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Re: g_b friend/mates wanted for September 22

2005-10-05 Thread raja raja

hi this is raaj
this i hav to say with great disappointment that am a gay and had joined this group being a gay does not make me disappointed but joing this group do makes so..coz i use office pc for my mails in most of the times ..it wont be that good to clear all the unwanted mails pouring in to ur mailbox pumped by all the membersto all its members ..is it a good practice to send each and every letter to all of its members .am getting repetitive mails of the same content from different persons ..content being the same ...which is making me to quit this group...
for gods sake don't inundate ur members with mail floods like that floored mumbai man
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g_b This is what dreams are made of...

2005-10-05 Thread utkarsh

Hi guys,

Following is a story written by me. Do let me know what you think
about it.

Regards,

Utkarsh.


I have never been a winner. Always on the outskirts, never there,
never on spot. Throughout my school years, I used to be in the top
few; college was not much different. So, when my room mate confessed
in me that he is so totally smitten by my friend Aarif, I thought to
myself  "there you go again!".

Krishna Nathanial Parker, my flat mate for the past one year and seven
months is a nice bloke. He is lucky in love in a very unlucky sort of
way. A guy he likes is very likely to be already in love with him. But
somehow things have never worked out for him. He has had 5 serious and
many non serious affairs. That's a lot considering his age of 23 years.

Krish was born to British father & Indian mother. I advertised for a
gay flat mate on the net and of the 3 guys I had short listed Krish
was the most eligible of them. Born and brought up in Liverpool; a
talented musician who dreams of making it big in Bollywood; had
already been in India for 2 years when we met; Kind and humble and
very brainy (sort of); also beautiful. So, he moved in with me. We had
this understanding from the beginning that we will keep our personal
lives to ourselves. Sigh! Only I have no personal life to keep from
others. So, Krish moved in with me and we were doing well. He kept to
his room mostly and I didn't miss him much when he was not around.

I CANNOT go on a date with a stranger. It just freaks me out. I tried
going against my instincts once - made a complete fool of myself  and
returned home with a bruised and battered dignity. So advertising for
a roommate was like participating in Fear Factor - like being jailed
in a 3x3 box with 2 dozen fat rats. Not that disgusting, but
definitely as fearsome. My friend Aarif egged me to do so.

Now Aarif is another story. He's my oldest friend and the only person
in my world who knows I am homosexual. I came out to him after the
fiasco that my first date was, almost two and a half years ago. I
returned from the date all sad and depressed and there he was,
waiting for me all "EARS" to know about the hot girl I had described
to him. I was so humiliated, I couldn't help but cry. And when he
tried making me feel better my crying grew even louder. He kept saying
things like "there are more girls out there and definitely kinder than
the one I had just met". I felt the need of telling him the truth
about me. Looking at his concern I felt as if I was cheating him.
Sometime during that night when I was not crying anymore I came out to
him. He took it in his stride. Up till that day he had been out of my
circle of eligible boyfriends. After that day I started looking at him
from a different angle  the dream angle  where I and he lived
happily ever after. Sigh!

I never saw Krish as a competitor. He is the ideal gay guy. Very
comfortable with himself, out to every one he knows. He would never
even think of getting serious about a homosexual, who is in denial or
a bisexual, leave alone a straight guy. So, I had Aarif all to myself.

Every day I was falling more and more in love with Aarif. His words of
kindness, his humility, his supportiveness and care, his protective
attitude towards me and his loyalty to me as a friend  everything was
taking me closer and closer to him. My dreams included a penthouse
apartment on Worli sea face, with a large terrace where we would have
our coffee in the morning  his black and strong and mine with sugar &
milk. Throughout the course of the day I'd drift into my own world
several times. I'd dream about different things like  the two of us
on a trip to Italy; Venice, Rome, Verona and then moving on to
Austria; the two of us talking to our friend Wasiqun, discussing the
issues involved in her becoming a surrogate for our baby; the two of
us going to meet his parents and they treating me as their second son
which they never had; the two of us lamenting over the fact that we
can not have a joint account; the two of us toiling over a Senior
Chocolate Avalanche at Mocha, after we have downed the Dutch truffle
shake and the brownie shake. Yum!

A couple of months after Krish moved in with me I gave a party where
Krish met Aarif for the first time. They hit it off from the very
beginning. Much to my discomfort, they talked through out the party.
After the party the three of us were together many times  mostly on
insistence of Krish. They traversed the distance between friendly
acquaintances to good friends pretty quickly. Like within a couple of
weeks. This became a matter of grave concern to me. My only respite
was in the fact that Krish would never fall for a straight guy and
Aarif is not gay, not even bisexual. Still, whenever I saw Krish
getting comfy with Aarif I felt like going up to him and hitting so
hard in his balls that they come sputtering out of his mouth.

Then one day all of the sudden Krish confessed in me "I think I have
developed feelings for

g_b I almost fell off my chair after reading "how to leave gayhood"

2005-10-05 Thread utkarsh

I don't know how it feels to wake up one fine morning and realize that
one is gay. I can't even imagine how people can go on living their
life and all of the sudden realize that they are gay. I was attracted
to guys even when I was a kid. The earliest crush was when I was in
2nd standard. So, I can say I have been gay all my life ;-) There was
a time when i was in denial. I tried hard to like a girl who had
feelings for me. But could never even think of getting physical with
her; loved her a lot as a friend, but that's the end of it. 

while reading someone's suggestions about
"how to leave gayhood". He claims he got that information from his
family doctor, who I am sure must have graduated in 1910. Dear Walnut,
one can hardly leave smoking habit following your suggestions, leave
alone changing sexual orientation. I can't believe you can say all
those things and at the same time claim to be gay.

Then someone wrote in saying over-bearing parents or something like
that. I am not sure about it as well. Can't speak for others, but
there has been nothing in my upbringing that can be singled out as a
factor in deciding my sexual orientation.

Choudhary's question "why are we gay?" - the answer is "because we
were supposed to be so" - just like "why did we come into this
world?", "why do we have to die?" Stop thinking of things you have no
control over. That is not going to change the way things are. 

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g_b Being gay without being deceitful

2005-10-05 Thread Geoffrey Heaviside

I remember always being totally happy washing dishes for my mum, cooking, 
cleaning hanging out with the aunties rather than the uncles.

I enjoyed undressing in the boys toilets at the beach but I had never heard of 
gay or homosex in the 50's and 60's.
I mentioned the interest to the family physician who just said all you have  to 
do is to find a good woman and marry her and all your problems will come right.


Well I did and we will celebrate 40 years of marriage next year but the 
remission only lasted for the first 10 years after which a double life was the 
only practical option.

I now know better. I realise what the fantasies meant as I was growing up as 
young as seven and eight years of age. I was screwed for many years by the God 
Hates Fags theology which caused me 
to study the socio historical origins of that theology and be able to expose  
it as a social construct and nothing to do with morality or faithfulness to my 
maker.

My only regret is that my partner is married to a man who can't fulfil the till 
death do us part sexuality. Freedom has been offered and rejected.

It is high time that we take notice of the differences in orientation and stop 
making young gay men and women hate the fact that they are constructed with a 
predominant same sex attraction over which they have no control and also stop 
forcing heterosexist alliances in the name of culture.

Yet another heterosexual marriage of a gay man and a heterosexual woman will 
take place in another Indian State this month. I know because I am a guest.

The real question for me is not why I'm gay but really why it is so 
difficult to accommodate my orientation into the social patterns of life 
without being deceitful or consigning a partner to a lifetime of frustration. I 
think I have made a reasonable start in the process of reconstruction.



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Re: g_b Lets Vote for ARPITA AS QUAZI HAS OVERDONE HIS DIALOGS

2005-10-05 Thread hahaha jsjsjsj

Hi Guys
I am actually fed up with QUAZI and his Dialogs this guy needs to understand that the competition is all about good singing then comes screen presence and style.
The Judges and the participants have made it clear that quazi is not unto the mark in Singing.
Quazi has already made it big for himself
As such Karan Johar(was a judge in the final gala round) is also fida on quazi and will surely give him a break in his next flick along will a lot of love and personal attention(I hope u guys got it)
All of us have voted for him & have given him enough time to improve, this is the 10 th time that he is in danger zone, all ours votes have made him overconfident that public will only vote for him. We should bring this to an end now. The competition is in its final rounds and we should all concentrate on singings ability of an artist while we vote
Just look at Poor Arpita , she is a good singer but not better than Rooprekha, she is having a tought time because she knows that PUBLIC will vote for quazi and not for her. This is a not fair friend she is any day better than QUAZI. We should vote for her and give her a chance to be in the top three.
Rooprekha has really improved on his screen presence and is really great while she performs.
Rooprekha& Arpita make a perfect FAME JODI
TAKE CARE AND VOTE FOR ARPITA THIS TIME.
LOVE
MANISH
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Hi
I feel Qazi should one of the jodi.
U feel like watching tv when he is on the stage.
Others r definitely good singers but cannot hold us in front of TV.
May be I m wrong according to u. But this is my view.
Kamyanalpesh dixit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

At this moment Sandeep and Arijit are out of the contest.. so it leaves only Qazi and Rex along with the gals.. Rooprekha and Arpita...
My vote for the ideal Fame Gurukul jodi would for Rex D'souza and Arpita.
Both have got a good voice and have a brilliant stage presentation.
Qazi maybe a good presenter and can dance really well but for heaven's sake cannot sing. HE IS A BAD SINGER
Rooprekha has a brilliant voice and can sing really well but she cannot perform and has no expressions on her face when she is on the stage. She cannot dance.
Finally.. MY CHOICE REX AND ARPITA.
I wish them All the Best!

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g_b We are what we are, gay or not

2005-10-05 Thread raahu an

Lots of responses here. Yes, there could be many reasons...psyhco social and the recently postulated genetic.
We are what we are, gay or not... Let us be dignified human beings intelligent, creative, compassionate and healthy.
I really do not accept this branding...I have learnt a lot to respect myself and also be in touch with my feelings in a healthy way by being in contact with some mature individuals worldwide.
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its a simple answer that god made us gay, and so we are gay. its a simple thing though medically you will find some answers of why we are gay, but its all just science excuse. like same way a boy or a girl can ask why i am a boy or why i am a girl and science will tell all that when x chromosome meets y and all that, but finally was it not god who decided whether x will meet y or some else.
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hi all can anyone answer my question WHY WE ARE GAY?thanks

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g_b Complan Boy and Santoor Girl

2005-10-05 Thread naughty confessions




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RE: g_b can any one post the time cover story on The Battle Over Gay Teens

2005-10-05 Thread Sweet Angel

Dear Ketan,
Posting the whole story as per your request.
For those of you who might find the story too long to read right now, this is the link where you will get the complete story. Time Magazine US Edition needs a Time Magazine subscribtion to read the stories but strangely it has the whole story on the Time Magazine Canada Edition, so here it for for people who might be interested.
This info would also be helpful to a lot of people here especially the Mods, cause if they ever come across a good story to publish on this forum, they could log on to www.timecanada.com & get the entire story without being Time members.
http://www.timecanada.com/story.adp?storyid=004
Pls do also check out the Photo Essay, Speaking Out, A look at the lives of young gay teens in the USA.
Hope u enjoy.
Thanks & Regards.
COVER STORYThe Battle Over Gay TeensWhat happens when you come out as a kid? How Americas gay youths are challenging the rightand the left.By John Cloud

In May, David Steward, a former president of TV Guide, and his partner Pierre Friedrichs, a caterer, hosted an uncomfortably crowded cocktail party at their Manhattan apartment. It was a typical gay fund raiserthere were lemony vodka drinks with mint sprigs; there were gift bags with Calvin Klein sunglasses; Friedrichs prepared little blackened-tuna-with-mango-chutney hors doeuvres that were served by uniformed waiters. Billionaire philanthropist Edgar Bronfman Sr. was there; David Mixner, a gay activist and longtime friend of Bill Clintons, was holding court with Jason Moore, director of the Broadway musical Avenue Q.
But the odd thing was that the gay (and gay-friendly) élite had gathered to raise money not for one of its established charitiesthe Human Rights Campaign, say, or the Democratic National Committeebut for an obscure organization that has quietly become one of the fastest-growing gay groups in the U.S., the Point Foundation. Launched in 2001, Point gives lavish (often full-ride) scholarships to gay students. It is one of the few national groups conceived explicitly to help gay kids, and it is a leading example of how the gay movement is responding to the emergence this decade of hundreds of thousands of openly gay youths.
Kids in the States are disclosing their homosexuality with unprecedented regularityand they are doing so much younger. The average gay person now comes out just before or after graduating high school, according to The New Gay Teenager, a book Harvard University Press published earlier this year. The book quotes a Penn State study of 350 young people from 59 gay groups that found that the mean age at which lesbians first have sexual contact with other girls is 16; its just 14 for gay boys. In 1997 there were approximately 100 gay-straight alliances (gsas)clubs for gay and gay-friendly kidson U.S. high school campuses. Today there are at least 3,000 gsasnearly 1 in 10 high schools has oneaccording to the Gay Lesbian Straight Education Network (glsen, say glisten), which registers and advises gsas. In the 2004-05 academic year, gsas were established at U.S. schools at the rate of three per day.
The appearance of so many gay adolescents has, predictably, worried social conservatives, but it has also surprised gay activists, who for years did little to help the few teenagers who were coming out. Both sides sense high stakes. Same-sex marriagethats out there. But something going on in a more fierce and insidious way, under the radar, is whats happening in our schools, says Mathew Staver, president of Liberty Counsel, an influential conservative litigation group that earlier this year won a court order blocking a Montgomery County, Maryland, teachers guide that disparaged Evangelicals for their views on gays. Theygay activistsknow if they make enough inroads into [schools], the same-sex-marriage battle will be moot.
Most gay activists would rather swallow glass than say Mat Staver was right about something, but they know that last years big ucla survey of university freshmen found that 57% favor same-sex marriage (only about 36% of all adults do). Even as adult activists bicker in court, young Americansincluding many young conservativesare becoming thoroughly, even nonchalantly, gay-positive. From young ages, straight kids are growing up with more openly bisexual, gay and sexually uncertain classmates. In the 1960s, gay men recalled first desiring other males at an average age of 14; it was 17 for lesbians. By the 90s, the average had dropped to 10 for gays and 12 for lesbians, according to more than a dozen studies reviewed by the author of The New Gay Teenager, Ritch Savin-Williams, who chairs Cornells human-development department.
Children who become aware of their homosexual attractions no longer need endure the baleful combination of loneliness and longing that characterized the childhoods of so many gay adults. Gay kids can now watch fictional and real teens who are out on shows like Desperate H

g_b Homosexuality and Hinduism

2005-10-05 Thread Gay Hind




What does the Hindu religion say about homosexuality?  It is for it or against it?  
 
Interesting and neutral article about Homosexuality and Hinduism.
 
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g_b SENIOR CITIZENS (Joke)

2005-10-05 Thread Sweet Angel

Many times i read classifieds asking for young guys & sometimes some people are downright rude & write that "old guys need not contact them".
Here is a joke, hope it drills some sense into the old-phobic guys;)
SENIOR CITIZENSA college student at a recent football game challenged a senior citizen sitting next to him, saying it was impossible for their generation to understand his.
"You grew up in a different world," the student said loud enough for the whole crowd to hear.
"Today we have television, jet planes, space travel, man has walked on the Moon,
our spaceships have visited Mars, we even have nuclear energy, electric and hydrogen cars, computers with light-speed processing anduh "
Taking advantage of a pause in the student's litany, the old man said,
"You're right. We didn't have those things when we were young, so we invented them!
Now what the hell are YOU doing for the next generation??"

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g_b GB party at velocity-Bar Attendant Overcharges

2005-10-05 Thread walnut

Dear Administrator,
 
This is not a complaint but still I would like to point out that during our 
last party at Velocity, the Bar Attendant had asked for 2 coupons for 1 Aerated 
Drink (that was unfair) and 1 Coupon for Mineral Water (which is fine). Kindly 
arrange for Fruit Juices as well...  I cant sip 4 Aerated Drinks in one night 
(Just kidding). If I find the Bar Attendant, I will make him say Sorry to all 
those people from whom he took two coupons instead of one 
 
Do you ever notice such things?
 
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g_b Wanted the name of the online store in Mumbai where one gets sexy underwear

2005-10-05 Thread aman dighe

Hey guys,
Need your help. Sometime ago, one of you resourceful guys had posted the name and address (link) of an online store in Mumbai where one can buy sexy underwear. Would that person be kind enough to please let me know the name and link once again? I think, the online stroe's name began with 'A' if I'm not wrong. Please, it would be a great help.
Regards,
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g_b The Working Mommy Trap: EJ Graff

2005-10-05 Thread Aditya Bondyopadhyay



http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20051005/the_working_mommy_trap.php


E.J. Graff 
October 05, 2005


E.J. Graff, a Brandeis Womens Studies Research Center resident scholar, 
most recently collaborated on Evelyn Murphys book Getting Even: Why Women 
Still Don't Get Paid Like MenAnd What To Do About It.

You can almost set your watch by it. Every year or two, the elite media 
declare yet again that feminism is dead, and that most women yearn to stay 
at home and tend babies. The most recent incarnation of this story came in 
the September 20 New York Times , which in a front-page feature described 
young women who attend Yaleand who (gasp!) say they might step out of the 
job market for a few years while their kids are young. To say the highly 
anecdotal trend story was full of holes would be to put it mildly; its 
few facts and most of its presuppositions have been blown apart by the 
blogs.

And yet such stories keep on coming; The New York Times alone has run 
similar stories prominently (once on the cover of the magazine) three 
times in eight years. In each case, the message is quite explicit: Women 
dont make as much as men because they dont want toso stop whining 
already. But this focus on womens choices masks a far more profound 
story. The real trend isnt choice; its the lack thereof. Most women have 
to work, because they and their families need the paycheck. But theyre 
also treated unfairly on the job. Theyre underpaid, underpromoted and 
unwillingly sidelined if they have kids. As a result, women working full 
time (not stay-at-home moms, not consultants, not part-timers) still make 
only 77 cents to a full-time working mans dollara gap that has not 
changed for more than a decade. Is that because they chose to make work 
at lower-paying jobs so they could meet the kids at the school bus each 
day?

Try talking to actual working mothers, and youll find that many say no, 
their choices were not freely made. Rather, one day, they looked up and 
realized theyd been mommy-tracked against their will.

Simply because they said they were pregnant, or because theyd taken a few 
months maternity leave, or because they asked for a few years of flexible 
hours, women are demoted or outright fired. Theyre refused promotion-
track projects. Theyre passed over for promotions involving late shifts 
or overnight travel, on the assumption that theyll say no. Or theyre no 
longer given the specialized work theyd done before, and as a result 
their pay is downgraded. Or theyre condescended to as unreliable, 
untrustworthy and disloyal.

To get a flavor of this treatment, look at a new database of a decades 
worth of sex discrimination cases in which women prevailed: 
www.wageproject.org. (Full disclosure: Ive helped pull together this 
still-incomplete database, and collaborated on a just-published book based 
in part on this data.) Women have been filing more pregnancy 
discrimination charges over the past decade, according to private 
employment lawyers and Equal Employment Opportunity Commission regional 
attorneys alike. These womenangry that they were fired because they got 
pregnant, or mistreated simply because they were motherswork as liquor 
store clerks, waitresses, airline ramp agents, executive secretaries, 
state troopers, stockbrokers and university professors. When women win 
these lawsuits, its often because a manager actually said that a woman 
cant do the job if shes pregnant, or that the company has a policy that 
women must leave after a certain month, or that moms should be home with 
their kids. The idea that moms shouldnt work is that commonplace: 
Managers dont even realize that broadcasting their bias is illegal.

Of course, only a very small percentage of women bring formal charges, and 
far fewer of those actually sue their employers. Lawsuits are therefore 
just the tip of the iceberg, a hint of how much mistreatment lies below 
the surface.

For 30 years, social scientists have been studying how insidiously bias 
affects behavior, even when an individual thinks of himself or herself as 
fair. Stereotypes are impossible to avoid absorbing from our culture: How 
could anyone who watches TV fail to take in the concepts that black people 
are dangerous, gay men are flighty, Muslims are terrorists, or mothers are 
unreliable at work?

Unless those deeply ingrained stereotypes are consciously overridden, the 
brain will select evidence that fits those pre-existing beliefs, and grip 
it more firmly than any contradictory evidence. Consider these natural 
deductions, which easily arise in the mind thats not alert. A working 
father is late: He must have a breakfast meeting or a traffic problem. A 
working mother is late: She must have child care trouble. Even when a 
womans efforts on the job yield strong results, that fact is erased by 
the presumption that shes too preoccupied with childrearing to handle 
anything else.

Here

Re: g_b shadowland and suicide

2005-10-05 Thread fk

Dear Elizabeth
that's exactly why I have been asking for members' help
My own interest in creating the blog came out of meetings with 'other
gendered'
people in india over a period of two-threee years, and as you know, a blog
isn't a newspaper
even so, i would like it to be a place where people can go to get a glimpse
of alternative sexuality...
and [of course] what moves ME.
I would very much like to carry a piece on familia, if elizabeth could send
me something
and I appreciate that you took time out to pay the blog a visit
thankyou
kris

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suicide

Kris -
I went to the blog...sadly it is unaware that the much
revered Famila the hijara leader in Bangalore committed suicide a year
ago..
Elizabeth

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Re: g_b why are we gay?john haddock

2005-10-05 Thread Kennedy

I think suhail, that you missed the satirical,ironic, sarcastic 
sense of humor that John was writng his diatrab.  Go back and read 
it from that view and you will not only laugh out loud but the real 
truth becomes obvious. 






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g_b Elton John Funds Nepal's Gay Campaigners

2005-10-05 Thread gaybombay









Elton funds Nepal's gay campaignersGay.com UK
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Sir Elton John has donated money to one of Nepal's few gay rights campaigning groups, as a gesture of goodwill intended to help LGBTs in the Asian country.The rock star has reportedly given around £15,000 to the Blue Diamond Society in a bid to help it push for more gay rights and for more AIDS prevention work.
The BDS has seen a rise in its profile in recent months after it warned the international community about attacks on LGBTs through Nepal.Additionally, it faced the threat of closure after an opponent complained it was "promoting" homosexuality and should be shut down.
The money from Sir Elton comes as the group warns of more arrests and torture of transgendered people in Nepal.Last week, it issued a call for action after revealing that 5 'metis' were arrested by police. Some of the transgendered women were dragged into police vans by their hair, BDS' Sunil Pant said, and there were fears that they could be tortured or sexually abused when under police custody.
The arrest is the latest in a line of violent clashes with police and local authorities that have seen parades or demonstrations crushed with force.Sir Elton's donation comes after he recently pledged more support for international victims of homophobia.
In an article written for The Observer this summer, the singing star said the government - and the British people - need to "shine a light" on the issue of homophobia in many countries."I want our government, which has presided over many positive changes for gay people here in the UK to ensure that ending violations of gay people's fundamental human rights around the world becomes an explicit issue in its diplomatic relations with other countries."
He also called for more public protest about the treatment of lesbian and gay people in Africa, Asia and South America."The sheer force of our numbers will ultimately help those who are suffering from extreme poverty and extreme prejudice all over the world," he wrote.
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g_b First gay marriage in Pakistan

2005-10-05 Thread gaybombay

First gay 'marriage' in Pakistan

Sodomy attracts tough punishments in conservative PakistanA gay couple have become the first to get "married" in Pakistan, according to reports from the region.

Witnesses said a 42-year-old Afghan refugee held a marriage ceremony with a local tribesman of 16 in the remote Khyber region bordering Afghanistan.
Gay marriage is not legal in conservative Muslim Pakistan.
On hearing of the wedding, a tribal council told the pair to leave the area or be killed for breaking religious and tribal "values and ethics".
'Pomp and show'
A local Urdu-language newspaper said the elder man, named as Liaquat Ali, had taken a local boy called Markeen as "his male bride".
The paper said the boy's impoverished parents accepted 40,000 rupees (£380) for their son's hand in marriage.
"The marriage was held amid usual pomp and show associated with a tribal wedding," it said.
Malik Waris Khan, a prominent local politician and former federal minister, confirmed to AFP that the marriage had taken place.
"I checked the report with people in Tirah Valley and they confirmed it," he said.
Although it remains a taboo subject, homosexuality is relatively common in Pakistan, says the BBC's correspondent Aamer Ahmed Khan in Islamabad.
Increasingly, gay couples are living together in some of the big cities such as Karachi and Islamabad, but gay marriages remain unheard of, he says.
Pakistani law punishes sodomy with imprisonment ranging from two years to life.
Some Islamic provisions prescribe 100 lashes for the act or even death by stoning.
A gay couple caught having sex were lashed publicly in the Khyber region in May.
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Re: g_b why are we gay?

2005-10-05 Thread smart stud

Another viewpoint

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Re: g_b Lets Vote for the Fame Gurukul Jodee~

2005-10-05 Thread delhi guy

Qazi doesnt sing well enough. Today he raped the
beautiful song by kumar ganjawla "Bheegay hoont tere".
He doest look good. Actually looks like those ruffians
on the street. And his dance isnt so great(better than
the others). But only the whole, its a singing
competition primarily.
But public voted for Qazi. Its understood yaar. The
greatest movies of India were seen by our people after
Satyajit ray own the oscar. Somehow Indians are not
able to differentiate the diamond from the stone.
It was ridiculous to see Arijit go out againt Qazi.

Rex is cho chweethis actions on the stage is
great. Voice superb. Choice of songs suit his
temperament. Rendition excelent. and today he brought
tears by his song. He was a bit more then perfect.

Arpita is very good and matured too. But of late her
voice is quivering. She is too stressed out i think.
the othe girl rooprekha sings better but seems
lifeless. Personally i like Arpita...but yet rooprekha
sings better.

all said and done...Qazi winning by 40 lakh votes is a
shame. Even the judges decide every time to put him in
danger zone. But India thinks those judges are a bunch
of fools. What a pity.
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g_b there shud be a strong desire not to do something (if you dont want to be gay)

2005-10-05 Thread a b

ok guyz this shud solve ur problem.
 
a. there shud be a strong desire not to do something.
b. once u have decided not to do , the same thing will trouble u more.
c. when u get a thought of it, drink water or goto a temple, church or mosque
whereever u wud feel quiet n peaceful
d. stick to wat u have thought.
e. fight with ur mind.two u will have the pain...from 3rd day onwards trust 
me u"ll be out of it.
 
HAVE FAITH IN GODhe is great...no matter wat people say..
ignore people...
 
 
chEers,
I am alwz ready to help those guyz who wish to cum out of this.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




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g_b Political Clichés

2005-10-05 Thread sameer25mmumbai

Political Clichés
Finally, I'd like to thank my wife and family who have stood by me 
every step of the way.
He won't back down to the special interest groups.
He's willing to stand up to the Washington bureaucrats.

Are you better off today than you were four years ago? 
At the end of the day...
Big picture
Drugs wreak havoc on the very fiber of our society. 
Each vote is like a human voice. 
Every vote is precious. 
Every vote is sacred. 
Every vote counts.
Every vote must be counted. 
Finally, I'd like to thank my wife and family who have stood by me 
every step of the way. 
He appeals to the swing voters. 
He cares about children and families. 
He connects with the soccer moms. 
He connects with the voters. 
He got out the vote.   
He has a clear vision for our future. 
He has a hidden agenda. 
He has a voter mandate. 
He has begun to reconcile with his family. 
He has faced this matter with dignity and honor. 
He has flip-flopped on this issue. 
He has freely admitted his mistake. 
He has taken full responsibilty for his actions. 
He has to get out and press the flesh. 
He has to get out the vote. 
He has to rally the party faithful. 
He has to solidify the base. 
He held his own. 
He hit a home run. 
He just picked up a key endorsement. 
He knows what the country needs. 
He ran on a strong party platform. 
He regrets any pain he may have caused. 
He resonated with the voters. 
He should be able to carry the state. 
He stayed on message. 
He understands the voters. 
He won't back down to the special interest groups. 
He'll bring dignity to the office. 
He'll make a difference in people's lives. 
He's a candidate for the people. 
He's a centrist. 
He's a man of character. 
He's a man of great moral fiber. 
He's a man of integrity. 
He's a man of vision. 
He's a visionary. 
He's a voter advocate. 
He's demonstrated real leadership. 
He's gaining momentum in the race. 
He's going to throw his hat into the ring. 
He's good for the country. 
He's his own man. 
He's in the hip pocket of big business. 
He's just to the left of center. 
He's left-leaning. 
He's not ready to claim victory yet. 
He's not ready to concede defeat yet. 
He's out on the campaign trail. 
He's running a grassroots campaign. 
He's running on his record. 
He's the dark horse in this race. 
He's willing to stand up to the Washington bureaucrats. 
His record on the issues is clear. 
I looked at a poll earlier today and it showed a completely different 
result. 
If we do that, then the terrorists win. 
If we ignore votes, we ignore democracy. 
I'm sure he can rise above this. 
In speeches, use the power fist to give your statements confidence 
and authority.
It was a landslide election. 
It's obviously a jubilant atmosphere here at party headquarters. 
It's obviously a somber mood here at party headquarters. 
It's still early. 
It's time for a change. 
It's time for a new beginning. 
It's time for real leadership. 
It's time to get tough on crime. 
It's time to move forward. 
It's time to move on. 
I've called the senator and offered my congratulations. 
I've journeyed into the heartland of America. 
I've met with real Americans. 
I've never believed in polls. 
Key precincts have not yet reported. 
Let's celebrate our diversity. 
Let's take back our streets from the criminals. 
Making long pauses in speeches to give statements extra emphasis.
No dream is beyond our reach. 
One incident should not tarnish his many years of distinguished 
public service. 
Our children's future is at stake. 
Our country is as strong as it's ever been. 
Our democracy is at stake. 
People will vote with their conscience. 
People will vote with their hearts. 
Polls don't mean a thing. 
Terrorism wreaks havoc on the very fabric of our democracy. 
That's a battleground state. 
That's another tax-and-spend program. 
That's character assasination. 
That's the liberal media bias. 
That's what this party stands for. 
The bill has support on both sides of the aisle. 
The fact of the matter is...
The mainstream press has ignored it. 
The middle-class deserve a tax cut. 
The party rank and file are behind him. 
The people of the great state of __ have spoken. 
The polls fail to show who has the momentum. 
The race is a virtual dead heat. 
The real credit goes to the American people. 
The recount must be full, fair, and accurate. 
The true test of character is how you handle adversity. 
The voice of the voters must be heard. 
The voters are tired of all the name-calling. 
The voters are tired of negative campaigning. 
The voters can identify with him. 
The voters know what he stands for. 
The world changed forever on September 11th. 
There was a lapse in judgement. 
There was an error in judgement. 
There's been a lot of mud-slinging in this campaign. 
There's no smoking gun. 
There's still a long way to go in this race. 
They engage in partisan politics. 
They're just ___-bashing. 
They're playing dirty politics. 
They're playing political football. 
They're run

g_b Re: an early brush with sexual experience turned me gay

2005-10-05 Thread hahaha jsjsjsj

Hi Guys
Now that the group is discussing on this is would like to share my thought and how it started with me
I am the first child to my parents and when I was born my mother was 18 there were certain complications because of which I grew up at my grand mothers place since I was three days old, I had a great childhood and was a pampered kid .
I have very clear memories of my childhood , there were quite a few servants to take care of me and to play with me . one of them was a guy who had a perfect toned body was in his teens when I was 5 , I remember him taking me to the cellar and store rooms of the house and used to make me fondle his private parts . With time I started liking it. I started taking time out to be close to him and all this started. I was, actually I am still very fond of fit toned bodies and I used to look for servants who were young and had good bodies , I used to just like my hands all over there broad shoulders and at times would also rub across there private parts. I used to watch them taking a bath in the open and at times used to force the chosen
one to take me into the pond for a dip and there I used to have my share of fun. Please note that non of them ever tried to force there will on me , I just did what I wanted and never allowed them to dictate By this time I was already 10.
It was this time when my parents brought me back for schooling and I only visited my grand mother during school vacations. During which nothing used to happen.
Actual Sex happened with a school friend of mine when I reached my eight standard, and then there was no looking back. We fell in love and moved to a different city after our tenth standard . we stated together for a cool eight years out of wich for six years we stated with each other in mumbai.
So Guys I think an early brush with sexual experience attracted me toward men and I have no regrets.dbf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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g_b single fathers

2005-10-05 Thread beejay uncle

 i was quite amazed by the news item in the media re.
single father-- the calcutta story { where a divorcee
man gets a surrogate mother}.

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2005-10-05 Thread Ketan_

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g_b friend/mates wanted for October 6

2005-10-05 Thread gaybombaygroup

1)
allen john <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Date: Tue Oct 4, 2005 7:06pm 
Subject: anyone from south india? especially 25+ top gays.  
hi all,

   i'm 22 male from kerala. currently doing my final year 
engineering in tamilnadu. i need a loving, caring top gay..

2)
Marc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Date: Wed Oct 5, 2005 9:59am 
Subject: Visiting Mumbai
Hello..I'm visiting Mumbai from USA I will be here till the end of
October. I'm looking to meet friends and may be more for some fun and
would like to know where do gays hang out in Mumbai, any clubs, 
social
events etc etc.. My pic is in my profile and if you would like to
reply please email me and enclose your pic that would be great..look
forward to have some FUN

3)
From: "handsome hunk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Date: Wed Oct 5, 2005 6:04pm 
Subject:  Bangalore 
I am a 36 year old male from Calcutta.I will be in Bangalore from 
6th-
8th Oct.
I am 5.8 ft, 75 kg, almost hairless body, clean shaven. Interested 
slaves may reply at [EMAIL PROTECTED] with their cell 
numbers.I will access email ONLY ON 6th Morning and contact them.
Rohan

4)
From: "RAHUL N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Date: Wed Oct 5, 2005 7:55pm 
Subject: IN SEARCH 4 YOUNG BOY  
HI ALL 
this is rahul 22 male, 5'8", 67 kgs, waist 31, gym goin, complexion 
wheatish-slightly to darker side 
i wanna meet boys b/w age group 18-25 stayin near chembur
pls reply if interested

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2005-10-05 Thread suhail khan

hi walnut 
your prescription was very much complete, but you missed some points, like dont 
watch tv because when sahil khan and nigar khan together show up and you are 
bi/gay i dont think that you will be able to avoid sahil khan and look at nigar 
khan, similarly dont see salaam namaste because when saif ali khan will dance 
on the beach it will become difficult for you to avoid him, and not get 
attracted to him,and those who think that you can change the channel then 
ofcourse always keep your finger on the forward or reverse channel button.

also dont read magazines and newspapers with page three column because nowadays 
those pages do some time contain macho actors all bare-chest.

and unknowingly you may get attracted to him. dont let men touch you, means 
dont shake hands with a guy especially a sexy one.
 
and most important think when you succeed in becoming a straight,please do 
write to me, so that i can also start the procedure, it will be a revolution 
and the whole world will benefit.
 
bye

walnut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yes its a fact. I have personally spoken to our family Doctor and got this 
information. 
OK now, so if you want to change yourself, then first and formost, you need to 
change your choice and habits. You need to leave this group (well I dont want u 
to leave this group, but if u want to become a straight guy, or u were a 
straight guy some time back then) and take least interest in gay topics. You 
should avoid each and every instance when u feel u r getting inclined towards 
gayhood. You have to take yourself to the stage just before when u first 
discovered that u r either a gay or a bisexual. Its hard...difficult but its 
possible. try to have sex always with Female characters, dont let gay or 
bisexuals hinder around u, dont let men touch u in any way, if u feel like 
shagging then always think of a woman and not a manslowly and steadily u 
will achive what u desire.
 
Walnut


ammad hassan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
hi walnut
  if its in our mind that mean we can change it, and if we can 
change it then how 
because i am not comfortable being gay/bi i dont kown about you but i do want 
to change


walnut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
dude,
 
Let me tell u the truth here. Being a Gay doesnt mean you differ from other 
straight guys in any way. Only the differene lies in your thinking and in your 
brain. When certain hormones are released in the brain, you tend to get 
attracted more towards men than women. Now if you marry a girl, you can also 
have a baby and it can be a boy or a girl. Only thing is..you will have to try 
hard to satisfy any girl simply because you are never satisfied by having a sex 
with a girl. But its seen most of the times that Gay guys have baby girls quiet 
often than baby Boys.
And whether its a baby boy or a baby girl...there are rbight chances that they 
may carry similar likings or sex patterns...BUT WE ARE DEFINITELY (PHYSICALLY) 
NOT DIFFERENT THAN STRAIGHT GUYSTAKE THIS OUT OF YOUR MINDOR ELSE YOU 
MAY RUIN YOUR LIFE AND MAY START FEELING LEFT OVERDONT LET THIS HAPPEN TO 
YOU IN ANY WAY.Its only in our thinking and not in our physique! 
 
WALNUT


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hi all
   can anyone answer my question
 WHY WE ARE GAY?

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