g_b poem: Take Him

[Vikram D]

After some fairly heavy duty poems, a much lighter one for the weekend (though 
with some long notes at the end). Strictly speaking these are lyrics rather 
than a poem, from the musical Pal Joey, so they have that slight sense of 
something missing that lyrics always have. But they're funny and clever and, if 
you're looking for lyrics to dump a lover with, then they're useful as well! 
   
   
  Take him
  
LINDA:  He was a cutie - I admit I used to care.
but it's my duty to myself to take the air.
I won't prevent you from eloping if you wish
may I present you with this tasty dish
  
Take him, you don't have to pay for him
Take him, he's free
Take him, I won't make a play for him
He's not for me.
True that he’s head is like lumber,
True that his heart is like ice:
You’ll find this little number
Cheap at half the price.
Take him and just for the lure of it
Marry him too.
Keep him, for you can be sure of it,
He can't keep you.
So take my old jalopy
Keep him from falling apart.
Take him, but don't ever take him to heart.
  
VERA:   Thanks little Mousie, 
For the present and all that
But in this housie, 
I would rather keep a rat
Only a wizard 
Could reform that class of male
Thay say a lizard 
Cannot change his scale.
  
LINDA:  Take him, I won't put a price on him
Take him, he's yours
Take him, pajamas look nice on him.
But how he snores!
Though he is well adjusted
Certain things make him a wreck.
Last year his arm was busted
Reaching from a check.
His thoughts are seldom consecutive
He just can't write.
I know a movie executive 
Who's twice as bright,
Lots of good luck, you'll need it
And you'll need aspirin, too
Take him, but don't ever late him take you.
  
REFRAIN 3
  
BOTH:   I hope that things will go well with him;
I bear no hate.
All I can say: - “To hell with him,
he gets the gate.”
So take my benediction,
Take my old Benedict, too
Take him away, he's too good to be true.
  
Lorenz Hart (as quoted in W.H.Auden’s A Certain World: a commonplace book)
  
I've never seen Pal Joey, the musical, and later film, from which these lyrics 
are taken. I picked them up in W.H.Auden’s 'A Certain World', a commonplace 
book, or collection shirt bits of writing and pieces copies from elsewhere that 
the writer maintained. I laughed when I read them because they reminded me of 
someone I used to know, about whom more in a minute. I didn't have any reason 
to think of them as particularly gay, other than that Auden was gay and may 
have written them down because he got a bit of what I was getting from them. 
  
Then I did a check on Lorenz Hart, who I only knew vaguely as a name from the 
golden era of musicals. And guess what? Perhaps it shouldn't have been a 
surprise, but I found he was openly gay. Reading about his life (I'm pasting 
below an extract from an excellent article on the gay history of musicals) he 
seems painfully human in a way that many of us could probably relate to. 
  
Hart was openly gay, but not happy or confidant about it. Apart from the 
repressiveness of the times, he wasn't good looking and painfully aware of it. 
He seems to have often been in love, but never seems to have been able to 
sustain a long term romance. And its that experience he obviously put into his 
many lyrics he wrote for women, bemoaning the impossible nature of men. Like 
'Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered' or 'My Funny Valentine' (which recently 
cropped up in a heavily gay context in The Talented Mr.Ripley, sung by Matt 
Damon's character to Jude Law's). 
  
Or in this one, Take Him, which is a wonderful balance of poignancy and 
bitchiness. Here's the story of the musical they're taken from:
  
"A cheap nightclub emcee Joey Evans, what they uses to call "a heel" , ditches 
his naive girlfriend Linda to romance a rich older woman, Vera Simpson (O'Hara 
had deliberately given her Vivienne Segal's initials). Vera set him up his own 
nightclub, and thus exposes herself to a cheap blackmail attempt but one of 
Joey's former colleagues, dancer Gladys Bumps, and her boyfriend Ludlow Lowell. 
This fails when Linda warns Vera what they are planning and Vera calls her 
friend the Police Commissioner; but she decides to kick Joey out anyway." 
  
So that's why Vera and Linda are singing this to each other, but they could 
well be two old queens jettisoning an attractive, but undesirable male. It 
reminded me of this nutty, but very entertaining guy I met when I was first 
coming into the community. (If anybody figures out who this is, keep it to 
yourself). 
  
I was very raw and nervous at that time, and I'm grateful to this guy because 
he was one of the first guys I was comfortable with. At that time I wasn't 
looking for sex or anything other than just being with gay people to get used 
to them, and that suited this guy fine. He talked nineteen to the dozen, all 
about himself and what he wanted was an audience which I gave him very well. 
  
Much of what he talked about was his boyfriends. Apparently he had a string o

g_b Travelling Jaipur - Mumbai - Jaipur on 10th Aug, 13th Aug. - Companion Reqd.

[Tintin Mumbai India]

Travelling...
>From Jaipur to Mumbai on 10/08 by Train No 2980, Starting at 8:30 PM

>From Mumbai to Jaipur on 13/08 by Train No 2955, Starting at 6:50 PM

Incase any gay is travelling on same train, then time can be passed well...

Abhay.

Re: g_b Sunday meets in Mumbai

[Manoj]

Dear Bijoy,
  Its good you are coming to terms with yourself and feel the need to socialise 
and meet people as equals.
  The Sunday meets  are surely happening regularly - rather there was one just 
rh week before. This coming Sunday (5thAug) there are no meets scheduled as 
GayBombay goes to drench itself in rains for a picnic - u are welcome to join 
(for details do check (www.gaybombay.org)
  But there surely will be meets over the coming Sundays at Bandra as well as 
Thane.
  C ya there.
   
  Cheers
  Manoj

bijoy rath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
  I am in the grp. for quite some time now yet away from it, as I never had the 
courage to visit any meets organised by the grp.
  I want to know r the sunday meets done away with? I am in mumbai this sunday 
and have mustered up courage to attend it. Is there any meet in Mumbai/ Thane? 
I want to interact with u guys. 
  Thanx.
  Bijoy

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Re: g_b Pratibha Patil views on homosexuality

[Manoj]

a political appointee to this office has little or no views dude - atleast not 
worth considering or wasting time on

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Re: Fwd: Re: g_b Re: Is Sonu Nigam Gay?

[Mark Gory]

OK he's gay so what. . . . . . . . . none of us will probably never get a 
chance to sleep with him but the thought is GREAT Be happy for him and pray he 
is able to Identify with him self and be comfortable with himself to enjoy the 
life which he is a part of because so many gay men who are entertainers and 
famous are not able to be who they really are and have to hide them selves in a 
straight world that is wrong but that is how some feel they have to live, I 
pray for Sonu he will be comfortable with who he is and live a beautiful life 
with that someone special just like we all are or want to do God bless him 
always.
Mark


- Original Message 
From: Android Angel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2007 4:15:15 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: g_b Re: Is Sonu Nigam Gay?

Aditya,
 
That's not the way to pass over the issue. 
 
See highlighted lines below in red.
 
Angel

Aditya Bondyopadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> wrote:
Hey you Guys, and you Not so guys, and you Not at all guys on this list,
Dont all of you think its time we let the "GAY" ghost of Sonu Nigam rest in 
peace.??
I promise you all, I shall never ever make such a request should the ghost 
re-emerge as a centrespread of Hot-Male magazine, and then you can go play with 
the ghost till forever.
 
Love you all,
Aditya B

 
On 27/07/07, Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> wrote: 
I know people in film industry, they all say that he is a bisexual. was 
sleeping with model guys

Android Angel  wrote: 
I did not understand why this was not cleared by moderator?
 
Also no reply to me.
 
Angel

Note: forwarded message attached.


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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:42:57 +0100 (BST)
From: Android Angel 
Subject: Re: g_b Re: Is Sonu Nigam Gay?
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com


I feel whether he is or he is not not really a concern.
 
But forcing someone for it is a concern.
 
It's truelly his personal problem that he wants to fight out. Who is right and 
who is wrong should no be topic for discussion. No one arrive in world with 
stamp of "TRUTH" on his head. 
 
It is something suffocation that burst the lid of vacuum.
 
Chill..
 
That's why sometimes ago when I came across article saying"It's not easy being 
Diya Mirza", I could really figure out other side of coin.
 
Every line or field has it's own bureaucratic hurdles to overcome. That decides 
where you stand in the race.
 
It's wise to be a watchdog at times..
 
Angel

Mark Gory <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> wrote:
Ok what is the big deal he's gay, it's really know ones business who is 
sleeping with who unless you don't mine telling the world who you will be 
sleeping with tonight, or not. so if he's gay he's gay there are gay guys and 
there are straight guys. One thins for sure HE'S FINE AS HELL 

 
- Original Message 
From: splendor 123 
To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 11:10:34 PM
Subject: Re: g_b Re: Is Sonu Nigam Gay?


nigam is a gay

max_wilin2000  wrote: 
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "dxbm4m" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>
> Hi friends,
> With all the fuss about Sonu Nigam being harrassed and stalked, my 
> personal opinion is there is no smoke without fire...what do most of 
> you feel?how about a poll on this topic? 
> ciao
>
yea a poll is in order, I say hes gay.
max

 






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g_b When I Asked God

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When I Asked God for Strength

He Gave Me Difficult Situations to Face


When I Asked God for Brain & Brown

He Gave Me Puzzles in Life to Solve





When I Asked God for Happiness

He Showed Me Some Unhappy People


When I Asked God for Wealth

He Showed Me How to Work Hard


When I Asked God for Favors

He Showed Me Opportunities to Work Hard


When I Asked God for Peace

He Showed Me How to Help Others


God Gave Me Nothing I Wanted

He Gave Me Everything I Needed



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g_b Naturopathy

[dev naughty]

Hello Guys, I m a Bottom from Bombay. I wud like to inform tht thr is a 
Naturopathy Centre at Lonavala which has a course for 3 days to 1 week. I hv 
visited tht place n m planning to go for tht course. I m looking for a partner 
who is interested n want to accomodate with me so tht we cn hv fun thr. The 
fees for a week course is around Rs.4600/- which includes everythng from stay 
to medical expenses including yoga, massage, mud bath, etc. except to n fro 
transportation. Each person has to pay his own fees n cn only share rooms with 
other guys. If anyone interested do write back to me. I will be going ONLY for 
the course n have nothng to do with tht Centre. (I mean to say tht i m not 
inviting guys to get any comm. from tht Centre n m only looking for fun. So dnt 
tk me wrong, thnks.) The fees of the courses n all is mentioned thr itself on 
the Board.   

Thnks 

Dev. 


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g_b The GB Party on Saturday 11 August, 2007 at Liquid Lounge!

[Dee]

The GB Party on Saturday 11 August, 2007 at Liquid Lounge!
 
The GayBombay Party on Saturday 11 August, 2007 at Liquid Lounge!
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  Time: 9 pm - 1 am.
  Entry: Rs 500.
  Venue: Liquid Lounge(above Karma); Sukh Sagar; 534 S.V.P. Road;
Mumbai 47. (Near Girgaum Chowpatty and Opera House; opposite
Standard Chartered Bank. Charni Road is the closest station).
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Please note that you have to be above the age of 21 to attend
GayBombay parties. Please carry proof of age with you: a driving
license, college identity card, etc.
   
  YOU WILL NOT BE ADMITTED IF YOU ARE BELOW THE AGE OF 21!
  
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The Cover Charge includes: Inhouse DJ and a dance floor; light snacks
like wafers, peanuts, etc; 4 small Drinks with mixers, or 2 Beer
Pints, or 2 Bacardi Breezers/Mocktails, or 4 Soft Drinks/Mineral
Water.
   
  Extra drinks will be sold at Rs 50/- to Rs 100/- per drink. Dinner
will not be served.
   
   Extra food items can be ordered as per the menu
rates.
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
- Some don'ts:
  
` GB, as a support group, has created this comfort/safe space for
gays. Many people at the event may be "newbies" (those still coming to
terms with their sexuality and/or those who have mustered the courage
to come to such an event for the first time). We request you to be
sensitive to the comfort levels of others and to behave and dress
accordingly.
   
  ` No dark rooms and no sex on the premises; if found indulging in
any "hanky panky" you shall be asked to leave the party.
   
  ` A special REQUEST: During and after the party please DO NOT gather
outside the venue. The management has requested us to ensure that, in
the middle of the night, the peace of the neighbourhood is not
disturbed.
   
  - A few dos:
   
  ` Have a smashing time.
` Carry your Alcoholic Drinks Permit.
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For more information: www.gaybombay.org
  
Right of admission reserved.
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g_b two poems: The Tobacconist's Window and Body, Remember....

[Vikram D]

The Tobacconist's Window 
  
Near the brightly lit tobacconist's
shop-window they were standing, in a crowd.
Their glances met by chance,
expressing the forbidden longings of
their flesh uncertainly and shyly.
Then a few uneasy paces on the pavement
until they smiled, and nodded slightly. 
  
And then in the closed cab
the sensuous meeting of bodies;
the joined hands, joined lips. 
  
 
  Body, Remember 
  
Body, remember not only how much you were loved,
not only the beds you lay on,
but also in the desires that glowed openly
in eyes that looked at you,
trembled for you in the voices -
only some chance obstacle frustrated them. 
Now that it’s all finally in the past,
it seems almost as if you gave yourself
to those desires too - how they glowed,
remember, in eyes that looked at you,
remember, body, how they trembled for you in those voices.  
  
Constantine P. Cavafy 
  tr.Peter J. King and Andrea Christofidou 
  
Two short poems by Cavafy, both linked to men cruising. The first is of a 
successful encounter, the second of all the many encounters that never were 
more than looks and voices. The intensity of those looks and voices, says 
Cavafy, makes these encounters no less than those which were physically 
consummated.  
  
Cavafy's poems, of love and desire and memory, are easily the most erotic poems 
on homosexuality ever written. Nothing much 'happens' in them, they are usually 
just observations, impressions. Yet they all have an intensity, a feeling of 
simultaneous vividness and languor, that is unique to Cavafy. 


   
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g_b ‘Asia must overcome HIV stigma’

[Aditya Bondyopadhyay]

http://www.sundaytimes.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=520605



'Asia must overcome HIV stigma'



AFP Published:Jul 20, 2007



SYDNEY - Asia has made progress in containing HIV but must remove the stigma
associated with the virus to fully consolidate the gains and keep it under
control, international research chiefs say.



Speaking ahead of an international conference of 5,000 HIV/Aids researchers
in Sydney next week, America's top expert Anthony Fauci and his Australian
counterpart David Cooper said HIV remained a major public health risk in
Asia.



Fauci said predictions HIV would devastate Asia as it had Africa had proved
false after local health authorities, which were initially slow to heed
warnings, adopted pro-active policies.



But he said the potential for an epidemic still existed in a region
estimated to have eight million people with HIV, a figure aid agency USAid
says could climb to 40 million by 2010.



"The population density in Asia is so great, with countries like India and
China that have a billion people each, that infection rates just have to
track up a few percentage points and you're potentially looking at a
catastrophe," Fauci told AFP.



Cooper, the co-chair of the International Aids Society (IAS) conference,
said responding to HIV was complicated by the fact that many suffers existed
on the fringe of Asian society and faced discrimination.



"We're not going to have the generalised epidemics in our region that we've
got in sub-Saharan Africa, we're going to have explosive smaller epidemics,"
he said.



"They tend to occur among drug users, also among gay men, sex workers or
mobile workers such as truck drivers, fishermen who are more likely to pay
for sex.



"In Asia, they're stigmatised and discriminated populations. The trick is to
get into these vulnerable populations and provide non-judgemental
healthcare."



Cooper cited China as an example of a country that had overcome its initial
denial of an HIV problem but could go further if discrimination ended.



"China is responding pretty well, their response has changed, they're
putting treatment in place and doing research," he said.



"But people are still very much concerned about the human rights issues and
how people with HIV are treated in Chinese society."



China estimated last year that it had 650,000 HIV cases, although United
Nations (UN) officials estimate the actual number is now higher.



A recent paper in British medical journal The Lancet praised China's
adoption of schemes such as needle exchanges and awareness campaigns among
gay men, although the UN said there was still resistance to confronting the
problem at a local level.



In India, where the estimated number of HIV cases was this month halved to
2.5 million, the government has set out to target the type of at-risk groups
identified by Cooper.



"They're talking about upscaling programmes with marginalised groups," said
Anjali Gopalan, head of the Naz Foundation, which works primarily with men.



"There was quite a bit of silence on them earlier."



Indians with HIV are still often treated as social outcasts, with reports of
doctors shunning Aids patients and HIV-positive children being barred from
attending school with other pupils.



In Cambodia, one of the countries hit hardest by HIV/Aids, the authorities
are concerned that discrimination is helping the virus spread.



"It is difficult for us since stigma causes infected people not to speak out
and this quietly spreads the infection," said Ly Peng Sun, deputy director
of the National Centre for HIV/Aids and Dermatology.



"Bias can prevent us from fighting the virus successfully."



Vietnam has introduced laws banning discrimination against people with HIV,
although locals say it means some employers simply find a pretext to sack
infected workers, rather than admitting it is because of their illness.



"If this new law is effectively implemented, it will serve not only as a
shield for the fundamental rights of people living with HIV...but also as a
positive tool for fighting stigma and discrimination," UNAids Vietnam
director Eammon Murphy said.



Thailand has adopted a different tack to breaking down the taboos regarding
HIV with innovative education campaigns such as traffic police handing out
condoms, an initiative dubbed "Cops and Rubbers."



The country, which has experienced about half a million Aids deaths and has
about the same number of HIV cases, has slashed infection rates since it
appointed a cabinet-level anti-Aids co-ordinator to oversee prevention
efforts.



It is also pushing international drugmakers over access to generic versions
of newer and more expensive HIV medications that are needed to treat
patients who have become resistant to the old drugs

g_b Sunday meets in Mumbai

[bijoy rath]

Hi,
  I am in the grp. for quite some time now yet away from it, as I never had the 
courage to visit any meets organised by the grp.
  I want to know r the sunday meets done away with? I am in mumbai this sunday 
and have mustered up courage to attend it. Is there any meet in Mumbai/ Thane? 
I want to interact with u guys. 
  Thanx.
  Bijoy

   
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g_b Pratibha Patil views on homosexuality

[dax]

Does anyone know her views on homosexuality?

   
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g_b Pride incorporated

[Aditya Bondyopadhyay]

Read at:
http://www.straight.com/article-103809/pride-incorporated

News Features  Pride incorporated
  Feature
Articles  By Charlie Smith
 Publish Date: August 2, 2007



*Some community activists are holding their own celebrations because they
feel the annual festival is too reliant on business.*

Jamie Lee Hamilton will never forget the hatred she felt during Vancouver's
first gay-pride march 29 years ago. Hamilton, then a young sex-trade worker,
was part of a small group of protesters who decided to walk from Nelson Park
in the West End down Thurlow Street to bring attention to the fight for
equal rights.

"I remember having tomatoes thrown at us, absolutely," Hamilton told
the *Georgia Straight
*. "It was a time to start showcasing and not fearing any of the oppression
that was levelled at the community. It wasn't that long ago that all of our
clubs were deemed illegal. They had to operate as private bottle clubs
because you couldn't get licensing."

-more at link above--