Re: [Patch RFC] Modify excess precision logic to permit FLT_EVAL_METHOD=16

2016-09-07 Thread Joseph Myers
On Tue, 6 Sep 2016, James Greenhalgh wrote:

> In c-family/c-cppbuiltin.c I've updated cpp_iec_559_value such that also
> allow setting __GEC_IEC_559 if FLT_EVAL_METHOD=16, and I've updated
> c_cpp_builtins to handle the new value, and use the new enum names.

I think the special cases in this patch show that the abstractions are 
wrong.

How about instead having more than one target macro / hook.  One would 
indicate that excess precision is used by insn patterns (and be set only 
for i386 and m68k).  Another would indicate the API-level excess precision 
requested by the target and might take an argument to indicate whether the 
"fast" or "standard" case is in use (in the x86 case the results would 
differ depending on the argument, in the ARM case they wouldn't).

* If the first hook returns true, excess precision is unpredictable in the 
"fast" case.  Otherwise excess precision is predictable.

* For short-circuiting excess_precision_type, maybe an internal setting 
EXCESS_PRECISION_NONE would make sense, and other settings would be turned 
into it if permitted by the results of the second hook.

(For s390, talk to the maintainers, but I think they really need to 
eliminate the bogus float_t definition in glibc and the FLT_EVAL_METHOD 
setting that goes along with it.  This is the sort of theoretical ABI 
change that should be safe in practice.)

> +   machine_mode float16_type_mode = (FLOATN_TYPE_NODE (0)
> + ? TYPE_MODE (FLOATN_TYPE_NODE (0))
> + : VOIDmode);

This is obviously wrong.  Use float16_type_node.

> +   ||mode == TYPE_MODE (float_type_node));

Missing space after ||.

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Joseph S. Myers
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Re: [Patch RFC] Modify excess precision logic to permit FLT_EVAL_METHOD=16

2016-09-07 Thread Joseph Myers
On Wed, 7 Sep 2016, Joseph Myers wrote:

> How about instead having more than one target macro / hook.  One would 
> indicate that excess precision is used by insn patterns (and be set only 
> for i386 and m68k).  Another would indicate the API-level excess precision 

Or, maybe there would be a single hook taking a tristate argument.

Target hooks need to provide the following information:

(a) What excess precision is implicit in the insn patterns (that is, when 
a value described in middle-end IR as having a particular mode/type may in 
fact implicitly have extra range and precision because insn patterns 
produce results with such extra range and precision, not just with the 
range and precision of the output mode).

(b) What excess precision should be added explicitly to the IR by the 
front end in "fast" mode.

(c) What excess precision should be added explicitly to the IR by the 
front end in "standard" mode.

All of these may be represented by FLT_EVAL_METHOD values.  In what 
follows, "none" means no excess precision (whether the value is 0 or 16); 
"unpredictable" means inherently unpredictable even in the absence of 
register spills (like -mfpmath=sse+387), so FLT_EVAL_METHOD == -1.  In 
principle there could be cases of predictable excess precision that have 
to map to -1 because there is no other value they could map to, but in 
practice I don't expect that to be an issue (given the TS 18661-3 values 
of FLT_EVAL_METHOD being available).

(a) should always be "none" except for the existing x86 and m68k cases.

(b) is "none" in all existing cases, but we have the issue of ARM cases 
without direct binary16 arithmetic where it would be desirable for it to 
apply excess precision to _Float16 values.

(c) is not "none" at present in exactly those cases where 
TARGET_FLT_EVAL_METHOD is nonzero (but in the case of s390 this is really 
a target bug that should be fixed).  It might also be not "none" in future 
for ARM cases like in (b).

(a) can be "unpredictable".  (b) and (c) never can.

Rather than init_excess_precision setting flag_excess_precision, possibly 
turning "standard" into "fast", I think it should set some variable that 
describes the result of whichever of (b) and (c) is applicable - and in 
the cases where "standard" turns into "fast", it would simply happen that 
both (b) and (c) produce the same result.

The effective excess precision seen by the user is the result of applying 
first one of (b) and (c), then (a).  If (a) is not "none", this is not 
entirely predictable.  It's a broken compiler configuration if applying 
(c) yields a type on which (a) is not a no-op, except in the case where 
(a) is "unpredictable" and (c) is "none".  I'm not aware of any likely 
cases where a type would actually get promoted twice by applying those two 
operations.

Right now TARGET_FLT_EVAL_METHOD_NON_DEFAULT is used to give errors for 
-fexcess-precision=standard for languages not supporting it.  With a 
conversion to hooks, that needs to be rethought.  The point is to give an 
error if predictability was requested but cannot be achieved, so I suppose 
ideally the error should be about (a) being not "none", together with 
-fexcess-precision=standard being used.  But if the relevant back-end 
options aren't available at this point to use the hook for (a), the error 
could just be given for all targets (for those languages when that option 
is given).

Effective predictability, for __GCC_IEC_559 in flag_iso mode, means that 
(a) does nothing to any type resulting from whichever of (b) and (c) is in 
effect.

The way __LIBGCC_*_EXCESS_PRECISION__ is used is about eliminating excess 
precision from results assigned to variables - meaning it should be about 
(a) only.

That leaves the question of setting FLT_EVAL_METHOD.  It should relate to 
the effective excess precision seen by the user, the combination of 
whichever of (b) and (c) is in effect with (a).  The only problem is the 
case where that combination is most precisely described by "16", which as 
discussed is not a C11 value and may affect existing code not expecting 
such a value.  The value -1 is compatible with C11 and TS 18661-3 but 
suboptimal, while the value 0 is compatible with C11 only, not with TS 
18661-3 even when no feature test macros are defined.

We already have the option -fno-fp-int-builtin-inexact to ensure certain 
built-in functions follow TS 18661-1 semantics.  It might be reasonable to 
have a new option to enable FLT_EVAL_METHOD using new values.  However, 
I'd be inclined to think that such an option should be on by default for 
-std=gnu*, only off for strict conformance modes.  (There would be both 
__FLT_EVAL_METHOD__ and __FLT_EVAL_METHOD_C99__, say, predefined macros, 
so that  could also always use the new value if 
__STDC_WANT_IEC_60559_TYPES_EXT__ is defined.)

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Joseph S. Myers
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