Re: g_b Re: Please advice

[Sanjay Lulla]

Shatruji
You and ur frnz shld confront him and tell him that what he is doing is not 
appreciated and if he continues you wld have no option but to report him. Do 
this with firm cönuiction and without fear. In a group u wld have courage to 
face the situation.
This shld scare him off.
We shld always make things clear at the onset! Cheers focus on ur studies.

Re: g_b Re: Please advice

[Jake Jake]

Address your concerns directly with him - let him know if he wants to kiss you 
then that is fine but NEVER in front of your friends - let him know this is 
totally uncool - if he gets naffed by this then you have the college 
authorities to take it further with... but as you say you do not mind him doing 
it; so then enjoy it in private!

--- On Thu, 12/2/09, shatru_lovely  wrote:

> From: shatru_lovely 
> Subject: g_b Re: Please advice
> To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com
> Received: Thursday, 12 February, 2009, 2:02 AM
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> Keeping this in mind please tell me what should I do? I am
> asking this 
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> to all of you because you can understand my feelings and
> that of my 
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> teachers feelings better than any straight guy.
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> - Shatru
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> --- In gay_bom...@yahoogro
> ups.com, "shatru_lovely"  ...> 
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> it odd but 
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> Yesterday he 
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> don't mind him 
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> > kissing me but he wants to do this in front of
> everybody. 
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g_b San Diego Sued Over Gay Pride Event--Again

[asfan]

San Diego Sued Over Gay Pride Event--Again
 




 
 This Wednesday, a San Diego jury will hear closing statements in the case of 
four San Diego firefighters, John Ghiotto, Jason Hewitt, Chad Allison and Alex 
Kane, who all claim sexual harassment against the Fire Department of San Diego, 
and therein the city itself, for their forced participation in a 2007 gay pride 
parade. This will be the second time the case has been heard after the first 
jury failed to rule a verdict during its previous October hearing on account of 
conflicting testimony. 

In order to win a case of sexual harassment against the city, the firefighters 
must prove that they suffered thresholds of “severe and pervasive” abuse. 

The opening statements of the case heard that on July 21, 2007, the 
firefighters in question were “humiliated” and “demoralized” during and 
following the parade, and that their Chief, one Tracy Jarmen, dismissed their 
complaints, insisting that attendance at the parade was part of their duty, and 
that the claimed abuse was imagined. 

All other city Fire Departments allow participation in gay pride parades on a 
voluntary, opt-out basis. This is the “red-flag” by which the four firefighters 
might claim victory in the case, expert in harassment cases Kevin Williams from 
San Fransisco warned, but then said that proving they had suffered damages to 
the extent needed for the case to be upheld would be "difficult" at best.

Subsequently the San Diego Fire Department was quick to clarify that forced 
participation in the event was a rare occurrence as a previous group of 
firefighters who had volunteered backed out shortly before the parade, meaning 
that there was a spot to be filled. The jury were then told that participation 
in the event has always been a problem and that, with only three hours to go, 
Tracy Jarmen was forced to call on the four men, as not showing up at the 
parade may have sent the incorrect message to the gay community. 

Amongst their complaints, the four firemen testified that they were subjected 
to cat-calls, innuendo, scenes of simulated sex by members of the crowd as well 
as one occasion of a man exposing himself to the firefighters. 

Charles LiMandri, the firefighters' lawyer, is adamant that this is not an 
issue of gay rights or homophobia, but one of procedure and that the forced 
participation in an event that went against the plaintiffs’ beliefs subjected 
them to harm, a harm that was neither investigated or acknowledged in spite of 
complaints being voiced. 

"My clients made it known ... that this was not something they wanted to do," 
LiMandri said, and then added “Our dispute is how this particular dispute was 
handled.”

However Deputy City Attorney Don Shanahan insisted that it was the Fire 
Department's duty to take part in the event, an event that celebrated the 
emergency services participation and built strong community ties, and that the 
Fire Department was, in general, run like a military organization where members 
of its staff didn’t get to “pick and choose” what they wanted to do. He also 
added that "Uncomfortable is different than being sexually harassed," and urged 
the jury to see past the men’s personal prejudices, and possibly their own, to 
observe if there was any truth in the assertion that the firefighters were 
subjected to “severe and pervasive” abuse. 

One of the men, John Ghietto, testified “I didn't want to be associated with 
what goes on at that parade,” whilst firefighter Alex Kane said, “I never 
experienced stress quite like the parade”. They each testified that the San 
Diego gay pride parade of 2007 left them with nausea, headaches, anxiety and 
other forms of emotional distress, however they were not made to interact with 
the crowd during the parade, and, as reported by the Union Tribune were allowed 
to go through the parade with the windows up and listening to music if they so 
chose, which, half way through, they did. 

Contrary to the firefighters’ complaints that the crowed was behaving in a lewd 
manner, San Diego Fire Chief Tracy Jarman, who walked in front of the truck and 
witnessed people applauding the fire engine and the Fire Department as a whole, 
said that she thought the accusations were incorrect.. “What they experienced 
wasn't my experience,” Jarman said..  

The parade has had its problems in the past, with complaints of indecency 
having been filed in previous years, and Charles LiMandri of the prosecution 
was quick to establish this. Yet, all four of the firemen testified that “most 
of the crowd” dressed and acted appropriately during the parade, whilst the 
defense again cited discrepancies in the firefighters' testimony as to the 
amount or extent of any abuse that was suffered.

By the 2008 parade, the Fire Department had instigated a strictly volunteer 
basis for participation in the parade. 

LiMandri has failed to put a figure on the amount of damages he is seeking for 
each of his clients, b

g_b Re: Please advice

[shatru_lovely]

Ours is a Junior College, attached to a school. This teacher teaches 
in both school and college. I feel he must have harassed some of the 
school boys also.

Keeping this in mind please tell me what should I do? I am asking this 
to all of you because you can understand my feelings and that of my 
teachers feelings better than any straight guy.

- Shatru



--- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, "shatru_lovely"  
wrote:
>
> Hey to all my friends!!!
> 
> I am M18yr from Mumbai. I have observed that my teacher (M 25 to 
30), 
> keeps staring at me while teaching. Initially I found it odd but 
> eventually I got used to it and started ignoring it. Yesterday he 
> tried to kiss me in front of some of my friends. I don't mind him 
> kissing me but he wants to do this in front of everybody. 
> 
> Now what do I do? Should I approach college authorities? 
> I don't want to ruin his career. 
> 
> Please advice.
>

RE: g_b Irish security guard wins Mr. Gay World title

[Sanjay Lulla]

Yeah I knew it! He is a look alike of my partner. I had voted 4 him! Muwah muwah

g_b Re: How to respect transgenders as equal members of the society

[Cathy]

 Firstly let me say that ,as a transwoman, I thank you for your
sensitivity. I live in Canada which tends to be much more accepting 
but we still struggle with acceptance by the straight and queer 
communities. We have to deal with stereotypes and ignorance among 
other things. For Example transwomen who self identify as lesbians 
have great difficulties with lesbians for many reasons. Transwomen 
who self identify as straight and are into men only face other issues 
but there are men who are into transwomen. I could write so much more 
but I hope these words give others a glimpse of what we encounter.
Shoshana  

--- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, Aditya Bondyopadhyay 
 wrote:
>
> http://mynews.in/fullstory.aspx?storyid=15592#
> 
>  How to respect transgenders as equal members of the 
society  Dr
> Lalit
> Kishore
> 
>  10/2/2009
> 8:39:07 PM(IST)
> 
> *Transgenders,* in India, are a neglected lot, often stigmatised 
and are
> forced to live on the margins of the mainstream society. With no 
respect and
> due to lack of any social sopport system, the often become anti-
social or
> take to prostitution or begging in our country.
> 
> Recently, the Tamil Nadu Social Welfare Board, along with Madras 
Christian
> Council of Social Service (MCCSS) and Manpower Awareness Social 
Service
> (MASS) Trust, has tied up with mobile phone companies Nokia, 
Motorola and
> Foxconn to find alternative employment for transgenders.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> There is need to treat transgenders as individuals and respect them 
as equal
> members of hmuman society.
> 
> * *
> 
> *Here are some useful guidelines to respect the transgenders:*
> 
> 
>- Never assume and reflect in conversation their gender 
correlates with
>their sexuality. Resect viversity. There are straight, gay, 
lesbian,
>bisexual, and asexual transgender people, just as there are non-
transgender
>people of all orientations.
>- Most transgenders trust others and wish for their sel-esteem 
needs.
>Thank them for trusting you; it will mean a lot to them, because
> *you*mean a lot to them.
>- Think of them as the gender they refer to themselves as and 
refer to
>them with their chosen name and gender pronoun irrespective of 
their
>physical appearance.
>- Treat them equal since transgender people have essentially the 
same
>personalities as they did before coming out.  We should treat 
them as we
>would anybody else.
> 
> Transgenders too are human beings and have same civic and social 
rights as
> as any other members of the society.
>

Re: g_b Re: Please advice

[jimmy khan]

Dear Shatru
 
If this the way he has treeted you & other friend of urs b4 its 2 late guys 
wake up n log on to ur higher authoritise , its sounds prety weird & harm full.
 
regards
 
Jimmy Khan

--- On Wed, 2/11/09, shatru_lovely  wrote:

From: shatru_lovely 
Subject: g_b Re: Please advice
To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 8:15 AM






Dear Friends,
Thanks a lot for your advice. I don't know whether I am gay. I never tried sex 
with a guy. 
But yes my friends kiss me and I don't mind it. Sometimes I enjoy it. I don't 
find their 
touch or even kiss to be ugly. But when my teacher touches me it gives an odd 
feeling and 
when he tried to kiss me I refused it. 

Yesterday I thought I should tell him that I don't like it, so I met him after 
school hours. 
But he miss-understood me and pulled me in one class room. Before he could do 
something I pushed him and rushed out of the class room. 

He could have asked me in a nice way rather than forcing it. 

I talked to my friends about the incidence and I was shocked to know that he 
tried it with 
two of my friends also. 

We are going to decide what to do shortly. Even now I feel I should not spoil 
his career. 
After all he is a married person with two daughters. 

 Shatrughna (Shatru)

--- In gay_bom...@yahoogro ups.com, "shatru_lovely"  wrote:
>
> Hey to all my friends!!!
> 
> I am M18yr from Mumbai. I have observed that my teacher (M 25 to 30), 
> keeps staring at me while teaching. Initially I found it odd but 
> eventually I got used to it and started ignoring it. Yesterday he 
> tried to kiss me in front of some of my friends. I don't mind him 
> kissing me but he wants to do this in front of everybody. 
> 
> Now what do I do? Should I approach college authorities? 
> I don't want to ruin his career. 
> 
> Please advice.
>

















  

g_b Irish security guard wins Mr. Gay World title

[moderator]

Irish security guard wins Mr. Gay World title

Posted in: International 
Daily News 
By GayNZ.com Daily News Staff - 10th February 2009

Krzyzanowski has become Mr. Gay World 2009 in front of a sold-out audience
at a ski resort in Whistler, Canada.


winner.jpg

Success: Runner-up Mr. Gay Paraguay & winner Mr. Gay Ireland

After four days of challenges that included surviving in the wilderness,
preparing dinner, photoshoots and creating a fashion show, 24 delegates were
whittled down several finalists.

Mr. Gay Paraguay was the runner-up, Mr. Gay Philippines insured Asia was
well represented by taking the "Best Costume Award" and "Mr. Popular Award".
Mr. Gay Argentina took Mr. Photogenic Award; Mr. Gay Colombia was supported
by the fellow delegates with the Mr. Congeniality while Mr. Gay Paraguay won
Mr. Swimwear. Mr. Gay Australia received the Mr. Leadership Award for his
efforts at the various team challenges.

37-year-old Kryzanowski is a security guard for a private club in Dublin
city, and is also a Muay Thai kickboxing instructor.

The new Mr. Gay World says he wanted to take part in the competition because
"it's a unique opportunity to see and experience the gay community working
on an international stage to further the cause of equality.


"In my professional life, the qualities of patience, respect and
steadfastness under pressure have become my ethos, and I hope these traits
are sought-after qualities for Mr Gay World," he said a statement on the
competition's website.

Kiwi-born 29-year-old Reece Karena represented New Zealand in the
competition, with sponsorship from Air New Zealand.

 

 

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g_b same-sex couples have the same rights and obligations as those of traditional couples

[German Humberto Rincon Perfetti]

*same-sex couples have the same rights and obligations as those of
traditional couples*

* In another worldwide  unprecedented sentence, Colombia's Constitutional
Court has rendered a decision on the suit presented by the Colombia Diversa
and Dejusticia associations.  Supported by international level human rights
associations they brought suit against more than twenty laws that regulate
the rights and obligations of male/female couples that live together without
being married. *

* With this sentence, which requires immediate and obligatory compliance, it
has been decided that from now on, same-sex couples, before the law, have
the same rights and obligations as those of traditional couples, fully equal
rights, fully equal to those of heterosexual couples, with the exception of
adoption and marriage rights.  *

* The sentence of this Colombian high court is a consequence of the
insistent efforts, persistence and hard work that activists have been
carrying out for more than twelve years in changing the place of discussion
of sexuality and putting it into other scenarios such as the legislature,
the Constitutional Court; and aided with better clarity by the foundations
produced by academia, the communications media and some political parties,
generating a change, from the point of view of human rights, as to what can
be imagined and be culturally acceptable.  *

* These rights and obligations encompass family law, family assets which
cannot be seized, the legal status of "family dwelling" to the place of
residence where the couple live, the obligation to provide support for each
other), immigration effects, (visa rights for the foreign partner) ,
criminal legislation (the benefit of not having to testify against a
partner, the crime of misuse and dilapidation of family property,
intra-family violence, threats to witnesses) military court legislation and
military discipline, regulation related to the law of truth, justice and
reparation of the victims of the internal armed conflict, measures of civil
protection in favor of  the victims of atrocious crimes, military pensions,
housing subsidies, and to receive indemnification from insurance.  From now
on, people employed by the state, must declare who their partner is, and
that person is  disqualified from making a contract with the entity that
their partner works for.*

* The court has clarified that it has not declared anything about these
partnerships within the concept of family.*

* With this decision Colombia takes first place in this subject, right after
the countries where same-sex marriage itself already exists.*

* *

*Germán Humberto Rincón Perfetti*

*Latin American Representative to the International Lesbian and Gay Law
Association  **www.ILGLaw.org ** *

*Andean Region Gay Representative to the ILGA www.ILGA.org
Bogotá, Colombia*
*rinconperfettiger...@hotmail.com
*

g_b How to respect transgenders as equal members of the society

[Aditya Bondyopadhyay]

http://mynews.in/fullstory.aspx?storyid=15592#

 How to respect transgenders as equal members of the society  Dr
Lalit
Kishore

 10/2/2009
8:39:07 PM(IST)

*Transgenders,* in India, are a neglected lot, often stigmatised and are
forced to live on the margins of the mainstream society. With no respect and
due to lack of any social sopport system, the often become anti-social or
take to prostitution or begging in our country.

Recently, the Tamil Nadu Social Welfare Board, along with Madras Christian
Council of Social Service (MCCSS) and Manpower Awareness Social Service
(MASS) Trust, has tied up with mobile phone companies Nokia, Motorola and
Foxconn to find alternative employment for transgenders.





There is need to treat transgenders as individuals and respect them as equal
members of hmuman society.

* *

*Here are some useful guidelines to respect the transgenders:*


   - Never assume and reflect in conversation their gender correlates with
   their sexuality. Resect viversity. There are straight, gay, lesbian,
   bisexual, and asexual transgender people, just as there are non-transgender
   people of all orientations.
   - Most transgenders trust others and wish for their sel-esteem needs.
   Thank them for trusting you; it will mean a lot to them, because
*you*mean a lot to them.
   - Think of them as the gender they refer to themselves as and refer to
   them with their chosen name and gender pronoun irrespective of their
   physical appearance.
   - Treat them equal since transgender people have essentially the same
   personalities as they did before coming out.  We should treat them as we
   would anybody else.

Transgenders too are human beings and have same civic and social rights as
as any other members of the society.

g_b Re: Please advice

[shatru_lovely]

Dear Friends,
 Thanks a lot for your advice. I don't know whether I am gay. I never tried sex 
with a guy. 
But yes my friends kiss me and I don't mind it. Sometimes I enjoy it. I don't 
find their 
touch or even kiss to be ugly. But when my teacher touches me it gives an odd 
feeling and 
when he tried to kiss me I refused it. 

Yesterday I thought I should tell him that I don't like it, so I met him after 
school hours. 
But he miss-understood me and pulled me in one class room. Before he could do 
something I pushed him and rushed out of the class room. 

He could have asked me in a nice way rather than forcing it. 

I talked to my friends about the incidence and I was shocked to know that he 
tried it with 
two of my friends also. 

We are going to decide what to do shortly. Even now I feel I should not spoil 
his career. 
After all he is a married person with two daughters. 


 Shatrughna (Shatru)

--- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, "shatru_lovely"  wrote:
>
> Hey to all my friends!!!
> 
> I am M18yr from Mumbai. I have observed that my teacher (M 25 to 30), 
> keeps staring at me while teaching. Initially I found it odd but 
> eventually I got used to it and started ignoring it. Yesterday he 
> tried to kiss me in front of some of my friends. I don't mind him 
> kissing me but he wants to do this in front of everybody. 
> 
> Now what do I do? Should I approach college authorities? 
> I don't want to ruin his career. 
> 
> Please advice.
>

Re: g_b Please advice

[Sanjay Lulla]

This reminds me of one of my college professor. The whole college and faculty 
taunted him that he önly came to college to look at Sanjay! He did whisk me 
away in private to a picnic in Gorai. He produced  bottles of toddy and we 
drank n drank and were singing our lungs out. Thats all we did :-/! He runs pvt 
classes nw I shld go and shock him. Maybe his wife taught him a thing or two.

subodh_kumaar wrote: 
> Wow, I wish I had a professor hitting on me, if it was me I would 
> have 
> said, promise me an A+ grade and you can do whatever you want to do 
> with me. it will take the load off of atleast one course 
> --- In gay_bom...@yahoogro ups.com , jimmy khan  wrote: 
>> 
>> Dear Shatru 
>>   
>> Your mail is bit confusing here its sounds that you have no problem 
> if he wants to kiss you which he may but make it secretly? 
>>   
>> One side you don¢t want to ruin his career & secondly you allowing 
> him to do so? 
>>   
>> Any way the best thing which you can do is that you invite him, for 
> cup of coffee after you class. 
>>   
>>  Ask him nice way that you have noticed in since few days that the 
> way he is staring or kissing you in public is not acceptable for 
> either of you. Just try to solve the problem by giving him soft 
> understanding,  also express your personal interest and make him clear 
> that if you like him or not so that would be clear enough in first step. 
>>   
>> Further if you face after given understanding its repeats again sure 
> you have right to complaints to higher authorities. 
>>   
>> Regards 
>>   
>> Jimmy 
>> 
>> --- On Sun, 2/8/09, shatru_lovely  wrote: 
>> 
>> From: shatru_lovely  
>> Subject: g_b Please advice 
>> To: gay_bom...@yahoogro ups.com 
>> Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 11:40 AM 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hey to all my friends!!! 
>> 
>> I am M18yr from Mumbai. I have observed that my teacher (M 25 to 30), 
>> keeps staring at me while teaching. Initially I found it odd but 
>> eventually I got used to it and started ignoring it. Yesterday he 
>> tried to kiss me in front of some of my friends. I don't mind him 
>> kissing me but he wants to do this in front of everybody. 
>> 
>> Now what do I do? Should I approach college authorities? 
>> I don't want to ruin his career. 
>> 
>> Please advice. 
>> 
>  



  

g_b Re:Please advice

[mehrdad forouhar]

well if he likes you and you too like him,go ahead,talk to him tell him not to 
do in front of
others ..go to a indoor place and have sex with eachother...good luck