gEDA-user: DJ's back

2007-04-18 Thread DJ Delorie

 Is the site down? I can't seem to connect...

Major storm hit NH, taking out power, phones, internet, roads, a few
houses, and at least one truck.  We're OK though, but at the peak
there were close to 200,000 people without power in the area, mostly
due to trees falling on power lines.  We were without power for 51
hours, and without phone/internet for a little less than that.

Fortunately, this happens regularly to us (it's a spring thing), so we
had backup power, alternate heat sources, and even battery powered
internet (VERY slow).  However, our road was washed out just north of
us and just south of us, so the only way to get anywhere was to take
back roads around one of the washouts, then loop around town to get to
the main road.  The phone company's CO got flooded this time too, so
phone service is still limited and spotty, and the cell system is
overloaded.

These were some back roads just up the street from me:
http://cmonitor.mycapture.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?userphoto=1image=59033thispage=1
http://cmonitor.mycapture.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?userphoto=1image=59032thispage=1

More news and photos at www.cmonitor.com and www.unionleader.com.

For those who don't know what a nor'easter is, here's a little
weather lesson.  The jet stream crosses the USA from West to East, and
ends up here (East coast).  As it turns up the coast, you get the
typical cyclone system (think weak hurricane) with one side (the
south east part) over the gulf stream in the Atlantic, and the other
side (the north west part) over us.  North of us is the cold air mass
from Northern Canada.  So, this weather system picks up warm humid air
from the ocean, and dumps it on us as rain or snow.  The prevailing
winds are from the North East, hence nor'easter.  Nor'easters can
dump a LOT of rain or snow (we got 3 of rain) and create very high
winds (up to 45 MPH here).


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Re: gEDA-user: home-made dremel drill press

2007-04-18 Thread DJ Delorie

 What I do is drill two pilot holes before applying the photoresist
 in the unusable border around the circuit and use them to align the
 masks before exposure.

What I did this time is add some 13 mil vias outside the board (part
of my usual process is to panelize two boards with a copper border
around them to protect them against TT paper shrinkage), drill those
vias, and use a few 13mil drill bits to pin the TT paper in the
right place.  The registration was off by about 10 mils, which wasn't
bad, but I'd need to do better to use 13 mil vias (they're just the
right size for wire wrapping wire).


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Re: gEDA-user: home-made dremel drill press

2007-04-18 Thread Ben Jackson
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 12:18:48PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
 
 right place.  The registration was off by about 10 mils, which wasn't
 bad, but I'd need to do better to use 13 mil vias (they're just the
 right size for wire wrapping wire).

I cut the sides a little overside, then line them up using a strong
light source.  When they're aligned, I put a few staples in one end,
verify I didn't tweak the alignment, and then staple the other end.
Then I slide the board into the resulting sleeve.  If you let it find
its natural shape, the alignment is very good.  Considering the puny
annular rings around components like resistors in Eagle, it had to be!

-- 
Ben Jackson AD7GD
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RE: gEDA-user: DJ's back

2007-04-18 Thread David Kerber
Here in RI, many areas had around 5 of rain, and some of the offshore
islands had winds up to 70 mph.
 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DJ Delorie
 Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:13 PM
 To: geda-user@moria.seul.org
 Subject: gEDA-user: DJ's back
 
 
  Is the site down? I can't seem to connect...
 
 Major storm hit NH, taking out power, phones, internet, 
 roads, a few houses, and at least one truck.  We're OK 
 though, but at the peak there were close to 200,000 people 
 without power in the area, mostly due to trees falling on 
 power lines.  We were without power for 51 hours, and without 
 phone/internet for a little less than that.
 
 Fortunately, this happens regularly to us (it's a spring 
 thing), so we had backup power, alternate heat sources, and 
 even battery powered internet (VERY slow).  However, our road 
 was washed out just north of us and just south of us, so the 
 only way to get anywhere was to take back roads around one of 
 the washouts, then loop around town to get to the main road.  
 The phone company's CO got flooded this time too, so phone 
 service is still limited and spotty, and the cell system is 
 overloaded.
 
 These were some back roads just up the street from me:
 http://cmonitor.mycapture.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?userphoto=
 1image=59033thispage=1
 http://cmonitor.mycapture.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?userphoto=
 1image=59032thispage=1
 
 More news and photos at www.cmonitor.com and www.unionleader.com.
 
 For those who don't know what a nor'easter is, here's a 
 little weather lesson.  The jet stream crosses the USA from 
 West to East, and ends up here (East coast).  As it turns up 
 the coast, you get the typical cyclone system (think weak 
 hurricane) with one side (the south east part) over the gulf 
 stream in the Atlantic, and the other side (the north west 
 part) over us.  North of us is the cold air mass from 
 Northern Canada.  So, this weather system picks up warm humid 
 air from the ocean, and dumps it on us as rain or snow.  The 
 prevailing winds are from the North East, hence nor'easter. 
  Nor'easters can dump a LOT of rain or snow (we got 3 of 
 rain) and create very high winds (up to 45 MPH here).
 
 
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Re: gEDA-user: photo-imagable supplies (was: dremel drill press)

2007-04-18 Thread DJ Delorie

 it seems no easy photography supplier films are high enough contrast
 to get a good film for exposing photomask --

You can still use toner for the masters, plus the Homebrew yahoo group
talks about how to optimize inkjet prints for masking.


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Re: Where's DJ? Was: Re: gEDA-user: home-made dremel drill press

2007-04-18 Thread DJ Delorie

Good guesses, Stuart ;-)

 Stuart (who thinks DJ is reading books by candlelight right now)

Actually, I have an emergency flashlight I read by that doesn't use
batteries (it's the type you shake).  However, at the time you sent
this, I had my fileserver running on generator power and was trying to
get it to boot again (I made a configuration change that was
incompatible with the boot process).


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gEDA-user: storm from the furnace's point of view

2007-04-18 Thread DJ Delorie

http://www.delorie.com/tmp/noreaster-2007.html


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gEDA-user: Antenna Simulation

2007-04-18 Thread Stefan Dröge
Hi, I'm searching for a graphical editor for antennas that produces input files 
for NEC (for those that don't know NEC: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerical_Electromagnetics_Code).
So it doesn't have to be a special antenna construction program, it just has to 
put out files in NEC format.
I tried to run 4nec2 with wine under linux, but its so slow in the geometry 
editor that its not usable.

Any ideas?

Greetings, Stefan


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Re: gEDA-user: DJ's back

2007-04-18 Thread Svenn Are Bjerkem

On 4/18/07, David Kerber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Here in RI, many areas had around 5 of rain, and some of the offshore
islands had winds up to 70 mph.


Looking forward to you guys using the metric system. Those numbers
need some serious recalculation to become interesting Even the
temperatures (in degrees F) from DJ's furnace made me wonder if the
global warming has hit US harder than Europe :-)

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Re: gEDA-user: DJ's back

2007-04-18 Thread DJ Delorie

 Looking forward to you guys using the metric system. Those numbers
 need some serious recalculation to become interesting Even the
 temperatures (in degrees F) from DJ's furnace made me wonder if the
 global warming has hit US harder than Europe :-)

The temp sensors for the furnace read in Celsius, I convert them.  As
for that chart, the interesting parts were the big gaps and its feeble
attempts to keep up, not the actual temperatures themselves ;-)

Fahrenheit is useful because the normal range of outside temperatures
is 0 to 100 degrees.  It's like metric, but with a more practical
scale.

Besides, we already use the metric system for drugs, soft drinks, and
small pitch parts.  What more do you expect?  ;-)


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RE: gEDA-user: DJ's back

2007-04-18 Thread David Kerber
 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Svenn 
 Are Bjerkem
 Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:53 PM
 To: gEDA user mailing list
 Subject: Re: gEDA-user: DJ's back
 
 On 4/18/07, David Kerber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Here in RI, many areas had around 5 of rain, and some of 

Approx 13cm of rain in about 36 hrs.

 the offshore 
  islands had winds up to 70 mph.

112kph or so.

 
 Looking forward to you guys using the metric system. Those 

Yeah, me too!!!  We have customers in the UK, so I'm fairly used to working
with liters (litres) and Meters, but I still have to stop and think about
temperature and speed conversions. 

 numbers need some serious recalculation to become 
 interesting Even the temperatures (in degrees F) from 
 DJ's furnace made me wonder if the global warming has hit US 
 harder than Europe :-)
 
 --
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Re: gEDA-user: DJ's back

2007-04-18 Thread John Coppens
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:12:51 -0400
DJ Delorie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Is the site down? I can't seem to connect...
 
 Major storm hit NH, taking out power, phones, internet, roads, a few
 houses, and at least one truck.  We're OK though, but at the peak
 there were close to 200,000 people without power in the area, mostly
 due to trees falling on power lines.  We were without power for 51
 hours, and without phone/internet for a little less than that.

Wow... Welcome back!

John


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Re: gEDA-user: Antenna Simulation

2007-04-18 Thread Dave N6NZ
Don't know of one for Linux. But in my experience, a graphical editor 
for NEC isn't of great value anyway.  The amounts that the wire lengths 
are changing while you are tuning antennas is too small relative to the 
rest of the structure and to the screen size.


What *is* useful is symbolic expressions in wire lists, so that specific 
points in space can be given names.  Makes it much easier to move a wire 
joint, since by changing the X/Y/Z values for one point all the 
associated wire dimensions are adjusted. Brian Beezley's old AO and YO 
programs did that, and it was very convenient.  I've often thought that 
a simple text-to-text preprocessor that resolved symbolic expressions 
would be very useful.


-dave

Stefan Dröge wrote:

Hi, I'm searching for a graphical editor for antennas that produces input files 
for NEC (for those that don't know NEC: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerical_Electromagnetics_Code).
So it doesn't have to be a special antenna construction program, it just has to 
put out files in NEC format.
I tried to run 4nec2 with wine under linux, but its so slow in the geometry 
editor that its not usable.

Any ideas?

Greetings, Stefan


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Re: gEDA-user: DJ's back

2007-04-18 Thread John Doty


On Apr 18, 2007, at 2:12 PM, David Kerber wrote:




the offshore

islands had winds up to 70 mph.


112kph or so.


Not *really* metric. But 31 m/s, *that's* SI! ;-)

John Doty  Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
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Re: gEDA-user: DJ's back

2007-04-18 Thread Svenn Are Bjerkem

On 4/18/07, David Kerber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Svenn
 Are Bjerkem
 Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:53 PM
 To: gEDA user mailing list
 Subject: Re: gEDA-user: DJ's back

 On 4/18/07, David Kerber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Here in RI, many areas had around 5 of rain, and some of

Approx 13cm of rain in about 36 hrs.


In Norway we would convert that to mm per 24h, which would be
something like 87mm (but the weatherman actually adds last day
(which is 24h)) and also last 30 days average.

In Germany we count everything in liters (litres) on a square meter
and you have to watch out for the time measure as they sometimes tell
you liters/h. In retrospect we normally get the total since it started
to rain or whatever. 130 liters should clean the air, I think.



 the offshore
  islands had winds up to 70 mph.

112kph or so.


 Looking forward to you guys using the metric system. Those

Yeah, me too!!!  We have customers in the UK, so I'm fairly used to working
with liters (litres) and Meters, but I still have to stop and think about
temperature and speed conversions.


It actually hits me why the English don't write Metres when they write
litres, but that's probably me being ignorant.

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Re: gEDA-user: DJ's back

2007-04-18 Thread Svenn Are Bjerkem

On 4/18/07, John Doty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Apr 18, 2007, at 2:12 PM, David Kerber wrote:


 the offshore
 islands had winds up to 70 mph.

 112kph or so.

Not *really* metric. But 31 m/s, *that's* SI! ;-)


Maybe, but offshore islands should always give wind speed in knots or
Beaufort in order to get proper respect from sailors. :-) 31 m/s does
not tell me anything, but Force 11 does

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gEDA-user: PCB testers needed

2007-04-18 Thread Dan McMahill
I got a whopping 1 response to this request a month ago but I figured I 
try again...  This is good opportunity for active PCB users to help out!


I have implemented user defined menus for the gtk HID for pcb.  The 
menus are read from a resource file on startup just like in the lesstif 
HID.   Instead of looking for pcb-menu.res, the gtk HID looks for 
gpcb-menu.res in the same locations.  The reason for a different name 
is that the organization of the default menus for the lesstif HID is 
different than the gtk HID.  However, the goal is for the menu resource 
files to be compatible.  By this I mean you should be able to do 
something like


ln -s pcb-menu.res gpcb-menu.res

and have both the lesstif and gtk HID's have the same set of menus and 
hotkeys.


One goal I had was to not change much in the way of the menu layout or 
hotkeys from what is currently in the CVS HEAD for the gtk hid.  Despite 
this, I do expect there will be a few changes.


One visible change is that all hotkeys are now defined through the 
menus.  You'll see that under the Info menu, there is a Key bindings 
submenu.  That is a catch-all place where all of the key bindings that 
aren't already assigned to the normal menus go.  It has the side 
effect of providing an online reference.


To try out the new menus, update to the usermenu branch.

Do this by either

cvs update -PdA -r usermenu

from your pcb source tree, or check out a new working copy somewhere 
else with:


cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/pcb login
cvs -z3 -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/pcb co -P 
-r usermenu  pcb



then

./configure --disable-doc
gmake
cd src
./pcbtest.sh

The changes to get to this point were fairly far reaching and intrusive 
so I'd really really like feedback from some active users before I merge 
this work back to the trunk.



What I'd specifically like feedback on are:

1) menus/hotkeys which worked in pcb-20070208 with the gtk HID and are 
broken now


2) any other wierd behaviour relating to menus or hotkeys that is 
different from pcb-20070208.


3) does this build with gtk = 2.8.0 and if so, does the Center() 
action (bound to 'C') work?


Feel free to substitute current cvs head for 20070208.

My goal is to get the usermenu branch up to the same level of 
functionality as what was in pcb-20070208 or current cvs head before 
merging the branch back to the head.  While I care about bugs and other 
usability problems which existed in 20070208 and the cvs head, I don't 
want to try and address those until after issues which are specific to 
the usermenu branch are dealt with.



Known issues:

- Mouse section in the resource file is ignored.  I need to learn about 
how the mouse buttons are handled in the gtk HID currently so I can hook 
up that section.


- A fair amount of now obsolete code still exists in gui-top-window.c. I 
need to do some major house keeping.


There is a file, src/todo which lists the remaining known issues with 
the usermenu branch.


While I don't think this branch has any major instabilities in it, it 
should still be treated as alpha quality.  So please make backups of any 
of your work!  You have been warned!


I'd love to merge this before the code sprint on saturday (or maybe as 
part?) but will hold off if problems are found.


Thanks
-Dan




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Re: gEDA-user: DJ's back

2007-04-18 Thread John Griessen

Svenn Are Bjerkem wrote:

On 4/18/07, David Kerber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



In Germany we count everything in liters (litres) on a square meter
and you have to watch out for the time measure as they sometimes tell
you liters/h. In retrospect we normally get the total since it started
to rain or whatever. 130 liters should clean the air, I think.


Sounds like fresh air Svenn.

Good to hear you didn't lose your computer fix
during the storm, DJ.

JG



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Re: gEDA-user: DJ's back

2007-04-18 Thread John Griessen

DJ Delorie wrote:
But yes, my software is designed to

handle both negative numbers and three-digit numbers.  We didn't
actually hit 100F this year, only 97F or so.


We're due for those 3 digit Farenheit temps in July here in Texas -- sometimes 
for 6 weeks of the year...

Things get strewn around outdoors in July and August... no rain to bother 
things, so they get left where they were last used...

John G


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Re: gEDA-user: DJ's back

2007-04-18 Thread Steve Meier
Way back in the winter of 1985 (i think). Knoxville TN hit a low of -25
F which was more then one of the bank clock/thermometers could handle.
The thermometer was display 107 F.

Showing my usual level of sanity, I went off to North Carolina for some
Ice climbing.

Steve Meier


On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 18:05 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
  DJ's neglecting to tell you how often it exceeds this normal range at 
  his house.  Especially at the low end ;)
 
 Not *that* often.  We dipped into the negatives a couple of times, but
 +10 to +20F is our normal low.  But yes, my software is designed to
 handle both negative numbers and three-digit numbers.  We didn't
 actually hit 100F this year, only 97F or so.
 
 http://www.delorie.com/tmp/20070418-year.html
 
 
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