[gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel
He is from Wrightsville. Wrightsville to Athens = 120.14 miles. Wrightsville to Gainesville = 305.00 miles Jerry From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ken...@earthlink.net Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 11:46 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Warner Robbins? I remember reading that he drove to Athens to start his freshman year in a brand new car. Wonder how that happened? Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone with SprintSpeed _ From: Oliver Barry oli...@bobparks.com Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:26:41 -0600 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Where was Hershel from? Somewhere in south Georgia I think. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Belloit Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:58 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel I agree. On top of that Hershel is a class guy. I just wish he would have moved a little further South than heading North to go to college. Jerry From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:43 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Even though I hate the dawgs all the way to the bone I do think Walker was one of the best to have played the game. Charlie _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Belloit Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:31 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Zeb, There is a problem with this as well. Using your concept, Chris Collingsworth was the greatest QB in NCAA history because his average yards per throw was 99 and his completion percentage was 100%. You could have a person who played only one year win the record. Tim has the record because he has stayed longer and played more games. Part of Tim's record is his durability. Perhaps Hershel would have been injured had he payed as many games and then might not have had as many touchdowns. Similarly, what about those who played on the freshmen teams. Should their statistics be added in? Any system will have its problems. If this is the way we keep score now, then that is what we live with. I suppose you could argue that we need to standardize the way we keep the records. The problem with that is that you can not always really do that. For example, let's look at the highest scoring shooting guards in Men's basketball. To be fair to the older players, we would have to find the videos of all of their games, calculate where the 3 point line would have been had they been playing with one, and then recalculate their career points. The problem is that if there would have been a 3 point line, perhaps more people would have tried 3 point goals.rats, fouled again! Jerry _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Vega Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:23 AM To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel All of career and season stats should be kept on an average per game basis, but they are not because - if they did - Jim Brown would still be the NFL's leading rusher. Until someone adopts this method, the rule is the rule. BR --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel
Well, that's only a 5 hour drive to Gainesville. You were right, he should've gone a little farther south. :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jerry Belloit bell...@clarion.edu Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:03:36 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel He is from Wrightsville. Wrightsville to Athens = 120.14 miles. Wrightsville to Gainesville = 305.00 miles Jerry From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ken...@earthlink.net Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 11:46 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Warner Robbins? I remember reading that he drove to Athens to start his freshman year in a brand new car. Wonder how that happened? Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone with SprintSpeed _ From: Oliver Barry oli...@bobparks.com Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:26:41 -0600 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Where was Hershel from? Somewhere in south Georgia I think. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Belloit Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:58 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel I agree. On top of that Hershel is a class guy. I just wish he would have moved a little further South than heading North to go to college. Jerry From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:43 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Even though I hate the dawgs all the way to the bone I do think Walker was one of the best to have played the game. Charlie _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Belloit Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:31 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Zeb, There is a problem with this as well. Using your concept, Chris Collingsworth was the greatest QB in NCAA history because his average yards per throw was 99 and his completion percentage was 100%. You could have a person who played only one year win the record. Tim has the record because he has stayed longer and played more games. Part of Tim's record is his durability. Perhaps Hershel would have been injured had he payed as many games and then might not have had as many touchdowns. Similarly, what about those who played on the freshmen teams. Should their statistics be added in? Any system will have its problems. If this is the way we keep score now, then that is what we live with. I suppose you could argue that we need to standardize the way we keep the records. The problem with that is that you can not always really do that. For example, let's look at the highest scoring shooting guards in Men's basketball. To be fair to the older players, we would have to find the videos of all of their games, calculate where the 3 point line would have been had they been playing with one, and then recalculate their career points. The problem is that if there would have been a 3 point line, perhaps more people would have tried 3 point goals.rats, fouled again! Jerry _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Vega Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:23 AM To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel All of career and season stats should be kept on an average per game basis, but they are not because - if they did - Jim Brown would still be the NFL's leading rusher. Until someone adopts this method, the rule is the rule. BR --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel
On Nov 2, 2009, at 9:31 PM, Jerry Belloit wrote: There is a problem with this as well. Using your concept, Chris Collingsworth was the greatest QB in NCAA history because his average yards per throw was 99 and his completion percentage was 100%. Not that that would be a bad thing, but all per game statistics have minimum numbers associated with them. for example, Brantley is not the #1 quarterback in the NCAA for pass efficiency, as he has not appeared in enough games and/or thrown enough passes in the games that he has appeared in. One might quibble a bit as to the minimum #s required, but by and large no one does. I'd have to guess that they are fairly reasonable, and assumed that they would be part of my (or any) proposal as they are already part of the current per game approach. Unfortunately, that would knock out Collingsworth. You could have a person who played only one year win the record. I would guess that career records would require three years of play. That would allow for those who go pro a year early. I suppose that might leave out someone so stellar that he redshirted his first year, played two great years and then went pro (such Bradford, had he gone pro after last year). By and large, anyone good enough to be in the record-breaking mix didn't sit out his freshman year. Tim has the record because he has stayed longer and played more games. Part of Tim’s record is his durability. Perhaps Hershel would have been injured had he payed as many games and then might not have had as many touchdowns. A very good point. Durability should count for something. I just can't see how to reconcile durability with the goal of normalizing a 14 game NCAA season with an 11 game season, or a 16 game NFL season with a 10 or 12 game season. If we don not, every all-time record set by legends of the game will be broken by above average players simply because of greater opportunities (e.g. Franco Harris setting the all- time career NFL rushing record). Similarly, what about those who played on the freshmen teams. Should their statistics be added in? I don't see this as a problem. In the era where there were Freshman teams, no one went pro early, so Wilt and Lew had three years of NCAA ball to meet the three year minimum. Any system will have its problems. If this is the way we keep score now, then that is what we live with. I suppose you could argue that we need to “standardize” the way we keep the records. The problem with that is that you can not always really do that. For example, let’s look at the highest scoring shooting guards in Men’s basketball. To be fair to the older players, we would have to find the videos of all of their games, calculate where the 3 point line would have been had they been playing with one, and then recalculate their career points. Someone did that, and Pete Maravich averaged about 90 points a game at his peak. No one else - not Jordan, not Bernard King, not Dan Thompson, not Wilt - even comes close. I can agree that a rule is a rule, that was the point of my original post. My secondary point was that if someone wanted to ignore a rule is a rule and try to normalize across eras, adding 5 TDs to Herschel for his bowl games is the wrong way to do it, and propose a better methodology. -Zeb --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel
Where was Hershel from? Somewhere in south Georgia I think. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Belloit Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:58 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel I agree. On top of that Hershel is a class guy. I just wish he would have moved a little further South than heading North to go to college. Jerry From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:43 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Even though I hate the dawgs all the way to the bone I do think Walker was one of the best to have played the game. Charlie _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Belloit Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:31 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Zeb, There is a problem with this as well. Using your concept, Chris Collingsworth was the greatest QB in NCAA history because his average yards per throw was 99 and his completion percentage was 100%. You could have a person who played only one year win the record. Tim has the record because he has stayed longer and played more games. Part of Tim's record is his durability. Perhaps Hershel would have been injured had he payed as many games and then might not have had as many touchdowns. Similarly, what about those who played on the freshmen teams. Should their statistics be added in? Any system will have its problems. If this is the way we keep score now, then that is what we live with. I suppose you could argue that we need to standardize the way we keep the records. The problem with that is that you can not always really do that. For example, let's look at the highest scoring shooting guards in Men's basketball. To be fair to the older players, we would have to find the videos of all of their games, calculate where the 3 point line would have been had they been playing with one, and then recalculate their career points. The problem is that if there would have been a 3 point line, perhaps more people would have tried 3 point goals.rats, fouled again! Jerry _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Vega Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:23 AM To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel All of career and season stats should be kept on an average per game basis, but they are not because - if they did - Jim Brown would still be the NFL's leading rusher. Until someone adopts this method, the rule is the rule. BR --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel
Warner Robbins? I remember reading that he drove to Athens to start his freshman year in a brand new car. Wonder how that happened? Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed -Original Message- From: Oliver Barry oli...@bobparks.com Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:26:41 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Where was Hershel from? Somewhere in south Georgia I think. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Belloit Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:58 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel I agree. On top of that Hershel is a class guy. I just wish he would have moved a little further South than heading North to go to college. Jerry From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:43 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Even though I hate the dawgs all the way to the bone I do think Walker was one of the best to have played the game. Charlie _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Belloit Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:31 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Zeb, There is a problem with this as well. Using your concept, Chris Collingsworth was the greatest QB in NCAA history because his average yards per throw was 99 and his completion percentage was 100%. You could have a person who played only one year win the record. Tim has the record because he has stayed longer and played more games. Part of Tim's record is his durability. Perhaps Hershel would have been injured had he payed as many games and then might not have had as many touchdowns. Similarly, what about those who played on the freshmen teams. Should their statistics be added in? Any system will have its problems. If this is the way we keep score now, then that is what we live with. I suppose you could argue that we need to standardize the way we keep the records. The problem with that is that you can not always really do that. For example, let's look at the highest scoring shooting guards in Men's basketball. To be fair to the older players, we would have to find the videos of all of their games, calculate where the 3 point line would have been had they been playing with one, and then recalculate their career points. The problem is that if there would have been a 3 point line, perhaps more people would have tried 3 point goals.rats, fouled again! Jerry _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Vega Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:23 AM To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel All of career and season stats should be kept on an average per game basis, but they are not because - if they did - Jim Brown would still be the NFL's leading rusher. Until someone adopts this method, the rule is the rule. BR --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel
According to Wikipedia, he's from Wrightsville. According to google maps, Wrightsville is 53 miles due East of Warner-Robbins. As some one who's never been to either of those towns, you can take that as gospel. :-) SHANE GO GATORS! From: ken...@earthlink.net ken...@earthlink.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 10:45:36 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Warner Robbins? I remember reading that he drove to Athens to start his freshman year in a brand new car.. Wonder how that happened? Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed From: Oliver Barry oli...@bobparks.com Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:26:41 -0600 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Where was Hershel from? Somewhere in south Georgia I think. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd GallatinTN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Belloit Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:58 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel I agree. On top of that Hershel is a class guy. I just wish he would have moved a little further South than heading North to go to college. Jerry From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups..com] On Behalf Of Charlie Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:43 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Even though I hate the dawgs all the way to the bone I do think Walker was one of the best to have played the game. Charlie From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Belloit Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:31 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Zeb, There is a problem with this as well. Using your concept, Chris Collingsworth was the greatest QB in NCAA history because his average yards per throw was 99 and his completion percentage was 100%. You could have a person who played only one year win the record. Tim has the record because he has stayed longer and played more games. Part of Tim’s record is his durability. Perhaps Hershel would have been injured had he payed as many games and then might not have had as many touchdowns. Similarly, what about those who played on the freshmen teams. Should their statistics be added in? Any system will have its problems. If this is the way we keep score now, then that is what we live with. I suppose you could argue that we need to “standardize” the way we keep the records. The problem with that is that you can not always really do that. For example, let’s look at the highest scoring shooting guards in Men’s basketball. To be fair to the older players, we would have to find the videos of all of their games, calculate where the 3 point line would have been had they been playing with one, and then recalculate their career points. The problem is that if there would have been a 3 point line, perhaps more people would have tried 3 point goals…rats, fouled again! Jerry From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Vega Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:23 AM To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel All of career and season stats should be kept on an average per game basis, but they are not because - if they did - Jim Brown would still be the NFL's leading rusher. Until someone adopts this method, the rule is the rule. BR --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel
Wrightsville... which is more eastern central. East of Macon. Cee - Original Message - From: Oliver Barry To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 11:26 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Where was Hershel from? Somewhere in south Georgia I think. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 -- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Belloit Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:58 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel I agree. On top of that Hershel is a class guy. I just wish he would have moved a little further South than heading North to go to college. Jerry From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:43 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Even though I hate the dawgs all the way to the bone I do think Walker was one of the best to have played the game. Charlie -- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Belloit Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:31 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Zeb, There is a problem with this as well. Using your concept, Chris Collingsworth was the greatest QB in NCAA history because his average yards per throw was 99 and his completion percentage was 100%. You could have a person who played only one year win the record. Tim has the record because he has stayed longer and played more games. Part of Tim's record is his durability. Perhaps Hershel would have been injured had he payed as many games and then might not have had as many touchdowns. Similarly, what about those who played on the freshmen teams. Should their statistics be added in? Any system will have its problems. If this is the way we keep score now, then that is what we live with. I suppose you could argue that we need to standardize the way we keep the records. The problem with that is that you can not always really do that. For example, let's look at the highest scoring shooting guards in Men's basketball. To be fair to the older players, we would have to find the videos of all of their games, calculate where the 3 point line would have been had they been playing with one, and then recalculate their career points. The problem is that if there would have been a 3 point line, perhaps more people would have tried 3 point goals.rats, fouled again! Jerry -- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Vega Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:23 AM To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel All of career and season stats should be kept on an average per game basis, but they are not because - if they did - Jim Brown would still be the NFL's leading rusher. Until someone adopts this method, the rule is the rule. BR --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel
I have read and heard this argument now about a dozen times. CBS even included it in their graphic when the record was broken. There are two problems with this argument: 1. It is stupid. Players nowadays can accumulate stats in a 12th regular season game and a conference championship game, but it is the bowl game rule that is letting career stats be broken? Really? TT had 14 games count last year, Walker had 11 each of his year. That's where the variable is, not the bowl issue. This is the same reason that breaking O.J.'s single season rushing record in a 16 game season when it was set in a 12 game season is silly. Pundits everywhere saw this coming when the season was lengthened and bowl games were made official. All of career and season stats should be kept on an average per game basis, but they are not because - if they did - Jim Brown would still be the NFL's leading rusher. Until someone adopts this method, the rule is the rule. Which leads to... 2. Why is Tebow the first time that anyone has brought this issue up? There are dozens of records that have been broken only because of the 12th game plus the bowl game. I have never seen the issue raised until now, much less in a graphic by the broadcast company when the record was broken. Another good example is Bowden's victory total that includes what would be Division II victories at Samford. At the time, there was no distinction, so the NCAA rule is that they count as Division I. A dumb rule, but a rule is a rule, and no one brings the issue up - unless it is Tebow. -Zeb On Nov 2, 2009, at 8:39 AM, Juno Gator wrote: QB Tim Tebow Looked like the Tebow of old Saturday, completing 15-of-21 passes for 164 yards and two touchdowns, and rushing 18 times for 85 yards and two more touchdowns. Tebow had his first turnover-free day since Sept. 26 against Kentucky, and the offense generally looked crisp and prepared against a soft Georgia defense. And props to Tebow for scoring career rushing touchdowns 50 and 51, breaking Herschel Walker’s rushing touchdown record. True Tebow fans, though, won’t be happy until Tebow gets to 55 touchdowns, because we all know that Walker really had 54. Walker had five touchdowns in bowl games that the SEC refuses to apply retro-actively for some reason, even though the SEC counts Tebow’s bowl game TDs. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel
Just look at the source. They only like Miami there. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Vega Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:23 AM To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel I have read and heard this argument now about a dozen times. CBS even included it in their graphic when the record was broken. There are two problems with this argument: 1. It is stupid. Players nowadays can accumulate stats in a 12th regular season game and a conference championship game, but it is the bowl game rule that is letting career stats be broken? Really? TT had 14 games count last year, Walker had 11 each of his year. That's where the variable is, not the bowl issue. This is the same reason that breaking O.J.'s single season rushing record in a 16 game season when it was set in a 12 game season is silly. Pundits everywhere saw this coming when the season was lengthened and bowl games were made official. All of career and season stats should be kept on an average per game basis, but they are not because - if they did - Jim Brown would still be the NFL's leading rusher. Until someone adopts this method, the rule is the rule. Which leads to... 2. Why is Tebow the first time that anyone has brought this issue up? There are dozens of records that have been broken only because of the 12th game plus the bowl game. I have never seen the issue raised until now, much less in a graphic by the broadcast company when the record was broken. Another good example is Bowden's victory total that includes what would be Division II victories at Samford. At the time, there was no distinction, so the NCAA rule is that they count as Division I. A dumb rule, but a rule is a rule, and no one brings the issue up - unless it is Tebow. -Zeb On Nov 2, 2009, at 8:39 AM, Juno Gator wrote: QB Tim Tebow Looked like the Tebow of old Saturday, completing 15-of-21 passes for 164 yards and two touchdowns, and rushing 18 times for 85 yards and two more touchdowns. Tebow had his first turnover-free day since Sept. 26 against Kentucky, and the offense generally looked crisp and prepared against a soft Georgia defense. And props to Tebow for scoring career rushing touchdowns 50 and 51, breaking Herschel Walker's rushing touchdown record. True Tebow fans, though, won't be happy until Tebow gets to 55 touchdowns, because we all know that Walker really had 54. Walker had five touchdowns in bowl games that the SEC refuses to apply retro-actively for some reason, even though the SEC counts Tebow's bowl game TDs. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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It doesn't matter how you want to look at it. I agree that Herschels bowl game stats should be included, so Tim will break the record with 4 more TDs. But to say the records should be based on per game stats is ridiculous. Herschel touched the ball 994 times, Tim is below 600. So when the season is done, Tim will have carried the ball almost 200 time less than Herschel. Also, when Tim gets sacked, that counts as a carry, Walkers carries were all designed running plays. even including the lost yardage for sacks, Tim averages 4.3 ypc, Walker 5.3. What makes this record so amazing is that Tim is a QB and he has also thrown for 77 TDs! And just for the record, Tim has only scored 2 of his rshing TDs in bowl games, Walker had 5. Ken K MNGator _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Vega Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:23 AM To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel I have read and heard this argument now about a dozen times. CBS even included it in their graphic when the record was broken. There are two problems with this argument: 1. It is stupid. Players nowadays can accumulate stats in a 12th regular season game and a conference championship game, but it is the bowl game rule that is letting career stats be broken? Really? TT had 14 games count last year, Walker had 11 each of his year. That's where the variable is, not the bowl issue. This is the same reason that breaking O.J.'s single season rushing record in a 16 game season when it was set in a 12 game season is silly. Pundits everywhere saw this coming when the season was lengthened and bowl games were made official. All of career and season stats should be kept on an average per game basis, but they are not because - if they did - Jim Brown would still be the NFL's leading rusher. Until someone adopts this method, the rule is the rule. Which leads to... 2. Why is Tebow the first time that anyone has brought this issue up? There are dozens of records that have been broken only because of the 12th game plus the bowl game. I have never seen the issue raised until now, much less in a graphic by the broadcast company when the record was broken. Another good example is Bowden's victory total that includes what would be Division II victories at Samford. At the time, there was no distinction, so the NCAA rule is that they count as Division I. A dumb rule, but a rule is a rule, and no one brings the issue up - unless it is Tebow. -Zeb On Nov 2, 2009, at 8:39 AM, Juno Gator wrote: QB Tim Tebow Looked like the Tebow of old Saturday, completing 15-of-21 passes for 164 yards and two touchdowns, and rushing 18 times for 85 yards and two more touchdowns. Tebow had his first turnover-free day since Sept. 26 against Kentucky, and the offense generally looked crisp and prepared against a soft Georgia defense. And props to Tebow for scoring career rushing touchdowns 50 and 51, breaking Herschel Walker's rushing touchdown record. True Tebow fans, though, won't be happy until Tebow gets to 55 touchdowns, because we all know that Walker really had 54. Walker had five touchdowns in bowl games that the SEC refuses to apply retro-actively for some reason, even though the SEC counts Tebow's bowl game TDs. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel
I don't think that your argument matches with your premise. My argument is that the lengthened season has distorted career and season records and my conclusion is that a method needs to be uses to equalize the difference in length between seasons. My suggestion was to use average TDs per game as the yardstick You point out that my suggestion is not appropriate, but then suggest to use average carries per TD as a yardstick. I think your yardstick is just as good, and like it a bit better in this case as it shows TT in a better light than a mangy dog. I also think it's interesting that the powers that be that write these articles all argue to add 5 TDs for Walker's bowl games and none mention simply taking away 2 from TT for his bowl games. -Zeb On Nov 2, 2009, at 11:34 AM, Ken Kirkley wrote: It doesn't matter how you want to look at it. I agree that Herschels bowl game stats should be included, so Tim will break the record with 4 more TDs. But to say the records should be based on per game stats is ridiculous. Herschel touched the ball 994 times, Tim is below 600. So when the season is done, Tim will have carried the ball almost 200 time less than Herschel. Also, when Tim gets sacked, that counts as a carry, Walkers carries were all designed running plays. even including the lost yardage for sacks, Tim averages 4.3 ypc, Walker 5.3. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel
Ah, I love it when our resident research analysts dig up all the ammo we need to shut the puppies up. Stuff like this makes me look like I know what I'm talking about and my challengers slink off in awe. ;-) Randy - Original Message - From: Ken Kirkley To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 11:34 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel It doesn't matter how you want to look at it. I agree that Herschels bowl game stats should be included, so Tim will break the record with 4 more TDs. But to say the records should be based on per game stats is ridiculous. Herschel touched the ball 994 times, Tim is below 600. So when the season is done, Tim will have carried the ball almost 200 time less than Herschel. Also, when Tim gets sacked, that counts as a carry, Walkers carries were all designed running plays. even including the lost yardage for sacks, Tim averages 4.3 ypc, Walker 5.3. What makes this record so amazing is that Tim is a QB and he has also thrown for 77 TDs! And just for the record, Tim has only scored 2 of his rshing TDs in bowl games, Walker had 5. Ken K MNGator -- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Vega Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:23 AM To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel I have read and heard this argument now about a dozen times. CBS even included it in their graphic when the record was broken. There are two problems with this argument: 1. It is stupid. Players nowadays can accumulate stats in a 12th regular season game and a conference championship game, but it is the bowl game rule that is letting career stats be broken? Really? TT had 14 games count last year, Walker had 11 each of his year. That's where the variable is, not the bowl issue. This is the same reason that breaking O.J.'s single season rushing record in a 16 game season when it was set in a 12 game season is silly. Pundits everywhere saw this coming when the season was lengthened and bowl games were made official. All of career and season stats should be kept on an average per game basis, but they are not because - if they did - Jim Brown would still be the NFL's leading rusher. Until someone adopts this method, the rule is the rule. Which leads to... 2. Why is Tebow the first time that anyone has brought this issue up? There are dozens of records that have been broken only because of the 12th game plus the bowl game. I have never seen the issue raised until now, much less in a graphic by the broadcast company when the record was broken. Another good example is Bowden's victory total that includes what would be Division II victories at Samford. At the time, there was no distinction, so the NCAA rule is that they count as Division I. A dumb rule, but a rule is a rule, and no one brings the issue up - unless it is Tebow. -Zeb On Nov 2, 2009, at 8:39 AM, Juno Gator wrote: QB Tim Tebow Looked like the Tebow of old Saturday, completing 15-of-21 passes for 164 yards and two touchdowns, and rushing 18 times for 85 yards and two more touchdowns. Tebow had his first turnover-free day since Sept. 26 against Kentucky, and the offense generally looked crisp and prepared against a soft Georgia defense. And props to Tebow for scoring career rushing touchdowns 50 and 51, breaking Herschel Walker's rushing touchdown record. True Tebow fans, though, won't be happy until Tebow gets to 55 touchdowns, because we all know that Walker really had 54. Walker had five touchdowns in bowl games that the SEC refuses to apply retro-actively for some reason, even though the SEC counts Tebow's bowl game TDs. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel
Zeb, There is a problem with this as well. Using your concept, Chris Collingsworth was the greatest QB in NCAA history because his average yards per throw was 99 and his completion percentage was 100%. You could have a person who played only one year win the record. Tim has the record because he has stayed longer and played more games. Part of Tim's record is his durability. Perhaps Hershel would have been injured had he payed as many games and then might not have had as many touchdowns. Similarly, what about those who played on the freshmen teams. Should their statistics be added in? Any system will have its problems. If this is the way we keep score now, then that is what we live with. I suppose you could argue that we need to standardize the way we keep the records. The problem with that is that you can not always really do that. For example, let's look at the highest scoring shooting guards in Men's basketball. To be fair to the older players, we would have to find the videos of all of their games, calculate where the 3 point line would have been had they been playing with one, and then recalculate their career points. The problem is that if there would have been a 3 point line, perhaps more people would have tried 3 point goals.rats, fouled again! Jerry _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Vega Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:23 AM To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel All of career and season stats should be kept on an average per game basis, but they are not because - if they did - Jim Brown would still be the NFL's leading rusher. Until someone adopts this method, the rule is the rule. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel
Even though I hate the dawgs all the way to the bone I do think Walker was one of the best to have played the game. Charlie _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Belloit Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:31 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Zeb, There is a problem with this as well. Using your concept, Chris Collingsworth was the greatest QB in NCAA history because his average yards per throw was 99 and his completion percentage was 100%. You could have a person who played only one year win the record. Tim has the record because he has stayed longer and played more games. Part of Tim's record is his durability. Perhaps Hershel would have been injured had he payed as many games and then might not have had as many touchdowns. Similarly, what about those who played on the freshmen teams. Should their statistics be added in? Any system will have its problems. If this is the way we keep score now, then that is what we live with. I suppose you could argue that we need to standardize the way we keep the records. The problem with that is that you can not always really do that. For example, let's look at the highest scoring shooting guards in Men's basketball. To be fair to the older players, we would have to find the videos of all of their games, calculate where the 3 point line would have been had they been playing with one, and then recalculate their career points. The problem is that if there would have been a 3 point line, perhaps more people would have tried 3 point goals.rats, fouled again! Jerry _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Vega Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:23 AM To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel All of career and season stats should be kept on an average per game basis, but they are not because - if they did - Jim Brown would still be the NFL's leading rusher. Until someone adopts this method, the rule is the rule. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel
I agree. On top of that Hershel is a class guy. I just wish he would have moved a little further South than heading North to go to college. Jerry From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:43 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Even though I hate the dawgs all the way to the bone I do think Walker was one of the best to have played the game. Charlie _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Belloit Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:31 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Zeb, There is a problem with this as well. Using your concept, Chris Collingsworth was the greatest QB in NCAA history because his average yards per throw was 99 and his completion percentage was 100%. You could have a person who played only one year win the record. Tim has the record because he has stayed longer and played more games. Part of Tim's record is his durability. Perhaps Hershel would have been injured had he payed as many games and then might not have had as many touchdowns. Similarly, what about those who played on the freshmen teams. Should their statistics be added in? Any system will have its problems. If this is the way we keep score now, then that is what we live with. I suppose you could argue that we need to standardize the way we keep the records. The problem with that is that you can not always really do that. For example, let's look at the highest scoring shooting guards in Men's basketball. To be fair to the older players, we would have to find the videos of all of their games, calculate where the 3 point line would have been had they been playing with one, and then recalculate their career points. The problem is that if there would have been a 3 point line, perhaps more people would have tried 3 point goals.rats, fouled again! Jerry _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Vega Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:23 AM To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel All of career and season stats should be kept on an average per game basis, but they are not because - if they did - Jim Brown would still be the NFL's leading rusher. Until someone adopts this method, the rule is the rule. BR --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: TT
Sorry that this response is so late, but Paula and I left for a week at Panama City Beach after getting home from Lexington. Going into the game I said to Paula, "I wouldn't want to be Kentuckytoday. This team is tired of listening tononsense about how they didn't win by enough points against UT. They'll winby enough points today." And, so they did. Tebow also needed theplaying time to be a top contender for the Heisman. Injuries are a part of football and can and will happen at any random moment. They cannot be avoided and should not be 'planned around.' I am sure that Meyer would have hadBrantley take over in the 4th quarter. I'll not question Meyer's methods or motives. A.. Leon Polhill, GatorFriends are the family that we choose for ourselves.From: "ken...@earthlink.net" ken...@earthlink.netTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.comSent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:59:21 PMSubject: [gatortalk] Re: TTIt could have happened in the first quarter, but it didn't. It happened with under four minutes in the third quarter, and a 31 - 7 lead.I saw no need for him to still be in the game at that point, particularly since he had been sick before the game. Same for Spikes, with his achilles problem.Certainly, there is a risk of injury on every snap, so once the game is in hand, you weigh the benefit of having him in versus the potential cost. With him in and 18:57 left in the game, we could have beaten Kentucky by 38 or more. Without him, we beat them by less. Is it worth it? I don't think so. Particularly, as Darlene pointed out, that was a perfect opportunity to get Brantley some quality snaps in an SEC road game.Meyer supposedly studies statistics and is very analytical. So the question remains: is it worth the potential risk? I didn't think so before the injury, and still don't.Go GatorsGet Well TimKen B. (NYC Gator)Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeedFrom: "dbadr...@gmail.com" Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:40:07 -0400To: gatortalk@googlegroups.comSubject: [gatortalk] Re: TTYep...very well said!Now...to all the second-guessers who think he shouldn't have played in the second half..in Coach Meyer's, it's "silly, nonsense". This injury could have happened in the first quarter itself. Lets keep praying for Tim!-BadManOn Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Cecilia gator...@bellsouth.net wrote:Well said. I have to say, as a mom, it brought tears to my eyes to see hisparents standing there. I can imagine what was going through his mama'shead.Cee- Original Message -From: "03GatorMom" lauries...@gmail.comTo: "GatorTalk" gatortalk@googlegroups.comSent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:34 AMSubject: [gatortalk] TT It hurt so much to see Tim laying on the ground like that in yesterday's game. To see him put himself physically into a game week after week the way he does is amazing, and inspiring. As a quarterback he could so easily hand off or throw the ball and just slip into the background while the play continues. I have yet to see him do this. He continues to run, tackle, hit - whatever he can do to make a play happen even after it is "out of his hands"! What happened in the Kentucky game was bound to happen sooner or later, but this young man Tebow, this player who brings out the best in everyone around him including his opponents; this was more than devastating. I have been praying for him on and off all night, I know God has much more planned for his life, on and off the field. Superman may have been down, but he is not out! We love you Tim, God bless you as you continue to seek His direction for your life! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: TT
All the way home from Lexington, when we stopped for gas, rest stop, food, etc., folks would come over and tell us how they were concerned about Tebow. Our waitress at a BBQ in Tennessee informed us that she intended to marry Tebow. I told her she should leave immediately and drive to Lexington and take flowers by his bedside and let him know how she felt. She promised to invite us to the wedding. A. Leon Polhill, Gator Friends are the family that we choose for ourselves. From: Gatornet Admin gator...@comcast.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 9:23:08 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT Likewise, Wanda. Everyone I know that hates the gators are quick to point out that they have nothing but the utmost respect for Tim. Pretty cool. Randy - Original Message - From: Wanda Barry g8...@comcast.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:30 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT I started praying for TT while he was still lying on the field and have done so every time I think of him. I thought it was such a show of support and love by his teammates when they all went on the field. He is such a wonderful young man. I have friends here in Tennessee that hate the Gators, but love Tim Tebow. Wanda - Original Message - From: 03GatorMom lauries...@gmail.com To: GatorTalk gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 10:34 AM Subject: [gatortalk] TT It hurt so much to see Tim laying on the ground like that in yesterday's game. To see him put himself physically into a game week after week the way he does is amazing, and inspiring. As a quarterback he could so easily hand off or throw the ball and just slip into the background while the play continues. I have yet to see him do this. He continues to run, tackle, hit - whatever he can do to make a play happen even after it is out of his hands! What happened in the Kentucky game was bound to happen sooner or later, but this young man Tebow, this player who brings out the best in everyone around him including his opponents; this was more than devastating. I have been praying for him on and off all night, I know God has much more planned for his life, on and off the field. Superman may have been down, but he is not out! We love you Tim, God bless you as you continue to seek His direction for your life! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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I was there, and I thought the Kentucky fans were just cheering that he had gotten sacked, it was the biggest play of the game up to that point for them. I would have cheered if I were them as well. I'm sure they were happy they didn't have to see him anymore that day, but I didn't get the sense from any of them that they were happy he was hurt. Again, just my opinion. But, they just seemed like fans that were cheering a big stop on third down for their team. As soon as it was apparent Tebow was actually hurt, there was no celebration from the fans, or the players. I taped the game and watched it when I got hom Sunday, and the penalty for celebration is 50/50. I think they penalize players too much for that to begin with. What do you really expect the guy to do? He just sacked the best player in the history of the game on 3rd down to stop a drive. His team was getting demolished. It was the first thing for him to be happy about all day. He SHOULD be happy. In todays paper that players comments after the game were, and I'm paraphrasing 'as soon as he saw Tebow was hurt, he felt upset. He didn't want to see himy hurt and he wishes him a quick recovery' I honestly don't think anybody handled the situation poorly. The Gator fans in attendance showed great support for him, as did all the Florida players, and I'm sure Tebow and his family really did appreciate it. The UK fans cheered when he sat up as well. On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Helen Huntley hhsga...@gmail.com wrote: I asked my daughter, who was at the game, for her impression of the situation. Here's what she said: The UK fans were cheering when Tebow was first hit, which was detestable. I agree a penalty should have been called on the player that hit him and was dancing around afterward. However, after he was down for a while I got the impression it was the Florida fans cheering Let's go Tebow and then later just Tebow to show their support and encourage him to get up. It was a very scary situation indeed. I hope he is okay! Have a great day! On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Ken Kirkley k...@kirkley.net wrote: No blame on the coaches for this. It was a freak injury that could have happened at any time. You have our first road game after a lackluster game, the team needed to continue to improve. Maybe the coaches didn't like some of the reads Tim was making or maybe Tim and his competitive desire demanded to be in the game. I put no blame on the coaches for this. I do have a cople of questions though. After Tim was down, on TV they showed the KY player dancing around like he had just been named homecoming queen - why no penalty? Also, the Miami Herald article stated that the whole stadium was chanting Lets go Tebow as he was down. On TV, and I watched it again this morning, it sure didn't sound like that - instead sounded like they were cheering the fact he was down. Did anybody else catch that? *Ken K* *MNGator* -- *From:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *ken...@earthlink.net *Sent:* Sunday, September 27, 2009 4:59 PM *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [gatortalk] Re: TT It could have happened in the first quarter, but it didn't. It happened with under four minutes in the third quarter, and a 31 - 7 lead. I saw no need for him to still be in the game at that point, particularly since he had been sick before the game. Same for Spikes, with his achilles problem. Certainly, there is a risk of injury on every snap, so once the game is in hand, you weigh the benefit of having him in versus the potential cost. With him in and 18:57 left in the game, we could have beaten Kentucky by 38 or more. Without him, we beat them by less. Is it worth it? I don't think so. Particularly, as Darlene pointed out, that was a perfect opportunity to get Brantley some quality snaps in an SEC road game. Meyer supposedly studies statistics and is very analytical. So the question remains: is it worth the potential risk? I didn't think so before the injury, and still don't. Go Gators Get Well Tim Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed -- *From*: dbadr...@gmail.com *Date*: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:40:07 -0400 *To*: gatortalk@googlegroups.com *Subject*: [gatortalk] Re: TT Yep...very well said! Now...to all the second-guessers who think he shouldn't have played in the second half..in Coach Meyer's, it's silly, nonsense. This injury could have happened in the first quarter itself. Lets keep praying for Tim! -BadMan On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Cecilia gator...@bellsouth.net wrote: Well said. I have to say, as a mom, it brought tears to my eyes to see his parents standing there. I can imagine what was going through his mama's head. Cee - Original Message - From: 03GatorMom lauries...@gmail.com To: GatorTalk
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One more point about the hit on Tebow. After the crowd finally got quiet and the trainers, etc went out to work on him, the players from both teams went out on the field and stood watching as Tebow was getting back into Lexington. It was really impressive that everyone on the field had that much respect for him. After the game I listened to the Rich Brooks interview. He was also very concerned about Tim and had checked with Urban on him before going to the locker room. One last thing. After the Rich Brooks interview, I stopped and was getting gas at a Thornton's in Lexington after the game. A couple of potential DUIs drove past and one stuck his head out the window and shouted, Hey, Tebow's dead. I just heard it on the radio. After their 23rd loss to us in a row, I have to admit, it was pretty funny. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sean Fletcher Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 6:14 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT Ken- I was at the game... there was definitely some cheering by the UK fans after Tebow was hit -- I was disgusted. I think after people realized it was serious the crowd silenced for a bit, and then the Gator section started chanting Lets Go Tebow... and erupted when he finally sat up. Definitely some tense moments there... -Sean On Sep 27, 2009, at 10:34 PM, Ken Kirkley wrote: No blame on the coaches for this. It was a freak injury that could have happened at any time. You have our first road game after a lackluster game, the team needed to continue to improve. Maybe the coaches didn't like some of the reads Tim was making or maybe Tim and his competitive desire demanded to be in the game. I put no blame on the coaches for this. I do have a cople of questions though. After Tim was down, on TV they showed the KY player dancing around like he had just been named homecoming queen - why no penalty? Also, the Miami Herald article stated that the whole stadium was chanting Lets go Tebow as he was down. On TV, and I watched it again this morning, it sure didn't sound like that - instead sounded like they were cheering the fact he was down. Did anybody else catch that? Ken K MNGator _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ken...@earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 4:59 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT It could have happened in the first quarter, but it didn't. It happened with under four minutes in the third quarter, and a 31 - 7 lead. I saw no need for him to still be in the game at that point, particularly since he had been sick before the game. Same for Spikes, with his achilles problem. Certainly, there is a risk of injury on every snap, so once the game is in hand, you weigh the benefit of having him in versus the potential cost. With him in and 18:57 left in the game, we could have beaten Kentucky by 38 or more. Without him, we beat them by less. Is it worth it? I don't think so. Particularly, as Darlene pointed out, that was a perfect opportunity to get Brantley some quality snaps in an SEC road game. Meyer supposedly studies statistics and is very analytical. So the question remains: is it worth the potential risk? I didn't think so before the injury, and still don't. Go Gators Get Well Tim Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone with SprintSpeed _ From: dbadr...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:40:07 -0400 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT Yep...very well said! Now...to all the second-guessers who think he shouldn't have played in the second half..in Coach Meyer's, it's silly, nonsense. This injury could have happened in the first quarter itself. Lets keep praying for Tim! -BadMan On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Cecilia gator...@bellsouth.net wrote: Well said. I have to say, as a mom, it brought tears to my eyes to see his parents standing there. I can imagine what was going through his mama's head. Cee - Original Message - From: 03GatorMom lauries...@gmail.com To: GatorTalk gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:34 AM Subject: [gatortalk] TT It hurt so much to see Tim laying on the ground like that in yesterday's game. To see him put himself physically into a game week after week the way he does is amazing, and inspiring. As a quarterback he could so easily hand off or throw the ball and just slip into the background while the play continues. I have yet to see him do this. He continues to run, tackle, hit - whatever he can do to make a play happen even after it is out of his hands! What happened in the Kentucky game was bound to happen sooner
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Yes, that was a joke. The miami reporter was making a big deal about the canes and Harris last week. They were going to Pasadena and the Heisman ceremony. Oops... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Woody gatorrr...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:50:38 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT Boise, TCU and Cinci have a better shot at it than Miami right now...(in my opinion of course) Woody On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Oliver Barry oli...@bobparks.com wrote: I don’t know about the celebration penalty, but they were definitely cheering that Tebow was hurt. They didn’t settle down until he’d been down several seconds and then only after the trainers went out and knelt down next to him. The only fans cheering “Let’s go Tebow” were a few Gator fans as he was being wheeled off in the cart after he got sick. If the Miami Herald were my only source for Gator news I’d have to sue them for negligence. That is a poor excuse for a newspaper and poorer excuses for reporters. They should be ashamed they don’t have better coverage of the Gators. Heh… I wonder what the Hurricanes odds for making it to Pasadena are after Saturday. J Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 -- *From:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Kirkley *Sent:* Sunday, September 27, 2009 10:34 PM *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [gatortalk] Re: TT No blame on the coaches for this. It was a freak injury that could have happened at any time. You have our first road game after a lackluster game, the team needed to continue to improve. Maybe the coaches didn't like some of the reads Tim was making or maybe Tim and his competitive desire demanded to be in the game. I put no blame on the coaches for this. I do have a cople of questions though. After Tim was down, on TV they showed the KY player dancing around like he had just been named homecoming queen - why no penalty? Also, the Miami Herald article stated that the whole stadium was chanting Lets go Tebow as he was down. On TV, and I watched it again this morning, it sure didn't sound like that - instead sounded like they were cheering the fact he was down. Did anybody else catch that? *Ken K* *MNGator* -- *From:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *ken...@earthlink.net *Sent:* Sunday, September 27, 2009 4:59 PM *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [gatortalk] Re: TT It could have happened in the first quarter, but it didn't. It happened with under four minutes in the third quarter, and a 31 - 7 lead. I saw no need for him to still be in the game at that point, particularly since he had been sick before the game. Same for Spikes, with his achilles problem. Certainly, there is a risk of injury on every snap, so once the game is in hand, you weigh the benefit of having him in versus the potential cost. With him in and 18:57 left in the game, we could have beaten Kentucky by 38 or more. Without him, we beat them by less. Is it worth it? I don't think so. Particularly, as Darlene pointed out, that was a perfect opportunity to get Brantley some quality snaps in an SEC road game. Meyer supposedly studies statistics and is very analytical. So the question remains: is it worth the potential risk? I didn't think so before the injury, and still don't. Go Gators Get Well Tim Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed -- *From*: dbadr...@gmail.com *Date*: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:40:07 -0400 *To*: gatortalk@googlegroups.com *Subject*: [gatortalk] Re: TT Yep...very well said! Now...to all the second-guessers who think he shouldn't have played in the second half..in Coach Meyer's, it's silly, nonsense. This injury could have happened in the first quarter itself. Lets keep praying for Tim! -BadMan On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Cecilia gator...@bellsouth.net wrote: Well said. I have to say, as a mom, it brought tears to my eyes to see his parents standing there. I can imagine what was going through his mama's head. Cee - Original Message - From: 03GatorMom lauries...@gmail.com To: GatorTalk gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:34 AM Subject: [gatortalk] TT It hurt so much to see Tim laying on the ground like that in yesterday's game. To see him put himself physically into a game week after week the way he does is amazing, and inspiring. As a quarterback he could so easily hand off or throw the ball and just slip into the background while the play continues. I have yet to see him do this. He
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Ken- I was at the game... there was definitely some cheering by the UK fans after Tebow was hit -- I was disgusted. I think after people realized it was serious the crowd silenced for a bit, and then the Gator section started chanting Lets Go Tebow... and erupted when he finally sat up. Definitely some tense moments there... -Sean On Sep 27, 2009, at 10:34 PM, Ken Kirkley wrote: No blame on the coaches for this. It was a freak injury that could have happened at any time. You have our first road game after a lackluster game, the team needed to continue to improve. Maybe the coaches didn't like some of the reads Tim was making or maybe Tim and his competitive desire demanded to be in the game. I put no blame on the coaches for this. I do have a cople of questions though. After Tim was down, on TV they showed the KY player dancing around like he had just been named homecoming queen - why no penalty? Also, the Miami Herald article stated that the whole stadium was chanting Lets go Tebow as he was down. On TV, and I watched it again this morning, it sure didn't sound like that - instead sounded like they were cheering the fact he was down. Did anybody else catch that? Ken K MNGator From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ken...@earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 4:59 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT It could have happened in the first quarter, but it didn't. It happened with under four minutes in the third quarter, and a 31 - 7 lead. I saw no need for him to still be in the game at that point, particularly since he had been sick before the game. Same for Spikes, with his achilles problem. Certainly, there is a risk of injury on every snap, so once the game is in hand, you weigh the benefit of having him in versus the potential cost. With him in and 18:57 left in the game, we could have beaten Kentucky by 38 or more. Without him, we beat them by less. Is it worth it? I don't think so. Particularly, as Darlene pointed out, that was a perfect opportunity to get Brantley some quality snaps in an SEC road game. Meyer supposedly studies statistics and is very analytical. So the question remains: is it worth the potential risk? I didn't think so before the injury, and still don't. Go Gators Get Well Tim Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed From: dbadr...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:40:07 -0400 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT Yep...very well said! Now...to all the second-guessers who think he shouldn't have played in the second half..in Coach Meyer's, it's silly, nonsense. This injury could have happened in the first quarter itself. Lets keep praying for Tim! -BadMan On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Cecilia gator...@bellsouth.net wrote: Well said. I have to say, as a mom, it brought tears to my eyes to see his parents standing there. I can imagine what was going through his mama's head. Cee - Original Message - From: 03GatorMom lauries...@gmail.com To: GatorTalk gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:34 AM Subject: [gatortalk] TT It hurt so much to see Tim laying on the ground like that in yesterday's game. To see him put himself physically into a game week after week the way he does is amazing, and inspiring. As a quarterback he could so easily hand off or throw the ball and just slip into the background while the play continues. I have yet to see him do this. He continues to run, tackle, hit - whatever he can do to make a play happen even after it is out of his hands! What happened in the Kentucky game was bound to happen sooner or later, but this young man Tebow, this player who brings out the best in everyone around him including his opponents; this was more than devastating. I have been praying for him on and off all night, I know God has much more planned for his life, on and off the field. Superman may have been down, but he is not out! We love you Tim, God bless you as you continue to seek His direction for your life! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Well said. I have to say, as a mom, it brought tears to my eyes to see his parents standing there. I can imagine what was going through his mama's head. Cee - Original Message - From: 03GatorMom lauries...@gmail.com To: GatorTalk gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:34 AM Subject: [gatortalk] TT It hurt so much to see Tim laying on the ground like that in yesterday's game. To see him put himself physically into a game week after week the way he does is amazing, and inspiring. As a quarterback he could so easily hand off or throw the ball and just slip into the background while the play continues. I have yet to see him do this. He continues to run, tackle, hit - whatever he can do to make a play happen even after it is out of his hands! What happened in the Kentucky game was bound to happen sooner or later, but this young man Tebow, this player who brings out the best in everyone around him including his opponents; this was more than devastating. I have been praying for him on and off all night, I know God has much more planned for his life, on and off the field. Superman may have been down, but he is not out! We love you Tim, God bless you as you continue to seek His direction for your life! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Its people like you cee wanda and literally millions of others that make this place to beautiful...seeing tim on the ground was shocking to me. I couldn't believe that he could be allowed to go down with the amount of our hearts he carries. But God knows tomorrow not me. He has a plan for tim and even if its a realization of the need for prayer in our lives...well then mission accomplished. Tim is such an incredible tool for God that I was able to see the entire team pray for him...myself...and many many others...I don't need to ask God to bless tim...he already has and He's always teaching us...both God and timmy...Isaiah 40:13...tims God inspired message to us... Go Gators !!! Bill -Original Message- From: 03GatorMom lauries...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:34:06 To: GatorTalkgatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] TT It hurt so much to see Tim laying on the ground like that in yesterday's game. To see him put himself physically into a game week after week the way he does is amazing, and inspiring. As a quarterback he could so easily hand off or throw the ball and just slip into the background while the play continues. I have yet to see him do this. He continues to run, tackle, hit - whatever he can do to make a play happen even after it is out of his hands! What happened in the Kentucky game was bound to happen sooner or later, but this young man Tebow, this player who brings out the best in everyone around him including his opponents; this was more than devastating. I have been praying for him on and off all night, I know God has much more planned for his life, on and off the field. Superman may have been down, but he is not out! We love you Tim, God bless you as you continue to seek His direction for your life! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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I am so glad to hear that the medical reports are positive. It was extremely painful to see Tim down on the field, sitting so dazed on the sidelines, being carted off the field and then put in the ambulance. I know I prayed for him and I am sure that thousands of other people did too. Even if he never played another down of football, Tim's an amazing person who makes the world a better place. I hope his parents take him home and feed him chicken soup for at least a few days. It must have been horrible for them. I was glad to hear that Urban spent the night in KY too. On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Bill Hood mrgator...@tampabay.rr.comwrote: Its people like you cee wanda and literally millions of others that make this place to beautiful...seeing tim on the ground was shocking to me. I couldn't believe that he could be allowed to go down with the amount of our hearts he carries. But God knows tomorrow not me. He has a plan for tim and even if its a realization of the need for prayer in our lives...well then mission accomplished. Tim is such an incredible tool for God that I was able to see the entire team pray for him...myself...and many many others...I don't need to ask God to bless tim...he already has and He's always teaching us...both God and timmy...Isaiah 40:13...tims God inspired message to us... Go Gators !!! Bill -Original Message- From: 03GatorMom lauries...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:34:06 To: GatorTalkgatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] TT It hurt so much to see Tim laying on the ground like that in yesterday's game. To see him put himself physically into a game week after week the way he does is amazing, and inspiring. As a quarterback he could so easily hand off or throw the ball and just slip into the background while the play continues. I have yet to see him do this. He continues to run, tackle, hit - whatever he can do to make a play happen even after it is out of his hands! What happened in the Kentucky game was bound to happen sooner or later, but this young man Tebow, this player who brings out the best in everyone around him including his opponents; this was more than devastating. I have been praying for him on and off all night, I know God has much more planned for his life, on and off the field. Superman may have been down, but he is not out! We love you Tim, God bless you as you continue to seek His direction for your life! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Yep...very well said! Now...to all the second-guessers who think he shouldn't have played in the second half..in Coach Meyer's, it's silly, nonsense. This injury could have happened in the first quarter itself. Lets keep praying for Tim! -BadMan On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Cecilia gator...@bellsouth.net wrote: Well said. I have to say, as a mom, it brought tears to my eyes to see his parents standing there. I can imagine what was going through his mama's head. Cee - Original Message - From: 03GatorMom lauries...@gmail.com To: GatorTalk gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:34 AM Subject: [gatortalk] TT It hurt so much to see Tim laying on the ground like that in yesterday's game. To see him put himself physically into a game week after week the way he does is amazing, and inspiring. As a quarterback he could so easily hand off or throw the ball and just slip into the background while the play continues. I have yet to see him do this. He continues to run, tackle, hit - whatever he can do to make a play happen even after it is out of his hands! What happened in the Kentucky game was bound to happen sooner or later, but this young man Tebow, this player who brings out the best in everyone around him including his opponents; this was more than devastating. I have been praying for him on and off all night, I know God has much more planned for his life, on and off the field. Superman may have been down, but he is not out! We love you Tim, God bless you as you continue to seek His direction for your life! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Meyer is also very conservative when it comes to protecting a lead. Four years ago he pulled the starters at UK with what he thought was a safe lead only to have to put them back in, cold, after the second teamers gave the Cats an opportunity to get back into the game. The shame is, that was probably going to be Tim's last series and it would have been over anyway were it not for the bogus holding call on Hernandez that wiped out a TD. Steve M --- On Sun, 9/27/09, ken...@earthlink.net ken...@earthlink.net wrote: It could have happened in the first quarter, but it didn't. It happened with under four minutes in the third quarter, and a 31 - 7 lead. Meyer supposedly studies statistics and is very analytical. So the question remains: is it worth the potential risk? I didn't think so before the injury, and still don't. From: dbadr...@gmail.com Now...to all the second-guessers who think he shouldn't have played in the second half..in Coach Meyer's, it's silly, nonsense. This injury could have happened in the first quarter itself. Lets keep praying for Tim! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
