Re: gEDA-user: VMPlayer Image
Sorry for the delay. It looks like someone recently posted a Ubuntu image, which is great. Anyway here is a link to the page which has the fedora core 5 based Vmware images that I use. The image has 20060822 build of pcb installed. There's plenty of bandwidth available yet and the download speed saturated the downlink on my cable modem at 600KB/s. http://www.jendylabs.com/index.php?section=9 Cheers, Jeff On 3/9/07, Sztrikó János [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm interested in it. Have you found a host, is it available now? Thanks, Janos Jeff VR wrote: Well, based on the discussion I think there is definitely some interest and it's worth providing. I haven't made huge strides to make the image smaller but compressed it's around 830MB. I've got a couple hosting options I'm looking into with sufficient bandwidth. It should be available in a couple of days. Jeff VR ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Antenna Simulation
Hello! Try xnec2c by Neoklis (Nick) 5B4AZ: http://5b4az.chronos.org.uk/pages/nec2.html Wojciech Kazubski Hi, I'm searching for a graphical editor for antennas that produces input files for NEC (for those that don't know NEC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerical_Electromagnetics_Code). So it doesn't have to be a special antenna construction program, it just has to put out files in NEC format. I tried to run 4nec2 with wine under linux, but its so slow in the geometry editor that its not usable. Any ideas? Greetings, Stefan ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: DJ's back
It actually hits me why the English don't write Metres when they write litres, but that's probably me being ignorant. Hey, don't expect us to be consistent - that would take all the fun out of it. We measure beer in pints, farm land in acres, road distances in miles and petrol in litres. Meanwhile the kids only learn metric in school (which gives us oldies a small advantage). -- Peter Baxendale [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: DJ's back
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:02:25 +0100 Peter Baxendale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It actually hits me why the English don't write Metres when they write litres, but that's probably me being ignorant. Hey, don't expect us to be consistent - that would take all the fun out of it. We measure beer in pints, farm land in acres, road distances in miles and petrol in litres. Meanwhile the kids only learn metric in school (which gives us oldies a small advantage). In the construction industry here in Cananda things are more screwed up. 4'x8'x18mm plywood. :? -Marc ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
RE: gEDA-user: DJ's back
Bicycle parts are just as mixed: a headset sized at 1-1/8 inch might be installed with an 8mm allen wrench, and hold 26mm diameter handle bars. The standard pedal thread size is 9/16, but again uses a metric wrench to install. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc Moreau Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:15 AM To: geda-user@moria.seul.org Subject: Re: gEDA-user: DJ's back On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:02:25 +0100 Peter Baxendale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It actually hits me why the English don't write Metres when they write litres, but that's probably me being ignorant. Hey, don't expect us to be consistent - that would take all the fun out of it. We measure beer in pints, farm land in acres, road distances in miles and petrol in litres. Meanwhile the kids only learn metric in school (which gives us oldies a small advantage). In the construction industry here in Cananda things are more screwed up. 4'x8'x18mm plywood. :? -Marc ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: refdes and footprint not automatic from sym to sch
Hello, I created various symbols and saved them in the .sym file format with the name-1.sym convention. They were created having 4 attributes: refdes, footprint, description and device. When I place the components in a brand new design.sch file, for HALF of them, the footprint and refdes dissapear and I must add them manually. I can't figure out why. Did anyone ever have this problem? How do I fix it? Thanks, Frank -- Transistor Toaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Dead link in geda website
Hi, The link to Bill Wilson's tutorial in http://www.geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:faq-gsch2pcbv is dead. It points to http://www.geda.seul.org/docs/current/tutorials/gsch2pcb/tutorial.html which is no longer available. Frank -- Transistor Toaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: refdes and footprint not automatic from sym to sch
On 4/19/07, Transistor Toaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I created various symbols and saved them in the .sym file format with the name-1.sym convention. They were created having 4 attributes: refdes, footprint, description and device. When I place the components in a brand new design.sch file, for HALF of them, the footprint and refdes dissapear and I must add them manually. I can't figure out why. Did anyone ever have this problem? How do I fix it? Check to see if attribute-promotion is enabled. It should be in your system-gschemrc file --- ; attribute-promotion string ; ; This keyword controls if attribute promotion occurs when you instanciate a ; component. Attribute promotion basically means that any floating attribute ; (unattached) which is inside a symbol gets promoted or attached to the ; newly inserted component. This only occurs when the component is ; instanciated. (attribute-promotion enabled) (* jcl *) -- http://www.luciani.org ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: refdes and footprint not automatic from sym to sch
John, It is already enabled in system-gschemrc. (attribute-promotion enabled) I am getting a somwehat additional error. I put all the refdes and footprint attributes manually, pass through refdes_renum and when I do gsch2pcb I get a single: could no find refdes on component and could not find any special attributes! followed by a ton of: stdin:27: m4: Bad expression in eval: /4 My setup is a Knoppix live CD. My schematic is frank/geda_pcb/cti.sch, my symbol components are in frank/gEDAfrank, Any ideas? I list my config files that I created in the design file directory. (The .log files confirm that they are read). I did not create a PCB file or .inc file yet. Thanks, Frank gafrc file -- schematics /mnt/sda2/frank/geda_pcb/cti/cti.sch elements-dir /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank components-dir /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank (component-library /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank) output-name cti500a ctibak : project file for gsch2pcb -- schematics /mnt/sda2/frank/geda_pcb/cti/cti.sch elements-dir /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank components-dir /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank/ output-name cti gnetlistrc (component-library /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank) gschemrc --- (component-library /mnt/sda2/frankeory/gEDAfrank) (attribute-promotion enabled)I just added it now, but it was already in the system-gschemrc On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:25:21 -0400, John Luciani [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 4/19/07, Transistor Toaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I created various symbols and saved them in the .sym file format with the name-1.sym convention. They were created having 4 attributes: refdes, footprint, description and device. When I place the components in a brand new design.sch file, for HALF of them, the footprint and refdes dissapear and I must add them manually. I can't figure out why. Did anyone ever have this problem? How do I fix it? Check to see if attribute-promotion is enabled. It should be in your system-gschemrc file --- ; attribute-promotion string ; ; This keyword controls if attribute promotion occurs when you instanciate a ; component. Attribute promotion basically means that any floating attribute ; (unattached) which is inside a symbol gets promoted or attached to the ; newly inserted component. This only occurs when the component is ; instanciated. (attribute-promotion enabled) (* jcl *) -- http://www.luciani.org ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- Transistor Toaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Dead link in geda website
I presume that this Google cached version is the same? http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:JWBovQZh2joJ:www.geda.seul.org/docs/current/tutorials/gsch2pcb/tutorial.html+bill+wilson+gsch2pcb+tutorial+gedahl=enct=clnkcd=1gl=ca Frank On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:08:55 -0400, Transistor Toaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi, The link to Bill Wilson's tutorial in http://www.geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:faq-gsch2pcbv is dead. It points to http://www.geda.seul.org/docs/current/tutorials/gsch2pcb/tutorial.html which is no longer available. Frank -- Transistor Toaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- Transistor Toaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: refdes and footprint not automatic from sym to sch
Hi Frank, On Thursday 19 April 2007 18:07, Transistor Toaster wrote: I created various symbols and saved them in the .sym file format with the name-1.sym convention. They were created having 4 attributes: refdes, footprint, description and device. When I place the components in a brand new design.sch file, for HALF of them, the footprint and refdes dissapear and I must add them manually. I can't figure out why. Did anyone ever have this problem? How do I fix it? Please add one of your symbols to the mainling list. It's much easier to help you then. Regards Werner ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Antenna Simulation
Wojciech Kazubski wrote: Hello! Try xnec2c by Neoklis (Nick) 5B4AZ: http://5b4az.chronos.org.uk/pages/nec2.html Wojciech Kazubski Ah, nice program. It is not exactly what I've wanted, but its a huge improvement compared to a simple texteditor. For those who want to use it, I recommend to do a export LC_NUMERIC=C before starting the program. I wondered first why a yagi had a radiation pattern like a star ;-) but then I remembered that in earlier versions of the program gpsview it showed me the wrong position on the map, and that was in cause of we use in germany a , instead of a . as decimal seperator. With LC_NUMERIC you change this to use a . as a decimal seperator for the time you run the program. xnec2c has the same bug. Thanks Wojciech! Greetings, Stefan ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: refdes and footprint not automatic from sym to sch
Werner,
Thanks for your reply. All right, here's one of my symbols that does not
have the automatic refdes and footprint. It is for the 24lc256 serial
eepromn:
Frank
v 20050313 1
B 200 500 1200 1200 3 0 0 0 -1 -1 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
{
T 200 1900 5 10 1 1 0 0 1
refdes=U?
T 200 1700 5 10 1 0 0 0 1
footprint=SO8W
}
P 0 1300 200 1300 1 0 0
{
T 0 1300 5 10 1 1 0 0 1
pinnumber=1
T 0 1300 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinlabel=1
T 0 1300 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pintype=in
T 0 1300 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinseq=1
}
P 0 1100 200 1100 1 0 0
{
T 0 1100 5 10 1 1 0 0 1
pinnumber=2
T 0 1100 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinlabel=2
T 0 1100 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinseq=2
T 0 1100 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pintype=in
}
P 0 900 200 900 1 0 0
{
T 0 900 5 10 1 1 0 0 1
pinnumber=3
T 0 900 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinlabel=3
T 0 900 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pintype=in
T 0 900 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinseq=3
}
P 0 700 200 700 1 0 0
{
T 0 700 5 10 1 1 0 0 1
pinnumber=4
T 0 700 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinlabel=4
T 0 700 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pintype=pwr
T 0 700 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinseq=4
}
T 200 1300 9 10 1 0 0 1 1
a0
T 200 1100 9 10 1 0 0 1 1
a1
T 200 900 9 10 1 0 0 1 1
a2
T 200 700 9 10 1 0 0 1 1
vss
T 1000 1300 9 10 1 0 0 1 1
vcc
T 1000 1100 9 10 1 0 0 1 1
wp
T 1000 900 9 10 1 0 0 1 1
scl
T 1000 700 9 10 1 0 0 1 1
sda
P 1600 700 1400 700 1 0 0
{
T 1600 700 5 10 1 1 0 0 1
pinnumber=5
T 1600 700 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinlabel=5
T 1600 700 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pintype=in
T 1600 700 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinseq=5
}
P 1600 900 1400 900 1 0 0
{
T 1600 900 5 10 1 1 0 0 1
pinnumber=6
T 1600 900 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinlabel=6
T 1600 900 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinseq=6
T 1600 900 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pintype=in
}
P 1600 1100 1400 1100 1 0 0
{
T 1600 1100 5 10 1 1 0 0 1
pinnumber=7
T 1600 1100 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinlabel=7
T 1600 1100 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinseq=7
T 1600 1100 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pintype=in
}
P 1600 1300 1400 1300 1 0 0
{
T 1600 1300 5 10 1 1 0 0 1
pinnumber=8
T 1600 1300 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinlabel=8
T 1600 1300 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinseq=8
T 1600 1300 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pintype=pwr
}
T 0 1500 8 10 1 0 0 0 1
device=24lc256
T 300 1400 8 10 1 1 0 0 1
description=serial eeprom
v 20050313 1
B 200 500 1200 1200 3 0 0 0 -1 -1 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
{
T 200 1900 5 10 1 1 0 0 1
refdes=U?
T 200 1700 5 10 1 0 0 0 1
footprint=SO8W
}
P 0 1300 200 1300 1 0 0
{
T 0 1300 5 10 1 1 0 0 1
pinnumber=1
T 0 1300 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinlabel=1
T 0 1300 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pintype=in
T 0 1300 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinseq=1
}
P 0 1100 200 1100 1 0 0
{
T 0 1100 5 10 1 1 0 0 1
pinnumber=2
T 0 1100 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinlabel=2
T 0 1100 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinseq=2
T 0 1100 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pintype=in
}
P 0 900 200 900 1 0 0
{
T 0 900 5 10 1 1 0 0 1
pinnumber=3
T 0 900 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinlabel=3
T 0 900 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pintype=in
T 0 900 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinseq=3
}
P 0 700 200 700 1 0 0
{
T 0 700 5 10 1 1 0 0 1
pinnumber=4
T 0 700 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinlabel=4
T 0 700 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pintype=pwr
T 0 700 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinseq=4
}
T 200 1300 9 10 1 0 0 1 1
a0
T 200 1100 9 10 1 0 0 1 1
a1
T 200 900 9 10 1 0 0 1 1
a2
T 200 700 9 10 1 0 0 1 1
vss
T 1000 1300 9 10 1 0 0 1 1
vcc
T 1000 1100 9 10 1 0 0 1 1
wp
T 1000 900 9 10 1 0 0 1 1
scl
T 1000 700 9 10 1 0 0 1 1
sda
P 1600 700 1400 700 1 0 0
{
T 1600 700 5 10 1 1 0 0 1
pinnumber=5
T 1600 700 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinlabel=5
T 1600 700 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pintype=in
T 1600 700 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinseq=5
}
P 1600 900 1400 900 1 0 0
{
T 1600 900 5 10 1 1 0 0 1
pinnumber=6
T 1600 900 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinlabel=6
T 1600 900 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinseq=6
T 1600 900 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pintype=in
}
P 1600 1100 1400 1100 1 0 0
{
T 1600 1100 5 10 1 1 0 0 1
pinnumber=7
T 1600 1100 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinlabel=7
T 1600 1100 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinseq=7
T 1600 1100 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pintype=in
}
P 1600 1300 1400 1300 1 0 0
{
T 1600 1300 5 10 1 1 0 0 1
pinnumber=8
T 1600 1300 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinlabel=8
T 1600 1300 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinseq=8
T 1600 1300 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pintype=pwr
}
T 0 1500 8 10 1 0 0 0 1
device=24lc256
T 300 1400 8 10 1 1 0 0 1
description=serial eeprom
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:07:05 +0200, Werner Hoch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
Hi Frank,
On Thursday 19 April 2007 18:07, Transistor Toaster wrote:
I created various symbols and saved them in the .sym file format with
the name-1.sym convention. They were created having 4 attributes:
refdes, footprint, description and device. When I place the
components in a brand new design.sch file, for HALF of them, the
footprint and refdes dissapear and I must add them manually. I can't
figure out why. Did anyone ever have this problem? How do I fix it?
Please add one of your symbols to the mainling list. It's much easier to
help you then.
Regards
Werner
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Re: gEDA-user: refdes and footprint not automatic from sym to sch
Hi Frank,
On Thursday 19 April 2007 19:10, Transistor Toaster wrote:
Werner,
Thanks for your reply. All right, here's one of my symbols that does
not have the automatic refdes and footprint. It is for the 24lc256
serial eepromn:
Frank
v 20050313 1
B 200 500 1200 1200 3 0 0 0 -1 -1 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
{
T 200 1900 5 10 1 1 0 0 1
refdes=U?
T 200 1700 5 10 1 0 0 0 1
footprint=SO8W
}
The attributes are attached to the Box. But you need toplevel
attributes.
P 0 1300 200 1300 1 0 0
{
T 0 1300 5 10 1 1 0 0 1
pinnumber=1
T 0 1300 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinlabel=1
T 0 1300 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pintype=in
T 0 1300 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinseq=1
}
P 0 1100 200 1100 1 0 0
{
[...]
P 0 1300 200 1300 1 0 0
{
T 0 1300 5 10 1 1 0 0 1
pinnumber=1
T 0 1300 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinlabel=1
T 0 1300 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pintype=in
T 0 1300 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinseq=1
}
And every pin and attribut is there two times.
Please use gsymcheck to check symbols before using them.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/puffer gsymcheck -vv xx.sym
...
ERROR: Found duplicate pinseq=6 attribute in the symbol
ERROR: Found duplicate pinseq=7 attribute in the symbol
ERROR: Found duplicate pinseq=8 attribute in the symbol
ERROR: Found duplicate pinnumber=1 attribute in the symbol
ERROR: Found duplicate pinnumber=2 attribute in the symbol
ERROR: Found duplicate pinnumber=3 attribute in the symbol
ERROR: Found duplicate pinnumber=4 attribute in the symbol
...
ERROR: Found a connection inside a symbol
ERROR: Found a connection inside a symbol
ERROR: Found a connection inside a symbol
...
Regards
Werner
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Re: gEDA-user: refdes and footprint not automatic from sym to sch
v 20050313 1
B 200 500 1200 1200 3 0 0 0 -1 -1 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
{
T 200 1900 5 10 1 1 0 0 1
refdes=U?
T 200 1700 5 10 1 0 0 0 1
footprint=SO8W
}
The attributes are attached to the Box. But you need toplevel
attributes.
Yeah, it looks like Frank is trying to attach attributes to a box,
which is a graphic object, not a component.
Frank, try reading these materials:
GEDA symbol creation guide:
http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:scg
GEDA gschem usage FAQ (contains lots of symbol info):
http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:faq-gschem#gschem_symbols
Stuart
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Re: gEDA-user: refdes and footprint not automatic from sym to sch
Stuart, Werner,
You're both right. I removed the attributes to the box and reassigned
them to the background and that solved that problem. The gsymcheck
utility left only 1 warning: Did not find any numslots= attribute
I still have that other problem in the gsch2pcb
Could not find refdes on component and could not find any special
attributes
stdin:27: m4: Bad expression in eval: /4
but it coulld have something to do with pins that have no connections as
revealed by the gnetlist -g drc2 command.
Where do I find the symbol for no connection in the Add-component
-library- menu?
Frank
And every pin and attribut is there two times.
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:27:48 +0200, Werner Hoch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
Hi Frank,
On Thursday 19 April 2007 19:10, Transistor Toaster wrote:
Werner,
Thanks for your reply. All right, here's one of my symbols that does
not have the automatic refdes and footprint. It is for the 24lc256
serial eepromn:
Frank
v 20050313 1
B 200 500 1200 1200 3 0 0 0 -1 -1 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
{
T 200 1900 5 10 1 1 0 0 1
refdes=U?
T 200 1700 5 10 1 0 0 0 1
footprint=SO8W
}
The attributes are attached to the Box. But you need toplevel
attributes.
P 0 1300 200 1300 1 0 0
{
T 0 1300 5 10 1 1 0 0 1
pinnumber=1
T 0 1300 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinlabel=1
T 0 1300 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pintype=in
T 0 1300 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinseq=1
}
P 0 1100 200 1100 1 0 0
{
[...]
P 0 1300 200 1300 1 0 0
{
T 0 1300 5 10 1 1 0 0 1
pinnumber=1
T 0 1300 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinlabel=1
T 0 1300 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pintype=in
T 0 1300 5 10 0 0 0 0 1
pinseq=1
}
And every pin and attribut is there two times.
Please use gsymcheck to check symbols before using them.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/puffer gsymcheck -vv xx.sym
...
ERROR: Found duplicate pinseq=6 attribute in the symbol
ERROR: Found duplicate pinseq=7 attribute in the symbol
ERROR: Found duplicate pinseq=8 attribute in the symbol
ERROR: Found duplicate pinnumber=1 attribute in the symbol
ERROR: Found duplicate pinnumber=2 attribute in the symbol
ERROR: Found duplicate pinnumber=3 attribute in the symbol
ERROR: Found duplicate pinnumber=4 attribute in the symbol
...
ERROR: Found a connection inside a symbol
ERROR: Found a connection inside a symbol
ERROR: Found a connection inside a symbol
...
Regards
Werner
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Re: gEDA-user: PCB testers needed
What I'd specifically like feedback on are: 1) menus/hotkeys which worked in pcb-20070208 with the gtk HID and are broken now 2) any other wierd behaviour relating to menus or hotkeys that is different from pcb-20070208. 3) does this build with gtk = 2.8.0 and if so, does the Center() action (bound to 'C') work? To 3): I use gtk 2.10.6 on my gentoo system, and it compiles fine and the center option works. But the one litte bug (or feature?) I found is after you centered the point under the cursor, the cursor itself is decentered a little bit to upper left. To 1) and 2): I haven't tested all hot-keys, but the one I've tested work fine. Stefan ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: refdes and footprint not automatic from sym to sch
On 4/19/07, Transistor Toaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still have that other problem in the gsch2pcb Could not find refdes on component and could not find any special attributes stdin:27: m4: Bad expression in eval: /4 but it coulld have something to do with pins that have no connections as revealed by the gnetlist -g drc2 command. gsch2pcb should not care if you have pins connected. Do you have a component without a refdes? Sometimes m4 errors occur when you have a mistake in the footprint name. (* jcl *) -- http://www.luciani.org ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: refdes and footprint not automatic from sym to sch
This seems to be an issue which confuses newbies. Confused about gafrc? Yes. I thought gnetlist is run at one point when I use the gsch2pcb utility. gnetlist uses gnetlistrc and gafrc. What I put was originally a gafrc and I added some lines from a gsch2pcb project config file. The gsch2pcb is complaining about possibly unbalanced parantheses, but I thought the syntax required one pair. Could you please edit my gafrc? Thanks, Frank gafrc - schematics /mnt/sda2/frank/geda_pcb/cti/cti.sch NOT NEEDED AT ALL, OR JUST TAKE OUT THE CTI.SCH? elements-dir /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank components-dir /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank (component-library /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank) WHAT DO I DO ABOUT THE PARENTHESES? output-name cti500aNOT NEEDED? On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:56:51 -0400 (EDT), Stuart Brorson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: In include my gafrc file. It probably has too many lines. Could you please cut out the unnecessary ones? Thanks, Frank gafrc - schematics /mnt/sda2/frank/geda_pcb/cti/cti.sch elements-dir /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank components-dir /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank (component-library /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank) output-name cti500a This is not a gafrc file. I belive you are confused about which program needs which config file, and what the config files look like. Here's a summary: gschem, gnetlist, gattrib, etc. Config file = gafrc. It contains scheme directives like this: (component-library /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank) gsch2pcb: Config file = whatever you want to call it. I call mine project.rc. It contains name/value pairs like this: schematics /mnt/sda2/frank/geda_pcb/cti/cti.sch elements-dir /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank components-dir /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank output-name cti500a With these file names, the design flow is: gschem cti.sch gsch2pcb project.rc pcb cti500a.pcb Stuart p.s. Note to developers: Perhaps we should spend some time at the code sprint fixing gsch2pcb so that it uses the gafrc rather than its own config file. This seems to be an issue which confuses newbies. Since we're gonna make gsch2pcb export PCB commands (a major change), now is a good time to implement this type of improvement also. I'd be happy to take a stab at it. Just MHO. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- Transistor Toaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: refdes and footprint not automatic from sym to sch
You need to have two RC files: gafrc and projectrc. Here are their contents: gafrc (leave the parens in): (component-library /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank) projectrc (gsch2pcb RC file): schematics /mnt/sda2/frank/geda_pcb/cti/cti.sch elements-dir /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank components-dir /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank output-name cti500a HTH, Stuart On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Transistor Toaster wrote: This seems to be an issue which confuses newbies. Confused about gafrc? Yes. I thought gnetlist is run at one point when I use the gsch2pcb utility. gnetlist uses gnetlistrc and gafrc. What I put was originally a gafrc and I added some lines from a gsch2pcb project config file. The gsch2pcb is complaining about possibly unbalanced parantheses, but I thought the syntax required one pair. Could you please edit my gafrc? Thanks, Frank gafrc - schematics /mnt/sda2/frank/geda_pcb/cti/cti.sch NOT NEEDED AT ALL, OR JUST TAKE OUT THE CTI.SCH? elements-dir /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank components-dir /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank (component-library /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank) WHAT DO I DO ABOUT THE PARENTHESES? output-name cti500aNOT NEEDED? On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:56:51 -0400 (EDT), Stuart Brorson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: In include my gafrc file. It probably has too many lines. Could you please cut out the unnecessary ones? Thanks, Frank gafrc - schematics /mnt/sda2/frank/geda_pcb/cti/cti.sch elements-dir /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank components-dir /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank (component-library /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank) output-name cti500a This is not a gafrc file. I belive you are confused about which program needs which config file, and what the config files look like. Here's a summary: gschem, gnetlist, gattrib, etc. Config file = gafrc. It contains scheme directives like this: (component-library /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank) gsch2pcb: Config file = whatever you want to call it. I call mine project.rc. It contains name/value pairs like this: schematics /mnt/sda2/frank/geda_pcb/cti/cti.sch elements-dir /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank components-dir /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank output-name cti500a With these file names, the design flow is: gschem cti.sch gsch2pcb project.rc pcb cti500a.pcb Stuart p.s. Note to developers: Perhaps we should spend some time at the code sprint fixing gsch2pcb so that it uses the gafrc rather than its own config file. This seems to be an issue which confuses newbies. Since we're gonna make gsch2pcb export PCB commands (a major change), now is a good time to implement this type of improvement also. I'd be happy to take a stab at it. Just MHO. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- Transistor Toaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: refdes and footprint not automatic from sym to sch
Stuart, Thanks, almost there. I will spend time on the net errors. HTH=Happy to help? Frank On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:26:24 -0400 (EDT), Stuart Brorson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You need to have two RC files: gafrc and projectrc. Here are their contents: gafrc (leave the parens in): (component-library /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank) projectrc (gsch2pcb RC file): schematics /mnt/sda2/frank/geda_pcb/cti/cti.sch elements-dir /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank components-dir /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank output-name cti500a HTH, Stuart On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Transistor Toaster wrote: This seems to be an issue which confuses newbies. Confused about gafrc? Yes. I thought gnetlist is run at one point when I use the gsch2pcb utility. gnetlist uses gnetlistrc and gafrc. What I put was originally a gafrc and I added some lines from a gsch2pcb project config file. The gsch2pcb is complaining about possibly unbalanced parantheses, but I thought the syntax required one pair. Could you please edit my gafrc? Thanks, Frank gafrc - schematics /mnt/sda2/frank/geda_pcb/cti/cti.sch NOT NEEDED AT ALL, OR JUST TAKE OUT THE CTI.SCH? elements-dir /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank components-dir /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank (component-library /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank) WHAT DO I DO ABOUT THE PARENTHESES? output-name cti500aNOT NEEDED? On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:56:51 -0400 (EDT), Stuart Brorson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: In include my gafrc file. It probably has too many lines. Could you please cut out the unnecessary ones? Thanks, Frank gafrc - schematics /mnt/sda2/frank/geda_pcb/cti/cti.sch elements-dir /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank components-dir /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank (component-library /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank) output-name cti500a This is not a gafrc file. I belive you are confused about which program needs which config file, and what the config files look like. Here's a summary: gschem, gnetlist, gattrib, etc. Config file = gafrc. It contains scheme directives like this: (component-library /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank) gsch2pcb: Config file = whatever you want to call it. I call mine project.rc. It contains name/value pairs like this: schematics /mnt/sda2/frank/geda_pcb/cti/cti.sch elements-dir /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank components-dir /mnt/sda2/frank/gEDAfrank output-name cti500a With these file names, the design flow is: gschem cti.sch gsch2pcb project.rc pcb cti500a.pcb Stuart p.s. Note to developers: Perhaps we should spend some time at the code sprint fixing gsch2pcb so that it uses the gafrc rather than its own config file. This seems to be an issue which confuses newbies. Since we're gonna make gsch2pcb export PCB commands (a major change), now is a good time to implement this type of improvement also. I'd be happy to take a stab at it. Just MHO. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- Transistor Toaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user -- Transistor Toaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Antenna Simulation
Am I getting all the bad luck? First I couldn't get into DJ's site, Not getting into my site wasn't *your* bad luck! Worst luck I've heard of so far - river washed away one family's whole yard, leaving their septic system fully exposed. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Antenna Simulation
John Coppens schrieb: On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:51:02 +0200 Wojciech Kazubski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! Try xnec2c by Neoklis (Nick) 5B4AZ: http://5b4az.chronos.org.uk/pages/nec2.html Wojciech Kazubski Am I getting all the bad luck? First I couldn't get into DJ's site, now chronos.org.uk seems to be down. Ping works, but no http:// access. Anyone can open the page? John I have no problem at accessing the site. Stefan ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Antenna Simulation
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:09:58 -0400 DJ Delorie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not getting into my site wasn't *your* bad luck! Yes... Of course I should've chosen my words a bit more carefully. My apologies! John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCB testers needed
Stefan Dröge wrote: What I'd specifically like feedback on are: 1) menus/hotkeys which worked in pcb-20070208 with the gtk HID and are broken now 2) any other wierd behaviour relating to menus or hotkeys that is different from pcb-20070208. 3) does this build with gtk = 2.8.0 and if so, does the Center() action (bound to 'C') work? To 3): I use gtk 2.10.6 on my gentoo system, and it compiles fine and the center option works. But the one litte bug (or feature?) I found is after you centered the point under the cursor, the cursor itself is decentered a little bit to upper left. should be fixed now. -Dan ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Antenna Simulation
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:27:29 +0200 Stefan Dröge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no problem at accessing the site. Stefan Thanks Stefan. I accessed the site through an anonymizer and had no problem. Probably some countries are blocked at that server. John ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: New problem with spice-sdb
This isn't good! Can you please post (or e-mail) a sample schematic (not a full one) showing the disease you are reporting? Also report what you think the SPICE netlist *should* look like. I can look at it during the code sprint on Saturday. Now, I'm including a couple of model files (using file= attributes) that Ummm, the attribute you want is file-name=. What happens when you replace file= with file-name=? Thanks, Stuart On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, John Doty wrote: I recently upgraded gEDA on my Mac to 20070216-10 with Fink. I am now having a problem with my spice netlists: subcircuit refedeses like X1 are mutating into UX1! Other strangeness: jpd% gnetlist -g spice-sdb -o LVDfoo.cir -I LVDfoo.sch Command line passed = gnetlist -g spice-sdb -o LVDfoo.cir -I LVDfoo.sch gEDA/gnetlist version 20070216 ... usual boilerplate ... Using SPICE backend by SDB -- Version of 2.10.2007 schematic-type = normal schematic In get-file-type, first-char = . In get-file-type, first-char = . Now, I'm including a couple of model files (using file= attributes) that indeed start with a .model statement. Is that what the get-file-type message is about? If I replace the model files with empty files, the get-file-type messages go away and the refdes mutation stops happening! What's going on here? Why with -I is it looking at the files at all? John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Dead link in geda website
The link to Bill Wilson's tutorial in http://www.geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:faq-gsch2pcbv is dead. It points to http://www.geda.seul.org/docs/current/tutorials/gsch2pcb/tutorial.html which is no longer available. Yeah, I broke this. Fixed now. At some point, I would really like to get this tutorial into the wiki and then all the docs will be in the wiki. Any volunteers? -Ales ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: New problem with spice-sdb
On Apr 19, 2007, at 8:06 PM, Stuart Brorson wrote: Now, I'm including a couple of model files (using file= attributes) that Ummm, the attribute you want is file-name=. What happens when you replace file= with file-name=? In the symbol file, there is a file= attribute specifying a macromodel file to include. If I replace it with file-name= the strange mutation stops, but I also don't get the file included. I also use spice-include-1.sym from the spice component library. It has file= not file-name= . John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: PCBs using desktop inkjet
When will gEDA start providing support for printed circuits? :) Tarun Modified ink printer churns out electronic circuits * 18:24 18 April 2007 * NewScientist.com news service * Tom Simonite A desktop printer loaded with a silver salt solution and vitamin C has been used to produce electronic circuits. The UK researchers behind the feat say their experimental device could pave the way for safer and cheaper electronics manufacturing. Being able to print out electronic components and whole circuit boards could provide an alternative to current manufacturing techniques, which are energy intensive and environmentally unfriendly. Printing conductive polymer ink (see Goodbye wires and silicon, hello plastic chips), or pastes containing graphite or metal particles are two existing options. But researchers at Leeds University in the UK wanted to avoid the solvents needed for these processes. PhD student Seyed Bidoki loaded a standard Hewlett Packard ink-jet printer with a solution of metal salts and water. After a pattern is printed using the solution, a chemical known as a reducing agent is then printed over the top to make solid silver form. We wanted to be able to use a totally water-soluble base, explains team member and chemist Matthew Clark. That allows for much more environmentally friendly processes. Metal ink Bidoki loaded two separate chambers in the printer's cartridge, which normally contain different ink, with the metal solution and the reducing agent. Using silver nitrate solution as the metal ink and ascorbic acid (vitamin C) as the reducing agent proved the most successful combination. He then programmed the printer to produce a variety of circuits and radio antennas on different surfaces including paper, cotton and acetate, all of which were placed in the printer like a normal sheet of paper. One test involved patterning an antenna like that used in a mobile phone on transparent film, says Clark. It was possible to bend it almost in half without any loss of conductivity. After a circuit is printed using silver nitrate, vitamin C is overlaid a few minutes later. Water can then be used to wash away other products, leaving the silver behind. Scanning electron microscope images reveal a rough surface of silver nanoparticles. Join the dots Printing the same pattern two or three times improves conductivity because it increases the number of contacts between silver nanoparticles. Desktop printers make images from tiny dots of ink that do not overlap, but bleed slightly into each other, explains Clark: In future, we'd like to use an industrial jet printer that can so we'll need fewer passes. Graham Martin at the University of Cambridge, UK, agrees that ink-jet technology could make new kinds of devices possible. But he says competing with existing technology could be difficult: This concept are often simple but there are many challenges to meet. Creating a low enough resistance to match current standards is one of them. But ink-jet printing definitely has a future, he adds. Currently, circuit boards and other components are made by etching the desired design out from a layer of metal, which is an energy intensive process. Printing is an additive, not subtractive process, making it more environmentally effective, says Martin. Journal reference: Journal of Micromechanics and Microengineering (DOI:10.1088/0960-1317/17/5/017) http://www.newscientisttech.com/article/dn11632?DCMP=NLC-nletternsref=dn11632 -- attachment: InkjetPCBs.jpg ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: PCBs using desktop inkjet
C P Tarun wrote: When will gEDA start providing support for printed circuits? :) Tarun Modified ink printer churns out electronic circuits * 18:24 18 April 2007 * NewScientist.com news service * Tom Simonite A desktop printer loaded with a silver salt solution and vitamin C has been used to produce electronic circuits. The UK researchers behind the feat say their experimental device could pave the way for safer and cheaper electronics manufacturing. Hmmm I guess we will be forced to go 100% surface mount, unless they can figure out a way to print holes. -dave ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
