Re: gEDA-user: Tomorrow! December Free Dog meeting announcement -- reminder!
Has the freeedaug group discussed ways for geda/gaf to accept monetary contributions from those users who wish to contribute? If no, can you add this item to the meeting agenda? If yes, what has been done to put a working avenue of contribution into service? Thanks, Phil Taylor seattle, wa 206-571-8135 Stuart Brorson wrote: -- Free Dog Gathering Announcement The Free EDA Users Group will meet this coming *Wednesday*, December 6th. As usual, let's meet at the Starbucks across the street from Quantum Books on Ames St, between Main St and Broadway. It's about 1 block away from the Kendall Sq T stop. (In Cambridge, MA, USA, of course.) The meeting will be an open and informal working session. Some time has elapsed since our last gathering and a lot has happened, so there is much to discuss! Bring your laptop! Some items on the agenda are: * All those branches in CVS! How to merge them? * What's going on with DBUS? * Guile 1.8 bug -- Oh no! Another link library bug! * DJ's challange board: How can people even see those components? * Next code sprint: When shall we hold it? * PCB's teardrop plug-in. Let's try it out! * QUCS -- Let's take it out for another spin. * Whatever you've been up to... Free Dog is an association of like-minded hackers and engineers interested in free and open EDA tools. We hold monthly meetings near MIT (and other locations) featuring informal networking, speakers, and camaraderie. Our goals are to learn more about CAD, engineering and scientific software, share ideas about our current projects, and -- most importantly -- have fun with like-minded people. We welcome new members and participants of all ages. Students are particularly welcome! Date: Wednesday, December 6th, 2006. (*** Note day ***) Time: 7:00pm Location: Starbucks Coffee, 6 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA, USA.(*** The usual location ***) For more details, please contact me privately at sdb (AT) cloud9 (DOT) net. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Tomorrow! December Free Dog meeting announcement -- reminder!
[snip] cutting up the pie, and handing out the pieces. If Ales is ever perceived -- rightly or wrongly -- to allocate the pie unfairly, it can breed resentment. Well, now that you mention it, pies would be nice. Yes, please donate using SF so I can buy pies. :- I agree with Stuart on all the above points. Accepting money and then deciding what to do with it fairly is non-trivial and tricky. [snip] On the other hand, if we agree upfront that *no* donation money goes to any developer, then the money can be used for advertising (for example), like taking out quarter-page spreads in Circuit Cellar. That might not be a bad idea. What about pies for developers? :) Anyway, thanks for the thought. We can discuss it tonight. Yup, this is a very worthy topic of continued discussion. I have a few more topics: * Issues about the future of the gEDA server * My universal binaries (I may have something to try out tonight) * The Windows port continued... * Kai-Martin Knaak's Wishes, bugs, and misunderstanding lists. (I like these lists btw, and I want to talk about some of the issues raised). It is clear that there interest in the topics, so we will keep meeting notes and post them. -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Tomorrow! December Free Dog meeting announcement -- reminder!
* All those branches in CVS! How to merge them? I can talk about cvs merging in general. * DJ's challange board: How can people even see those components? :-) I'll bring all mine (protos, final, spares) * Next code sprint: When shall we hold it? My place is not readily available once it starts snowing. * PCB's teardrop plug-in. Let's try it out! Yay! (quick, make sure it's working on the laptop...) * Whatever you've been up to... I've got a few boards to show and tell. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Re: strange build failure
On Dec 6, 2006, at 4:29 AM, Evan Lavelle wrote: Nice to see you've got a native Windoze build - I hope to get around to trying it over the next couple of months. I don't want to get involved in this particular flamefest, but it's a simple fact that most hardware development is on Windows. Anyone who seriously thinks otherwise should spend 20 minutes reading comp.arch.fpga. All this says is that a lot of FPGA development is on Windows, and there's more to the hardware design world than programming FPGAs. Presumably things are this way in the FPGA world because the Windows versions of the FPGA vendors' proprietary tools are cheaper (or even free) than the ones for serious OSs. Things won't be that way forever. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Cape Coral, FL ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Re: strange build failure
On Wednesday 06 December 2006 10:29, Dave McGuire wrote: On Dec 6, 2006, at 4:29 AM, Evan Lavelle wrote: Nice to see you've got a native Windoze build - I hope to get around to trying it over the next couple of months. I don't want to get involved in this particular flamefest, but it's a simple fact that most hardware development is on Windows. Anyone who seriously thinks otherwise should spend 20 minutes reading comp.arch.fpga. All this says is that a lot of FPGA development is on Windows, and there's more to the hardware design world than programming FPGAs. Actually, all it says is that the people hanging out on comp.arch.fpga tend to use Windows. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Tomorrow! December Free Dog meeting announcement -- reminder!
On Wednesday 06 December 2006 07:12, Stuart Brorson wrote: How should the pie be cut up? For example, I may type more text onto geda-user, but the developers in Europe contribute far more useful code to gEDA/gaf. [1] Should we get an even share of the small donation pile? I don't think so -- I think they should get more than me. But how much? And do we allocate the cash by lines of code contributed? What about code quality? Also, should the money go to gEDA/gaf developers only, or also to Icarus Verilog, Gnucap, NGSpice, and so on? The danger of creating resentment if somebody feels left out is much greater than the small sums involved. On the other hand, if we agree upfront that *no* donation money goes to any developer, then the money can be used for advertising (for example), like taking out quarter-page spreads in Circuit Cellar. That might not be a bad idea. Obviously the donor should say how it is spent, and the request should be honored absolutely. If someone wants to fund a particular project they can send the money directly to the intended person. Such contributions should be encouraged. Advertising in Circuit Cellar is a good idea, but we are not ready yet. A booth at DAC or DesignCon may also be a good idea, when we are ready. I am looking at ways to fund the development of gnucap. (translation: make some money doing it). I don't think small donations from casual users are the way to do it. I would like to be able to do this full time. I am sure some others here would too. I got the domain name gedaconsulting.com. For now, it points at seul.org, which puts up the seul web page, which links to geda. gnucap.gedaconsulting.org points to gnucap.org. I am open to suggestions on what to do with it. On Wednesday 06 December 2006 07:12, Stuart Brorson wrote: [1] I'm leaving out the active PCB developers here since they have their own donation system. How is it working? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Re: Tomorrow! December Free Dog meeting announcement -- reminder!
On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 08:23:24 -0500, Ales Hvezda wrote: * Kai-Martin Knaak's Wishes, bugs, and misunderstanding lists. (I like these lists btw, and I want to talk about some of the issues raised). Glad to see, that they found an ear :-) ---(kaimartin)--- BTW, there is a similar list for pcb in my notes. -- Kai-Martin Knaak http://lilalaser.de/blog ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: strange build failure
al davis wrote: As DJ said ... don't talk about a license unless you've actually read it and understand it. Indeed; I agree entirely. I personally have read it, in detail, several times, and have also seen a number of (mostly pseudo-)legal commentaries on it. I believe that I understand v2 as much as it's reasonably possible to understand it, given the ambiguities in its drafting, and it's limited legal testing. Note that I didn't say that you can't make money on a GPL'ed licence; the FAQ is clear on that issue. The issue is whether you can use the code without strings attached, and you can't. In this respect, it's no better than a patent. A patent disseminates knowledge - there must be full disclosure - but there are also strings attached. In this case, the quid pro quo is that the issuing government grants a limited-time monopoly on the exploitation of that knowledge. GPL'ed software also disseminates knowledge, with full disclosure. The quid pro quo lies in the fine details of how you can use that knowledge, how you can combine it with your own knowledge, and the restrictions placed on that combined knowledge. In both cases, you can make arrangements with the licensor for commercial exploitation. If you want to share knowledge, and you have the courage of your convictions, then you give it away, *no* strings attached. That's what universities are for. If I write a book on a technical subject, then that's precisely what I do. If I answer a particularly complex question on Usenet somewhere, then that's what I'm doing. In none of these cases do I add specific riders about how precisely my knowledge may be used, nor do I prohibit its use in circumstances that I personally do not approve of; that would be absurd. That's *real* freedom. Where is the freedom that is so continuously talked about in the GPL documentation? Why is it necessary to define four different sorts of freedoms? Why is a large amount of the GPL documentation about detecting violations and reporting offenders? In what country, exactly, does all this count as freedom? Or is just ideology? I've never been involved in (or even seen) a rational discussion of software licensing, and I don't want to get involved in a flamefest now. I'm only replying to your and DJ's message because of the quote above which is, on the face of it, both condescending and irritating, but I'm prepared to believe that it was intended as neither. If you or anyone else gets this far and wants to reply to me, I suggest you do it offline. Evan ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: PCB postscript printing problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone I have a weird problem: when I export my layout to Postscript (File - Export layout - PS) some pages look like a bitmap with resolution of only some 20 dpi. I've photographed an example of a good and a bad printout. See pictures at: http://www.tablix.org/~avian/pcb-print-bug . This from solder layer mask. Other layers look similar (assembly page looks especially ugly with a low-resolution raster). Printouts like this are useless. This problem seems to be limited to only one layout (and of course this happens to be my most complicated layout for which I spent some hundred hours or so). This same setup works fine with other layouts I've made with PCB. Interestingly, the postscript file looks OK in Postscript viewers like gv or evince. It only seems to get converted to low resolution when it's printed. I've tried printing some test postscript files and they are printed in full resolution. I would really appreciate any help. Some info about my system: PCB version 20060822 and CVS, both with GTK HID. (they both have the same problem. CVS version also skips some polygons in the printout, but that's probably unrelated) Debian Testing (updated today) Printer: Xerox DocuPrint P8e (CUPS, using LaserJet PCL 4/5 driver) Best regards Tomaz -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFdz/NsAlAlRhL9q8RAhCMAJsGdzrjqMPxezKAebjD+yBI4v22yACdGQuE nHKnIR+Lh39apkc6binkTGU= =50eD -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: strange build failure
On Wednesday 06 December 2006 17:03, Evan Lavelle wrote: If you want to share knowledge, and you have the courage of your convictions, then you give it away, *no* strings attached. That's what universities are for. If I write a book on a technical subject, then that's precisely what I do. Really Can you give us a pointer to a book you have written and given away with no strings attached? Can you give us a pointer to a large project that you did yourself at your own expense and gave away with no strings attached? That someone else attached strings, made a big profit from, and gave you none? That brought a lawsuit against you for IP theft, when they in fact took from you? Why do you complain about a share and share alike arrangement, when you seem to have no objection to really oppressive restrictions of proprietary software and contaminated standards? You miss a key point in comparing GPL to a patent. With GPL, you actually need to deliberately copy to infringe. Studying it, learning from it, and re-implementing is legal and done often. With a patent, it is considered to be infringing if you accidentally do something in a similar way, even with no knowledge of existence of the patent, even if the owner of the patent took from you. Can you give us an example of some work you did, perhaps thought it was nothing special, but someone several years later got a patent on essentially the same work, that today would prevent you from using your own work? Why does it matter so much to you? What do you personally have at stake? Why can't you just use it and say thanks? I do agree with you on one point, I think, that you implied but did not explicitly say: Government funded work should be placed in the public domain, which will allow derivative works of all kinds, including GPL, proprietary, and public domain. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: gschem / PCB Newbie
Hello all, I finally have a working schematic, with some new components, and start of a PCB layout. Can some one answer these questions : - Transistors have a pin number and pinlabel, when i make a netlist the pinlabels (E,B,C) seems to appear in the netlist. PCB does not accept this since the pinlabels are not digits How can this be avoided ? - I have created a new DIN41612 , 32 pin ab connector and i have the same problem as above. But here i'd like to distinguish the ax and bx pins. - How can i change footprints in PCB, afterwards, without messing up the existing layout ? best regards, Simon -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/gschem---PCB-Newbie-tf2772767.html#a7734295 Sent from the gEDA - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
