Re: g_b Request to Prashant ref all his emails

2010-02-24 Thread Prashant
1) Only Mr. Ashok Row Kavi said that my mails can be used by our enemies. When 
I asked him how, he remained silent.

First of all, the courts do not use anonymous material. Second, if they really 
use my articles, it will provide us better help since I have written that what 
we got is less than what we deserve. It cannot harm us. I have always 
maintained that SC will not make any change to DHC verdict. There appears to be 
no reason to do that. A country of one billion population does not take 
decisions on something it overhears.

2) This is vague. Please specify which personal belief I have written posing it 
as a proven fact. You gave only one example, and it is absurd. 1967 judgment of 
UK might have been a little bit more restrictive than today's DHC verdict which 
has come after 32 years of that. This does not make it landmark. After all, the 
world has changed a lot during these 32 years, especially in respect of 
homosexuality.

Your mail is intimidating. Your order, request, or suggestion, whatever you 
call it, that I completely stop writing on anything is not acceptable to me.

You are shouting loud since your personal opinion on many issues is different 
from mine. And by chance, a few other members also have opinions different than 
mine on certain issues. You are thriving on this and therefore you want to 
silence my voice. Although you state that you do not want to say whether you 
agree or disagree with me, but you have made your reason of such loud shouting 
very clear. Please count upon your own strengths and do not get carried away by 
what others say.

I will obey only to the moderators. If they tell that I should not write 
anything, I will accept.

Prashant
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--- On Wed, 24/2/10, Salil salilmum...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: Salil salilmum...@yahoo.com
Subject: g_b Request to Prashant ref all his emails
To: gaybom...@yahoogroups.com, gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, LGBT-india 
lgbt-in...@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 24 February, 2010, 2:06 AM

Prashant,

I have read with interest most of your emails to the various gay mailing lists. 
I have a few requests to make, in common to all your emails till now -

1) There have been repeated requests that some of the content of your emails 
could be quoted in the current Sec 377 case in a way that harms our community. 
As the wise have said, no freedom is absolute and is tempered by a 
corresponding duty or responsibility. Assuming you are interested in the 
greater good of the gay community in India, will you please heed these requests 
and not make the job of our activist friends more difficult than it already is 
? You can help by not making the current DHC judgment sound foolish, for 
example. I am not saying you do not have the right to your opinion, neither am 
I saying I agree or disagree with it, I am simply saying the greater good might 
be served at simply the cost of you not getting to write an email to a group, 
which seems a good deal to me.

2) There are repeated references in your emails to some personal beliefs which 
you tend to state in the manner of proven fact, which they are not. As you are 
aware, the large majority of members on these mailing lists do not write but 
only read the postings. It is possible that they may read the wrong information 
posted by you but not the correction posted by one of the lawyers or doctors. 
Can you please desist from writing about topics which needs specialist 
understanding either legal or medical in nature. I also suggest that you do 
more research before you post - many of your errors can be easily avoided if 
you bothered to read up first. For example you wondered why the DHC should be 
considered a landmark though the sodomy legalising bill passed in the UK in 
1967 was not considered a landmark. If you had bothered to read a bit you would 
find that the 1967 bill was indeed a sorry piece of legislation compared to the 
unequivocal rejection of
 discrimination that the DHC judgment delivers. For example, google would have 
directed you to the following passage and improved your understanding :

(as a result of the 1967 judgment) ,while gay sex may have been legal, most of 
the things that might lead to it were still classified as 'procuring' and 
'soliciting' . 'It remained unlawful for two consenting adult men to chat up 
each other in any non-private location,' Tatchell says. 'It was illegal for two 
men even to exchange phone numbers in a public place or to attempt to contact 
each other with a view to having sex.' Thus the 1967 law established the 
risible anomaly that to arrange to do something legal was itself illegal. In 
summary, please write only about stuff you know about - don't just shoot your 
mouth off. 

Cheers
Salil 



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g_b Request to Prashant ref all his emails

2010-02-23 Thread Salil

Prashant,

I have read with interest most of your emails to the various gay mailing lists. 
I have a few requests to make, in common to all your emails till now -

1) There have been repeated requests that some of the content of your emails 
could be quoted in the current Sec 377 case in a way that harms our community. 
As the wise have said, no freedom is absolute and is tempered by a 
corresponding duty or responsibility. Assuming you are interested in the 
greater good of the gay community in India, will you please heed these requests 
and not make the job of our activist friends more difficult than it already is 
? You can help by not making the current DHC judgment sound foolish, for 
example. I am not saying you do not have the right to your opinion, neither am 
I saying I agree or disagree with it, I am simply saying the greater good might 
be served at simply the cost of you not getting to write an email to a group, 
which seems a good deal to me.

2) There are repeated references in your emails to some personal beliefs which 
you tend to state in the manner of proven fact, which they are not. As you are 
aware, the large majority of members on these mailing lists do not write but 
only read the postings. It is possible that they may read the wrong information 
posted by you but not the correction posted by one of the lawyers or doctors. 
Can you please desist from writing about topics which needs specialist 
understanding either legal or medical in nature. I also suggest that you do 
more research before you post - many of your errors can be easily avoided if 
you bothered to read up first. For example you wondered why the DHC should be 
considered a landmark though the sodomy legalising bill passed in the UK in 
1967 was not considered a landmark. If you had bothered to read a bit you would 
find that the 1967 bill was indeed a sorry piece of legislation compared to the 
unequivocal rejection of
 discrimination that the DHC judgment delivers. For example, google would have 
directed you to the following passage and improved your understanding :

(as a result of the 1967 judgment) ,while gay sex may have been legal, most of 
the things that might lead to
it were still classified as 'procuring' and 'soliciting'. 'It remained
unlawful for two consenting adult men to chat up each other in any
non-private location,' Tatchell says. 'It was illegal for two men even
to exchange phone numbers in a public place or to attempt to contact
each other with a view to having sex.' Thus the 1967 law established
the risible anomaly that to arrange to do something legal was itself
illegal. In summary, please write only about stuff you know about - don't just 
shoot your mouth off. 

Cheers
Salil


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