Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake
I agree, Dave. We are watching the sprouting of the next generation in the Gator dynasty. A. Leon Polhill, Gator "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain From: Dave Rice To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 10:38:55 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake No cut & pastes from me, so this will be short & sweet. The refs blew the call. The pass was toward the line of scrimmage, therefore a forward pass. The position of the player doesn’t matter. Even after that being said, I fail to understand why there was no cornerback outside watching for a fake. LSU routinely runs a fake FG. And – the play of the safeties and corners on deep routes was not good at all. Someone should have stuffed the receiver at the LOS. Last – a member of our Gator Club counted the roster and there are well over 50 redshirt sophomores on down to pure freshmen on the team and a bunch are playing a lot. It’s like putting the underclassmen up against a varsity every game. As much as we don’t want to admit, we have to: the Gators are a young, inexperienced team. It’s all cyclical. That’s it. Later & Go Gators! Dave Rice Home: dri...@austin.rr.com Work: david_r...@roundrockisd.org -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake
On Oct 11, 2010, at 10:38 PM, Dave Rice wrote: there are well over 50 redshirt sophomores on down to pure freshmen on the team and a bunch are playing a lot. It’s like putting the underclassmen up against a varsity every game. If you sign an average of 20 players every year and redshirt most of your signees, you will always have 50 to 60 Freshmen and Sophomores. Seems average, not young. -Zeb -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake
If you have 85 scholarship players, 50 underclassmen is a lot. And it's also the price you pay for success, as upperclassmen tend to stay less than the maximum of five years - the very best ones now rarely stay past three. Couple that with our staff's unwillingness to give players a chance to play until they've "earned their trust" and it follows that whenever you have your best juniors and seniors leave, you will be left with a lot of players with limited experience. And that's where we're at right now. John Vega wrote: On Oct 11, 2010, at 10:38 PM, Dave Rice wrote: there are well over 50 redshirt sophomores on down to pure freshmen on the team and a bunch are playing a lot. It’s like putting the underclassmen up against a varsity every game. If you sign an average of 20 players every year and redshirt most of your signees, you will always have 50 to 60 Freshmen and Sophomores. Seems average, not young. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake
On Oct 12, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Steve McKibben wrote: If you have 85 scholarship players, 50 underclassmen is a lot. This math just doesn't seem right. If you sign 20 players every class, redshirt everyone, and lost only 1.5 players each year due to transfers, grades, stolen computers and the ilk, your classes stack out as follows: 20 True Freshmen 18.5Redshirt Freshmen 17 Redshirt Sophomores 15.5Redshirt Juniors 14 Redshirt Seniors Total: 85, of which 55 are Freshmen and Sophomores. That would mean that a team with only 50 underclassmen is a relatively veteran team. The current trend towards playing more true freshmen, skews some of the other numbers higher, but that is more than balanced by early NFL entrants and the reality that more than one and a half players leave UF every year due to transfers, grades, plice problems, etc. This sounds like an excuse. The reality is that we returned 4 out of 5 linemen from one of the top lines in college football and a QB that was Gatorade National Player of the Year, has been in the system for 3.5 years, and was 54 of 76 with 10 TDs and one INT coming in to this season. We were set up for a Peter Tom Willis-type season with a veteran experienced line and QB. Now it is a rebuilding year because we lost Tebow? -Zeb -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake
Go back and tell me the last year that we redshirted everyone, or even half of our incoming freshman class, and we'll talk. Fact is we sign more than twenty every year because fourth and fifth year players are becoming more and more scarce - due to all of the various types of attrition you mentioned. And when you have a staff that is conservative in nature, (and lord knows ours is) it exacerbates the problem because the conservative play calling keeps games closer than they have to be, so less mop up duty for the youngsters. In addition, our staff seems to set a higher standard of (practice?) excellence before the players have earned enough "trust" to see the field. Your "relatively veteran team" may be so in terms of time spent on campus, but not when it comes to minutes spent on the field. --- On Tue, 10/12/10, John Vega wrote: On Oct 12, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Steve McKibben wrote: If you have 85 scholarship players, 50 underclassmen is a lot. If you sign 20 players every class, redshirt everyone, and lost only 1.5 players each year due to transfers, grades, stolen computers and the ilk, your classes stack out as follows: 20 True Freshmen18.5 Redshirt Freshmen17 Redshirt Sophomores 15.5Redshirt Juniors14 Redshirt Seniors Total: 85, of which 55 are Freshmen and Sophomores. That would mean that a team with only 50 underclassmen is a relatively veteran team. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake
On Oct 12, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Steve McKibben wrote: Go back and tell me the last year that we redshirted everyone, or even half of our incoming freshman class, and we'll talk. Fact is we sign more than twenty every year because fourth and fifth year players are becoming more and more scarce - due to all of the various types of attrition you mentioned. Veteran is a relative term. I assert that there is no factual basis for the claim that we have substantially fewer upperclassmen (or more underclassmen) than any top-level football program in the country. I will go further and say that this "50 to 55" underclassmen and "this is a young team" excuse is used in lieu of "this is a lousy team" or "this team has problems." Do we really think that we have more underclassmen than Oklahoma? Alabama? Auburn? Nebraska? -Zeb -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake
"And when you have a staff that is conservative in nature, (and lord knows ours is) it exacerbates the problem because the conservative play calling keeps games closer than they have to be, so less mop up duty for the youngsters." Yet another way in which the OHBC was/is a genius. Most people couldn't understand why he had such a penchant for RUTS, but - when you think about the opposite, conservative approach we're seeing now - putting a game far out of reach every chance you get so you can give your less experienced players some game time seems like a stroke of genius. Besides, the fans love RUTS, even if the opponent's fans and coaches... and some announcers... make derisive comments about the coach who does it. Cee - Original Message - From: Steve McKibben To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake Go back and tell me the last year that we redshirted everyone, or even half of our incoming freshman class, and we'll talk. Fact is we sign more than twenty every year because fourth and fifth year players are becoming more and more scarce - due to all of the various types of attrition you mentioned. And when you have a staff that is conservative in nature, (and lord knows ours is) it exacerbates the problem because the conservative play calling keeps games closer than they have to be, so less mop up duty for the youngsters. In addition, our staff seems to set a higher standard of (practice?) excellence before the players have earned enough "trust" to see the field. Your "relatively veteran team" may be so in terms of time spent on campus, but not when it comes to minutes spent on the field. --- On Tue, 10/12/10, John Vega wrote: On Oct 12, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Steve McKibben wrote: If you have 85 scholarship players, 50 underclassmen is a lot. If you sign 20 players every class, redshirt everyone, and lost only 1.5 players each year due to transfers, grades, stolen computers and the ilk, your classes stack out as follows: 20 True Freshmen 18.5 Redshirt Freshmen 17 Redshirt Sophomores 15.5 Redshirt Juniors 14 Redshirt Seniors Total: 85, of which 55 are Freshmen and Sophomores. That would mean that a team with only 50 underclassmen is a relatively veteran team. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
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OK - this is a team that has problems (I'll give you that, but not "lousy"). We may not have more underclassmen on the roster than any of the schools you cited, or even than on the average NCAA FBS roster. But I'll venture that we may have one of the most inexperienced teams (as in minutes played in previous years vs minutes played this year) in the same division. That being said, I think that the unit that has the most returning experience on our whole squad, the OL, is also the most underperforming. (Not coincidentally, they are the largest position group that plays in games, and their coach has to divide his time because he's also the offensive coordinator. ) So, if you want to cling to your assertion that having 50 underclassmen on the roster doesn't mean that we're young, so be it - congratulations, you win (probably). It doesn't change my assertion that we are a young (as in experienced players playing in the games) team. John Vega wrote: I will go further and say that this "50 to 55" underclassmen and "this is a young team" excuse is used in lieu of "this is a lousy team" or "this team has problems." Do we really think that we have more underclassmen than Oklahoma? Alabama? Auburn? Nebraska? -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
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Yes, we do have more underclassmen than the schools you mention. Nor did we just lose Tebow. We lost what, 11 players to the NFL? We also lost more than that in Srs. Some of those lost were juniors, like Pouncy. Our Gatorade Player of the year does have campus time, as Steve mentioned, but not game experience. Our fabulous recruiting class? All are still freshmen some of whom are starting. We are a young team by anyone's imagination. A team that lots of people thought would be great, and they are, but aren't as great as thought. The lack of experience is obvious. They're young, mostly, and no amount of "coaching them up" is going to make up for that. We'll just have to do the dreaded "wait until next year" until they get better. As Randy also said, I'm not giving up on them. They'll be fine. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: John Vega Sender: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:39:19 To: Reply-To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake On Oct 12, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Steve McKibben wrote: > Go back and tell me the last year that we redshirted everyone, or > even half of our incoming freshman class, and we'll talk. > > Fact is we sign more than twenty every year because fourth and > fifth year players are becoming more and more scarce - due to all > of the various types of attrition you mentioned. Veteran is a relative term. I assert that there is no factual basis for the claim that we have substantially fewer upperclassmen (or more underclassmen) than any top-level football program in the country. I will go further and say that this "50 to 55" underclassmen and "this is a young team" excuse is used in lieu of "this is a lousy team" or "this team has problems." Do we really think that we have more underclassmen than Oklahoma? Alabama? Auburn? Nebraska? -Zeb -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
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On Oct 12, 2010, at 3:57 PM, oli...@bobparks.com wrote: > Yes, we do have more underclassmen than the schools you mention. > Do we really think that we have more underclassmen than Oklahoma? Alabama? > Auburn? Nebraska? Signees per Scout.com: 201020092008Total Oklahoma29 23 21 73 Alabama 29 27 32 88 Auburn 32 27 28 87 Nebraska22 21 28 71 Florida 28 16 22 66 I'm not one to figure out by hand what team redshirted more players than the other team, but it doesn't seem possible that we could have that many more young players than these other teams (if any at all). It would be pretty astounding if we were younger than Alabama, with 88 signees over the last three years to our 66. I do see the merit in Steve's point that a lot of our backups, while they may have had plenty of time on campus, have not seen the field that much. Cee's point is well taken, and one could take it a bit further and argue that the backups to key players such as Tebow and Spikes should have participated in more plays last year, but did not. Remember the one year we sat Weurffel for an entire game just to give his backup additional experience? -Zeb -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
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John Vega wrote: Remember the one year we sat Weurffel for an entire game just to give his backup additional experience? Yeah - Eric Kresser. And if I'm not mistaken, he set a record for passing yards for a Gator QB in that game. Then promptly transferred to Marshall. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
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I guess the best way to say what I was attempting is we have more underclassmen playing. And, more inexperienced players playing, Brantley, Elam for example. We have mostly the same coaching staff. Mullins is gone, I know, but Meyer has a headset when the offense and defense have the ball. If we're looking for reasons, more underclassmen/inexperienced are in more crucial roles is a good reason. If we're looking for scapegoats... Plenty, coaches, players, refs, booing fans, somebody hung the Work em silly banner crooked, etc. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: John Vega Sender: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 16:51:01 To: Reply-To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake On Oct 12, 2010, at 3:57 PM, oli...@bobparks.com wrote: > Yes, we do have more underclassmen than the schools you mention. > Do we really think that we have more underclassmen than Oklahoma? Alabama? > Auburn? Nebraska? Signees per Scout.com: 201020092008Total Oklahoma29 23 21 73 Alabama 29 27 32 88 Auburn 32 27 28 87 Nebraska22 21 28 71 Florida 28 16 22 66 I'm not one to figure out by hand what team redshirted more players than the other team, but it doesn't seem possible that we could have that many more young players than these other teams (if any at all). It would be pretty astounding if we were younger than Alabama, with 88 signees over the last three years to our 66. I do see the merit in Steve's point that a lot of our backups, while they may have had plenty of time on campus, have not seen the field that much. Cee's point is well taken, and one could take it a bit further and argue that the backups to key players such as Tebow and Spikes should have participated in more plays last year, but did not. Remember the one year we sat Weurffel for an entire game just to give his backup additional experience? -Zeb -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
RE: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake
Hear, hear! RUTS! RUTS! We want RUTS! Harumph! J Randy From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cecilia Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:52 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake "And when you have a staff that is conservative in nature, (and lord knows ours is) it exacerbates the problem because the conservative play calling keeps games closer than they have to be, so less mop up duty for the youngsters." Yet another way in which the OHBC was/is a genius. Most people couldn't understand why he had such a penchant for RUTS, but - when you think about the opposite, conservative approach we're seeing now - putting a game far out of reach every chance you get so you can give your less experienced players some game time seems like a stroke of genius. Besides, the fans love RUTS, even if the opponent's fans and coaches... and some announcers... make derisive comments about the coach who does it. Cee - Original Message - From: Steve McKibben <mailto:augiega...@yahoo.com> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake Go back and tell me the last year that we redshirted everyone, or even half of our incoming freshman class, and we'll talk. Fact is we sign more than twenty every year because fourth and fifth year players are becoming more and more scarce - due to all of the various types of attrition you mentioned. And when you have a staff that is conservative in nature, (and lord knows ours is) it exacerbates the problem because the conservative play calling keeps games closer than they have to be, so less mop up duty for the youngsters. In addition, our staff seems to set a higher standard of (practice?) excellence before the players have earned enough "trust" to see the field. Your "relatively veteran team" may be so in terms of time spent on campus, but not when it comes to minutes spent on the field. --- On Tue, 10/12/10, John Vega wrote: On Oct 12, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Steve McKibben wrote: If you have 85 scholarship players, 50 underclassmen is a lot. If you sign 20 players every class, redshirt everyone, and lost only 1.5 players each year due to transfers, grades, stolen computers and the ilk, your classes stack out as follows: 20 True Freshmen 18.5 Redshirt Freshmen 17 Redshirt Sophomores 15.5 Redshirt Juniors 14 Redshirt Seniors Total: 85, of which 55 are Freshmen and Sophomores. That would mean that a team with only 50 underclassmen is a relatively veteran team. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
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Alabama gave you RUTS. The head ball coach might also "Randy Lyons" wrote: >Hear, hear! RUTS! RUTS! We want RUTS! Harumph! J > >Randy > >From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On >Behalf Of Cecilia >Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:52 PM >To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com >Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake > >"And when you have a staff that is conservative in nature, (and lord knows >ours is) it exacerbates the problem because the conservative play calling >keeps games closer than they have to be, so less mop up duty for the >youngsters." > >Yet another way in which the OHBC was/is a genius. Most people couldn't >understand why he had such a penchant for RUTS, but - when you think about >the opposite, conservative approach we're seeing now - putting a game far >out of reach every chance you get so you can give your less experienced >players some game time seems like a stroke of genius. > >Besides, the fans love RUTS, even if the opponent's fans and coaches... and >some announcers... make derisive comments about the coach who does it. > >Cee >- Original Message - >From: Steve McKibben <mailto:augiega...@yahoo.com> >To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:23 PM >Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake > > >Go back and tell me the last year that we redshirted everyone, or even half >of our incoming freshman class, and we'll talk. > >Fact is we sign more than twenty every year because fourth and fifth year >players are becoming more and more scarce - due to all of the various types >of attrition you mentioned. > >And when you have a staff that is conservative in nature, (and lord knows >ours is) it exacerbates the problem because the conservative play calling >keeps games closer than they have to be, so less mop up duty for the >youngsters. In addition, our staff seems to set a higher standard of >(practice?) excellence before the players have earned enough "trust" to see >the field. > >Your "relatively veteran team" may be so in terms of time spent on campus, >but not when it comes to minutes spent on the field. > >--- On Tue, 10/12/10, John Vega wrote: > > >On Oct 12, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Steve McKibben wrote: > > > > >If you have 85 scholarship players, 50 underclassmen is a lot. > > >If you sign 20 players every class, redshirt everyone, and lost only 1.5 >players each year due to transfers, grades, stolen computers and the ilk, >your classes stack out as follows: > >20 True Freshmen >18.5 Redshirt Freshmen >17 Redshirt Sophomores > >15.5 Redshirt Juniors >14 Redshirt Seniors > >Total: 85, of which 55 are Freshmen and Sophomores. > >That would mean that a team with only 50 underclassmen is a relatively >veteran team. >-- >GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >2008 National Football Champions | >Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), >Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us >-- >GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >2008 National Football Champions | >Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), >Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us > >-- >GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >2008 National Football Champions | >Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), >Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
RE: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake
LOL! Ouch! :) Randy -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Lucas Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 5:53 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake Alabama gave you RUTS. The head ball coach might also "Randy Lyons" wrote: >Hear, hear! RUTS! RUTS! We want RUTS! Harumph! J > >Randy > >From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On >Behalf Of Cecilia >Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:52 PM >To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com >Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake > >"And when you have a staff that is conservative in nature, (and lord knows >ours is) it exacerbates the problem because the conservative play calling >keeps games closer than they have to be, so less mop up duty for the >youngsters." > >Yet another way in which the OHBC was/is a genius. Most people couldn't >understand why he had such a penchant for RUTS, but - when you think about >the opposite, conservative approach we're seeing now - putting a game far >out of reach every chance you get so you can give your less experienced >players some game time seems like a stroke of genius. > >Besides, the fans love RUTS, even if the opponent's fans and coaches... and >some announcers... make derisive comments about the coach who does it. > >Cee >- Original Message - >From: Steve McKibben <mailto:augiega...@yahoo.com> >To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:23 PM >Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake > > >Go back and tell me the last year that we redshirted everyone, or even half >of our incoming freshman class, and we'll talk. > >Fact is we sign more than twenty every year because fourth and fifth year >players are becoming more and more scarce - due to all of the various types >of attrition you mentioned. > >And when you have a staff that is conservative in nature, (and lord knows >ours is) it exacerbates the problem because the conservative play calling >keeps games closer than they have to be, so less mop up duty for the >youngsters. In addition, our staff seems to set a higher standard of >(practice?) excellence before the players have earned enough "trust" to see >the field. > >Your "relatively veteran team" may be so in terms of time spent on campus, >but not when it comes to minutes spent on the field. > >--- On Tue, 10/12/10, John Vega wrote: > > >On Oct 12, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Steve McKibben wrote: > > > > >If you have 85 scholarship players, 50 underclassmen is a lot. > > >If you sign 20 players every class, redshirt everyone, and lost only 1.5 >players each year due to transfers, grades, stolen computers and the ilk, >your classes stack out as follows: > >20 True Freshmen >18.5 Redshirt Freshmen >17 Redshirt Sophomores > >15.5 Redshirt Juniors >14 Redshirt Seniors > >Total: 85, of which 55 are Freshmen and Sophomores. > >That would mean that a team with only 50 underclassmen is a relatively >veteran team. >-- >GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >2008 National Football Champions | >Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), >Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us >-- >GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >2008 National Football Champions | >Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), >Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us > >-- >GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >2008 National Football Champions | >Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), >Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
RE: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake
Right on Randy! Forward this one to Urban. Gatortc -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Lucas Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 5:53 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake Alabama gave you RUTS. The head ball coach might also "Randy Lyons" wrote: >Hear, hear! RUTS! RUTS! We want RUTS! Harumph! J > >Randy > >From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On >Behalf Of Cecilia >Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:52 PM >To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com >Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake > >"And when you have a staff that is conservative in nature, (and lord knows >ours is) it exacerbates the problem because the conservative play calling >keeps games closer than they have to be, so less mop up duty for the >youngsters." > >Yet another way in which the OHBC was/is a genius. Most people couldn't >understand why he had such a penchant for RUTS, but - when you think about >the opposite, conservative approach we're seeing now - putting a game far >out of reach every chance you get so you can give your less experienced >players some game time seems like a stroke of genius. > >Besides, the fans love RUTS, even if the opponent's fans and coaches... and >some announcers... make derisive comments about the coach who does it. > >Cee >- Original Message - >From: Steve McKibben <mailto:augiega...@yahoo.com> >To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:23 PM >Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake > > >Go back and tell me the last year that we redshirted everyone, or even half >of our incoming freshman class, and we'll talk. > >Fact is we sign more than twenty every year because fourth and fifth year >players are becoming more and more scarce - due to all of the various types >of attrition you mentioned. > >And when you have a staff that is conservative in nature, (and lord knows >ours is) it exacerbates the problem because the conservative play calling >keeps games closer than they have to be, so less mop up duty for the >youngsters. In addition, our staff seems to set a higher standard of >(practice?) excellence before the players have earned enough "trust" to see >the field. > >Your "relatively veteran team" may be so in terms of time spent on campus, >but not when it comes to minutes spent on the field. > >--- On Tue, 10/12/10, John Vega wrote: > > >On Oct 12, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Steve McKibben wrote: > > > > >If you have 85 scholarship players, 50 underclassmen is a lot. > > >If you sign 20 players every class, redshirt everyone, and lost only 1.5 >players each year due to transfers, grades, stolen computers and the ilk, >your classes stack out as follows: > >20 True Freshmen >18.5 Redshirt Freshmen >17 Redshirt Sophomores > >15.5 Redshirt Juniors >14 Redshirt Seniors > >Total: 85, of which 55 are Freshmen and Sophomores. > >That would mean that a team with only 50 underclassmen is a relatively >veteran team. >-- >GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >2008 National Football Champions | >Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), >Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us >-- >GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >2008 National Football Champions | >Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), >Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us > >-- >GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >2008 National Football Champions | >Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), >Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake
There's nothing I love better than a long, boring game with the Gators on top
with a boatload of points. "Too many to not enough" is my favorite kind of
game. ;-)
Cee
- Original Message -
From: Randy Lyons
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 5:18 PM
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake
Hear, hear! RUTS! RUTS! We want RUTS! Harumph! J
Randy
From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Cecilia
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:52 PM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake
"And when you have a staff that is conservative in nature, (and lord knows
ours is) it exacerbates the problem because the conservative play calling keeps
games closer than they have to be, so less mop up duty for the youngsters."
Yet another way in which the OHBC was/is a genius. Most people couldn't
understand why he had such a penchant for RUTS, but - when you think about the
opposite, conservative approach we're seeing now - putting a game far out of
reach every chance you get so you can give your less experienced players some
game time seems like a stroke of genius.
Besides, the fans love RUTS, even if the opponent's fans and coaches... and
some announcers... make derisive comments about the coach who does it.
Cee
- Original Message -
From: Steve McKibben
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake
Go back and tell me the last year that we redshirted everyone, or
even half of our incoming freshman class, and we'll talk.
Fact is we sign more than twenty every year because fourth and fifth
year players are becoming more and more scarce - due to all of the various
types of attrition you mentioned.
And when you have a staff that is conservative in nature, (and lord
knows ours is) it exacerbates the problem because the conservative play calling
keeps games closer than they have to be, so less mop up duty for the
youngsters. In addition, our staff seems to set a higher standard of
(practice?) excellence before the players have earned enough "trust" to see the
field.
Your "relatively veteran team" may be so in terms of time spent on
campus, but not when it comes to minutes spent on the field.
--- On Tue, 10/12/10, John Vega wrote:
On Oct 12, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Steve McKibben wrote:
If you have 85 scholarship players, 50 underclassmen is a lot.
If you sign 20 players every class, redshirt everyone, and lost only
1.5 players each year due to transfers, grades, stolen computers and the ilk,
your classes stack out as follows:
20 True Freshmen
18.5 Redshirt Freshmen
17 Redshirt Sophomores
15.5 Redshirt Juniors
14 Redshirt Seniors
Total: 85, of which 55 are Freshmen and Sophomores.
That would mean that a team with only 50 underclassmen is a
relatively veteran team.
--
GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions |
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
--
GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions |
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
--
GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions |
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
--
GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions |
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake
LOL. I don't think that's exactly what Randy had in mind. ;-) Cee - Original Message - From: "Scott Lucas" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 5:52 PM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake Alabama gave you RUTS. The head ball coach might also "Randy Lyons" wrote: Hear, hear! RUTS! RUTS! We want RUTS! Harumph! J Randy From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cecilia Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:52 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake "And when you have a staff that is conservative in nature, (and lord knows ours is) it exacerbates the problem because the conservative play calling keeps games closer than they have to be, so less mop up duty for the youngsters." Yet another way in which the OHBC was/is a genius. Most people couldn't understand why he had such a penchant for RUTS, but - when you think about the opposite, conservative approach we're seeing now - putting a game far out of reach every chance you get so you can give your less experienced players some game time seems like a stroke of genius. Besides, the fans love RUTS, even if the opponent's fans and coaches... and some announcers... make derisive comments about the coach who does it. Cee - Original Message - From: Steve McKibben <mailto:augiega...@yahoo.com> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake Go back and tell me the last year that we redshirted everyone, or even half of our incoming freshman class, and we'll talk. Fact is we sign more than twenty every year because fourth and fifth year players are becoming more and more scarce - due to all of the various types of attrition you mentioned. And when you have a staff that is conservative in nature, (and lord knows ours is) it exacerbates the problem because the conservative play calling keeps games closer than they have to be, so less mop up duty for the youngsters. In addition, our staff seems to set a higher standard of (practice?) excellence before the players have earned enough "trust" to see the field. Your "relatively veteran team" may be so in terms of time spent on campus, but not when it comes to minutes spent on the field. --- On Tue, 10/12/10, John Vega wrote: On Oct 12, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Steve McKibben wrote: If you have 85 scholarship players, 50 underclassmen is a lot. If you sign 20 players every class, redshirt everyone, and lost only 1.5 players each year due to transfers, grades, stolen computers and the ilk, your classes stack out as follows: 20 True Freshmen 18.5 Redshirt Freshmen 17 Redshirt Sophomores 15.5 Redshirt Juniors 14 Redshirt Seniors Total: 85, of which 55 are Freshmen and Sophomores. That would mean that a team with only 50 underclassmen is a relatively veteran team. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake
Is there a parrot in here? Does anyone else smell feathers? A. Leon Polhill, Gator "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain From: Scott Lucas To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 5:52:33 PM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake Alabama gave you RUTS. The head ball coach might also "Randy Lyons" wrote: >Hear, hear! RUTS! RUTS! We want RUTS! Harumph! J > >Randy > >From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On >Behalf Of Cecilia >Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:52 PM >To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com >Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake > >"And when you have a staff that is conservative in nature, (and lord knows >ours is) it exacerbates the problem because the conservative play calling >keeps games closer than they have to be, so less mop up duty for the >youngsters." > >Yet another way in which the OHBC was/is a genius. Most people couldn't >understand why he had such a penchant for RUTS, but - when you think about >the opposite, conservative approach we're seeing now - putting a game far >out of reach every chance you get so you can give your less experienced >players some game time seems like a stroke of genius. > >Besides, the fans love RUTS, even if the opponent's fans and coaches... and >some announcers... make derisive comments about the coach who does it. > >Cee >- Original Message - >From: Steve McKibben <mailto:augiega...@yahoo.com> >To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com >Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:23 PM >Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake > > >Go back and tell me the last year that we redshirted everyone, or even half >of our incoming freshman class, and we'll talk. > >Fact is we sign more than twenty every year because fourth and fifth year >players are becoming more and more scarce - due to all of the various types >of attrition you mentioned. > >And when you have a staff that is conservative in nature, (and lord knows >ours is) it exacerbates the problem because the conservative play calling >keeps games closer than they have to be, so less mop up duty for the >youngsters. In addition, our staff seems to set a higher standard of >(practice?) excellence before the players have earned enough "trust" to see >the field. > >Your "relatively veteran team" may be so in terms of time spent on campus, >but not when it comes to minutes spent on the field. > >--- On Tue, 10/12/10, John Vega wrote: > > >On Oct 12, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Steve McKibben wrote: > > > > >If you have 85 scholarship players, 50 underclassmen is a lot. > > >If you sign 20 players every class, redshirt everyone, and lost only 1.5 >players each year due to transfers, grades, stolen computers and the ilk, >your classes stack out as follows: > >20 True Freshmen >18.5 Redshirt Freshmen >17 Redshirt Sophomores > >15.5 Redshirt Juniors >14 Redshirt Seniors > >Total: 85, of which 55 are Freshmen and Sophomores. > >That would mean that a team with only 50 underclassmen is a relatively >veteran team. >-- >GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >2008 National Football Champions | >Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), >Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us >-- >GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >2008 National Football Champions | >Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), >Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us > >-- >GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >2008 National Football Champions | >Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), >Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.
Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake
I wouldn't recommend ANYONE deliver THAT message to Coach Meyer. A. Leon Polhill, Gator "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain From: Cecilia To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 10:03:04 PM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake LOL. I don't think that's exactly what Randy had in mind. ;-) Cee - Original Message - From: "Scott Lucas" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 5:52 PM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake > Alabama gave you RUTS. The head ball coach might also > > "Randy Lyons" wrote: > >>Hear, hear! RUTS! RUTS! We want RUTS! Harumph! J >> >>Randy >> >>From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On >>Behalf Of Cecilia >>Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:52 PM >>To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com >>Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake >> >>"And when you have a staff that is conservative in nature, (and lord knows >>ours is) it exacerbates the problem because the conservative play calling >>keeps games closer than they have to be, so less mop up duty for the >>youngsters." >> >>Yet another way in which the OHBC was/is a genius. Most people couldn't >>understand why he had such a penchant for RUTS, but - when you think about >>the opposite, conservative approach we're seeing now - putting a game far >>out of reach every chance you get so you can give your less experienced >>players some game time seems like a stroke of genius. >> >>Besides, the fans love RUTS, even if the opponent's fans and coaches... >>and >>some announcers... make derisive comments about the coach who does it. >> >>Cee >>- Original Message - >>From: Steve McKibben <mailto:augiega...@yahoo.com> >>To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com >>Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:23 PM >>Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake >> >> >>Go back and tell me the last year that we redshirted everyone, or even >>half >>of our incoming freshman class, and we'll talk. >> >>Fact is we sign more than twenty every year because fourth and fifth year >>players are becoming more and more scarce - due to all of the various >>types >>of attrition you mentioned. >> >>And when you have a staff that is conservative in nature, (and lord knows >>ours is) it exacerbates the problem because the conservative play calling >>keeps games closer than they have to be, so less mop up duty for the >>youngsters. In addition, our staff seems to set a higher standard of >>(practice?) excellence before the players have earned enough "trust" to >>see >>the field. >> >>Your "relatively veteran team" may be so in terms of time spent on campus, >>but not when it comes to minutes spent on the field. >> >>--- On Tue, 10/12/10, John Vega wrote: >> >> >>On Oct 12, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Steve McKibben wrote: >> >> >> >> >>If you have 85 scholarship players, 50 underclassmen is a lot. >> >> >>If you sign 20 players every class, redshirt everyone, and lost only 1.5 >>players each year due to transfers, grades, stolen computers and the ilk, >>your classes stack out as follows: >> >>20 True Freshmen >>18.5 Redshirt Freshmen >>17 Redshirt Sophomores >> >>15.5 Redshirt Juniors >>14 Redshirt Seniors >> >>Total: 85, of which 55 are Freshmen and Sophomores. >> >>That would mean that a team with only 50 underclassmen is a relatively >>veteran team. >>-- >>GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >>1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >>2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >>2008 National Football Champions | >>Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel >>(1996), >>Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us >>-- >>GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >>1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >>2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >>2008 National Football Champions | >>Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel >>(1996), >>Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us >> >>-- >>GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >>1996 National Football Champions | 2006 Natio
RE: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake FG
Ken, It sure looked like the holder had his right knee on the yard line. He flips the ball over his head and you could not see exactly where his hand left the ball. However, when you look at the replay, you are able to see his right leg on the yard line. The ball appeared to hit on the yard line. Consequently, the ball must have left his hand behind the yard line-thus a forward pass. I will grant that there could have been a parallax error there but the camera angle looked dead on. That being said, it should have never gotten to that point. Jerry From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Kirkley Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 11:14 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake FG I am never one to complain about the refs, as I believe they are human (at least most except the Childress crew) and are apt to err from time to time. If you play well, generally any officiating mistakes don't come into play. I have seen a lot of people complaining about the fake FG, there are several issues with the call: - since the holders knee was on the ground and no kicker behind him, was he down? - if it was a backwards pass and it hit the ground, why was the kicker able to advance the fumble on 4th down? - was it a forward pass that hit the ground? As to the holders knee on the ground, that is legal. The rule states that it is okay if you are simulating a kick. While you could interpret that has a kicker must be there, it is accepted as once you line up and snap the ball with the kicker in position, that satisfies the simulating a kick requirement. The second point, a backwards pass is different than a fumble. While a fumble can only be advanced by the fumbler on 4th down, a backwards pass is deemed a loose ball and can be picked up by anyone on the offense. Was it a forward pass? This one is close and is probably the best place for Gator fans to argue. The rules state that when in doubt, it is a forward pass. Here is the rule: Forward and Backward Pass ARTICLE 2. a. A forward pass is determined by the point where the ball first strikes the ground, a player, an official or anything beyond the spot of the pass. All other passes are backward passes. When in question, it is a forward pass rather than a backward pass when thrown in or behind the neutral zone. I don't think you can look at the replay and tell definitively, you would have needed a camera exactly along the line of the pass to determine. You can google parallax error to figue out why the camera angle we saw wouldn't necessarily be accurate. It does look like it was forward slightly and the ref should have ruled so initially, when he didn't there wasn't enough video evidence to overturn. Unfortunately, this call didn't go our way. This same play was used against us two years ago and we should have been in FG safe, especially on a 54 yard kick, especially on the edges. A block of a kick that long will come in the middle, the kick will come out low and quick. The guys on the edge had to hold contain, they weren't going to block the kick. I blame this on the coaches, just like Kirby Smart was jumping up and down for the jump pass last week, I was yelling at the TV to watch the biggest gambler in football and the fake. Nobody listened... Ken K MNGator -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake FG
What do you call the team that beats MSU, Georgia, Vanderbilt and South Carolina, but loses to Appalachian State and FSU? SEC East champs! A. Leon Polhill, Gator "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain From: Ken Kirkley To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 9:45:40 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] Talk about the fake FG I don't disagree that we lost the game and could have played better. I do disagree that after we made a miraculous comeback, the game is decided on a bad call. You have to keep all of this in perspective, we could have made more plays, they could have and the officials could have. End result, we lost. And while yes we are 1 game away from wait till next year, we are also on track to win the SECE and have a shot at an SECC and BCS bowl. Ken K MNGator [clipped for Steve] -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
