Re: 404 @ https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-5/

2014-12-30 Thread Olaf van der Spek

On 29-12-2014 16:34, Ed Smith-Rowland wrote:

The note about C++14 conformance is great as it stands modulo link errors.


Why is it great to not mention the experimental qualifier?

Do all files / libraries have to be compiled with the same -std option?
If so, this option causes ABI issues by itself.

Olaf



Re: 404 @ https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-5/

2014-12-30 Thread Olaf van der Spek

On 29-12-2014 18:36, Jonathan Wakely wrote:

On 29 December 2014 at 15:34, Ed Smith-Rowland wrote:

The note on C++14 conformance referred to is not the place for this but: is
our C++11 support really less tested and more experimental than our C++03
support at this point?  One thing I can think of might be gcc bootstrap.


The main difference is ABI stability, which is not guaranteed for
C++11 (but should be once the std::string changes and resulting churn
settle down).


Is std::string still being fixed? Will that fix be part of 5.0?
Are ABI concerns holding back other things as well?

Olaf


Re: 404 @ https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-5/

2014-12-27 Thread Olaf van der Spek

On 26-12-2014 1:52, Jonathan Wakely wrote:

On 25 December 2014 at 16:28, Olaf van der Spek wrote:

Hi,

https://gcc.gnu.org/ links to https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-5/ (GCC 5 C++14
language feature-complete [2014-12-23]) which doesn't exist.


It should probably be https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-5/status.html


I don't think that's right, it should link to a page like 
https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.8/




Important: Because the final ISO C++14 standard was only recently
published, GCC's support is experimental.


Is C++11 support no longer experimental?


That hasn't changed yet, but it should be announced on
https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-5/status.html when it does.


Okay, but shouldn't that be reflected in the announcement?
I doesn't mention the experimental status at all.

> GCC 5 C++14 language feature-complete [2014-12-23]
> Support for all C++14 language features has been added to the 
development sources for GCC, and will be available when GCC 5 is 
released next year.




404 @ https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-5/

2014-12-25 Thread Olaf van der Spek

Hi,

https://gcc.gnu.org/ links to https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-5/ (GCC 5 C++14 
language feature-complete [2014-12-23]) which doesn't exist.


> Important: Because the final ISO C++14 standard was only recently 
published, GCC's support is experimental.


Is C++11 support no longer experimental? Is C++11 available by default 
or does it still require -std=c++11?


Greetings,

Olaf