Re: FW: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win"

2009-10-21 Thread Woody
I concur... There were way way way too many mistakes this past saturday...
which surprises me with it being such a "mature" team...

Woody

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Jay Cicone wrote:

>   *Couldn’t agree more. Fewer mistakes on our part and both of those games
> are blowouts. When we get it together, Bama will have their hands full.*
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> *From:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Ken Kirkley
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:26 PM
>
> *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
>
>
>
> If Tebow doesn't fumble on the 2 against UT, we are up 31-6 and win going
> away.  If Cooper doesn't drop a TD bomb last week and we don't fumble twice
> and miss a field goal, we win going away.  We have to force teams to throw
> to force turnovers and right now they are staying close (or leading) by
> playing ball control.
>
>
>
> Stop making mistakes and start opening up the offense a bit and everyone
> will start talking about how we have finally gotten into our rhythm.
>
>
>
> *Ken K*
>
> *MNGator*
>
>
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *oli...@bobparks.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:57 AM
> *To:* Gator Talk
> *Subject:* [gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
>
> We're really playing pretty much like we have every season since Meyer has
> been at UF.
> Although we may be a bit more conservative than usual we're doing what we
> do in the beginning of the season.
> By the end, when we get to Alabama, I suspect the offense will gel into the
> machine it is capable of being. And the defense, there's no worry there. I
> know, they have a 1 quarter let down. Take that away and they've allowed 3
> touchdowns for the season.
> As I mentioned earlier, let's let Bammy carry that AP albatross awhile.
> Maybe we'll loosen up a little more and have the big finish to the season
> we've come to expect.
>
> Steve is right. The big blowouts are fan generated expectations. Yes, a win
> is a win. Let's enjoy the ride.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>  --
>
> *From: *Steve McKibben 
>
> *Date: *Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:28:31 -0700 (PDT)
>
> *To: *
>
> *Subject: *[gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
>
>
>
> --- On *Wed, 10/21/09, Woody * wrote:
>
> *A win is a win is a win... Ill take em.  But is anyone else getting the
> impression that that mentality may be setting us back?*
>
> The fan base more than the team, IMO
>
>  * - We're #1... and so long as we win we're in.  But will that remain
> true if Bama or whoever shows to be more impressive as the season continues?
> *
>
>  If it's only Bama that leapfrogs us (and keep in mind they've only done
> that in the AP poll so far, which is NOT a component of the BCS poll which
> selects the participants in the title game), then, if we "just win" out,
> we'll get to decide the "BCS semi-final" on the field with them. To carry
> that further, even if we were to drop to #4 in the BCS, a win over a #1 Bama
> would likely get us back in the top 2. #3 or better at that point and it's
> win, we're in.
>
>  *- these problems are not just due to Tebows concussion.. that cannot be
> an excuse.. he's been on his game.  But the entire game cannot rest on his
> shoulders.*
>
>  I'll be interested to see if we run the read option play this week.
> That's where Tebow puts the ball in the tailback's belly as if he's running
> a dive play then, depending on his read, can pull it out and run it wide,
> and possibly pitch it to the trailer. We were killing Kentucky with that
> pay, and (ostensibly) to protect Tebow, we have not run it since. We were
> able to gash LSU with the straight dive, but Arkansas schemed to take that
> away, and we struggled on the ground against them for the most part.
>
>  *- "just win" because the entire year is going to be a struggle because
> they are not as good of a team as we thought.  That atleast seems to be
> true... *
>
>  And that could be true - especially if the "as good of a team as we
> thought" part means as good as those hyper inflated "best team ever"
> expectations.
>
>  *- "just win" because Addazzio is still getting his feet wet as a OC and
> is going through a learning curve, hence why we are not very productive.
> Maybe he's playin it too safe and doesnt wanna screw up?  *
>
>  While he's the OC, our plays are scripted called, and reviewed by
> committee and Meyer has the final say. Not saying the old OL coach doesn't
> like to give his hosses the opportunity to play smashmouth, but I think if
> anyone is reigning in the playcalling, it's probably Meyer.
>
>  *look..I know meyer isnt happy that we arent happy with just accepting a
> win... i dont think thats what we are up in arms about... Im not so sure
> thats the case at all... i think everyone of us would accept a win... but I
> do think this mentality of "just go in and get out with a w

FW: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win"

2009-10-21 Thread Jay Cicone
Couldn't agree more. Fewer mistakes on our part and both of those games
are blowouts. When we get it together, Bama will have their hands full.

 

 

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Ken Kirkley
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:26 PM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win"

 

If Tebow doesn't fumble on the 2 against UT, we are up 31-6 and win
going away.  If Cooper doesn't drop a TD bomb last week and we don't
fumble twice and miss a field goal, we win going away.  We have to force
teams to throw to force turnovers and right now they are staying close
(or leading) by playing ball control.  

 

Stop making mistakes and start opening up the offense a bit and everyone
will start talking about how we have finally gotten into our rhythm.

 

Ken K

MNGator

 

 



From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of oli...@bobparks.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:57 AM
To: Gator Talk
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win"

We're really playing pretty much like we have every season since Meyer
has been at UF. 
Although we may be a bit more conservative than usual we're doing what
we do in the beginning of the season. 
By the end, when we get to Alabama, I suspect the offense will gel into
the machine it is capable of being. And the defense, there's no worry
there. I know, they have a 1 quarter let down. Take that away and
they've allowed 3 touchdowns for the season. 
As I mentioned earlier, let's let Bammy carry that AP albatross awhile.
Maybe we'll loosen up a little more and have the big finish to the
season we've come to expect. 

Steve is right. The big blowouts are fan generated expectations. Yes, a
win is a win. Let's enjoy the ride. 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



From: Steve McKibben  

Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:28:31 -0700 (PDT)

To: 

Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win"

 

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Woody  wrote:

A win is a win is a win... Ill take em.  But is anyone else getting the
impression that that mentality may be setting us back?

The fan base more than the team, IMO

 - We're #1... and so long as we win we're in.  But will that
remain true if Bama or whoever shows to be more impressive as the season
continues?

If it's only Bama that leapfrogs us (and keep in mind they've only done
that in the AP poll so far, which is NOT a component of the BCS poll
which selects the participants in the title game), then, if we "just
win" out, we'll get to decide the "BCS semi-final" on the field with
them. To carry that further, even if we were to drop to #4 in the BCS, a
win over a #1 Bama would likely get us back in the top 2. #3 or better
at that point and it's win, we're in.

- these problems are not just due to Tebows concussion.. that
cannot be an excuse.. he's been on his game.  But the entire game cannot
rest on his shoulders.

I'll be interested to see if we run the read option play this week.
That's where Tebow puts the ball in the tailback's belly as if he's
running a dive play then, depending on his read, can pull it out and run
it wide, and possibly pitch it to the trailer. We were killing Kentucky
with that pay, and (ostensibly) to protect Tebow, we have not run it
since. We were able to gash LSU with the straight dive, but Arkansas
schemed to take that away, and we struggled on the ground against them
for the most part.

- "just win" because the entire year is going to be a struggle
because they are not as good of a team as we thought.  That atleast
seems to be true... 

And that could be true - especially if the "as good of a team as we
thought" part means as good as those hyper inflated "best team ever"
expectations. 

- "just win" because Addazzio is still getting his feet wet as a
OC and is going through a learning curve, hence why we are not very
productive.  Maybe he's playin it too safe and doesnt wanna screw up?  

While he's the OC, our plays are scripted called, and reviewed by
committee and Meyer has the final say. Not saying the old OL coach
doesn't like to give his hosses the opportunity to play smashmouth, but
I think if anyone is reigning in the playcalling, it's probably Meyer.

look..I know meyer isnt happy that we arent happy with just
accepting a win... i dont think thats what we are up in arms about... Im
not so sure thats the case at all... i think everyone of us would accept
a win... but I do think this mentality of "just go in and get out with a
win" may be the wrong mindset.  I think it also shows that Meyer doesnt
have that much confidence in this team or someone that is keeping them
from being a dominant figure.

Last year we were very good at not turing the ball over and also very
good at taking it away. That gave our offense a lot of short fields (and
in many cases defensive scores) that allowed our naturally conservative
coaches to loose