RE: [gatortalk] Tenn robbers still not off the team?
Ken Maybe we should agree to disagree on this one. Keith Original Message Subject: RE: [gatortalk] Tenn robbers still not off the team?From: "Ken Kirkley" k...@kirkley.netDate: Sun, November 15, 2009 12:38 amTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Yes, rushing to judgement before you know how UT is handling the situation. That is my point, not that they are innocent, not that they don't deserve punishment, they do. But we should wait to praise or criticize once we see how it is handled. When Ronnie Wilson fired an assault weapon in the air, there were many saying he should be kicked off immediately. When Brandon Spikes was gently wiping the dirt off of that Dawgs face, many were calling for his dismissal. Let it play out and then see if criticism is warranted. KenKMNGator From: ke...@baldwinnc.com [mailto:ke...@baldwinnc.com] Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 12:01 PMTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: [gatortalk] Tenn robbers still not off the team? Rushing to judgement ?!?! The one guy was failed two drug tests, they are out robbing people - at gun point - at 2AM while wearing Tenn football player clothing, caught with drugs,the gun, the hooded sweatshirts, and positively identified. That is rushing to judgement ?!?! Original Message ----Subject: RE: [gatortalk] Tenn robbers still not off the team?From: "Ken Kirkley" k...@kirkley.netDate: Sat, November 14, 2009 11:27 amTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.com I don't think we should be throwing stones at UT over this. They have suspended the players for this game, so let's not rush to judgement as to the final penalty. I hate Kiffy as much as the next Gator, but this is about 4 young adults who have made a terrible mistake and might have thrown their lives away. Armed robbery in most states is a very serious offense, usually requiring mandatory jail time, can't imagine Tennessee is too lenient. As Gators, we have had our share of criminal behaviour over the last few years, and for the most part we have given kids a second or even third chance. It is up to them what they do with these chances and unfortunately most of them have squandered the opportunity to reform (Moss, Hornsby, Wilson, Atkins). All of these guys were suspended from the team - and for the most part we didn't know how long or why they were suspended - and it was up to them to work their way back into the good graces of the coaches. I will wait to see how UT ultimately deals with these 4 students before rushing to judgement. KenKMNGator From: Woody [mailto:gatorrr...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 8:40 AMTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [gatortalk] Tenn robbers still not off the team? Yet... Urban was attacked for only suspending Spikes for half a game. I havent heard much criticism from the talkin heads toward Kiffin taking his time. Woody On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 9:24 AM, ke...@baldwinnc.com wrote: I understand that Tenn is busy preparing fora game today I understand that you want to wait for all the facts to come in But hasn't Tenn had enough time and enough facts to distance themselves from these three robbers (and/or accomplice)? Haven't they had enough time and facts to get them out of their dorms and issue a public statement that they are no longer with the team? Seems like the longer Tenn lets this drag out - the more negative publicity they receive Seems like the way to quickly turn a negative into a positive is to just throw all 3 off the team - then you go from being Thug U to a model of how things should be run. Funny how early in the season Tenn had no problem with kidsleaving the team. Wasn't it like 12 kids either left or were kicked off the team? Now Tenn is hanging onto these three robbers (or at least accomplice)? Keith -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!1996 National Football Champions | 2006
Re: [gatortalk] Tenn robbers still not off the team?
Yet... Urban was attacked for only suspending Spikes for half a game. I havent heard much criticism from the talkin heads toward Kiffin taking his time. Woody On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 9:24 AM, ke...@baldwinnc.com wrote: I understand that Tenn is busy preparing for a game today I understand that you want to wait for all the facts to come in But hasn't Tenn had enough time and enough facts to distance themselves from these three robbers (and/or accomplice)? Haven't they had enough time and facts to get them out of their dorms and issue a public statement that they are no longer with the team? Seems like the longer Tenn lets this drag out - the more negative publicity they receive Seems like the way to quickly turn a negative into a positive is to just throw all 3 off the team - then you go from being Thug U to a model of how things should be run. Funny how early in the season Tenn had no problem with kids leaving the team. Wasn't it like 12 kids either left or were kicked off the team? Now Tenn is hanging onto these three robbers (or at least accomplice)? Keith -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
RE: [gatortalk] Tenn robbers still not off the team?
I don't think we should be throwing stones at UT over this. They have suspended the players for this game, so let's not rush to judgement as to the final penalty. I hate Kiffy as much as the next Gator, but this is about 4 young adults who have made a terrible mistake and might have thrown their lives away. Armed robbery in most states is a very serious offense, usually requiring mandatory jail time, can't imagine Tennessee is too lenient. As Gators, we have had our share of criminal behaviour over the last few years, and for the most part we have given kids a second or even third chance. It is up to them what they do with these chances and unfortunately most of them have squandered the opportunity to reform (Moss, Hornsby, Wilson, Atkins). All of these guys were suspended from the team - and for the most part we didn't know how long or why they were suspended - and it was up to them to work their way back into the good graces of the coaches. I will wait to see how UT ultimately deals with these 4 students before rushing to judgement. Ken K MNGator _ From: Woody [mailto:gatorrr...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 8:40 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Tenn robbers still not off the team? Yet... Urban was attacked for only suspending Spikes for half a game. I havent heard much criticism from the talkin heads toward Kiffin taking his time. Woody On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 9:24 AM, ke...@baldwinnc.com wrote: I understand that Tenn is busy preparing for a game today I understand that you want to wait for all the facts to come in But hasn't Tenn had enough time and enough facts to distance themselves from these three robbers (and/or accomplice)? Haven't they had enough time and facts to get them out of their dorms and issue a public statement that they are no longer with the team? Seems like the longer Tenn lets this drag out - the more negative publicity they receive Seems like the way to quickly turn a negative into a positive is to just throw all 3 off the team - then you go from being Thug U to a model of how things should be run. Funny how early in the season Tenn had no problem with kids leaving the team. Wasn't it like 12 kids either left or were kicked off the team? Now Tenn is hanging onto these three robbers (or at least accomplice)? Keith -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
RE: [gatortalk] Tenn robbers still not off the team?
According to today's paper, 3 - 6 years minimum if not probation. Randy Lyons Sent from my Palm Prē Ken Kirkley wrote: I don't think we should be throwing stones at UT over this. They have suspended the players for this game, so let's not rush to judgement as to the final penalty. I hate Kiffy as much as the next Gator, but this is about 4 young adults who have made a terrible mistake and might have thrown their lives away. Armed robbery in most states is a very serious offense, usually requiring mandatory jail time, can't imagine Tennessee is too lenient. As Gators, we have had our share of criminal behaviour over the last few years, and for the most part we have given kids a second or even third chance. It is up to them what they do with these chances and unfortunately most of them have squandered the opportunity to reform (Moss, Hornsby, Wilson, Atkins). All of these guys were suspended from the team - and for the most part we didn't know how long or why they were suspended - and it was up to them to work their way back into the good graces of the coaches. I will wait to see how UT ultimately deals with these 4 students before rushing to judgement. Ken K MNGator From: Woody [mailto:gatorrr...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 8:40 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Tenn robbers still not off the team? Yet... Urban was attacked for only suspending Spikes for half a game. I havent heard much criticism from the talkin heads toward Kiffin taking his time. Woody On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 9:24 AM, lt;ke...@baldwinnc.com wrote: I understand that Tenn is busy preparing for a game today I understand that you want to wait for all the facts to come in But hasn't Tenn had enough time and enough facts to distance themselves from these three robbers (and/or accomplice)? Haven't they had enough time and facts to get them out of their dorms and issue a public statement that they are no longer with the team? Seems like the longer Tenn lets this drag out - the more negative publicity they receive Seems like the way to quickly turn a negative into a positive is to just throw all 3 off the team - then you go from being Thug U to a model of how things should be run. Funny how early in the season Tenn had no problem with kids leaving the team. Wasn't it like 12 kids either left or were kicked off the team? Now Tenn is hanging onto these three robbers (or at least accomplice)? Keith -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
RE: [gatortalk] Tenn robbers still not off the team?
Yes, rushing to judgement before you know how UT is handling the situation. That is my point, not that they are innocent, not that they don't deserve punishment, they do. But we should wait to praise or criticize once we see how it is handled. When Ronnie Wilson fired an assault weapon in the air, there were many saying he should be kicked off immediately. When Brandon Spikes was gently wiping the dirt off of that Dawgs face, many were calling for his dismissal. Let it play out and then see if criticism is warranted. Ken K MNGator _ From: ke...@baldwinnc.com [mailto:ke...@baldwinnc.com] Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 12:01 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] Tenn robbers still not off the team? Rushing to judgement ?!?! The one guy was failed two drug tests, they are out robbing people - at gun point - at 2AM while wearing Tenn football player clothing, caught with drugs, the gun, the hooded sweatshirts, and positively identified. That is rushing to judgement ?!?! Original Message Subject: RE: [gatortalk] Tenn robbers still not off the team? From: Ken Kirkley k...@kirkley.net Date: Sat, November 14, 2009 11:27 am To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com I don't think we should be throwing stones at UT over this. They have suspended the players for this game, so let's not rush to judgement as to the final penalty. I hate Kiffy as much as the next Gator, but this is about 4 young adults who have made a terrible mistake and might have thrown their lives away. Armed robbery in most states is a very serious offense, usually requiring mandatory jail time, can't imagine Tennessee is too lenient. As Gators, we have had our share of criminal behaviour over the last few years, and for the most part we have given kids a second or even third chance. It is up to them what they do with these chances and unfortunately most of them have squandered the opportunity to reform (Moss, Hornsby, Wilson, Atkins). All of these guys were suspended from the team - and for the most part we didn't know how long or why they were suspended - and it was up to them to work their way back into the good graces of the coaches. I will wait to see how UT ultimately deals with these 4 students before rushing to judgement. Ken K MNGator _ From: Woody [mailto:gatorrr...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 8:40 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Tenn robbers still not off the team? Yet... Urban was attacked for only suspending Spikes for half a game. I havent heard much criticism from the talkin heads toward Kiffin taking his time. Woody On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 9:24 AM, ke...@baldwinnc.com wrote: I understand that Tenn is busy preparing for a game today I understand that you want to wait for all the facts to come in But hasn't Tenn had enough time and enough facts to distance themselves from these three robbers (and/or accomplice)? Haven't they had enough time and facts to get them out of their dorms and issue a public statement that they are no longer with the team? Seems like the longer Tenn lets this drag out - the more negative publicity they receive Seems like the way to quickly turn a negative into a positive is to just throw all 3 off the team - then you go from being Thug U to a model of how things should be run. Funny how early in the season Tenn had no problem with kids leaving the team. Wasn't it like 12 kids either left or were kicked off the team? Now Tenn is hanging onto these three robbers (or at least accomplice)? Keith -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us http://www.gatornet.us/ -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three
