[gatortalk] Re: 'Bama offers textbook proof that rulebook no longer the rule

[A. Leon Polhill]

"I" count it as a win for the 'loser'?  Yes, I do!  Keep your own books.

 

Argue for them.

 

 

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the rule

 

The vacating wins penalty is a joke.  The schools won't count those wins as
losses, they just disappear.  The schools who were beaten by players who
were cheating, don't get to count it as a win, it is still a loss.

So Bama will record an 0-2 season for 2005, Prothro will still have broken
leg and the Gators still have a loss.  Given that this happened at time when
they were still on probation, makes it laughable that they aren't seeing
significant scholarship reductions.

Same goes for SOW, at least there, we get to hear ole Bob whine and moan.

Ken Kirkley





---- Original Message ----
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: 'Bama offers textbook proof that rulebook no
longer the rule
From: Helen Huntley 
Date: Fri, June 12, 2009 12:27 pm
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com

Oh, I really like this idea of both teams having to record a loss. Isn't
this almost as good as a meteor striking the field?

 

 

 

>>On Sept. 29, 2007 Florida State defeated Alabama in Jacksonville. In
hindsight, the game might be the first in history that neither school had a
chance to win. The NCAA is looking into whether both schools will vacate
victories from that season.<<<

 

 

 

 

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 5:09 PM,  wrote:


'Bama offers textbook proof that rulebook no longer the rule


June 11, 2009
By Dennis Dodd <http://www.cbssports.com/columns/writers/dodd> 
CBSSports.com Senior Writer
Tell Dennis your <http://www.cbssports.com/columns/writers/dodd>  opinion!


 

 


 

In the ongoing dinner theater known as Being Alabama only the actors change.
The roles remain the same. 

Bear's School went on NCAA probation Thursday for the fourth time in 14
years. Something about a textbook scandal. The details aren't really
important. There are major violations, but only because Alabama is to the
rulebook what Michael Vick is to pit bulls. A constant, menacing threat. 

The question has become when aren't there major violations in Tuscaloosa?
The latest penalties mean that 'Bama has been eligible to be an NCAA repeat
offender since 1995. Alabama has been committing major violations while
serving time for major violations. 


Seriously, the Tide need to clean up their act. (Getty Images)

 


Seriously, the Tide need to clean up their act.(Getty Images)

 

One slip-up during the five-year repeat violator statute of limitations is
considered serious. It makes a program eligible for the NCAA death penalty.
At Alabama, they scoff. It's a Crimson and White Groundhog Day every day. 

By the time Alabama's latest NCAA repeat offender clock stops ticking it
will be 2014. That's 19 years of -- as one infractions committee chairman
once put it -- "staring down the barrel of a gun" for the program. Nineteen
years of being on death row. 

If this is staring down the barrel of a gun, then 'Bama is Dirty Harry. Make
the Tide's day. Alabama's romp through the rules and regs is a clear
indicator that SMU's death penalty in 1987 will be the one and only such
punishment ever handed down. The NCAA will never again drop the hammer
because in the Yellowhammer State we've seen that nobody does it better. Or
worse. 

And keeps playing games. 

. Alabama <http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/11844925>  must
vacate victories

Any other school would get a swat on the butt for what was announced
Thursday. Apparently players were using leftover textbook money from their
scholarships to buy books for friends and relatives. Big whoop. 

Alabama, though, is being forced to vacate victories under Mike Shula
(2005-06) and Nick Saban (2007). Could be as many as 23. This isn't Bobby
Bowden controversial. Some Tide fans will likely say good riddance to
forgettable 6-7 and 7-6 seasons in '06 and '07. 

Once again, big whoop. 

There seems to be, though, a new age of wrongdoing. Some sort of anarchy has
broken out. We knew the NCAA enforcement staff was outmanned. Now it is
being outsmarted. The NCAA cops apparently sleep. The coaches? Not so sure.
They are looking for ways to cut corners whether their compliance directors
like it or not. 

A couple of years ago the coaches were up in arms about a ban on texting.
Now we've got Twitter, and it's legal, until the next technology evolves to
hound recruits. 

Saban got around a spring ban on head coaches meeting face-to-face with
recruits by installing a webcam. 

Lan

[gatortalk] Re: 'Bama offers textbook proof that rulebook no longer the rule

[ken]

The vacating wins penalty is a joke.  The schools won't count those wins as losses, they just disappear.  The schools who were beaten by players who were cheating, don't get to count it as a win, it is still a loss.So Bama will record an 0-2 season for 2005, Prothro will still have broken leg and the Gators still have a loss.  Given that this happened at time when they were still on probation, makes it laughable that they aren't seeing significant scholarship reductions.Same goes for SOW, at least there, we get to hear ole Bob whine and moan.Ken Kirkley



 Original Message 
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: 'Bama offers textbook proof that rulebook no
longer  the rule
From: Helen Huntley 
Date: Fri, June 12, 2009 12:27 pm
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com

Oh, I really like this idea of both teams having to record a loss. Isn't this almost as good as a meteor striking the field? >>On Sept. 29, 2007 Florida State defeated Alabama in Jacksonville. In hindsight, the game might be the first in history that neither school had a chance to win. The NCAA is looking into whether both schools will vacate victories from that season.<<<  On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 5:09 PM, <ke...@baldwinnc.com> wrote:  'Bama offers textbook proof that rulebook no longer the ruleJune 11, 2009By Dennis DoddCBSSports.com Senior WriterTell Dennis your opinion!  In the ongoing dinner theater known as Being Alabama only the actors change. The roles remain the same.  Bear's School went on NCAA probation Thursday for the fourth time in 14 years. Something about a textbook scandal. The details aren't really important. There are major violations, but only because Alabama is to the rulebook what Michael Vick is to pit bulls. A constant, menacing threat.  The question has become when aren't there major violations in Tuscaloosa? The latest penalties mean that 'Bama has been eligible to be an NCAA repeat offender since 1995. Alabama has been committing major violations while serving time for major violations.      Seriously, the Tide need to clean up their act.(Getty Images)  One slip-up during the five-year repeat violator statute of limitations is considered serious. It makes a program eligible for the NCAA death penalty. At Alabama, they scoff. It's a Crimson and White Groundhog Day every day.  By the time Alabama's latest NCAA repeat offender clock stops ticking it will be 2014. That's 19 years of -- as one infractions committee chairman once put it -- "staring down the barrel of a gun" for the program. Nineteen years of being on death row.  If this is staring down the barrel of a gun, then 'Bama is Dirty Harry. Make the Tide's day. Alabama's romp through the rules and regs is a clear indicator that SMU's death penalty in 1987 will be the one and only such punishment ever handed down. The NCAA will never again drop the hammer because in the Yellowhammer State we've seen that nobody does it better. Or worse.  And keeps playing games.  • Alabama must vacate victories Any other school would get a swat on the butt for what was announced Thursday. Apparently players were using leftover textbook money from their scholarships to buy books for friends and relatives. Big whoop.  Alabama, though, is being forced to vacate victories under Mike Shula (2005-06) and Nick Saban (2007). Could be as many as 23. This isn't Bobby Bowden controversial. Some Tide fans will likely say good riddance to forgettable 6-7 and 7-6 seasons in '06 and '07.  Once again, big whoop.  There seems to be, though, a new age of wrongdoing. Some sort of anarchy has broken out. We knew the NCAA enforcement staff was outmanned. Now it is being outsmarted. The NCAA cops apparently sleep. The coaches? Not so sure. They are looking for ways to cut corners whether their compliance directors like it or not.  A couple of years ago the coaches were up in arms about a ban on texting. Now we've got Twitter, and it's legal, until the next technology evolves to hound recruits.  Saban got around a spring ban on head coaches meeting face-to-face with recruits by installing a webcam.  Lane Kiffin is practically daring to the NCAA to come in and do something about his secondary violations. Auburn didn't know when it had a good thing going. It used limousines during a recruiting sweep this offseason (legal). Then it went out and allowed recruits to T.P. trees at Toomer's Corner (perhaps illegal).  "I've seen schools with 10-12 secondary violations in a year," one compliance director said, "20-30 in a year."  There seemingly is no downside for the rules benders. If the violations are serious enough, all you have to do is get lawyered up with one of a myriad NCAA troubleshooters out there. You thought USC was in trouble? Yes, but Tim Floyd's resignation this week actually helps the Trojans.

[gatortalk] Re: 'Bama offers textbook proof that rulebook no longer the rule

[Helen Huntley]

Oh, I really like this idea of both teams having to record a loss. Isn't
this almost as good as a meteor striking the field?



>>On Sept. 29, 2007 Florida State defeated Alabama in Jacksonville. In
hindsight, the game might be the first in history that neither school had a
chance to win. The NCAA is looking into whether both schools will vacate
victories from that season.<<<





On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 5:09 PM,  wrote:

> 'Bama offers textbook proof that rulebook no longer the rule  June 11,
> 2009
> By Dennis Dodd 
> CBSSports.com Senior Writer
> Tell Dennis your opinion! 
>
> In the ongoing dinner theater known as *Being Alabama* only the actors
> change. The roles remain the same.
> Bear's School went on NCAA probation Thursday for the fourth time in 14
> years. Something about a textbook scandal. The details aren't really
> important. There are major violations, but only because Alabama is to the
> rulebook what Michael Vick is to pit bulls. A constant, menacing threat.
> The question has become when *aren't* there major violations in
> Tuscaloosa? The latest penalties mean that 'Bama has been eligible to be an
> NCAA repeat offender *since 1995.* Alabama has been committing major
> violations while serving time for major violations.
>   [image: Seriously, the Tide need to clean up their act. (Getty Images)]
>   *Seriously, the Tide need to clean up their act.*(Getty Images)  One
> slip-up during the five-year repeat violator statute of limitations is
> considered serious. It makes a program eligible for the NCAA death penalty.
> At Alabama, they scoff. It's a Crimson and White Groundhog Day every day.
> By the time Alabama's latest NCAA repeat offender clock stops ticking it
> will be 2014. That's 19 years of -- as one infractions committee chairman
> once put it -- "staring down the barrel of a gun" for the program. Nineteen
> years of being on death row.
> If this is staring down the barrel of a gun, then 'Bama is Dirty Harry.
> Make the Tide's day. Alabama's romp through the rules and regs is a clear
> indicator that SMU's death penalty in 1987 will be the one and only such
> punishment ever handed down. The NCAA will never again drop the hammer
> because in the Yellowhammer State we've seen that nobody does it better. Or
> worse.
> And keeps playing games.
> • *Alabama must vacate 
> victories
> *
> Any other school would get a swat on the butt for what was announced
> Thursday. Apparently players were using leftover textbook money from their
> scholarships to buy books for friends and relatives. Big whoop.
> Alabama, though, is being forced to vacate victories under Mike Shula
> (2005-06) and Nick Saban (2007). Could be as many as 23. This isn't Bobby
> Bowden controversial. Some Tide fans will likely say good riddance to
> forgettable 6-7 and 7-6 seasons in '06 and '07.
> Once again, big whoop.
> There seems to be, though, a new age of wrongdoing. Some sort of anarchy
> has broken out. We knew the NCAA enforcement staff was outmanned. Now it is
> being outsmarted. The NCAA cops apparently sleep. The coaches? Not so sure.
> They are looking for ways to cut corners whether their compliance directors
> like it or not.
> A couple of years ago the coaches were up in arms about a ban on texting.
> Now we've got Twitter, and it's legal, until the next technology evolves to
> hound recruits.
> Saban got around a spring ban on head coaches meeting face-to-face with
> recruits by installing a webcam.
> Lane Kiffin is practically daring to the NCAA to come in and do something
> about his secondary violations.
>   Auburn didn't know when it had a good thing going. It used limousines
> during a recruiting sweep this offseason (legal). Then it went out and
> allowed recruits to T.P. trees at Toomer's 
> Corner(perhaps
>  illegal).
> "I've seen schools with 10-12 secondary violations in a year," one
> compliance director said, "20-30 in a year."
> There seemingly is no downside for the rules benders. If the violations are
> serious enough, all you have to do is get lawyered up with one of a myriad
> NCAA troubleshooters out there. You thought USC was in trouble? Yes, but Tim
> Floyd's resignation this week actually *helps* the Trojans. The cleansing
> has begun with one of the rogues out of the picture.
> You might have heard that Florida State is dealing with an academic
> scandal. But the only reason anyone cares is that the penalties might impact
> Bowden's career victories. Never mind the fact that FSU is tied for second
> all-time on the major infractions list.
> The guy you feel for is SEC commissioner Mike Slive. He sits in the middle
> of the slime. His noble goal was to get the conference probation free by
> summer 2008. Only Arkansas track penalties stood in the way, until now