[gatortalk] Re: Tebow and pass effiency
What about the new QB coach wanting tebow to check 3rd and 4th receivers? Original Message Subject: [gatortalk] Tebow and pass effiencyFrom: Steve McKibben augiega...@yahoo.comDate: Fri, October 23, 2009 12:47 pmTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.com There has been a lot of discussion on our passing game, what's wrong/right with it, etc.Any criticisms are usually met, at least once, with it being pointed out that UF/Tebow are #1 in passing efficiency, and therefore we can't be doing all that badly.I don't know if it's down to Tebow's "look once, twice - run" mentality, Meyer's obsession with ball security, or what, but I believe that the pass efficiency rating is, at least partially, a byproduct of perhaps being too careful with the ball.That sounds like a silly concept, but consider the following: When did our offense really seem to find it's feet last year? Most point to the second half of the Arky game. And a great deal of that spark came from the long runs from Demps and Rainey, I know, but those may have been influenced to some degree by the Hogs' defenders having to concern themselves with a bolder Tebow.Bolder how? I suggest that throwing the pick that he did in the first half, which ended a long string of attempts without one, may have "freed" Tim to take more chances passing the ball.From what I've observed, this season Tim rarely passes the ball on timing routes - he seems to need to see separation first, before he'll pass. When he doesn't, and pulls the ball down and runs, there is no chance for an INT, and the pass efficiency rating doesn't suffer, but as a result we may miss out on some big plays for the sake of staying out of bad ones.Again, that may be (and has been) ascribed to a number of reasons, from a lack of confidence/coordination with the receivers, lingering effects from his concussion, or just a conservative nature inherent to Tim or instilled in him by the coaches. I'm not saying that any of our team is playing for stats at the expense of production, I just feel that the sometimes ultra-conservative way we've seen the passing game implemented may be as big of a factor in achieving that one particular statistic, and as such it may not be the best way to judge how effective our passing game has been up to this point in time.I hope that by Sunday morning we'll all feel better about how we're passing the ball, and this post will look foolish in hindsight (ducking!). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Tebow and pass effiency
To be honest, I haven't seen much evidence of that - at least not since the Kentucky game (if then). He either hasn't had much time, or he's been hot to tuck and run. --- On Fri, 10/23/09, ke...@baldwinnc.com ke...@baldwinnc.com wrote: What about the new QB coach wanting tebow to check 3rd and 4th receivers? Original Message There has been a lot of discussion on our passing game, what's wrong/right with it, etc. Any criticisms are usually met, at least once, with it being pointed out that UF/Tebow are #1 in passing efficiency, and therefore we can't be doing all that badly. I don't know if it's down to Tebow's look once, twice - run mentality, Meyer's obsession with ball security, or what, but I believe that the pass efficiency rating is, at least partially, a byproduct of perhaps being too careful with the ball. That sounds like a silly concept, but consider the following: When did our offense really seem to find it's feet last year? Most point to the second half of the Arky game. And a great deal of that spark came from the long runs from Demps and Rainey, I know, but those may have been influenced to some degree by the Hogs' defenders having to concern themselves with a bolder Tebow. Bolder how? I suggest that throwing the pick that he did in the first half, which ended a long string of attempts without one, may have freed Tim to take more chances passing the ball. From what I've observed, this season Tim rarely passes the ball on timing routes - he seems to need to see separation first, before he'll pass. When he doesn't, and pulls the ball down and runs, there is no chance for an INT, and the pass efficiency rating doesn't suffer, but as a result we may miss out on some big plays for the sake of staying out of bad ones. Again, that may be (and has been) ascribed to a number of reasons, from a lack of confidence/coordination with the receivers, lingering effects from his concussion, or just a conservative nature inherent to Tim or instilled in him by the coaches. I'm not saying that any of our team is playing for stats at the expense of production, I just feel that the sometimes ultra-conservative way we've seen the passing game implemented may be as big of a factor in achieving that one particular statistic, and as such it may not be the best way to judge how effective our passing game has been up to this point in time. I hope that by Sunday morning we'll all feel better about how we're passing the ball, and this post will look foolish in hindsight (ducking!). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Tebow and pass effiency
I think it is the coaches not having the confidence in the younger receivers, so for the most part we are running a 1 or 2 WR set. It is hard to see on TV since they don't show the whole play developing (must be part of that media blackout thingy), but the times you can see our receivers quite often they are simply there to pull the safeties to one side of the field or to begin blocking. Even in our 5 wide sets, we rarely look past Cooper and Hernandez. The whole team is playing tight. Coaches and players. It is a game, go out have fun. I mean after all, according to the MiamiPalmBeachPostHerald news this morning: But the truth is, Tim Tebow isn't deserving of all this Heisman talk. Not this year, anyway. Not when he's having an ordinary season on a team that hasn't lived up to expectations. At 6-0, ranked #1, we are just ordinary... Ken K MNGator _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve McKibben Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 11:59 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Tebow and pass effiency To be honest, I haven't seen much evidence of that - at least not since the Kentucky game (if then). He either hasn't had much time, or he's been hot to tuck and run. --- On Fri, 10/23/09, ke...@baldwinnc.com ke...@baldwinnc.com wrote: What about the new QB coach wanting tebow to check 3rd and 4th receivers? Original Message There has been a lot of discussion on our passing game, what's wrong/right with it, etc. Any criticisms are usually met, at least once, with it being pointed out that UF/Tebow are #1 in passing efficiency, and therefore we can't be doing all that badly. I don't know if it's down to Tebow's look once, twice - run mentality, Meyer's obsession with ball security, or what, but I believe that the pass efficiency rating is, at least partially, a byproduct of perhaps being too careful with the ball. That sounds like a silly concept, but consider the following: When did our offense really seem to find it's feet last year? Most point to the second half of the Arky game. And a great deal of that spark came from the long runs from Demps and Rainey, I know, but those may have been influenced to some degree by the Hogs' defenders having to concern themselves with a bolder Tebow. Bolder how? I suggest that throwing the pick that he did in the first half, which ended a long string of attempts without one, may have freed Tim to take more chances passing the ball. From what I've observed, this season Tim rarely passes the ball on timing routes - he seems to need to see separation first, before he'll pass. When he doesn't, and pulls the ball down and runs, there is no chance for an INT, and the pass efficiency rating doesn't suffer, but as a result we may miss out on some big plays for the sake of staying out of bad ones. Again, that may be (and has been) ascribed to a number of reasons, from a lack of confidence/coordination with the receivers, lingering effects from his concussion, or just a conservative nature inherent to Tim or instilled in him by the coaches. I'm not saying that any of our team is playing for stats at the expense of production, I just feel that the sometimes ultra-conservative way we've seen the passing game implemented may be as big of a factor in achieving that one particular statistic, and as such it may not be the best way to judge how effective our passing game has been up to this point in time. I hope that by Sunday morning we'll all feel better about how we're passing the ball, and this post will look foolish in hindsight (ducking!). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Tebow and pass effiency
I complain as much as anyone - but you are correct. We are #1 and ranked #1 in many SEC categories. What is there to complain about? My concern is - can we win the SEC CG and BCS CG? Original Message Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Tebow and pass effiencyFrom: "Ken Kirkley" k...@kirkley.netDate: Fri, October 23, 2009 1:21 pmTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.com I think it is the coaches not having the confidence in the younger receivers, so for the most part we are running a 1 or 2 WR set. It is hard to see on TV since they don't show the whole play developing (must be part of that media blackout thingy), but the times you can see our receivers quite often they are simply there to pull the safeties to one side of the field or to begin blocking. Even in our 5 wide sets,we rarely look past Cooper and Hernandez. The whole team is playing tight. Coaches and players. It is a game, go out have fun. I mean after all, according to the MiamiPalmBeachPostHerald news this morning: "But the truth is, Tim Tebow isn't deserving of all this Heisman talk. Not this year, anyway. Not when he's having an ordinary season on a team that hasn't lived up to expectations." At 6-0, ranked #1, we are just ordinary... KenK MNGator From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve McKibbenSent: Friday, October 23, 2009 11:59 AMTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.comSubject: [gatortalk] Re: Tebow and pass effiency To be honest, I haven't seen much evidence of that - at least not since the Kentucky game (if then). He either hasn't had much time, or he's been hot to tuck and run.--- On Fri, 10/23/09, ke...@baldwinnc.com ke...@baldwinnc.com wrote: What about the new QB coach wanting tebow to check 3rd and 4th receivers? Original Message There has been a lot of discussion on our passing game, what's wrong/right with it, etc.Any criticisms are usually met, at least once, with it being pointed out that UF/Tebow are #1 in passing efficiency, and therefore we can't be doing all that badly.I don't know if it's down to Tebow's "look once, twice - run" mentality, Meyer's obsession with ball security, or what, but I believe that the pass efficiency rating is, at least partially, a byproduct of perhaps being too careful with the ball.That sounds like a silly concept, but consider the following: When did our offense really seem to find it's feet last year? Most point to the second half of the Arky game. And a great deal of that spark came from the long runs from Demps and Rainey, I know, but those may have been influenced to some degree by the Hogs' defenders having to concern themselves with a bolder Tebow.Bolder how? I suggest that throwing the pick that he did in the first half, which ended a long string of attempts without one, may have "freed" Tim to take more chances passing the ball.From what I've observed, this season Tim rarely passes the ball on timing routes - he seems to need to see separation first, before he'll pass. When he doesn't, and pulls the ball down and runs, there is no chance for an INT, and the pass efficiency rating doesn't suffer, but as a result we may miss out on some big plays for the sake of staying out of bad ones.Again, that may be (and has been) ascribed to a number of reasons, from a lack of confidence/coordination with the receivers, lingering effects from his concussion, or just a conservative nature inherent to Tim or instilled in him by the coaches. I'm not saying that any of our team is playing for stats at the expense of production, I just feel that the sometimes ultra-conservative way we've seen the passing game implemented may be as big of a factor in achieving that one particular statistic, and as such it may not be the best way to judge how effective our passing game has been up to this point in time.I hope that by Sunday morning we'll all feel better about how we're passing the ball, and this post will look foolish in hindsight (ducking!). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: Tebow and pass effiency
Great discussion. I fear we are playing a bit to “sweater vest” like. We know where that gets you. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ke...@baldwinnc.com Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 1:47 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Tebow and pass effiency I complain as much as anyone - but you are correct. We are #1 and ranked #1 in many SEC categories. What is there to complain about? My concern is - can we win the SEC CG and BCS CG? Original Message Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Tebow and pass effiency From: Ken Kirkley k...@kirkley.net Date: Fri, October 23, 2009 1:21 pm To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com I think it is the coaches not having the confidence in the younger receivers, so for the most part we are running a 1 or 2 WR set. It is hard to see on TV since they don't show the whole play developing (must be part of that media blackout thingy), but the times you can see our receivers quite often they are simply there to pull the safeties to one side of the field or to begin blocking. Even in our 5 wide sets, we rarely look past Cooper and Hernandez. The whole team is playing tight. Coaches and players. It is a game, go out have fun. I mean after all, according to the MiamiPalmBeachPostHerald news this morning: But the truth is, Tim Tebow isn't deserving of all this Heisman talk. Not this year, anyway. Not when he's having an ordinary season on a team that hasn't lived up to expectations. At 6-0, ranked #1, we are just ordinary... Ken K MNGator From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve McKibben Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 11:59 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Tebow and pass effiency To be honest, I haven't seen much evidence of that - at least not since the Kentucky game (if then). He either hasn't had much time, or he's been hot to tuck and run. --- On Fri, 10/23/09, ke...@baldwinnc.com ke...@baldwinnc.com wrote: What about the new QB coach wanting tebow to check 3rd and 4th receivers? Original Message There has been a lot of discussion on our passing game, what's wrong/right with it, etc. Any criticisms are usually met, at least once, with it being pointed out that UF/Tebow are #1 in passing efficiency, and therefore we can't be doing all that badly. I don't know if it's down to Tebow's look once, twice - run mentality, Meyer's obsession with ball security, or what, but I believe that the pass efficiency rating is, at least partially, a byproduct of perhaps being too careful with the ball. That sounds like a silly concept, but consider the following: When did our offense really seem to find it's feet last year? Most point to the second half of the Arky game. And a great deal of that spark came from the long runs from Demps and Rainey, I know, but those may have been influenced to some degree by the Hogs' defenders having to concern themselves with a bolder Tebow. Bolder how? I suggest that throwing the pick that he did in the first half, which ended a long string of attempts without one, may have freed Tim to take more chances passing the ball. From what I've observed, this season Tim rarely passes the ball on timing routes - he seems to need to see separation first, before he'll pass. When he doesn't, and pulls the ball down and runs, there is no chance for an INT, and the pass efficiency rating doesn't suffer, but as a result we may miss out on some big plays for the sake of staying out of bad ones. Again, that may be (and has been) ascribed to a number of reasons, from a lack of confidence/coordination with the receivers, lingering effects from his concussion, or just a conservative nature inherent to Tim or instilled in him by the coaches. I'm not saying that any of our team is playing for stats at the expense of production, I just feel that the sometimes ultra-conservative way we've seen the passing game implemented may be as big of a factor in achieving that one particular statistic, and as such it may not be the best way to judge how effective our passing game has been up to this point in time. I hope that by Sunday morning we'll all feel better about how we're passing the ball, and this post will look foolish in hindsight (ducking!). /TABLEBR --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
