, usually about 100 
per game, has on occasion swelled to 400. Mink's wife, Emilia, 68, wore a retro 
cheerleader outfit to the season opener, complete with saddle shoes and a 
poodle skirt. She held up a sign that said, "Ken Can, He's Our Medicare Man."

  No one has been happier than the guy who runs the Roane concession stand.

  "He even put a new item on the menu, polish sausage with peppers and onions," 
Nesbit said. "It was just plain hotdogs before."

  For a guy Mink's age, two-a-days are a likely reference to multivitamins, not 
double practices. But while shooting around in a neighbor's driveway in the 
summer of 2007, he realized he still had his shooting stroke. So he sent e-mail 
messages to eight tiny colleges near his home in Knoxville, Tenn. Perhaps a 
small school could use a guy with an old-school push shot.

  "You do realize you're 72?" Emilia Mink asked her husband. "Do you think you 
can convince someone you're not?"

  Nesbit, the Roane coach, grew intrigued. A former point guard and coach at 
The Citadel, he kept himself in terrific shape at 50. He was curious about the 
possibilities of athletic performance at an age when Gatorade has been replaced 
as the sports drink of choice by Metamucil. Still, he wanted to meet Mink 
before offering him a spot on the team.

  "I think he wanted to make sure Ken wasn't out on a weekend pass," Emilia 
Mink said.

  Ken Mink told Nesbit a story of unfinished business: he had played at Lees 
College in Jackson, Ky., only to be expelled from the then-Presbyterian school 
in 1956 as his sophomore season began. His crime? Mink said he was accused of 
soaping the coach's office with shaving cream, slathering the lights and even 
the coach's shoes. 

  He denied it. "I don't even shave," he said he told the university president. 
Apparently, his alibi was not as smooth as his baby face.

  "It's been eating at him all these years," Emilia Mink said. "Ken likes to 
finish what he started."

  Marcus Mullins, a student manager on that Lees team, said he remembered Mink 
as a "good, hard-nosed player, a big raw-boned kid." ("I used to be 6-2," Mink 
said.) While he was not certain of the facts, Mullins said, the university 
president at the time was a stern man who did not tolerate prankish misbehavior.

  "I know there was an incident, and suddenly he was gone," Mullins said of 
Mink. "I'm sure he's telling the truth."

  Mink said he joined the Air Force in November 1956 and playe

[gatortalk] Re: Blessing to you all while I am out of touch.

[Cecilia]

What a fabulous and special family event!  You'll be in my thoughts.

Cee
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jerry Belloit 
  To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:16 PM
  Subject: [gatortalk] Blessing to you all while I am out of touch.


  I will be out of touch for the next week +.  On Sunday I will board a cruise 
ship to the islands.  When we port at the Grand Caymans, I will have the honor 
of officiating over the wedding of my daughter.  It will be kind of strange 
walking her down the aisle, presenting her to my wife (also a pastor), then 
switching places to do the service.

   

  Blessing on you all this joyous season,

   

  Jerry

   

  P.S.  While you are all praying for Tim in New York,  sneak a little prayer 
in for my daughter and her nervous momma and daddy.

   

   


  

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[gatortalk] TEBOW WINS THE MAXWELL AWARD

[Bill Hood aka mrgatorman]

Again.GO TT!!
 
Gotta Love It !!!
GO GATORS !!!
mrgatorman
  _  

From: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Gatornet Admin
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:00 PM
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Blessing to you all while I am out of touch.
 
Congratulations! Tie the knot good and tight, Dad. These days, they have a
tendency to come untied. ;-)
 
Randy
 
- Original Message - 
From: Jerry Belloit   
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:16 PM
Subject: [gatortalk] Blessing to you all while I am out of touch.
 
I will be out of touch for the next week +.  On Sunday I will board a cruise
ship to the islands.  When we port at the Grand Caymans, I will have the
honor of officiating over the wedding of my daughter.  It will be kind of
strange walking her down the aisle, presenting her to my wife (also a
pastor), then switching places to do the service.
 
Blessing on you all this joyous season,
 
Jerry
 
P.S.  While you are all praying for Tim in New York,  sneak a little prayer
in for my daughter and her nervous momma and daddy.
 
 
http://www.avg.com
Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.16/1843 - Release Date: 12/11/2008
8:36 AM

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GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
1996 National Football Champions   |   2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions   |   2007 National Basketball Champions
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---

[gatortalk] Re: Blessing to you all while I am out of touch.

[Gatornet Admin]

Congratulations! Tie the knot good and tight, Dad. These days, they have a 
tendency to come untied. ;-)

Randy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jerry Belloit 
  To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:16 PM
  Subject: [gatortalk] Blessing to you all while I am out of touch.


  I will be out of touch for the next week +.  On Sunday I will board a cruise 
ship to the islands.  When we port at the Grand Caymans, I will have the honor 
of officiating over the wedding of my daughter.  It will be kind of strange 
walking her down the aisle, presenting her to my wife (also a pastor), then 
switching places to do the service.

   

  Blessing on you all this joyous season,

   

  Jerry

   

  P.S.  While you are all praying for Tim in New York,  sneak a little prayer 
in for my daughter and her nervous momma and daddy.

   

   


  

--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
1996 National Football Champions   |   2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions   |   2007 National Basketball Champions
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---

[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

[Robert R. Williams, PLS]

I think they are calling it for Tebow, they see the guy for who he is,
greatest college football player ever.

Robert

 

 

From: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Wanda Barry
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 6:29 PM
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

 

When do you think the networks will call the election???

Wanda

- Original Message - 

From: Robert R. Williams, PLS   

To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 1:42 PM

Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

 

According to ESPN news Tebow has Maine all wraped up.

 

Go Gators

Robert R. Williams PLS

 

From: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of A. Leon Polhill 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:16 AM
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

 

Let's talk politics.  (Relax Randy One.)

 

I think Bradford and McCoy will split the Southwestern vote and Tebow will
win a plurality of all other areas of the country except for the Southeast
where he will carry a large majority.

 

Tebow wins.

 

 

A. Leon Polhill

FlaNative1845

330 NW 45th Street

Gainesville, FL 32607

(352) 367-4642

 

-Original Message-
From: gatorn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatorn...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Shane Ford
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:22 AM
To: GatorNEWS
Subject: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

 


Heisman arms race


 
 

Rob C. Witzel /Staff photographer 

Florida quarterback Tim Tebow gets the crowd fired up during the second half
of the Gators' 31-20 win against Alabama in the SEC Championship Game on
Saturday at the Georgia Dome in Atlanta, Georgia.

 

By Robbie Andreu
Gainesville Sun Staff writer

Published: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 at 6:01 a.m. 
Last Modified: Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 12:20 a.m. 

 

Sam Bradford

Quarterback, Oklahoma

Team record: 12-1 overall, 7-1 in the Big 12, defeated Missouri 62-21 in
conference championship game.

Total yards: 4,529 (4,464 passing; 65 rushing).

Total touchdowns: 53 (48 passing; five rushing).

The argument for: He's been the leader and trigger man of one of the most
explosive offenses in the history of college football, one that has scored
60 or more points in the last five games. His passing numbers are off the
charts and his touchdown production is well ahead of his Heisman rivals.

The argument against: He lost the head-to-head matchup with Colt McCoy and
Texas, which has made some voters take a second look. Those weak defenses he
faced week in and week out in the Big 12 also could cost him some votes.

Summation: For those voting on sheer numbers, Bradford is the obvious
choice. The question is: will he be able to hold off the late-charging
TimTebow.

 

Colt McCoy

Quarterback, Texas

Team record: 11-1 overall, 7-1 in the Big 12.

Total yards: 4,021 (3,445 passing, 576 rushing).

Total touchdowns: 42 (32 passing, 10 rushing).

The argument for: He beat Bradford head-to-head and he's a much more
versatile quarterback than his Big 12 rival. If the Longhorns had not
dropped an easy interception or given up a miraculous TD reception to
TexasTech's Michael Crabtree with only seconds to go, McCoy probably would
have the Heisman sewn up.

The argument against: While Bradford and Tim Tebow have been playing on the
national stage the last few weeks, McCoy has slipped almost completely off
the radar. The Big 12 tiebreaker that sentOU to the conference title game
instead of Texas really hurts his chances.

Summation: OU gets to play for the national championship, but many voters
will remember McCoy beat Bradford in their head-to-head matchup. He
definitely has Heisman numbers - and that big win over OU on his resume.

 

Tim Tebow

Quarterback, Florida

Team record: 12-1 overall, 7-1 in the SEC, defeated Alabama 31-20 in the SEC
title game.

Total yards: 3,079 (2,515 passing; 564 rushing).

Total touchdowns: 40 (28 passing, 12 rushing).

The argument for: He lived up to the emotional promise he made after the
loss to Ole Miss, sparking the Gators' nine-game winning streak with his
strong play and leadership. In the biggest game of the year, withUF
trailing, Tebow's flawless fourth quarter carried the Gators to a victory
over Alabama in the SEC title game. His versatility may be unmatched in
college football.

The argument against: The numbers aren't there like they were a year ago,
and they are well behind the overall statistics piled up by the
front-runner, Bradford. 

Summation: Tebow fell off the Heisman radar after the early loss to Ole
Miss, but his play down the stretch (especially in Atlanta last week) has
has put him in position to

[gatortalk] Re: A 73-Year-Old Gives Basketball a Second Shot

[Gatornet Admin]

FW: [gatortalk] A 73-Year-Old Gives Basketball a Second ShotIf anyone could do 
it, YOU could. Just keep drinking that Geritol. ;-)

My goal has always been to live to 100 and be arrested for streaking at a gator 
NC game.

Randy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Oliver Barry 
  To: Gatortalk 
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:19 PM
  Subject: FW: [gatortalk] A 73-Year-Old Gives Basketball a Second Shot


  My goal is to qualify for Ironman Hawaii.  You have to finish in the top 3 in 
your agegroup in an Ironman race to do so.
  Best I've ever done is 10th.  But, I plan to outlive the competition and 
qualify at age 73!  :-)
  Oliver 

  -Original Message-
  From: A. Leon Polhill  
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:59 PM
  To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: [gatortalk] A 73-Year-Old Gives Basketball a Second Shot

  This is really for the Randy One and Jerry, but I'm going back to the gym in
  the morning.  Then I'm going to run the beach while snarling at Georgia this
  weekend.



  Leon



  The NYTimes



  December 10, 2008


  A 73-Year-Old Gives Basketball a Second Shot


  By JERÉ LONGMAN
  

  JACKSON, Tenn. - Before Sunday's basketball game, Coach Yogi Woods gathered
  the junior varsity at Lambuth University. Watch out for 73 on the other
  team, he said. He did not mean the player's number. He meant his age.

  The visitors, Roane State Community College, had a septuagenarian guard, Ken
  Mink, college basketball's oldest player, who has started a second career
  after his first ended a half century ago with a mysterious shaving-cream
  incident.

  If the 6-foot Mink was good enough to play, he was good enough to be
  guarded, Woods told the Lambuth players. Then he turned to the freshman
  Kendrick Coleman and said: "If he goes in for a layup, don't let him have
  it. If he scores on you, we will never let you forget it."

  This mixture of curiosity and macho dread has greeted Mink all season at
  colleges throughout Tennessee. After all, how do you defend a guy whose
  peers are generally pumping iron to supplement their blood levels, not to
  build their muscles? On Nov. 3, the junior-varsity coach at King College
  told one of the Roane players, whom he had coached in high school, "If the
  old guy scores, we're walking home."

  Late in that game, Mink entered and found himself open in the corner. He
  gave a pump fake, and the defender ended up draped over him like raccoon
  coat. Calmly, he hit both free throws. The Hack-a-Mink strategy had failed.

  "I thought some teams would play along, humor him," said Randy Nesbit, the
  coach of Roane State, located in Harriman, Tenn. "No, they're not like the
  Washington Generals. They're like sharks sensing blood."

  At home games, Mink has been a crowd favorite. Attendance, usually about 100
  per game, has on occasion swelled to 400. Mink's wife, Emilia, 68, wore a
  retro cheerleader outfit to the season opener, complete with saddle shoes
  and a poodle skirt. She held up a sign that said, "Ken Can, He's Our
  Medicare
    Man."

  No one has been happier than the guy who runs the Roane concession stand.

  "He even put a new item on the menu, polish sausage with peppers and
  onions," Nesbit said. "It was just plain hotdogs before."

  For a guy Mink's age, two-a-days are a likely reference to multivitamins,
  not double practices. But while shooting around in a neighbor's driveway in
  the summer of 2007, he realized he still had his shooting stroke. So he sent
  e-mail messages to eight tiny colleges near his home in Knoxville, Tenn.
  Perhaps a small school could use a guy with an old-school push shot.

  "You do realize you're 72?" Emilia Mink asked her husband. "Do you think you
  can convince someone you're not?"

  Nesbit, the Roane coach, grew intrigued. A former point guard and coach at
  The Citadel
   , he kept himself in terrific shape at 50. He
  was curious about the possibilities of athletic performance at an age when
  Gatorade has been replaced as the sports drink of choice by Metamucil.
  Still, he wanted to meet Mink before offering him a spot on the team.

  "I think he wanted to make sure Ken wasn't out on a weekend pass," Emilia
  Mink said.

  Ken Mink told Nesbit a story of unfinished business: he had played at Lees
  College in Jackson, Ky., only to be expelled from the then-Presbyterian
  school in 1956 as his sophomore season began. His crime? Mink said he was
  accused of soaping the coach's office with shaving cream, slathering the
  lights and even the coach's shoes.

  He denied it. "I don't even shave," he said he told the university
  president. App

[gatortalk] Re: According to ESPN: Mullen to Mississippi State

[Gatornet Admin]

My wife had to help me up off of the floor. Red letter day for sure!

Randy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jerry Belloit 
  To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:07 PM
  Subject: [gatortalk] Re: According to ESPN: Mullen to Mississippi State


  Where are my nitro pills?  Leon, God bless you.

   

  Jerry

   

  From: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of A. Leon Polhill 
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:24 PM
  To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
  Subject: [gatortalk] Re: According to ESPN: Mullen to Mississippi State

   

  Jerry, you are right.

   

  Randy, please make a recording of this event.

   

   

  A. Leon Polhill

  FlaNative1845

  330 NW 45th Street

  Gainesville, FL 32607

  (352) 367-4642

   

  -Original Message-
  From: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Jerry Belloit
  Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:46 PM
  To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
  Subject: [gatortalk] Re: According to ESPN: Mullen to Mississippi State

   

  I actually have some mixed feelings on him staying until after the game.  I 
am not sure that I would give him that opportunity.  If he stays, assuming that 
he is human like the rest of us, he will be time-sharing at best.  He has to 
pack, move, and more importantly for him and Mississippi State, he has to 
recruit!  There are not enough hours in a day for him to do these things, much 
less for him to game plan.  Urban doesn't need distractions.

   

  Jerry

   

  From: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Gatornet Admin
  Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:20 PM
  To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
  Subject: [gatortalk] Re: According to ESPN: Mullen to Mississippi State

   

  Sigh... It was bound to happen to either him or Charlie. I just hope he 
sticks around until after the BCS game.

   

  Randy

   

- Original Message - 

From: Woody 

To: Gatortalk 

Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:02 PM

Subject: [gatortalk] According to ESPN: Mullen to Mississippi State

 

Sooo...  hows everyone feel about this?

 

Woody

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[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

[Gatornet Admin]

Probably sometime Saturday night after all the polls close. ;-)

Randy


  - Original Message - 
  From: Wanda Barry 
  To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 6:28 PM
  Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)


  When do you think the networks will call the election???
  Wanda
- Original Message - 
From: Robert R. Williams, PLS 
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 1:42 PM
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)


According to ESPN news Tebow has Maine all wraped up.

 

Go Gators

Robert R. Williams PLS

 

From: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of A. Leon Polhill 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:16 AM
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

 

Let's talk politics.  (Relax Randy One.)

 

I think Bradford and McCoy will split the Southwestern vote and Tebow will 
win a plurality of all other areas of the country except for the Southeast 
where he will carry a large majority.

 

Tebow wins.

 

 

A. Leon Polhill

FlaNative1845

330 NW 45th Street

Gainesville, FL 32607

(352) 367-4642

 

-Original Message-
From: gatorn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatorn...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Shane Ford
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:22 AM
To: GatorNEWS
Subject: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

 

Heisman arms race


Rob C. Witzel /Staff photographer 

Florida quarterback Tim Tebow gets the crowd fired up during the second 
half of the Gators' 31-20 win against Alabama in the SEC Championship Game on 
Saturday at the Georgia Dome in Atlanta, Georgia.

 

By Robbie Andreu
Gainesville Sun Staff writer

Published: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 at 6:01 a.m. 
Last Modified: Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 12:20 a.m. 

 

Sam Bradford

Quarterback, Oklahoma

Team record: 12-1 overall, 7-1 in the Big 12, defeated Missouri 62-21 in 
conference championship game.

Total yards: 4,529 (4,464 passing; 65 rushing).

Total touchdowns: 53 (48 passing; five rushing).

The argument for: He's been the leader and trigger man of one of the most 
explosive offenses in the history of college football, one that has scored 60 
or more points in the last five games. His passing numbers are off the charts 
and his touchdown production is well ahead of his Heisman rivals.

The argument against: He lost the head-to-head matchup with Colt McCoy and 
Texas, which has made some voters take a second look. Those weak defenses he 
faced week in and week out in the Big 12 also could cost him some votes.

Summation: For those voting on sheer numbers, Bradford is the obvious 
choice. The question is: will he be able to hold off the late-charging TimTebow.

 

Colt McCoy

Quarterback, Texas

Team record: 11-1 overall, 7-1 in the Big 12.

Total yards: 4,021 (3,445 passing, 576 rushing).

Total touchdowns: 42 (32 passing, 10 rushing).

The argument for: He beat Bradford head-to-head and he's a much more 
versatile quarterback than his Big 12 rival. If the Longhorns had not dropped 
an easy interception or given up a miraculous TD reception to TexasTech's 
Michael Crabtree with only seconds to go, McCoy probably would have the Heisman 
sewn up.

The argument against: While Bradford and Tim Tebow have been playing on the 
national stage the last few weeks, McCoy has slipped almost completely off the 
radar. The Big 12 tiebreaker that sentOU to the conference title game instead 
of Texas really hurts his chances.

Summation: OU gets to play for the national championship, but many voters 
will remember McCoy beat Bradford in their head-to-head matchup. He definitely 
has Heisman numbers - and that big win over OU on his resume.

 

Tim Tebow

Quarterback, Florida

Team record: 12-1 overall, 7-1 in the SEC, defeated Alabama 31-20 in the 
SEC title game.

Total yards: 3,079 (2,515 passing; 564 rushing).

Total touchdowns: 40 (28 passing, 12 rushing).

The argument for: He lived up to the emotional promise he made after the 
loss to Ole Miss, sparking the Gators' nine-game winning streak with his strong 
play and leadership. In the biggest game of the year, withUF trailing, Tebow's 
flawless fourth quarter carried the Gators to a victory over Alabama in the SEC 
title game. His versatility may be unmatched in college football.

The argument against: The numbers aren't there like they were a year ago, 
and they are well behind the overall statistics piled up by the front-runner, 
Bradford. 

Summation: Tebow fell off the Heisman radar after the early loss to Ole 
Miss, but his play down the stretch (especially in Atlant

[gatortalk] Re: A 73-Year-Old Gives Basketball a Second Shot

[Gatornet Admin]

What a great story! I completely enjoyed it, and feel inspired to start getting 
in shape beginning tomorrow morning. Thanks!

Randy

  - Original Message - 
  From: A. Leon Polhill 
  To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:59 PM
  Subject: [gatortalk] A 73-Year-Old Gives Basketball a Second Shot


  This is really for the Randy One and Jerry, but I’m going back to the gym in 
the morning.  Then I’m going to run the beach while snarling at Georgia this 
weekend.



  Leon



  The NYTimes



  December 10, 2008

  A 73-Year-Old Gives Basketball a Second Shot 
  By JERÉ LONGMAN

  JACKSON, Tenn. — Before Sunday’s basketball game, Coach Yogi Woods gathered 
the junior varsity at Lambuth University. Watch out for 73 on the other team, 
he said. He did not mean the player’s number. He meant his age.

  The visitors, Roane State Community College, had a septuagenarian guard, Ken 
Mink, college basketball’s oldest player, who has started a second career after 
his first ended a half century ago with a mysterious shaving-cream incident.

  If the 6-foot Mink was good enough to play, he was good enough to be guarded, 
Woods told the Lambuth players. Then he turned to the freshman Kendrick Coleman 
and said: “If he goes in for a layup, don’t let him have it. If he scores on 
you, we will never let you forget it.”

  This mixture of curiosity and macho dread has greeted Mink all season at 
colleges throughout Tennessee. After all, how do you defend a guy whose peers 
are generally pumping iron to supplement their blood levels, not to build their 
muscles? On Nov. 3, the junior-varsity coach at King College told one of the 
Roane players, whom he had coached in high school, “If the old guy scores, 
we’re walking home.”

  Late in that game, Mink entered and found himself open in the corner. He gave 
a pump fake, and the defender ended up draped over him like raccoon coat. 
Calmly, he hit both free throws. The Hack-a-Mink strategy had failed.

  “I thought some teams would play along, humor him,” said Randy Nesbit, the 
coach of Roane State, located in Harriman, Tenn. “No, they’re not like the 
Washington Generals. They’re like sharks sensing blood.”

  At home games, Mink has been a crowd favorite. Attendance, usually about 100 
per game, has on occasion swelled to 400. Mink’s wife, Emilia, 68, wore a retro 
cheerleader outfit to the season opener, complete with saddle shoes and a 
poodle skirt. She held up a sign that said, “Ken Can, He’s Our Medicare Man.”

  No one has been happier than the guy who runs the Roane concession stand.

  “He even put a new item on the menu, polish sausage with peppers and onions,” 
Nesbit said. “It was just plain hotdogs before.”

  For a guy Mink’s age, two-a-days are a likely reference to multivitamins, not 
double practices. But while shooting around in a neighbor’s driveway in the 
summer of 2007, he realized he still had his shooting stroke. So he sent e-mail 
messages to eight tiny colleges near his home in Knoxville, Tenn. Perhaps a 
small school could use a guy with an old-school push shot.

  “You do realize you’re 72?” Emilia Mink asked her husband. “Do you think you 
can convince someone you’re not?”

  Nesbit, the Roane coach, grew intrigued. A former point guard and coach at 
The Citadel, he kept himself in terrific shape at 50. He was curious about the 
possibilities of athletic performance at an age when Gatorade has been replaced 
as the sports drink of choice by Metamucil. Still, he wanted to meet Mink 
before offering him a spot on the team.

  “I think he wanted to make sure Ken wasn’t out on a weekend pass,” Emilia 
Mink said.

  Ken Mink told Nesbit a story of unfinished business: he had played at Lees 
College in Jackson, Ky., only to be expelled from the then-Presbyterian school 
in 1956 as his sophomore season began. His crime? Mink said he was accused of 
soaping the coach’s office with shaving cream, slathering the lights and even 
the coach’s shoes. 

  He denied it. “I don’t even shave,” he said he told the university president. 
Apparently, his alibi was not as smooth as his baby face.

  “It’s been eating at him all these years,” Emilia Mink said. “Ken likes to 
finish what he started.”

  Marcus Mullins, a student manager on that Lees team, said he remembered Mink 
as a “good, hard-nosed player, a big raw-boned kid.” (“I used to be 6-2,” Mink 
said.) While he was not certain of the facts, Mullins said, the university 
president at the time was a stern man who did not tolerate prankish misbehavior.

  “I know there was an incident, and suddenly he was gone,” Mullins said of 
Mink. “I’m sure he’s telling the truth.”

  Mink said he joined the Air Force in November 1956 and played regularly in 
military tournaments for four years. He then went on to a career as a newspaper 
editor, continuing to play basketball in recreation leagues. Since retiring in 
1999, he and his wife said, Mink has kept active by playing golf, w

FW: [gatortalk] Blessing to you all while I am out of touch.

[Oliver Barry]

Congratulations Jerry!
Well, you're marrying her off in style.
Oliver 

-Original Message-
From: Jerry Belloit 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 7:16 PM
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
Subject: [gatortalk] Blessing to you all while I am out of touch.

I will be out of touch for the next week +.  On Sunday I will board a cruise
ship to the islands.  When we port at the Grand Caymans, I will have the
honor of officiating over the wedding of my daughter.  It will be kind of
strange walking her down the aisle, presenting her to my wife (also a
pastor), then switching places to do the service.

 

Blessing on you all this joyous season,

 

Jerry

 

P.S.  While you are all praying for Tim in New York,  sneak a little prayer
in for my daughter and her nervous momma and daddy.

 

 




--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
1996 National Football Champions   |   2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions   |   2007 National Basketball Champions
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---

FW: [gatortalk] A 73-Year-Old Gives Basketball a Second Shot

[Oliver Barry]

My goal is to qualify for Ironman Hawaii.  You have to finish in the top 3 in 
your agegroup in an Ironman race to do so.
Best I've ever done is 10th.  But, I plan to outlive the competition and 
qualify at age 73!  :-)
Oliver  

-Original Message-
From: A. Leon Polhill  
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:59 PM
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
Subject: [gatortalk] A 73-Year-Old Gives Basketball a Second Shot

This is really for the Randy One and Jerry, but I'm going back to the gym in
the morning.  Then I'm going to run the beach while snarling at Georgia this
weekend.

 

Leon

 

The NYTimes

 

December 10, 2008


A 73-Year-Old Gives Basketball a Second Shot 


By JERÉ LONGMAN
 

JACKSON, Tenn. - Before Sunday's basketball game, Coach Yogi Woods gathered
the junior varsity at Lambuth University. Watch out for 73 on the other
team, he said. He did not mean the player's number. He meant his age.

The visitors, Roane State Community College, had a septuagenarian guard, Ken
Mink, college basketball's oldest player, who has started a second career
after his first ended a half century ago with a mysterious shaving-cream
incident.

If the 6-foot Mink was good enough to play, he was good enough to be
guarded, Woods told the Lambuth players. Then he turned to the freshman
Kendrick Coleman and said: "If he goes in for a layup, don't let him have
it. If he scores on you, we will never let you forget it."

This mixture of curiosity and macho dread has greeted Mink all season at
colleges throughout Tennessee. After all, how do you defend a guy whose
peers are generally pumping iron to supplement their blood levels, not to
build their muscles? On Nov. 3, the junior-varsity coach at King College
told one of the Roane players, whom he had coached in high school, "If the
old guy scores, we're walking home."

Late in that game, Mink entered and found himself open in the corner. He
gave a pump fake, and the defender ended up draped over him like raccoon
coat. Calmly, he hit both free throws. The Hack-a-Mink strategy had failed.

"I thought some teams would play along, humor him," said Randy Nesbit, the
coach of Roane State, located in Harriman, Tenn. "No, they're not like the
Washington Generals. They're like sharks sensing blood."

At home games, Mink has been a crowd favorite. Attendance, usually about 100
per game, has on occasion swelled to 400. Mink's wife, Emilia, 68, wore a
retro cheerleader outfit to the season opener, complete with saddle shoes
and a poodle skirt. She held up a sign that said, "Ken Can, He's Our
Medicare
  Man."

No one has been happier than the guy who runs the Roane concession stand.

"He even put a new item on the menu, polish sausage with peppers and
onions," Nesbit said. "It was just plain hotdogs before."

For a guy Mink's age, two-a-days are a likely reference to multivitamins,
not double practices. But while shooting around in a neighbor's driveway in
the summer of 2007, he realized he still had his shooting stroke. So he sent
e-mail messages to eight tiny colleges near his home in Knoxville, Tenn.
Perhaps a small school could use a guy with an old-school push shot.

"You do realize you're 72?" Emilia Mink asked her husband. "Do you think you
can convince someone you're not?"

Nesbit, the Roane coach, grew intrigued. A former point guard and coach at
The Citadel
 , he kept himself in terrific shape at 50. He
was curious about the possibilities of athletic performance at an age when
Gatorade has been replaced as the sports drink of choice by Metamucil.
Still, he wanted to meet Mink before offering him a spot on the team.

"I think he wanted to make sure Ken wasn't out on a weekend pass," Emilia
Mink said.

Ken Mink told Nesbit a story of unfinished business: he had played at Lees
College in Jackson, Ky., only to be expelled from the then-Presbyterian
school in 1956 as his sophomore season began. His crime? Mink said he was
accused of soaping the coach's office with shaving cream, slathering the
lights and even the coach's shoes. 

He denied it. "I don't even shave," he said he told the university
president. Apparently, his alibi was not as smooth as his baby face.

"It's been eating at him all these years," Emilia Mink said. "Ken likes to
finish what he started."

Marcus Mullins, a student manager on that Lees team, said he remembered Mink
as a "good, hard-nosed player, a big raw-boned kid." ("I used to be 6-2,"
Mink said.) While he was not certain of the facts, Mullins said, the
university president at the time was a stern man who did not tolerate
prankish misbehavior.

"I know there was an incident, and suddenly he was gone," Mullins said of
Mink. "I'm sure h

[gatortalk] Blessing to you all while I am out of touch.

[Jerry Belloit]

I will be out of touch for the next week +.  On Sunday I will board a cruise
ship to the islands.  When we port at the Grand Caymans, I will have the
honor of officiating over the wedding of my daughter.  It will be kind of
strange walking her down the aisle, presenting her to my wife (also a
pastor), then switching places to do the service.

 

Blessing on you all this joyous season,

 

Jerry

 

P.S.  While you are all praying for Tim in New York,  sneak a little prayer
in for my daughter and her nervous momma and daddy.

 

 


--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
1996 National Football Champions   |   2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions   |   2007 National Basketball Champions
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---

[gatortalk] Re: According to ESPN: Mullen to Mississippi State

[Jerry Belloit]

Where are my nitro pills?  Leon, God bless you.

 

Jerry

 

From: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of A. Leon Polhill 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:24 PM
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: According to ESPN: Mullen to Mississippi State

 

Jerry, you are right.

 

Randy, please make a recording of this event.

 

 

A. Leon Polhill

FlaNative1845

330 NW 45th Street

Gainesville, FL 32607

(352) 367-4642

 

-Original Message-
From: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Jerry Belloit
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:46 PM
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: According to ESPN: Mullen to Mississippi State

 

I actually have some mixed feelings on him staying until after the game.  I
am not sure that I would give him that opportunity.  If he stays, assuming
that he is human like the rest of us, he will be time-sharing at best.  He
has to pack, move, and more importantly for him and Mississippi State, he
has to recruit!  There are not enough hours in a day for him to do these
things, much less for him to game plan.  Urban doesn't need distractions.

 

Jerry

 

From: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Gatornet Admin
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:20 PM
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: According to ESPN: Mullen to Mississippi State

 

Sigh... It was bound to happen to either him or Charlie. I just hope he
sticks around until after the BCS game.

 

Randy

 

- Original Message - 

From: Woody   

To: Gatortalk   

Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:02 PM

Subject: [gatortalk] According to ESPN: Mullen to Mississippi State

 

Sooo...  hows everyone feel about this?

 

Woody

<>

[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

[Wanda Barry]

When do you think the networks will call the election???
Wanda
  - Original Message - 
  From: Robert R. Williams, PLS 
  To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 1:42 PM
  Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)


  According to ESPN news Tebow has Maine all wraped up.

   

  Go Gators

  Robert R. Williams PLS

   

  From: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of A. Leon Polhill 
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:16 AM
  To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
  Subject: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

   

  Let's talk politics.  (Relax Randy One.)

   

  I think Bradford and McCoy will split the Southwestern vote and Tebow will 
win a plurality of all other areas of the country except for the Southeast 
where he will carry a large majority.

   

  Tebow wins.

   

   

  A. Leon Polhill

  FlaNative1845

  330 NW 45th Street

  Gainesville, FL 32607

  (352) 367-4642

   

  -Original Message-
  From: gatorn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatorn...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Shane Ford
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:22 AM
  To: GatorNEWS
  Subject: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

   

  Heisman arms race


  Rob C. Witzel /Staff photographer 

  Florida quarterback Tim Tebow gets the crowd fired up during the second half 
of the Gators' 31-20 win against Alabama in the SEC Championship Game on 
Saturday at the Georgia Dome in Atlanta, Georgia.

   

  By Robbie Andreu
  Gainesville Sun Staff writer

  Published: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 at 6:01 a.m. 
  Last Modified: Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 12:20 a.m. 

   

  Sam Bradford

  Quarterback, Oklahoma

  Team record: 12-1 overall, 7-1 in the Big 12, defeated Missouri 62-21 in 
conference championship game.

  Total yards: 4,529 (4,464 passing; 65 rushing).

  Total touchdowns: 53 (48 passing; five rushing).

  The argument for: He's been the leader and trigger man of one of the most 
explosive offenses in the history of college football, one that has scored 60 
or more points in the last five games. His passing numbers are off the charts 
and his touchdown production is well ahead of his Heisman rivals.

  The argument against: He lost the head-to-head matchup with Colt McCoy and 
Texas, which has made some voters take a second look. Those weak defenses he 
faced week in and week out in the Big 12 also could cost him some votes.

  Summation: For those voting on sheer numbers, Bradford is the obvious choice. 
The question is: will he be able to hold off the late-charging TimTebow.

   

  Colt McCoy

  Quarterback, Texas

  Team record: 11-1 overall, 7-1 in the Big 12.

  Total yards: 4,021 (3,445 passing, 576 rushing).

  Total touchdowns: 42 (32 passing, 10 rushing).

  The argument for: He beat Bradford head-to-head and he's a much more 
versatile quarterback than his Big 12 rival. If the Longhorns had not dropped 
an easy interception or given up a miraculous TD reception to TexasTech's 
Michael Crabtree with only seconds to go, McCoy probably would have the Heisman 
sewn up.

  The argument against: While Bradford and Tim Tebow have been playing on the 
national stage the last few weeks, McCoy has slipped almost completely off the 
radar. The Big 12 tiebreaker that sentOU to the conference title game instead 
of Texas really hurts his chances.

  Summation: OU gets to play for the national championship, but many voters 
will remember McCoy beat Bradford in their head-to-head matchup. He definitely 
has Heisman numbers - and that big win over OU on his resume.

   

  Tim Tebow

  Quarterback, Florida

  Team record: 12-1 overall, 7-1 in the SEC, defeated Alabama 31-20 in the SEC 
title game.

  Total yards: 3,079 (2,515 passing; 564 rushing).

  Total touchdowns: 40 (28 passing, 12 rushing).

  The argument for: He lived up to the emotional promise he made after the loss 
to Ole Miss, sparking the Gators' nine-game winning streak with his strong play 
and leadership. In the biggest game of the year, withUF trailing, Tebow's 
flawless fourth quarter carried the Gators to a victory over Alabama in the SEC 
title game. His versatility may be unmatched in college football.

  The argument against: The numbers aren't there like they were a year ago, and 
they are well behind the overall statistics piled up by the front-runner, 
Bradford. 

  Summation: Tebow fell off the Heisman radar after the early loss to Ole Miss, 
but his play down the stretch (especially in Atlanta last week) has has put him 
in position to possibly repeat last year's Heisman victory. UF coach Urban 
Meyer has said Tebow is one of the greatest college football players of this 
era, and many of the voters look at him the same way.

   




   


  

--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
1996 National Football Champions   |   2006 National Baske

[gatortalk] A 73-Year-Old Gives Basketball a Second Shot

[A. Leon Polhill]

This is really for the Randy One and Jerry, but I’m going back to the gym in
the morning.  Then I’m going to run the beach while snarling at Georgia this
weekend.

 

Leon

 

The NYTimes

 

December 10, 2008


A 73-Year-Old Gives Basketball a Second Shot 


By JERÉ LONGMAN
 

JACKSON, Tenn. — Before Sunday’s basketball game, Coach Yogi Woods gathered
the junior varsity at Lambuth University. Watch out for 73 on the other
team, he said. He did not mean the player’s number. He meant his age.

The visitors, Roane State Community College, had a septuagenarian guard, Ken
Mink, college basketball’s oldest player, who has started a second career
after his first ended a half century ago with a mysterious shaving-cream
incident.

If the 6-foot Mink was good enough to play, he was good enough to be
guarded, Woods told the Lambuth players. Then he turned to the freshman
Kendrick Coleman and said: “If he goes in for a layup, don’t let him have
it. If he scores on you, we will never let you forget it.”

This mixture of curiosity and macho dread has greeted Mink all season at
colleges throughout Tennessee. After all, how do you defend a guy whose
peers are generally pumping iron to supplement their blood levels, not to
build their muscles? On Nov. 3, the junior-varsity coach at King College
told one of the Roane players, whom he had coached in high school, “If the
old guy scores, we’re walking home.”

Late in that game, Mink entered and found himself open in the corner. He
gave a pump fake, and the defender ended up draped over him like raccoon
coat. Calmly, he hit both free throws. The Hack-a-Mink strategy had failed.

“I thought some teams would play along, humor him,” said Randy Nesbit, the
coach of Roane State, located in Harriman, Tenn. “No, they’re not like the
Washington Generals. They’re like sharks sensing blood.”

At home games, Mink has been a crowd favorite. Attendance, usually about 100
per game, has on occasion swelled to 400. Mink’s wife, Emilia, 68, wore a
retro cheerleader outfit to the season opener, complete with saddle shoes
and a poodle skirt. She held up a sign that said, “Ken Can, He’s Our
Medicare
  Man.”

No one has been happier than the guy who runs the Roane concession stand.

“He even put a new item on the menu, polish sausage with peppers and
onions,” Nesbit said. “It was just plain hotdogs before.”

For a guy Mink’s age, two-a-days are a likely reference to multivitamins,
not double practices. But while shooting around in a neighbor’s driveway in
the summer of 2007, he realized he still had his shooting stroke. So he sent
e-mail messages to eight tiny colleges near his home in Knoxville, Tenn.
Perhaps a small school could use a guy with an old-school push shot.

“You do realize you’re 72?” Emilia Mink asked her husband. “Do you think you
can convince someone you’re not?”

Nesbit, the Roane coach, grew intrigued. A former point guard and coach at
The Citadel
 , he kept himself in terrific shape at 50. He
was curious about the possibilities of athletic performance at an age when
Gatorade has been replaced as the sports drink of choice by Metamucil.
Still, he wanted to meet Mink before offering him a spot on the team.

“I think he wanted to make sure Ken wasn’t out on a weekend pass,” Emilia
Mink said.

Ken Mink told Nesbit a story of unfinished business: he had played at Lees
College in Jackson, Ky., only to be expelled from the then-Presbyterian
school in 1956 as his sophomore season began. His crime? Mink said he was
accused of soaping the coach’s office with shaving cream, slathering the
lights and even the coach’s shoes. 

He denied it. “I don’t even shave,” he said he told the university
president. Apparently, his alibi was not as smooth as his baby face.

“It’s been eating at him all these years,” Emilia Mink said. “Ken likes to
finish what he started.”

Marcus Mullins, a student manager on that Lees team, said he remembered Mink
as a “good, hard-nosed player, a big raw-boned kid.” (“I used to be 6-2,”
Mink said.) While he was not certain of the facts, Mullins said, the
university president at the time was a stern man who did not tolerate
prankish misbehavior.

“I know there was an incident, and suddenly he was gone,” Mullins said of
Mink. “I’m sure he’s telling the truth.”

Mink said he joined the Air Force in November 1956 and played regularly in
military tournaments for four years. He then went on to a career as a
newspaper editor, continuing to play basketball in recreation leagues. Since
retiring in 1999, he and his wife said, Mink has kept active by playing
golf, walking, hiking, skiing, even hang gliding. He has published a book,
“So, You Want Your Kid to be

[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

[A. Leon Polhill]

Proves my point.

 

 

A. Leon Polhill

FlaNative1845

330 NW 45th Street

Gainesville, FL 32607

(352) 367-4642

 

-Original Message-
From: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Robert R. Williams, PLS
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:43 PM
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

 

According to ESPN news Tebow has Maine all wraped up.

 

Go Gators

Robert R. Williams PLS

 

From: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of A. Leon Polhill 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:16 AM
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

 

Let's talk politics.  (Relax Randy One.)

 

I think Bradford and McCoy will split the Southwestern vote and Tebow will
win a plurality of all other areas of the country except for the Southeast
where he will carry a large majority.

 

Tebow wins.

 

 

A. Leon Polhill

FlaNative1845

330 NW 45th Street

Gainesville, FL 32607

(352) 367-4642

 

-Original Message-
From: gatorn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatorn...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Shane Ford
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:22 AM
To: GatorNEWS
Subject: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

 


Heisman arms race


 
 

Rob C. Witzel /Staff photographer 

Florida quarterback Tim Tebow gets the crowd fired up during the second half
of the Gators' 31-20 win against Alabama in the SEC Championship Game on
Saturday at the Georgia Dome in Atlanta, Georgia.

 

By Robbie Andreu
Gainesville Sun Staff writer

Published: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 at 6:01 a.m. 
Last Modified: Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 12:20 a.m. 

 

Sam Bradford

Quarterback, Oklahoma

Team record: 12-1 overall, 7-1 in the Big 12, defeated Missouri 62-21 in
conference championship game.

Total yards: 4,529 (4,464 passing; 65 rushing).

Total touchdowns: 53 (48 passing; five rushing).

The argument for: He's been the leader and trigger man of one of the most
explosive offenses in the history of college football, one that has scored
60 or more points in the last five games. His passing numbers are off the
charts and his touchdown production is well ahead of his Heisman rivals.

The argument against: He lost the head-to-head matchup with Colt McCoy and
Texas, which has made some voters take a second look. Those weak defenses he
faced week in and week out in the Big 12 also could cost him some votes.

Summation: For those voting on sheer numbers, Bradford is the obvious
choice. The question is: will he be able to hold off the late-charging
TimTebow.

 

Colt McCoy

Quarterback, Texas

Team record: 11-1 overall, 7-1 in the Big 12.

Total yards: 4,021 (3,445 passing, 576 rushing).

Total touchdowns: 42 (32 passing, 10 rushing).

The argument for: He beat Bradford head-to-head and he's a much more
versatile quarterback than his Big 12 rival. If the Longhorns had not
dropped an easy interception or given up a miraculous TD reception to
TexasTech's Michael Crabtree with only seconds to go, McCoy probably would
have the Heisman sewn up.

The argument against: While Bradford and Tim Tebow have been playing on the
national stage the last few weeks, McCoy has slipped almost completely off
the radar. The Big 12 tiebreaker that sentOU to the conference title game
instead of Texas really hurts his chances.

Summation: OU gets to play for the national championship, but many voters
will remember McCoy beat Bradford in their head-to-head matchup. He
definitely has Heisman numbers - and that big win over OU on his resume.

 

Tim Tebow

Quarterback, Florida

Team record: 12-1 overall, 7-1 in the SEC, defeated Alabama 31-20 in the SEC
title game.

Total yards: 3,079 (2,515 passing; 564 rushing).

Total touchdowns: 40 (28 passing, 12 rushing).

The argument for: He lived up to the emotional promise he made after the
loss to Ole Miss, sparking the Gators' nine-game winning streak with his
strong play and leadership. In the biggest game of the year, withUF
trailing, Tebow's flawless fourth quarter carried the Gators to a victory
over Alabama in the SEC title game. His versatility may be unmatched in
college football.

The argument against: The numbers aren't there like they were a year ago,
and they are well behind the overall statistics piled up by the
front-runner, Bradford. 

Summation: Tebow fell off the Heisman radar after the early loss to Ole
Miss, but his play down the stretch (especially in Atlanta last week) has
has put him in position to possibly repeat last year's Heisman victory. UF
coach Urban Meyer has said Tebow is one of the greatest college football
players of this era, and many of the voters look at him the same way.

 

 

 





--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
GATORS: ON

[gatortalk] Re: Fwd: An Alabama Fan Speaks

[Wanda Barry]

OMG!!!  That was something powerful from someone who is not a Gator.  He even 
makes opponents believe in him.  No, he's not Superman and he's not Jesus 
Christ, but he is one truly dedicated young man.  I wish he's marry one of my 
daughters :-)!!!

Wanda
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelly Tom 
  To: Tim Kelly ; Cary & Sally Center ; Barber Kevin 
  Cc: Gatortalk 
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:32 AM
  Subject: [gatortalk] Fwd: An Alabama Fan Speaks


  This is powerful. 

  Sent from my iPhone


What I saw in Atlanta" by an Alabama Fan


I saw the third quarter. I saw Tebow get sacked. I saw Florida go 3 and 
out. I saw the Tide go 91 yards in workman like fashion. I saw a helpless UF 
defense. I saw Bama tie the game. I saw UF respond by missing their only FG of 
the season. I saw Bama march again. I saw a UF team that was beat. I saw a 
defense with hands on hips gasping for breath getting absolutely trucked. I saw 
an Alabama team rolling downhill through Gator players. I saw the UF players 
give all that they had left to keep Bama out of the end zone. I saw the Tide 
take the lead heading into the 4th quarter. I saw the end of a championship 
dream. 


No way could the UF defense recover from the extended pounding they had 
just endured. With two DTs out there was simply no reserve left to call upon to 
stem the Tide. All that had been claimed pregame by the Crimson and White 
faithful about how their lines would wear UF down and control the game had come 
true. There was no hope. 

And then things changed. I saw Tebow rally his offensive teammates and take 
them down the field. Run after run after run after run after run and they had 
Bama on their heels at their own 27. A throw a run and a throw and Tim has UF 
on the doorstep. Two more runs and Demps is leaping in the endzone. Florida has 
wrested the lead away and hope is reborn, dreams live again. 

But this was not enough. Tebow leads this team, this university, not just 
its offense. He comes down the sideline toward the end zone where the Gator 
fans are thickest and exhorts them to cheer, to roar, to believe. He turns and 
runs to the special team players huddled for the upcoming kick. He slams into 
their huddle like a bowling ball knocking aside so many pins. He urged them to 
make the stop, to finish the play. And they did. He turns to the bench and gets 
in the face of his defensive teammates and makes his will theirs. He inspires 
them, he challenges them, he leads them. They face the same Bama players who 
had owned them in the third quarter, who had worn them down and controlled 
them. They faced those same Bama players and they stuffed them. Julio Jones who 
had tormented the Gators all afternoon saw a pass come his way only to have Joe 
Haden drill him so that the ball fell harmlessly to the ground. Julio would 
never see another pass. They held the line and stopped Coffee for a short gain. 
They crushed the line that had moved them at will and finally sacked Wilson. 
With the game on the line they had stuffed Bama for a 3 and out. 


Then Tim Tebow went out to win himself and the University of Florida a 
championship. Two runs and it was 3rd and short. Tebow keeps it, meets Mount 
Cody in the hole and carries all 360 pounds of him for the first down. Tebow 
throws for 33, Tebow throws for 15, Tebow runs for 5. Bama is done. Tebow 
throws the last five yards to Riley Cooper on a pass that had no room for 
imprecision resulting in the TD that made dreams into reality. I have never 
seen a single player so impose his will on both his teammates, his opponents 
and the crowd as Tim Tebow did in that fourth quarter. I am in awe. His 
teammates understand. Carl Moore: "You knew he was going to lead us to 
victory," Louis Murphy: "I have never doubted him. He's our quarterback." Jeff 
Demps: "That's Tim Tebow. That's what he does, He's been putting us on his 
shoulders ever since the Ole Miss game, but I've never seen him like he was 
today." His opponents understand too. Rashad Johnson: "He kept those guys 
motivated. He kept them in the game when they had the opportunity to give up 
and wouldn't let them." Terrence Cody: "You give him a chance, and he's going 
to beat you," 

He's not Superman. He's not unbeatable. But he will never give less than 
everything he has and he will never shy away from a challenge. He is the best 
team leader I have ever seen in college sports. He willed a victory for UF, not 
on his own, but by giving his teammates the strength to believe and an example 
to follow. And that they did.



...and THAT is why Tebow should win the Trophy.

















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[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

[Robert R. Williams, PLS]

According to ESPN news Tebow has Maine all wraped up.

 

Go Gators

Robert R. Williams PLS

 

From: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of A. Leon Polhill 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:16 AM
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

 

Let's talk politics.  (Relax Randy One.)

 

I think Bradford and McCoy will split the Southwestern vote and Tebow will
win a plurality of all other areas of the country except for the Southeast
where he will carry a large majority.

 

Tebow wins.

 

 

A. Leon Polhill

FlaNative1845

330 NW 45th Street

Gainesville, FL 32607

(352) 367-4642

 

-Original Message-
From: gatorn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatorn...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Shane Ford
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:22 AM
To: GatorNEWS
Subject: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

 


Heisman arms race


 
 

Rob C. Witzel /Staff photographer 

Florida quarterback Tim Tebow gets the crowd fired up during the second half
of the Gators' 31-20 win against Alabama in the SEC Championship Game on
Saturday at the Georgia Dome in Atlanta, Georgia.

 

By Robbie Andreu
Gainesville Sun Staff writer

Published: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 at 6:01 a.m. 
Last Modified: Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 12:20 a.m. 

 

Sam Bradford

Quarterback, Oklahoma

Team record: 12-1 overall, 7-1 in the Big 12, defeated Missouri 62-21 in
conference championship game.

Total yards: 4,529 (4,464 passing; 65 rushing).

Total touchdowns: 53 (48 passing; five rushing).

The argument for: He's been the leader and trigger man of one of the most
explosive offenses in the history of college football, one that has scored
60 or more points in the last five games. His passing numbers are off the
charts and his touchdown production is well ahead of his Heisman rivals.

The argument against: He lost the head-to-head matchup with Colt McCoy and
Texas, which has made some voters take a second look. Those weak defenses he
faced week in and week out in the Big 12 also could cost him some votes.

Summation: For those voting on sheer numbers, Bradford is the obvious
choice. The question is: will he be able to hold off the late-charging
TimTebow.

 

Colt McCoy

Quarterback, Texas

Team record: 11-1 overall, 7-1 in the Big 12.

Total yards: 4,021 (3,445 passing, 576 rushing).

Total touchdowns: 42 (32 passing, 10 rushing).

The argument for: He beat Bradford head-to-head and he's a much more
versatile quarterback than his Big 12 rival. If the Longhorns had not
dropped an easy interception or given up a miraculous TD reception to
TexasTech's Michael Crabtree with only seconds to go, McCoy probably would
have the Heisman sewn up.

The argument against: While Bradford and Tim Tebow have been playing on the
national stage the last few weeks, McCoy has slipped almost completely off
the radar. The Big 12 tiebreaker that sentOU to the conference title game
instead of Texas really hurts his chances.

Summation: OU gets to play for the national championship, but many voters
will remember McCoy beat Bradford in their head-to-head matchup. He
definitely has Heisman numbers - and that big win over OU on his resume.

 

Tim Tebow

Quarterback, Florida

Team record: 12-1 overall, 7-1 in the SEC, defeated Alabama 31-20 in the SEC
title game.

Total yards: 3,079 (2,515 passing; 564 rushing).

Total touchdowns: 40 (28 passing, 12 rushing).

The argument for: He lived up to the emotional promise he made after the
loss to Ole Miss, sparking the Gators' nine-game winning streak with his
strong play and leadership. In the biggest game of the year, withUF
trailing, Tebow's flawless fourth quarter carried the Gators to a victory
over Alabama in the SEC title game. His versatility may be unmatched in
college football.

The argument against: The numbers aren't there like they were a year ago,
and they are well behind the overall statistics piled up by the
front-runner, Bradford. 

Summation: Tebow fell off the Heisman radar after the early loss to Ole
Miss, but his play down the stretch (especially in Atlanta last week) has
has put him in position to possibly repeat last year's Heisman victory. UF
coach Urban Meyer has said Tebow is one of the greatest college football
players of this era, and many of the voters look at him the same way.

 



 


--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
1996 National Football Champions   |   2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions   |   2007 National Basketball Champions
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---

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[gatortalk] Re: According to ESPN: Mullen to Mississippi State

[Cecilia]

I agree, Jerry.  We need someone whose undivided attention is on the GATORS!

Cee
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jerry Belloit 
  To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:45 PM
  Subject: [gatortalk] Re: According to ESPN: Mullen to Mississippi State


  I actually have some mixed feelings on him staying until after the game.  I 
am not sure that I would give him that opportunity.  If he stays, assuming that 
he is human like the rest of us, he will be time-sharing at best.  He has to 
pack, move, and more importantly for him and Mississippi State, he has to 
recruit!  There are not enough hours in a day for him to do these things, much 
less for him to game plan.  Urban doesn't need distractions.

   

  Jerry

   

  From: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Gatornet Admin
  Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:20 PM
  To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
  Subject: [gatortalk] Re: According to ESPN: Mullen to Mississippi State

   

  Sigh... It was bound to happen to either him or Charlie. I just hope he 
sticks around until after the BCS game.

   

  Randy

   

- Original Message - 

From: Woody 

To: Gatortalk 

Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:02 PM

Subject: [gatortalk] According to ESPN: Mullen to Mississippi State

 

Sooo...  hows everyone feel about this?

 

Woody

[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

[A. Leon Polhill]

Yes.but, Tebow will win.

 

 

A. Leon Polhill

FlaNative1845

330 NW 45th Street

Gainesville, FL 32607

(352) 367-4642

 

-Original Message-
From: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steve McKibben
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:43 PM
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

 


There is a fly in this ointment...

If voters only chose one candidate this could very well be a runaway victory
for our boy.  But they must place the candidates in order from 1st to 3rd
place.

Voters from the Big 12 region that think these inflated QB production
numbers are due to superior skills will likely vote either Bradford or McCoy
1st, the other one 2nd, and Tebow 3rd.  

Tebow voters will have him first, then one or the other 2nd and/or 3rd.

If either Bradford or McCoy get a lion's share of the 1st place votes from
the Big 12 area voters Tim could end up with the most first place votes, but
lose due to being voted third on so many ballots.  Tebow's best chance is
for the voters that have him 3rd on their ballots to be close to evenly
split between McCoy and Bradford for 1st.


--- On Thu, 12/11/08, A. Leon Polhill  wrote:

From: A. Leon Polhill 
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 12:34 PM

Now you have to admit.I know my politics.  It's a shoo-in.

 

p.s.  I forgot to mention the tendency of fellow Heisman winners to vote for
one of their own.  Bingo!  I'm a winner.

 

 

A. Leon Polhill

FlaNative1845

330 NW 45th Street

Gainesville, FL 32607

(352) 367-4642

 

-Original Message-
From: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Gatornet Admin
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 11:21 AM
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

 

Very possible.

 

Randy

 

- Original Message - 

From:   A. Leon Polhill 

To:   Gatortalk@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:15 AM

Subject: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

 

Let's talk politics.  (Relax Randy One.)

 

I think Bradford and McCoy will split the Southwestern vote and Tebow will
win a plurality of all other areas of the country except for the Southeast
where he will carry a large majority.

 

Tebow wins.

 

 

A. Leon Polhill

FlaNative1845

330 NW 45th Street

Gainesville, FL 32607

(352) 367-4642

 

-Original Message-
From: gatorn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatorn...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Shane Ford
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:22 AM
To: GatorNEWS
Subject: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

 


Heisman arms race


 
 

 
 

Rob C. Witzel /Staff photographer 

Florida quarterback Tim Tebow gets the crowd fired up during the second half
of the Gators' 31-20 win against Alabama in the SEC Championship Game on
Saturday at the Georgia Dome in Atlanta , Georgia .

 

By Robbie Andreu
Gainesville Sun Staff writer

Published: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 at 6:01 a.m. 
Last Modified: Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 12:20 a.m. 

 

Sam Bradford

Quarterback, Oklahoma

Team record: 12-1 overall, 7-1 in the Big 12, defeated Missouri 62-21 in
conference championship game.

Total yards: 4,529 (4,464 passing; 65 rushing).

Total touchdowns: 53 (48 passing; five rushing).

The argument for: He's been the leader and trigger man of one of the most
explosive offenses in the history of college football, one that has scored
60 or more points in the last five games. His passing numbers are off the
charts and his touchdown production is well ahead of his Heisman rivals.

The argument against: He lost the head-to-head matchup with Colt McCoy and
Texas , which has made some voters take a second look. Those weak defenses
he faced week in and week out in the Big 12 also could cost him some votes.

Summation: For those voting on sheer numbers, Bradford is the obvious
choice. The question is: will he be able to hold off the late-charging
TimTebow.

 

Colt McCoy

Quarterback, Texas

Team record: 11-1 overall, 7-1 in the Big 12.

Total yards: 4,021 (3,445 passing, 576 rushing).

Total touchdowns: 42 (32 passing, 10 rushing).

The argument for: He beat Bradford head-to-head and he's a much more
versatile quarterback than his Big 12 rival. If the Longhorns had not
dropped an easy interception or given up a miraculous TD reception to
TexasTech's Michael Crabtree with only seconds to go, McCoy probably would
have the Heisman sewn up.

The argument against: While Bradford and Tim Tebow have been p

[gatortalk] Re: Playoff simulation on ESPN.com

[Oliver Barry]

Very cool indeed!!  My first attempt had the Gators beating USC in the
championship game.

 

 

Oliver Barry, CRS, GRI

Real Estate Broker

Halo Realty, LLC

700 E. Main St.

Hendersonville TN 37075

oba...@haloprop.com

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fax: 615-822-7741

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From: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of dbadr...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:38 PM
To: gatortalk
Subject: [gatortalk] Playoff simulation on ESPN.com

 

Very Cool!

http://proxy.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls08/bracket



--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
1996 National Football Champions   |   2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions   |   2007 National Basketball Champions
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---

<>

[gatortalk] Playoff simulation on ESPN.com

[dbadr...@gmail.com]

Very Cool!

http://proxy.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls08/bracket

--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
1996 National Football Champions   |   2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions   |   2007 National Basketball Champions
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---

[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

[Steve McKibben]

There is a fly in this ointment...If voters only chose one candidate this could very well be a runaway victory for our boy.  But they must place the candidates in order from 1st to 3rd place.Voters from the Big 12 region that think these inflated QB production numbers are due to superior skills will likely vote either Bradford or McCoy 1st, the other one 2nd, and Tebow 3rd.  Tebow voters will have him first, then one or the other 2nd and/or 3rd.If either Bradford or McCoy get a lion's share of the 1st place votes from the Big 12 area voters Tim could end up with the most first place votes, but lose due to being voted third on so many ballots.  Tebow's best chance is for the voters that have him 3rd on their ballots to be close to evenly split between McCoy and Bradford for 1st.--- On Thu, 12/11/08,
 A. Leon Polhill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:From: A. Leon Polhill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]:  Heisman arms race  (Andreu)To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.comDate: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 12:34 PM



 


 





Now you have to admit…I know my politics. 
It’s a shoo-in.

 

p.s.  I forgot to mention the tendency of
fellow Heisman winners to vote for one of their own.  Bingo!  I’m a
winner.

 



 

A.
Leon Polhill

FlaNative1845

330 NW 45th Street

Gainesville, FL 32607

(352) 367-4642



 



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Of Gatornet Admin
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008
11:21 AM
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Very possible.





 





Randy





 







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From: A. Leon
Polhill 





To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com






Sent: Thursday, December
11, 2008 10:15 AM





Subject: [gatortalk] RE:
[gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)





 



Let’s
talk politics.  (Relax Randy One.)

 

I think Bradford and McCoy will split the
Southwestern vote and Tebow will win a plurality of all other areas of the
country except for the Southeast where he will carry a large majority.

 

Tebow wins.

 



 

A.
Leon Polhill

FlaNative1845

330 NW 45th Street

Gainesville, FL 32607

(352) 367-4642



 



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Shane Ford
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008
8:22 AM
To: GatorNEWS
Subject: [gatornews] [SUN]:
Heisman arms race (Andreu)

 



Heisman
arms race





Rob C. Witzel /Staff photographer 

Florida quarterback Tim Tebow gets the
crowd fired up during the second half of the Gators' 31-20 win against Alabama 
in the SEC Championship Game on Saturday at the Georgia Dome in Atlanta ,
 Georgia .

 



By Robbie Andreu
Gainesville Sun Staff writer

Published: Wednesday,
December 10, 2008 at 6:01 a.m. 
Last Modified: Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 12:20 a.m. 

 



Sam Bradford

Quarterback,
 Oklahoma 

Team record: 12-1 overall, 7-1 in the Big
12, defeated Missouri 
62-21 in conference championship game.

Total yards: 4,529 (4,464 passing; 65
rushing).

Total touchdowns: 53 (48 passing; five
rushing).

The argument for: He's been the leader and
trigger man of one of the most explosive offenses in the history of college
football, one that has scored 60 or more points in the last five games. His
passing numbers are off the charts and his touchdown production is well ahead of
his Heisman rivals.

The argument against: He lost the
head-to-head matchup with Colt McCoy and Texas ,
which has made some voters take a second look. Those weak defenses he faced
week in and week out in the Big 12 also could cost him some votes.

Summation: For those voting on sheer
numbers, Bradford is the obvious choice. The
question is: will he be able to hold off the late-charging TimTebow.

 

Colt McCoy

Quarterback, Texas 

Team record: 11-1 overall, 7-1 in the Big
12.

Total yards: 4,021 (3,445 passing, 576
rushing).

Total touchdowns: 42 (32 passing, 10
rushing).

The argument for: He beat Bradford 
head-to-head and he's a much more versatile quarterback than his Big 12 rival.
If the Longhorns had not dropped an easy interception or given up a miraculous
TD reception to TexasTech's Michael Crabtree with only seconds to go, McCoy
probably would have the Heisman sewn up.

The argument against: While Bradford and
Tim Tebow have been playing on the national stage the last few weeks, McCoy has
slipped almost completely off the radar. The Big 12 tiebreaker that sentOU to
the conference title game instead of Texas 
really hurts his chances.

Summation: OU gets to play for the national
championship, but many voters will remember McCoy beat Bradford 
in their head-to-head matchup. He definitely has Heisman numbers - and that big
win over OU on his resume.

 

Tim Tebow

Quarterback, Florida 

Team record: 12-1 overall, 7-1 in the SEC,
defeated Alabama 
31-20 in the SEC title game.

Total yards: 3,079 (2,515 passing; 564
rushing).

Total touchdowns: 40 (28 passin

[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

[A. Leon Polhill]

Now you have to admit.I know my politics.  It's a shoo-in.

 

p.s.  I forgot to mention the tendency of fellow Heisman winners to vote for
one of their own.  Bingo!  I'm a winner.

 

 

A. Leon Polhill

FlaNative1845

330 NW 45th Street

Gainesville, FL 32607

(352) 367-4642

 

-Original Message-
From: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gatornet Admin
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 11:21 AM
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

 

Very possible.

 

Randy

 

- Original Message - 

From: A. Leon   Polhill 

To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:15 AM

Subject: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

 

Let's talk politics.  (Relax Randy One.)

 

I think Bradford and McCoy will split the Southwestern vote and Tebow will
win a plurality of all other areas of the country except for the Southeast
where he will carry a large majority.

 

Tebow wins.

 

 

A. Leon Polhill

FlaNative1845

330 NW 45th Street

Gainesville, FL 32607

(352) 367-4642

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Shane Ford
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:22 AM
To: GatorNEWS
Subject: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

 


Heisman arms race


 
 

 
 

Rob C. Witzel /Staff photographer 

Florida quarterback Tim Tebow gets the crowd fired up during the second half
of the Gators' 31-20 win against Alabama in the SEC Championship Game on
Saturday at the Georgia Dome in Atlanta, Georgia.

 

By Robbie Andreu
Gainesville Sun Staff writer

Published: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 at 6:01 a.m. 
Last Modified: Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 12:20 a.m. 

 

Sam Bradford

Quarterback, Oklahoma

Team record: 12-1 overall, 7-1 in the Big 12, defeated Missouri 62-21 in
conference championship game.

Total yards: 4,529 (4,464 passing; 65 rushing).

Total touchdowns: 53 (48 passing; five rushing).

The argument for: He's been the leader and trigger man of one of the most
explosive offenses in the history of college football, one that has scored
60 or more points in the last five games. His passing numbers are off the
charts and his touchdown production is well ahead of his Heisman rivals.

The argument against: He lost the head-to-head matchup with Colt McCoy and
Texas, which has made some voters take a second look. Those weak defenses he
faced week in and week out in the Big 12 also could cost him some votes.

Summation: For those voting on sheer numbers, Bradford is the obvious
choice. The question is: will he be able to hold off the late-charging
TimTebow.

 

Colt McCoy

Quarterback, Texas

Team record: 11-1 overall, 7-1 in the Big 12.

Total yards: 4,021 (3,445 passing, 576 rushing).

Total touchdowns: 42 (32 passing, 10 rushing).

The argument for: He beat Bradford head-to-head and he's a much more
versatile quarterback than his Big 12 rival. If the Longhorns had not
dropped an easy interception or given up a miraculous TD reception to
TexasTech's Michael Crabtree with only seconds to go, McCoy probably would
have the Heisman sewn up.

The argument against: While Bradford and Tim Tebow have been playing on the
national stage the last few weeks, McCoy has slipped almost completely off
the radar. The Big 12 tiebreaker that sentOU to the conference title game
instead of Texas really hurts his chances.

Summation: OU gets to play for the national championship, but many voters
will remember McCoy beat Bradford in their head-to-head matchup. He
definitely has Heisman numbers - and that big win over OU on his resume.

 

Tim Tebow

Quarterback, Florida

Team record: 12-1 overall, 7-1 in the SEC, defeated Alabama 31-20 in the SEC
title game.

Total yards: 3,079 (2,515 passing; 564 rushing).

Total touchdowns: 40 (28 passing, 12 rushing).

The argument for: He lived up to the emotional promise he made after the
loss to Ole Miss, sparking the Gators' nine-game winning streak with his
strong play and leadership. In the biggest game of the year, withUF
trailing, Tebow's flawless fourth quarter carried the Gators to a victory
over Alabama in the SEC title game. His versatility may be unmatched in
college football.

The argument against: The numbers aren't there like they were a year ago,
and they are well behind the overall statistics piled up by the
front-runner, Bradford. 

Summation: Tebow fell off the Heisman radar after the early loss to Ole
Miss, but his play down the stretch (especially in Atlanta last week) has
has put him in position to possibly repeat last year's Heisman victory. UF
coach Urban Meyer has said Tebow is one of the greatest college football
player

[gatortalk] Re: According to ESPN: Mullen to Mississippi State

[A. Leon Polhill]

Jerry, you are right.

 

Randy, please make a recording of this event.

 

 

A. Leon Polhill

FlaNative1845

330 NW 45th Street

Gainesville, FL 32607

(352) 367-4642

 

-Original Message-
From: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jerry Belloit
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:46 PM
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: According to ESPN: Mullen to Mississippi State

 

I actually have some mixed feelings on him staying until after the game.  I
am not sure that I would give him that opportunity.  If he stays, assuming
that he is human like the rest of us, he will be time-sharing at best.  He
has to pack, move, and more importantly for him and Mississippi State, he
has to recruit!  There are not enough hours in a day for him to do these
things, much less for him to game plan.  Urban doesn't need distractions.

 

Jerry

 

From: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gatornet Admin
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:20 PM
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: According to ESPN: Mullen to Mississippi State

 

Sigh... It was bound to happen to either him or Charlie. I just hope he
sticks around until after the BCS game.

 

Randy

 

- Original Message - 

From: Woody   

To: Gatortalk   

Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:02 PM

Subject: [gatortalk] According to ESPN: Mullen to Mississippi State

 

Sooo...  hows everyone feel about this?

 

Woody

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[gatortalk] Re: Fwd: An Alabama Fan Speaks

[Gatornet Admin]

Very good. I think it's possible that it WAS written by a Bama fan. All of the 
Tennessee fans I've talked to hate UF, but are incredibly complimentary of 
Tebow. He has a LOT of fans not just at UF, but all over the SEC and the nation.

Randy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelly Tom 
  To: Tim Kelly ; Cary & Sally Center ; Barber Kevin 
  Cc: Gatortalk 
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:32 AM
  Subject: [gatortalk] Fwd: An Alabama Fan Speaks


  This is powerful. 

  Sent from my iPhone


What I saw in Atlanta" by an Alabama Fan


I saw the third quarter. I saw Tebow get sacked. I saw Florida go 3 and 
out. I saw the Tide go 91 yards in workman like fashion. I saw a helpless UF 
defense. I saw Bama tie the game. I saw UF respond by missing their only FG of 
the season. I saw Bama march again. I saw a UF team that was beat. I saw a 
defense with hands on hips gasping for breath getting absolutely trucked. I saw 
an Alabama team rolling downhill through Gator players. I saw the UF players 
give all that they had left to keep Bama out of the end zone. I saw the Tide 
take the lead heading into the 4th quarter. I saw the end of a championship 
dream. 


No way could the UF defense recover from the extended pounding they had 
just endured. With two DTs out there was simply no reserve left to call upon to 
stem the Tide. All that had been claimed pregame by the Crimson and White 
faithful about how their lines would wear UF down and control the game had come 
true. There was no hope. 

And then things changed. I saw Tebow rally his offensive teammates and take 
them down the field. Run after run after run after run after run and they had 
Bama on their heels at their own 27. A throw a run and a throw and Tim has UF 
on the doorstep. Two more runs and Demps is leaping in the endzone. Florida has 
wrested the lead away and hope is reborn, dreams live again. 

But this was not enough. Tebow leads this team, this university, not just 
its offense. He comes down the sideline toward the end zone where the Gator 
fans are thickest and exhorts them to cheer, to roar, to believe. He turns and 
runs to the special team players huddled for the upcoming kick. He slams into 
their huddle like a bowling ball knocking aside so many pins. He urged them to 
make the stop, to finish the play. And they did. He turns to the bench and gets 
in the face of his defensive teammates and makes his will theirs. He inspires 
them, he challenges them, he leads them. They face the same Bama players who 
had owned them in the third quarter, who had worn them down and controlled 
them. They faced those same Bama players and they stuffed them. Julio Jones who 
had tormented the Gators all afternoon saw a pass come his way only to have Joe 
Haden drill him so that the ball fell harmlessly to the ground. Julio would 
never see another pass. They held the line and stopped Coffee for a short gain. 
They crushed the line that had moved them at will and finally sacked Wilson. 
With the game on the line they had stuffed Bama for a 3 and out. 


Then Tim Tebow went out to win himself and the University of Florida a 
championship. Two runs and it was 3rd and short. Tebow keeps it, meets Mount 
Cody in the hole and carries all 360 pounds of him for the first down. Tebow 
throws for 33, Tebow throws for 15, Tebow runs for 5. Bama is done. Tebow 
throws the last five yards to Riley Cooper on a pass that had no room for 
imprecision resulting in the TD that made dreams into reality. I have never 
seen a single player so impose his will on both his teammates, his opponents 
and the crowd as Tim Tebow did in that fourth quarter. I am in awe. His 
teammates understand. Carl Moore: "You knew he was going to lead us to 
victory," Louis Murphy: "I have never doubted him. He's our quarterback." Jeff 
Demps: "That's Tim Tebow. That's what he does, He's been putting us on his 
shoulders ever since the Ole Miss game, but I've never seen him like he was 
today." His opponents understand too. Rashad Johnson: "He kept those guys 
motivated. He kept them in the game when they had the opportunity to give up 
and wouldn't let them." Terrence Cody: "You give him a chance, and he's going 
to beat you," 

He's not Superman. He's not unbeatable. But he will never give less than 
everything he has and he will never shy away from a challenge. He is the best 
team leader I have ever seen in college sports. He willed a victory for UF, not 
on his own, but by giving his teammates the strength to believe and an example 
to follow. And that they did.



...and THAT is why Tebow should win the Trophy.

















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[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

[Gatornet Admin]

Very possible.

Randy

  - Original Message - 
  From: A. Leon Polhill 
  To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:15 AM
  Subject: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)


  Let's talk politics.  (Relax Randy One.)



  I think Bradford and McCoy will split the Southwestern vote and Tebow will 
win a plurality of all other areas of the country except for the Southeast 
where he will carry a large majority.



  Tebow wins.





  A. Leon Polhill

  FlaNative1845

  330 NW 45th Street

  Gainesville, FL 32607

  (352) 367-4642



  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shane Ford
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:22 AM
  To: GatorNEWS
  Subject: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)



  Heisman arms race



  Rob C. Witzel /Staff photographer 

  Florida quarterback Tim Tebow gets the crowd fired up during the second half 
of the Gators' 31-20 win against Alabama in the SEC Championship Game on 
Saturday at the Georgia Dome in Atlanta, Georgia.



  By Robbie Andreu
  Gainesville Sun Staff writer

  Published: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 at 6:01 a.m. 
  Last Modified: Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 12:20 a.m. 



  Sam Bradford

  Quarterback, Oklahoma

  Team record: 12-1 overall, 7-1 in the Big 12, defeated Missouri 62-21 in 
conference championship game.

  Total yards: 4,529 (4,464 passing; 65 rushing).

  Total touchdowns: 53 (48 passing; five rushing).

  The argument for: He's been the leader and trigger man of one of the most 
explosive offenses in the history of college football, one that has scored 60 
or more points in the last five games. His passing numbers are off the charts 
and his touchdown production is well ahead of his Heisman rivals.

  The argument against: He lost the head-to-head matchup with Colt McCoy and 
Texas, which has made some voters take a second look. Those weak defenses he 
faced week in and week out in the Big 12 also could cost him some votes.

  Summation: For those voting on sheer numbers, Bradford is the obvious choice. 
The question is: will he be able to hold off the late-charging TimTebow.



  Colt McCoy

  Quarterback, Texas

  Team record: 11-1 overall, 7-1 in the Big 12.

  Total yards: 4,021 (3,445 passing, 576 rushing).

  Total touchdowns: 42 (32 passing, 10 rushing).

  The argument for: He beat Bradford head-to-head and he's a much more 
versatile quarterback than his Big 12 rival. If the Longhorns had not dropped 
an easy interception or given up a miraculous TD reception to TexasTech's 
Michael Crabtree with only seconds to go, McCoy probably would have the Heisman 
sewn up.

  The argument against: While Bradford and Tim Tebow have been playing on the 
national stage the last few weeks, McCoy has slipped almost completely off the 
radar. The Big 12 tiebreaker that sentOU to the conference title game instead 
of Texas really hurts his chances.

  Summation: OU gets to play for the national championship, but many voters 
will remember McCoy beat Bradford in their head-to-head matchup. He definitely 
has Heisman numbers - and that big win over OU on his resume.



  Tim Tebow

  Quarterback, Florida

  Team record: 12-1 overall, 7-1 in the SEC, defeated Alabama 31-20 in the SEC 
title game.

  Total yards: 3,079 (2,515 passing; 564 rushing).

  Total touchdowns: 40 (28 passing, 12 rushing).

  The argument for: He lived up to the emotional promise he made after the loss 
to Ole Miss, sparking the Gators' nine-game winning streak with his strong play 
and leadership. In the biggest game of the year, withUF trailing, Tebow's 
flawless fourth quarter carried the Gators to a victory over Alabama in the SEC 
title game. His versatility may be unmatched in college football.

  The argument against: The numbers aren't there like they were a year ago, and 
they are well behind the overall statistics piled up by the front-runner, 
Bradford. 

  Summation: Tebow fell off the Heisman radar after the early loss to Ole Miss, 
but his play down the stretch (especially in Atlanta last week) has has put him 
in position to possibly repeat last year's Heisman victory. UF coach Urban 
Meyer has said Tebow is one of the greatest college football players of this 
era, and many of the voters look at him the same way.




  

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[gatortalk] Re: Fwd: An Alabama Fan Speaks

[John Vega]

It could have been Saban.

-Zeb

On Dec 11, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Steve McKibben wrote:

> That's good stuff - but I believe there's enough in there to infer  
> that it's a Florida fan, not an Alabama fan .
>
> --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Kelly Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> This is powerful.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> What I saw in Atlanta " by an Alabama Fan
>>


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[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

[kenb23]

The question is:

Is it better for the Gators if Tebow wins, or would it be better if Bradford 
wins?

I am thinking about motivation for the game.  There is no question in my mind 
that Tim deserves to win.

Go Gators

Ken B. (NYC Gator)

Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed

-Original Message-
From: "A. Leon Polhill " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:15:47 
To: 
Subject: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] [SUN]:  Heisman arms race  (Andreu)


Let's talk politics.  (Relax Randy One.)

 

I think Bradford and McCoy will split the Southwestern vote and Tebow will
win a plurality of all other areas of the country except for the Southeast
where he will carry a large majority.

 

Tebow wins.

 

 

A. Leon Polhill

FlaNative1845

330 NW 45th Street

Gainesville, FL 32607

(352) 367-4642

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Shane Ford
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:22 AM
To: GatorNEWS
Subject: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

 


Heisman arms race


 
 

 
 

Rob C. Witzel /Staff photographer 

Florida quarterback Tim Tebow gets the crowd fired up during the second half
of the Gators' 31-20 win against Alabama in the SEC Championship Game on
Saturday at the Georgia Dome in Atlanta, Georgia.

 

By Robbie Andreu
Gainesville Sun Staff writer

Published: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 at 6:01 a.m. 
Last Modified: Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 12:20 a.m. 

 

Sam Bradford

Quarterback, Oklahoma

Team record: 12-1 overall, 7-1 in the Big 12, defeated Missouri 62-21 in
conference championship game.

Total yards: 4,529 (4,464 passing; 65 rushing).

Total touchdowns: 53 (48 passing; five rushing).

The argument for: He's been the leader and trigger man of one of the most
explosive offenses in the history of college football, one that has scored
60 or more points in the last five games. His passing numbers are off the
charts and his touchdown production is well ahead of his Heisman rivals.

The argument against: He lost the head-to-head matchup with Colt McCoy and
Texas, which has made some voters take a second look. Those weak defenses he
faced week in and week out in the Big 12 also could cost him some votes.

Summation: For those voting on sheer numbers, Bradford is the obvious
choice. The question is: will he be able to hold off the late-charging
TimTebow.

 

Colt McCoy

Quarterback, Texas

Team record: 11-1 overall, 7-1 in the Big 12.

Total yards: 4,021 (3,445 passing, 576 rushing).

Total touchdowns: 42 (32 passing, 10 rushing).

The argument for: He beat Bradford head-to-head and he's a much more
versatile quarterback than his Big 12 rival. If the Longhorns had not
dropped an easy interception or given up a miraculous TD reception to
TexasTech's Michael Crabtree with only seconds to go, McCoy probably would
have the Heisman sewn up.

The argument against: While Bradford and Tim Tebow have been playing on the
national stage the last few weeks, McCoy has slipped almost completely off
the radar. The Big 12 tiebreaker that sentOU to the conference title game
instead of Texas really hurts his chances.

Summation: OU gets to play for the national championship, but many voters
will remember McCoy beat Bradford in their head-to-head matchup. He
definitely has Heisman numbers - and that big win over OU on his resume.

 

Tim Tebow

Quarterback, Florida

Team record: 12-1 overall, 7-1 in the SEC, defeated Alabama 31-20 in the SEC
title game.

Total yards: 3,079 (2,515 passing; 564 rushing).

Total touchdowns: 40 (28 passing, 12 rushing).

The argument for: He lived up to the emotional promise he made after the
loss to Ole Miss, sparking the Gators' nine-game winning streak with his
strong play and leadership. In the biggest game of the year, withUF
trailing, Tebow's flawless fourth quarter carried the Gators to a victory
over Alabama in the SEC title game. His versatility may be unmatched in
college football.

The argument against: The numbers aren't there like they were a year ago,
and they are well behind the overall statistics piled up by the
front-runner, Bradford. 

Summation: Tebow fell off the Heisman radar after the early loss to Ole
Miss, but his play down the stretch (especially in Atlanta last week) has
has put him in position to possibly repeat last year's Heisman victory. UF
coach Urban Meyer has said Tebow is one of the greatest college football
players of this era, and many of the voters look at him the same way.

 





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[gatortalk] Re: Rumors of Strong to UCF

[Gatornet Admin]

True, and he runs a spread offense.

Randy Lyons
Sent wirelessly 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:33 AM
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Rumors of Strong to UCF

I hear Tony Franklin is available . . . .

;-)

Go Gators

Ken B. (NYC Gator)
Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:14:56 +
To: 
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Rumors of Strong to UCF
Ed,

I agree.. but heres the problem. Kyle Whittingham I believe was the OC when 
Meyer was at Utah. I believe the OC that was at Bowling Green under Meyer.. 
stayed at Bowling Green when Meyer left. Now Mullen is going to Miss St. 
Everyone who RAN this particular offense has moved on. Mullen was 
always the common denominator. 

Now am i saying we are doomed... no... I think we'll see little different 
version of what we are running though. Im not sure I foresee a total overhaul. 
I wouldnt be surprised if we saw a lil more "typical nfl" style offense going 
forward or a hybrid thereof.

And I think Jerry is right though... a NFL caliber QB coach will help.. 
especially with recruiting because they are saying over and over again that 
Tebow will be forever compared to Alex Smith and it will hurt him in the draft. 
Even though I dont think there is really any comparison between the two.. I 
personally think Tebow is a much better QB than Alex Smith was... 

Woody

On Dec 10, 2008 11:04pm, Ed Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> change other than the personality of the new OC.  
> 
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> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> 
> 
> From: 
> 
> Jerry 
> 
> Belloit 
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> 
> To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
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> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:55 
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> PM
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> Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Rumors of Strong 
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> While 
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> Jerry
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> From: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 4:23 
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> PM
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>  
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> I think its certainly an 
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> x-factor in the back of Timmy's mind for sure. I hate to even suggest it.. 
> but 
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> if we have a total outside that Tebow is not familiar with (and vice versa).. 
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> and we know with pretty good certainty that Brantley is the next guy in 
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> line... it may work out to UF's benefit for Brantley to have a couple of 
> years 
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> under the same guy. 
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> Not saying I WANT that to happen.. I would LOVE 
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> Tebow to come back... but for the most part.. wouldnt he have to start all 
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> over again with a new OC? I dont see him wanting to go through that. If its a 
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> insider thats promoted (i think perhaps unlikely)... he would probably 
> stay... 
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> Woody 
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> On Dec 10, 2008 4:06pm, Gatornet Admin 
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FW: [gatortalk] Re: According to ESPN: Mullen to Mississippi State

[Oliver Barry]

ROTFL!
Oliver 

-Original Message-
From: Scott Lucas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 1:39 PM
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: According to ESPN: Mullen to Mississippi State


he is dead to me.


--- John Vega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On Dec 10, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Woody wrote:
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> > Sooo...  hows everyone feel about this?
> >
> > Woody
> 
> Makes it tough to focus on the task at hand.
> 
> -Zeb
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> 




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[gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

[A. Leon Polhill]

Let's talk politics.  (Relax Randy One.)

 

I think Bradford and McCoy will split the Southwestern vote and Tebow will
win a plurality of all other areas of the country except for the Southeast
where he will carry a large majority.

 

Tebow wins.

 

 

A. Leon Polhill

FlaNative1845

330 NW 45th Street

Gainesville, FL 32607

(352) 367-4642

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Shane Ford
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:22 AM
To: GatorNEWS
Subject: [gatornews] [SUN]: Heisman arms race (Andreu)

 


Heisman arms race


 
 

 
 

Rob C. Witzel /Staff photographer 

Florida quarterback Tim Tebow gets the crowd fired up during the second half
of the Gators' 31-20 win against Alabama in the SEC Championship Game on
Saturday at the Georgia Dome in Atlanta, Georgia.

 

By Robbie Andreu
Gainesville Sun Staff writer

Published: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 at 6:01 a.m. 
Last Modified: Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 12:20 a.m. 

 

Sam Bradford

Quarterback, Oklahoma

Team record: 12-1 overall, 7-1 in the Big 12, defeated Missouri 62-21 in
conference championship game.

Total yards: 4,529 (4,464 passing; 65 rushing).

Total touchdowns: 53 (48 passing; five rushing).

The argument for: He's been the leader and trigger man of one of the most
explosive offenses in the history of college football, one that has scored
60 or more points in the last five games. His passing numbers are off the
charts and his touchdown production is well ahead of his Heisman rivals.

The argument against: He lost the head-to-head matchup with Colt McCoy and
Texas, which has made some voters take a second look. Those weak defenses he
faced week in and week out in the Big 12 also could cost him some votes.

Summation: For those voting on sheer numbers, Bradford is the obvious
choice. The question is: will he be able to hold off the late-charging
TimTebow.

 

Colt McCoy

Quarterback, Texas

Team record: 11-1 overall, 7-1 in the Big 12.

Total yards: 4,021 (3,445 passing, 576 rushing).

Total touchdowns: 42 (32 passing, 10 rushing).

The argument for: He beat Bradford head-to-head and he's a much more
versatile quarterback than his Big 12 rival. If the Longhorns had not
dropped an easy interception or given up a miraculous TD reception to
TexasTech's Michael Crabtree with only seconds to go, McCoy probably would
have the Heisman sewn up.

The argument against: While Bradford and Tim Tebow have been playing on the
national stage the last few weeks, McCoy has slipped almost completely off
the radar. The Big 12 tiebreaker that sentOU to the conference title game
instead of Texas really hurts his chances.

Summation: OU gets to play for the national championship, but many voters
will remember McCoy beat Bradford in their head-to-head matchup. He
definitely has Heisman numbers - and that big win over OU on his resume.

 

Tim Tebow

Quarterback, Florida

Team record: 12-1 overall, 7-1 in the SEC, defeated Alabama 31-20 in the SEC
title game.

Total yards: 3,079 (2,515 passing; 564 rushing).

Total touchdowns: 40 (28 passing, 12 rushing).

The argument for: He lived up to the emotional promise he made after the
loss to Ole Miss, sparking the Gators' nine-game winning streak with his
strong play and leadership. In the biggest game of the year, withUF
trailing, Tebow's flawless fourth quarter carried the Gators to a victory
over Alabama in the SEC title game. His versatility may be unmatched in
college football.

The argument against: The numbers aren't there like they were a year ago,
and they are well behind the overall statistics piled up by the
front-runner, Bradford. 

Summation: Tebow fell off the Heisman radar after the early loss to Ole
Miss, but his play down the stretch (especially in Atlanta last week) has
has put him in position to possibly repeat last year's Heisman victory. UF
coach Urban Meyer has said Tebow is one of the greatest college football
players of this era, and many of the voters look at him the same way.

 


--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
1996 National Football Champions   |   2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions   |   2007 National Basketball Champions
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---

<>

[gatortalk] Re: Fwd: An Alabama Fan Speaks

[Steve McKibben]

That's good stuff - but I believe there's enough in there to infer that it's a 
Florida fan, not an Alabama fan .

--- On Thu, 12/11/08, Kelly Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


This is powerful. 

Sent from my iPhone

   

What I saw in Atlanta " by an
Alabama Fan





I saw the third quarter. I saw Tebow get sacked. I saw Florida go 3 and out. I 
saw the Tide go 91
yards in workman like fashion. I saw a helpless UF defense. I saw Bama tie the
game. I saw UF respond by missing their only FG of the season. I saw Bama march
again. I saw a UF team that was beat. I saw a defense with hands on hips
gasping for breath getting absolutely trucked. I saw an Alabama team rolling 
downhill through Gator
players. I saw the UF players give all that they had left to keep Bama out of
the end zone. I saw the Tide take the lead heading into the 4th quarter. I saw
the end of a championship dream. 





No way could the UF defense recover from the extended pounding they had just
endured. With two DTs out there was simply no reserve left to call upon to stem
the Tide. All that had been claimed pregame by the Crimson and White faithful
about how their lines would wear UF down and control the game had come true.
There was no hope. 



And then things changed. I saw Tebow rally his offensive teammates and take
them down the field. Run after run after run after run after run and they had
Bama on their heels at their own 27. A throw a run and a throw and Tim has UF
on the doorstep. Two more runs and Demps is leaping in the endzone. Florida has 
wrested the
lead away and hope is reborn, dreams live again. 



But this was not enough. Tebow leads this team, this university, not just its
offense. He comes down the sideline toward the end zone where the Gator fans
are thickest and exhorts them to cheer, to roar, to believe. He turns and runs
to the special team players huddled for the upcoming kick. He slams into their
huddle like a bowling ball knocking aside so many pins. He urged them to make
the stop, to finish the play. And they did. He turns to the bench and gets in
the face of his defensive teammates and makes his will theirs. He inspires
them, he challenges them, he leads them. They face the same Bama players who
had owned them in the third quarter, who had worn them down and controlled
them. They faced those same Bama players and they stuffed them. Julio Jones who
had tormented the Gators all afternoon saw a pass come his way only to have Joe
Haden drill him so that the ball fell harmlessly to the ground. Julio would
never see another pass. They held the line and stopped Coffee for a short gain.
They crushed the line that had moved them at will and finally sacked Wilson . 
With the game on
the line they had stuffed Bama for a 3 and out. 





Then Tim Tebow went out to win himself and the University of Florida 
a championship. Two runs and it was 3rd and short. Tebow keeps it, meets Mount 
Cody 
in the hole and carries all 360 pounds of him for the first down. Tebow throws
for 33, Tebow throws for 15, Tebow runs for 5. Bama is done. Tebow throws the
last five yards to Riley Cooper on a pass that had no room for imprecision
resulting in the TD that made dreams into reality. I have never seen a single
player so impose his will on both his teammates, his opponents and the crowd as
Tim Tebow did in that fourth quarter. I am in awe. His teammates understand.
Carl Moore: "You knew he was going to lead us to victory," Louis
Murphy: "I have never doubted him. He's our quarterback." Jeff Demps:
"That's Tim Tebow. That's what he does, He's been putting us on his
shoulders ever since the Ole Miss game, but I've never seen him like he was
today." His opponents understand too. Rashad Johnson: "He kept those
guys motivated. He kept them in the game when they had the opportunity to give
up and wouldn't let them." Terrence Cody: "You give him a chance, and
he's going to beat you," 



He's not Superman. He's not unbeatable. But he will never give less than
everything he has and he will never shy away from a challenge. He is the best
team leader I have ever seen in college sports. He willed a victory for UF, not
on his own, but by giving his teammates the strength to believe and an example
to follow. And that they did.







...and THAT is why Tebow should win the Trophy.










--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
1996 National Football Champions   |   2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions   |   2007 National Basketball Champions
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---

[gatortalk] Re: Rumors of Strong to UCF

[Woody (via wireless)]

(shudders)  dont EVEN go there lol

Woody (via wireless)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: 12/11/2008 9:33 AM
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Rumors of Strong to UCF

I hear Tony Franklin is available . . . .

;-)

Go Gators

Ken B. (NYC Gator)

Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:14:56 
To: 
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Rumors of Strong to UCF


Ed,

I agree.. but heres the problem. Kyle Whittingham I believe was the OC when  
Meyer was at Utah. I believe the OC that was at Bowling Green under  
Meyer... stayed at Bowling Green when Meyer left. Now Mullen is going to  
Miss St. Everyone who RAN this particular offense has moved on.  
Mullen was always the common denominator.

Now am i saying we are doomed... no... I think we'll see little different  
version of what we are running though. Im not sure I foresee a total  
overhaul. I wouldnt be surprised if we saw a lil more "typical nfl" style  
offense going forward or a hybrid thereof.

And I think Jerry is right though... a NFL caliber QB coach will help..  
especially with recruiting because they are saying over and over again that  
Tebow will be forever compared to Alex Smith and it will hurt him in the  
draft. Even though I dont think there is really any comparison between the  
two... I personally think Tebow is a much better QB than Alex Smith was...

Woody

On Dec 10, 2008 11:04pm, Ed Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> As long as Meyer is the head coach, any OC that
>
> comes in would most likely have to be capable of running Coach Meyer's
>
> offense. Therefore, TT or any other QB would not have to deal with much
>
> change other than the personality of the new OC.
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
>
> From:
>
> Jerry
>
> Belloit
>
>
> To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:55
>
> PM
>
>
> Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Rumors of Strong
>
> to UCF
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> While
>
> I suspect we will hire a certain former QB to come in to be a QB coach, it
>
> might be a good opportunity go after a good former NFL QB who might want  
to
>
> get into coaching.
>
>
>
>
>
> Also
>
> for Tim, it might be better for him to work with someone else to polish  
his
>
> throws and quicken his releases.
>
>
>
>
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
>
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 4:23
>
> PM
> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [gatortalk] Re:
>
> Rumors of Strong to UCF
>
>
>
>
>
> I think its certainly an
>
> x-factor in the back of Timmy's mind for sure. I hate to even suggest  
it.. but
>
> if we have a total outside that Tebow is not familiar with (and vice  
versa)..
>
> and we know with pretty good certainty that Brantley is the next guy in
>
> line... it may work out to UF's benefit for Brantley to have a couple of  
years
>
> under the same guy.
>
> Not saying I WANT that to happen.. I would LOVE
>
> Tebow to come back... but for the most part.. wouldnt he have to start all
>
> over again with a new OC? I dont see him wanting to go through that. If  
its a
>
> insider thats promoted (i think perhaps unlikely)... he would probably  
stay...
>
>
>
> Woody
>
>
> On Dec 10, 2008 4:06pm, Gatornet Admin
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Tebow
>
> and Mullen are very tight. This might work against us and push Tebow
> >
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> > to the NFL.
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> > Thoughts?
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> >
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> > Randy
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> >
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> >
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> > - Original Message
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> -
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> >
> > From: "Charlie.."
> >
> >
> >
>
> To: "Gatortalk-list"
> >
> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 10,
>
> 2008 3:49 PM
> >
> >
> > Subject: [gatortalk] Rumors of Strong
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> to UCF
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> >
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> > > Rumors are floating are around
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> that O'leary will be fired at UCF and
> >
> >
> > > Strong
>
>
> >
> >
> > > is the favorite to replace him. If true I
>
> expect McCarney to be named DC.
> >
> >
> > > McCarney has
>
> been looking around also as he interviewed at New Mexico.
> >
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> >
> > > Charlie
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--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
1996 National Football Champions   |   2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions   |   2007 National Basketball Champions
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---

[gatortalk] Re: Rumors of Strong to UCF

[kenb23]

I hear Tony Franklin is available . . . .

;-)

Go Gators

Ken B. (NYC Gator)

Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:14:56 
To: 
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Rumors of Strong to UCF


Ed,

I agree.. but heres the problem. Kyle Whittingham I believe was the OC when  
Meyer was at Utah. I believe the OC that was at Bowling Green under  
Meyer... stayed at Bowling Green when Meyer left. Now Mullen is going to  
Miss St. Everyone who RAN this particular offense has moved on.  
Mullen was always the common denominator.

Now am i saying we are doomed... no... I think we'll see little different  
version of what we are running though. Im not sure I foresee a total  
overhaul. I wouldnt be surprised if we saw a lil more "typical nfl" style  
offense going forward or a hybrid thereof.

And I think Jerry is right though... a NFL caliber QB coach will help..  
especially with recruiting because they are saying over and over again that  
Tebow will be forever compared to Alex Smith and it will hurt him in the  
draft. Even though I dont think there is really any comparison between the  
two... I personally think Tebow is a much better QB than Alex Smith was...

Woody

On Dec 10, 2008 11:04pm, Ed Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> As long as Meyer is the head coach, any OC that
>
> comes in would most likely have to be capable of running Coach Meyer's
>
> offense. Therefore, TT or any other QB would not have to deal with much
>
> change other than the personality of the new OC.
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
>
> From:
>
> Jerry
>
> Belloit
>
>
> To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:55
>
> PM
>
>
> Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Rumors of Strong
>
> to UCF
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> While
>
> I suspect we will hire a certain former QB to come in to be a QB coach, it
>
> might be a good opportunity go after a good former NFL QB who might want  
to
>
> get into coaching.
>
>
>
>
>
> Also
>
> for Tim, it might be better for him to work with someone else to polish  
his
>
> throws and quicken his releases.
>
>
>
>
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
>
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 4:23
>
> PM
> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [gatortalk] Re:
>
> Rumors of Strong to UCF
>
>
>
>
>
> I think its certainly an
>
> x-factor in the back of Timmy's mind for sure. I hate to even suggest  
it.. but
>
> if we have a total outside that Tebow is not familiar with (and vice  
versa)..
>
> and we know with pretty good certainty that Brantley is the next guy in
>
> line... it may work out to UF's benefit for Brantley to have a couple of  
years
>
> under the same guy.
>
> Not saying I WANT that to happen.. I would LOVE
>
> Tebow to come back... but for the most part.. wouldnt he have to start all
>
> over again with a new OC? I dont see him wanting to go through that. If  
its a
>
> insider thats promoted (i think perhaps unlikely)... he would probably  
stay...
>
>
>
> Woody
>
>
> On Dec 10, 2008 4:06pm, Gatornet Admin
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Tebow
>
> and Mullen are very tight. This might work against us and push Tebow
> >
>
>
> >
> > to the NFL.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> > Thoughts?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Randy
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message
>
> -
> >
> >
> > From: "Charlie.."
> >
> >
> >
>
> To: "Gatortalk-list"
> >
> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 10,
>
> 2008 3:49 PM
> >
> >
> > Subject: [gatortalk] Rumors of Strong
>
> to UCF
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> > >
> >
> >
> > > Rumors are floating are around
>
> that O'leary will be fired at UCF and
> >
> >
> > > Strong
>
>
> >
> >
> > > is the favorite to replace him. If true I
>
> expect McCarney to be named DC.
> >
> >
> > > McCarney has
>
> been looking around also as he interviewed at New Mexico.
> >
> >
>
>
> > >
> >
> >
> > > Charlie
> >
> >
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--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
1996 National Football Champions   |   2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions   |   2007 National Basketball Champions
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---

[gatortalk] Fwd: An Alabama Fan Speaks

[Kelly Tom]

This is powerful. Sent from my iPhone

 

What I saw in Atlanta" by an
Alabama Fan


I saw the third quarter. I saw Tebow get sacked. I saw Florida go 3 and out. I saw the Tide go 91
yards in workman like fashion. I saw a helpless UF defense. I saw Bama tie the
game. I saw UF respond by missing their only FG of the season. I saw Bama march
again. I saw a UF team that was beat. I saw a defense with hands on hips
gasping for breath getting absolutely trucked. I saw an Alabama team rolling downhill through Gator
players. I saw the UF players give all that they had left to keep Bama out of
the end zone. I saw the Tide take the lead heading into the 4th quarter. I saw
the end of a championship dream. 


No way could the UF defense recover from the extended pounding they had just
endured. With two DTs out there was simply no reserve left to call upon to stem
the Tide. All that had been claimed pregame by the Crimson and White faithful
about how their lines would wear UF down and control the game had come true.
There was no hope. 

And then things changed. I saw Tebow rally his offensive teammates and take
them down the field. Run after run after run after run after run and they had
Bama on their heels at their own 27. A throw a run and a throw and Tim has UF
on the doorstep. Two more runs and Demps is leaping in the endzone. Florida has wrested the
lead away and hope is reborn, dreams live again. 

But this was not enough. Tebow leads this team, this university, not just its
offense. He comes down the sideline toward the end zone where the Gator fans
are thickest and exhorts them to cheer, to roar, to believe. He turns and runs
to the special team players huddled for the upcoming kick. He slams into their
huddle like a bowling ball knocking aside so many pins. He urged them to make
the stop, to finish the play. And they did. He turns to the bench and gets in
the face of his defensive teammates and makes his will theirs. He inspires
them, he challenges them, he leads them. They face the same Bama players who
had owned them in the third quarter, who had worn them down and controlled
them. They faced those same Bama players and they stuffed them. Julio Jones who
had tormented the Gators all afternoon saw a pass come his way only to have Joe
Haden drill him so that the ball fell harmlessly to the ground. Julio would
never see another pass. They held the line and stopped Coffee for a short gain.
They crushed the line that had moved them at will and finally sacked Wilson. With the game on
the line they had stuffed Bama for a 3 and out. 


Then Tim Tebow went out to win himself and the University of Florida
a championship. Two runs and it was 3rd and short. Tebow keeps it, meets Mount Cody
in the hole and carries all 360 pounds of him for the first down. Tebow throws
for 33, Tebow throws for 15, Tebow runs for 5. Bama is done. Tebow throws the
last five yards to Riley Cooper on a pass that had no room for imprecision
resulting in the TD that made dreams into reality. I have never seen a single
player so impose his will on both his teammates, his opponents and the crowd as
Tim Tebow did in that fourth quarter. I am in awe. His teammates understand.
Carl Moore: "You knew he was going to lead us to victory," Louis
Murphy: "I have never doubted him. He's our quarterback." Jeff Demps:
"That's Tim Tebow. That's what he does, He's been putting us on his
shoulders ever since the Ole Miss game, but I've never seen him like he was
today." His opponents understand too. Rashad Johnson: "He kept those
guys motivated. He kept them in the game when they had the opportunity to give
up and wouldn't let them." Terrence Cody: "You give him a chance, and
he's going to beat you," 

He's not Superman. He's not unbeatable. But he will never give less than
everything he has and he will never shy away from a challenge. He is the best
team leader I have ever seen in college sports. He willed a victory for UF, not
on his own, but by giving his teammates the strength to believe and an example
to follow. And that they did.



...and THAT is why Tebow should win the Trophy.

 

 










 





 




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[gatortalk] Re: Rumors of Strong to UCF

[gatorrrrrr]

Ed,

I agree.. but heres the problem. Kyle Whittingham I believe was the OC when  
Meyer was at Utah. I believe the OC that was at Bowling Green under  
Meyer... stayed at Bowling Green when Meyer left. Now Mullen is going to  
Miss St. Everyone who RAN this particular offense has moved on.  
Mullen was always the common denominator.

Now am i saying we are doomed... no... I think we'll see little different  
version of what we are running though. Im not sure I foresee a total  
overhaul. I wouldnt be surprised if we saw a lil more "typical nfl" style  
offense going forward or a hybrid thereof.

And I think Jerry is right though... a NFL caliber QB coach will help..  
especially with recruiting because they are saying over and over again that  
Tebow will be forever compared to Alex Smith and it will hurt him in the  
draft. Even though I dont think there is really any comparison between the  
two... I personally think Tebow is a much better QB than Alex Smith was...

Woody

On Dec 10, 2008 11:04pm, Ed Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> As long as Meyer is the head coach, any OC that
>
> comes in would most likely have to be capable of running Coach Meyer's
>
> offense. Therefore, TT or any other QB would not have to deal with much
>
> change other than the personality of the new OC.
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
>
> From:
>
> Jerry
>
> Belloit
>
>
> To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:55
>
> PM
>
>
> Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Rumors of Strong
>
> to UCF
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> While
>
> I suspect we will hire a certain former QB to come in to be a QB coach, it
>
> might be a good opportunity go after a good former NFL QB who might want  
to
>
> get into coaching.
>
>
>
>
>
> Also
>
> for Tim, it might be better for him to work with someone else to polish  
his
>
> throws and quicken his releases.
>
>
>
>
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
>
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 4:23
>
> PM
> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [gatortalk] Re:
>
> Rumors of Strong to UCF
>
>
>
>
>
> I think its certainly an
>
> x-factor in the back of Timmy's mind for sure. I hate to even suggest  
it.. but
>
> if we have a total outside that Tebow is not familiar with (and vice  
versa)..
>
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[gatortalk] Re: Rumors of Strong to UCF

[Jerry Belloit]

I was thinking that we would promote the OC from within.  It gives us an
opportunity to add a good qb coach.

 

 

 

Jerry

 

From: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ed Williamson
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:05 PM
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Rumors of Strong to UCF

 

As long as Meyer is the head coach, any OC that comes in would most likely
have to be capable of running Coach Meyer's offense.  Therefore, TT or any
other QB would not have to deal with much change other than the personality
of the new OC.  

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From: Jerry Belloit   

To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:55 PM

Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Rumors of Strong to UCF

 

While I suspect we will hire a certain former QB to come in to be a QB
coach, it might be a good opportunity go after a good former NFL QB who
might want to get into coaching.  

 

Also for Tim, it might be better for him to work with someone else to polish
his throws and quicken his releases.

 

Jerry

 

From: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 4:23 PM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Rumors of Strong to UCF

 

I think its certainly an x-factor in the back of Timmy's mind for sure. I
hate to even suggest it.. but if we have a total outside that Tebow is not
familiar with (and vice versa).. and we know with pretty good certainty that
Brantley is the next guy in line... it may work out to UF's benefit for
Brantley to have a couple of years under the same guy. 

Not saying I WANT that to happen.. I would LOVE Tebow to come back... but
for the most part.. wouldnt he have to start all over again with a new OC? I
dont see him wanting to go through that. If its a insider thats promoted (i
think perhaps unlikely)... he would probably stay... 

Woody 


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